Why is he so hated?

>>28589636
Bara furbait

>>28589636
It's just been done before.
It's not fresh or new.

>>28589636
Because is fucking fake.

Ham hands and sausage fingers.

why are you so retarded,OP?
hes not confirmed thats why

>M-MUH QUADRUPED FIRE STARTER

I'd only hate it if it became Fire/Fighting, I really like Fire/Dark based on "it fights dirty"

because it's a bird

>>28589636
NO ONE WANTED ANOTHER DAMN FIRE/FIGHTING. I DON'T CARE IF IT'S ANOTHER TYPE, IT'S THE PRINCIPLE OF THE MATTER. EVEN THE IDEA IS ABOMINABLE.

Because he makes /vp/ feel insecure about themselves.

>>28589636
Cuz humans sucks.

>>28589636
I like it.
The only problems are its hands looking a bit wonky and its possible typing.

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>>28589711

>>28589636
Because it looks like Fire/Fighting and everyone sick of that shit already.

I just dont like the design, looks a bit too much like something i'd see in tom & jerry back in the day i guess

>>28589636
LET ME TELL YOU SOMETHING

>>28589636
2nd furry Fire starter in a row. 5th humanoid Fire starter in a row. And possibly the 4th Fire/Fighting starter.

This stuff doesn't really bother me anymore. The only thing about Litten3 that I hate now are its hands. They look super awkward and no fanart has done them justice.

>>28589636
I don't like it because of litten's description:
>Logical but also passionate, Litten always remains coolheaded and doesn't show its emotions on the surface.
While some might argue the progression from logical and stoic to heel wrestler makes sense, it doesn't to me, no matter what angle I see it from.

I don't care about the "muh quadrupedal" or "muh fire/fighting" shit that everybody else complains about, but I would like them to keep the logical and coolheaded consistent if they're going to describe one of their starters with it, otherwise don't use it and throw it all out to the window in the final form.

Design-wise tho, I don't really even hate it, to my surprise, and I get more used to it every day. Maybe the fingers and the belt are the 2 most over the top elements that I can name, but other than that it isn't THAT bad IMO, is more about how they carried their design choices. At least for me.

>>28589686
wait what

>>28589656
Mallow

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>>28589636
because only degenerates like him

thankfully, after Sharia Law finally overtakes the west, all of them will be tossed off skyscrapers like they deserve.

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>>28589636
Muh quadrupeds.

>>28589853
Irrelevant. That could easily be a generic hawaiian girl.

>>28589636
but its so fucking horrible, i hate it, its more ugly than emboar

>>28589853
mallow is fake you fucking retard

>>28589874
Seriously? Now THAT is deluded thinking.

>>28589686
Yep, that's it. This x 6384


But seriously. Because he's furry barabait and has a high chance of being fire/fighting.

Bipedal fire/fighting looking thing.

I liked emboar more.

>>28589874
>muh generic Hawaiian girl
>with the same hair, outfit, and motif as Mallow

Denialfag

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because it's a fakemon that's been spammed every single hour of the day for the past few months? no shit people don't like it. fuck off back to DA furfag

>>28589636
Because you're supposed to hate a heel wrestler.

>>28589636
It's ugly as sin

>>28589939
See
>>28589853

Because it looks like it hangs out with Blaziken, Infernape and Emboar every day.

>>28589636
I hate it because I'm not gay.

>>28589636
because nobody likes fakemons

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>>28589995
Who said you were?

>>28590028
>le projecting meme
kys

>>28589647
>if I repeat this over and over maybe someone will think that this is a legit argument

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They're real.
Get used to it.

>>28589893
>>28589920
the leak was revealing mallow, not starter evos.

also, it definitely could be a generic hawaiian girl

>>28590044
found the underage dutygenerate.

>>28590059
This has to be a troll

>>28590028
It's literally bara furbait, GF is pandering to LITERAL homosexuals.

>>28590028
that's not how projecting works. he was saying you have to be gay to like it.

>>28590077
dubs confirms

>>28589636
I hate it because it looks underdeveloped. I mean, look at the way it's drawn. Does that look like a Pokemon to be taken seriously?

Hell, I'm not even a denial fag.

>>28590072
really? leakfags are the ones who need to stop trolling. I can't wait for the evos to be revealed

>>28589647
Are you that insecure with your sexuality that a muscled pokemon must instantly be derided as "bara"?

>>28590113
>Does that look like a Pokemon to be taken seriously?

It's a fucking heel pro wrestler. Taking it seriously isn't exactly high on its priority list

>>28590077
Yeah because it's not like kids like wrestling or anything

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>Look its hand, GF would never draw such ugly hands, its fake guys!!!!11

>>28589874
And the one on her side is not ash its justca generic shitty trainer

>>28590141
>projecting this hard

>>28590164
At least its hands are smaller than its head

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Stay mad delusional denialfags.

>>28590339
mallow is a generic hawaiian girl so it's only natural she would look similar to a generic hawaiian girl.

or the leaker saw mallow's design and used it to make his fakemons seem more legit. I can't wait until you delusional leakfags get btfo

>>28590501
>le ebin only Mallow is real
>le ebin someone took the time to make fakes

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>>28590501
You know when these guys get confirmed you're going to be one of those faggots making a thread and throwing a huge hissyfit, right?

>>28590072
Nigga, all denial fags are baiters. Stop feeding them.

>>28590596
>I have now transcended bait. All is bait. Worship.

>>28590057
Doesn't mean it isn't shit

>>28589656
If anything Luchalitten has a higher chance of being real because Mallow than the other 2

It's the same shit as always. We haven't had a likable Fire starter Pokemon since Gen 2.

Probably because it has a worse design than Emboar, or any other starter we've seen.
It's basically a guy wearing a cat mascot costume.

>>28590141
Yes

I wish I had one in real life. It'd be the best cuddly bro like Emboar.

>>28590752
This.
It's not that the design is bad, it's just following a trend the Fire starters have been following since Gen 3.

>>28589636
Because it's the worst possible evolution they could have come up for Litten

>>28589874

This meme still hasn't died yet it seems

>>28590752
Original =/= likeable. Also
>liking Typhlosion
>not liking Infernape

>>28590970
nah, it's top tier.

Worst case was a super edgy shadow the hedgehog design. You know as well as I that's too plausible.

>>28591037
Typhlosion needs some work on his moveset and stats but his design is among the strongest in the franchise.

Infernape might be pretty solid competitively but it's definitely one of the ugliest designs in the franchise. Not as bad as Blaziken, one of the absolute worst, but still pretty terrible.

>>28590799
Luchalitten is still better than Chesnaught though, we can all agree on that.

>>28591101
Eh, they're in the same ballpark.

Because this kind of design is overused as fuck. It's ugly as shit too.
Plus almost everyone wants a fire starter that isn't fucking bipedal for once.

>>28589867
You do realize this image defeats its own purpose? Literally all fake quadruped starters look 100 times better than that. You're like the retarded "reminder to be grateful" faggot.

I much prefer even the shittiest itjustgetsbigger over baracancer anyway.

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>>28590752
I think you could easily like one of the last 5, but as a whole its not varied enough.
I can see why delphox had to be humanoid (ninetales already has the animal version of kitsune on lock), but I don't understand why it had to be feminine only (argument also applies to chesnaught being too stereotypically male).
Emboar could have been a warthog.
I think infernape works for its purpose (but infernape is my one of the four).
Blaziken can't be faulted on the trend since it existed befor it became a trend. Looks dumb tho.

>>28591134
*Almost every autistic human being who gives this shit way too much thought

I know I'm fine with a heel tiger, and everyone I know is fine with it too. Take a step away from /vp/ once in a while.

>>28591181
If the split evos theory is real, I think that Luchalitten's other form could easily be diva themed.

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>>28589647

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>>28591159
That's the thing, Blaziken and Infernape I think are hideous. But I get it, I do.

Emboar though was too far. Three fire/fighting starters in a row, and just copying the same design concept again. I was so excited for a fire boar and could not have been let down more.

I like Luchatigre
No I am not a furry

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>>28591088
God damn, that's some shit taste.

>>28589695
Triggered

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>>28591263
I vowed never to get hyped for another fire starter after Emboar. They can't keep getting away with it.

>>28589636
I don't hate it...Tho it'd be humorous to see a "lank" version of it like the moon wolf.

>>28590057
>I can't read

>>28591088
What about Typhlosion makes it one of the best in the franchise? For me it's the most forgettable starter in existance

>>28590555
>>28590588
nope it's true though. I'm right. you'll be the ones throwing poopyfits

>>28591088
>not liking blaziken
>quilava standing up is one of the strongest designs

>>28589636
Looks like that fucking cat beast thing from Ben 10.

>>28589636
Because Money.

>>28590799
No that's bewear

>>28589636

It's LITERALLY the thing everybody hoped Litten would not evolve into the moment everybody saw Litten. It's literally the worst possible final evo we could get

>>28591386
It stands out and is immediately identifiable while still having a simple design, even by just its silhouette. That alone puts it in the upper echelons of the franchise. It's also just generally unique and fearsome. A flaming honey badger, shit man what's not to like?

Compared to the ugly, over-designed messes of fire starters to come after it Typhlosion is a treasure.

>>28589636
I wanted a cool looking panther, not Tony the Tiger.

I'm tired of fire starters turning into humanoids. Fennekin was awesome oh wait nevermind it immediately stands upright and turns into a creeper.

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>>28589636
>Blaziken
>awesome because it was new and interesting
>Infernape
>only accepted because of the background lore it inherited
>Emboar
>hated because this Fire/Fighting bipedal trend isn't stopping
>Delphox
>only accepted because it's not Fire/Fighting
>Luchalitten
>people aren't as willing to accept a Fire/Dark type for this bullshit Fire/Fighting wannabe

Summed it up for you.

>>28591599
>Blaziken
>Awesome

I've hated that thing since day one. Everything I hate about modern Pokemon designs. The first Lucario. True shit.

>>28591599
I agree with the other poster. I always thought blaziken looked utterly retarded. I do like infrnape though. I also never accepted Delphox. Fennekin should never have stood up.

>>28591591
But even litten looks like a tiger, why would it become a fucking panther?

>>28591589
The only reason why you'd remember it is because it's a starter and it's old. Without that it would just be the Rapidash/Heatmor of gen 2. Typhlosion is pretty ugly by itself desu and if it wasn't a starter it wouldn't be nearly as identifiable

>>28589636
Most likely another fire/fighting type.

I ain't got no problem with bipedal Pokemon. I just can't stand promising quadrupedal Pokemon that get changed and ruined halfway through.

>>28589636
Because it looks awful and ruined Litten.

>>28591745
>Without that it would just be the Rapidash of gen 2.
So one of the best designs then?

Heatmor is a bit over cluttered but its real issue was just representation. Too uncommon in its own gen for its own good.

>>28591759
Why are you autists so obsessed with how many fucking legs a creature is on. Jesus fucking christ this is getting to cringe worthy levels.

>>28591049
Fuck off, even an edgy evolution would've been better the furry garbage we got.

>>28589636
While its look is mostly why, generally no Starter final evolution has ever been liked upon its reveal like ever. People have high ass expectations and unrealistic ideas about what the starters will become. If it wasn't literally a tiger or manticore and even then, not the one the envisioned it'd be, people would be upset.

>>28591824
something something fire type starters are the only starters where all of them stand on 2 feet for their final evos

>>28589636
Because he's probably Fire/Fighting and once again became a bipedal creature.

It's the same reasoning behind Emboar's hate. The design itself is fine, but people are tired of every Fire starter basically becoming variants of the same thing.

>>28589636
It's bad It can be real

>>28591824
Bipedal and quadrupeds should be kept apart, I ain't got problem either but they should be separate but equal. None of this race mixing shit.

But in all seriousness I just want variety. I don't care for the over abundance of bipeds, there are just too many. There aren't enough quads and whenever it looks like there is going to be a promising new one it gets snatched away to biped camp. It's not so wrong to just want some variety.

>>28591834
>edgy fur shit
>not the epitome of furry garbage
>better than a fun design, full of personality and charm

Ok, now I know I'm talking to some fur shit who wanted something to wank off ta

>>28589636
These threads are fucking annoying. They should result in a b8

>>28591792
Okay you're clearly baiting. Here's your (You)

>>28591906
No see, this is what I'm talking about.

This is some cringe thread worthy shit your typing.

>>28591943
For you.

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>>28591943
>I think Rapidash is a great design
>BAIT BAIT BAIT!!!!!

Get help.

>>28591938
I assume you mean a b&, because I'd say this is already b8.

>>28591979
No, you're just a faggot who wants the same thing every gen and has no argument to defend his stagnant mentality. How dare people want a little diversity? How dare they.

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here's your evolution quadrupedfags.

>>28592008
I mean Rapidash it an okay design, but even you know you were stretching by saying it's one of the best designs. Also you knew exactly what I meant by saying that it'd be the gen 2 Rapidash, but you tried to turn it around for the sake of your argument. I don't wanna start a fight, I'm just legit curious why you like Typhlosion over stuff like Infernape

>>28589636

Denial.

People at first hated Greninja, and now many at this point have warmed up to it. Same thing will happen with Heeltigre

>>28592178
Too many spikes and colours still. The best designs are simple. Overly detailed designs are for artists who don't know when to stop and lack the skill to make a simple design memorable. That's not just true of Pokemon, that just simple design fact. Hell it's not even just designing, simplicity is almost always better in any scenario.

Management, naming, branding, hell even just talking.

>>28589636
Fire/fighting

Even if it's fire/dark it's slapped onto a design made for fire/fighting

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>>28592223
>but even you know you were stretching by saying it's one of the best designs.
No, I'm not. It's an iconic Pokemon and a great design. It's simple, it's memorable, it's striking and easy to identify. It doesn't have unnecessary details, it doesn't have a mess of colours. Frankly it's perfect.

As to why I like simple, memorable, well designed Pokemon like Rapidash and Typhlosion over shit like Infernape? Well that's simple. Infernape is a cluttered mess of a design. It's drowning in unnecessary details that make it look like it came from a six year old's school book doodles. There's nothing original about it. It's not memorable. It's a fucking mess. Why would I like it?

>>28592289
so houndoom is fighting/fire?

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>>28589636
>He

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For the underage who think that the "overdesigned" criticism is a meme and not a simple fact of bad design practice and practice in life in general. Please shut up.

>>28592595
Autism
Bait
Cunt

>>28592381
Well, I guess we have completely different tastes. For me simple designs are unimaginative, boring, and forgettable. I would take Infernape or Luchalitten over Typhlosion or Rapidash any day. It's just kinda wierd to me because I never saw someone bringing up Typhlosion and Rapidash as good designs. I would still argue that stuff like Greninja is more iconic at this point despite being 'overdesigned'. Also I'm just curious, do you have any favourites past gen 2?

>>28592116
>how dare people want diversity

Nigga, it's pokemon, there isn't a fucking lack of diversity its that your anal about the starters for some unknown reason.

This is like if someone started a fucking protest about how there hasn't been a fucking Olive Green grass starter yet. Some fucking minor asinine detail somehow determines if they're diverse or not, when in reality you could choose ANOTHER FIRE TYPE if you so desired.

>>28592630
It's incontrovertible fact. You're simply wrong, over-designed is an extremely valid criticism of modern Pokemon, especially Gen 4. I'm sorry that your childish ADHD riddled mind finds great designs boring and that you find cluttered messes of shit cool.

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To be honest, I imagine it'll be a lot like Samurott in that the artwork doesn't really explain some of its aspects that well.

It probably can run on all fours but has an upright stance in battle. It's a heel wrestler, as part of fighting dirty, I imagine it'll do what it takes to win, so that means getting more agility out of running on all fours or some shit like that.

>>28592732
So tell me, who is it that decides when something is too over-designed? What's the objective threshold?

>>28592772
the threshold for them is probably
>if I dont like it it's over designed muh opinion is held in such high esteem muh

>>28592683
Yep, plenty of them.

Camerupt, Tropius, Altaria, Zebstrika, Scolipede, Sawsbuck, Volcarona, Gogoat, Heliolisk to name a few.

>>28591181
More please.

>>28589636
who likes this abomination, surely will have lost their money.

>>28592732
>over-designed is an extremely valid criticism of modern Pokemon,
Really only if you're into them from a marketing standpoint. After all, the only point to make something clear and iconic is to be sure it's easily recognizable by the masses. It being good from that perspective only matters to those who are selling it. Not those who are buying it.

>>28592732
It's a meme word because nobody knows what constitutes "over designed" on this board. They just use it cause they hear other people use it and it sounds like a term an actual artist would use.

Note, I'm an artfag who went to artfag college, and literally NOBODY EVER USED THE TERM "over designed". Because it's a non-statement that means nothing. Hell you'd be thrown out of class if you actually said something was "over-designed".

Use actual fucking terminology at the very least man.

>>28592732
Reminder that this is your subjective opinion and accusing people of having childish ADHD riddled minds and spamming pictures from google graphics makes you seem like an autistic kid

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>>28592864
Sadly i cannot found the full version.

>>28592545
Houndoom isn't bipedal, bara and obviously based on wrestling

>>28592918
Damn, thanks anyway.

>>28592849
And yet you don't consider stuff like Zebstrika overdesigned?

>>28592981
Terrakion, cobalion and virizion?

>>28593004
...have you ever seen a Zebra?

>>28593025
>It's not overdesigned because the animal it's based on has a complicated design.
ok

>>28593069
Okay, for one it uses only two colours and has only one major feature, so it's appearance is simple with few colours and few details. Secondly its concept is just Zebra + Electricity, two very basic things. So it's simple in design and simple in concept. I'd say that pretty firmly puts it in the simple, less is more camp.

Also what exactly is complicated about a Zebra to you? It's just a patterned horse. It's not exactly brimming with features or details. It's a two colour pattern.

>>28593179
Zebstrikas design looks like a mess from a visual standpoint. Also following your logic Infernape is based on Sun Wukong, so since the thing it's based on is complicated, it should get a pass for you

>>28593179
>>28593312
See this is why I don't take the term "over-designed" seriously.

Fucking shoot me already.

>>28593331
Me neither, but this guy shits on my bro Infernape so I gotta react

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>>28593312
>Zebstrikas design looks like a mess from a visual standpoint.
If two colours and one feature is a mess to you then you have issues.

Compared to Infernape's seven colours, kneepads, gauntlets, shoulder guards, chest band thing, knee socks, vest, helmet and fire hair Zebstrika might as well be a fucking straight black line.

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Oh look, an actual good design that was sadly ruined. Sure the pointless chest curl and pointless yellow arm ring that add literally nothing might be redundant but at least they're minimal and easily ignored.

>>28593069
>a horse with stripes is complicated

do you even hear yourself

>>28589636
I'm personally not a fan because of the hands, and the colors just seem flat.

>>28593424
If you replaced all of that ugly gold shit with just more white fur and made the brow blue like Monferno's to match the hands and feet it would honestly be a great design.

>>28593424
You see knee socks, I see a clever use of its fur and other monkey features. If you can make Infernape simpler, but still have its origins and typing apparent I'll be really interested to hear it

>>28593424
THEY'RE BOTH GOOD DESIGNS

Jesus fucking christ, both are very good designs. The complexity isn't the only fucking factor of if it's good or bad.

Yeah, it uses multiple colors, what's wrong with using multiple colors? The colors mesh well together, and that's the important thing not the number of colors used.

It's some fucking pedantic bullshit with this "le its over designed" crap.

Zebstrika is also good! But it's a blatant lie if you claim it only has 2 colors (well sorta, black and white aren't technically colors, but it's eyes and ears use yellow and blue so if we go by B&W being colors there's 4 colors in it's design)

But you know what? There's actually nothing wrong with that! It still results in a nice striking design, you can look at it and say "hey that's an electric zebra!"

People are tired of bipedal Fire starters, especially ones that appear like they would be Fire/Fighting

Thankfully I don't give a shit

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>>28593692
You gave enough of a shit to respond tho.

>>28593718
To clarify, I don't personally give a shit about the fact that it's another bipedal Fire starter, but OP wanted to know why some people dislike it and that's one common reason as to why.

>>28591416
But you're throwing one right now

>>28593806
Stop

Please stop responding to bait

Why is /vp/ so easily baited?

>>28592258
>spikes

That's its fucking fur, designed to represent ripped/tattered clothing.

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>>28593594
Pokemon started looking extra stupid when they started wearing armor and stapling random metallic spikes to their body.

>>28593880
That actually looks worse.

>>28592573
But that's fully based on opinion, particularly your opinion, which is a wrong one.

>>28593880
That's terrible.

>>28593880
Looks really rad, good job anon. Just a shame that it's not the official design.

>>28590077
> people on here really believe this

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>>28593880
A thousand times better.

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>>28593912
>>28593917
>>28593929
>>28593948

>>28593917
>>28593948
I'm convinced you two are color blind.

>>28593964
I was briefly blinded upon seeing the original Infernape in fairness.

I wish /vp/ didn't know the word bara. You fucking retards genuinely think gamefreak designs things to appeal to gay furries. Jesus.

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>>28593880
>>28593594

>not getting the fact that it's based on Sun Wukong

What's with the "less detail = better xd" meme anyway?

>>28593880
The blue eyebrows would MAYBE make it look a bit better, but the white fur is fucking terrible. Looks way to calm for a fire/fighting type

>>28593880
Notice how there isn't a consensus and also how everyone has their own fucking opinions on things?

>>28593903
>>28593912
>>28593917
>>28593948

Well that's how life works. Not everything in entertainment media is rooted in factual concepts based entirely in design/color theories meant to please absolutely everyone at once.

This was a design chosen to represent a very well-known eastern mythological character. There happen to be many different interpretations and this is the one that Gamefreak chose to plug into their franchise.

>>28589636
because he looks fucking retarded

>>28594102
I understand, I just don't care. I also think the concept could work in other, better ways.

For me its the fingers

Like what the fuck

>>28593880

This looks absolutely retarded anon

>>28594128
Why are you here then?

Clearly you don't understand why things look a certain way if you don't even care to learn about their design origins.

Smell ya later, Trash Ketchum

>>28594169
I think you're missing the point anon.

>>28594180

What IS your point? You're just a retarded "overdesigned xd" memer

Honestly how could anyone think this piece of shit >>28593880 is an improvement over the actual design?

>>28593880
So the entire Abra line? Nice job, gen 1.

>>28594211
Perhaps you should calm down and then stop spouting memes and name calling first.

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How about this then?

>>28589841
This is the same sort of reason I don't fully believe the leaks. In addition to Litten, the other two starters become inconsistent with their original forms if the leaks are to be believed. Litten goes from levelheaded to roid rage; Rowlet's legs are supposed to be super strong but then it turns into an archer, a ranged attacker who would never use its legs to fight; and Popplio drops all its clown characteristics and goes full siren out of nowhere. That's not to say the leaks are completely false, but it makes me feel a bit suspicious about them.

>>28594376
Better than what you initial attempt, but still bad. The balance is completely non-existent with this.

>>28594376
still overdesigned.

>>28591278
not really, you're just stupid

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>>28594422

>>28594102
Sun Wukong is also a shit design, so ideally no pokemon should be based on Sun Wukong design wise.

>>28594422
fuck off with your over designed meme words. Use actual fucking terminology when critiquing something.

>>28594376
Also good, still like it.

>>28594376
Please stop.

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>>28594422
How about this version? Took me a while to come up with the perfect concept, but I think I nailed it

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All this Infernape discussion.

He looks great as he is. Sometimes simplicity isn't the best option.

>>28594102
Who cares what anything is based on if it looks bad?

>>28594376

Stop

>>28594504

But Infernape looks great.

>>28594504

But it doesn't look bad. It looks awesome. The retard trying to make it look like a regular monkey makes it an example of bad design

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>>28594109
Notice how some opinions are shit and nobody cares about them because they belong to retards?

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Hey guys, rate my redesign.

>>28589636
This thread would already have 500+ replies if you said "she" instead of "he"

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>>28594504
>implying it looks bad

Most people on /vp/ wouldn't even know how to properly design a child's lemonade sign

>>28592683
You must be young.

>>28594584

9/10
It's simple
Though the flame still makes it a little overdesigned

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>>28589636
I dislike its design.
That's why I hate it.

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>>28594381
>Rowlett shoots leaves, which the archer theme expands on
>Popplio is a clown meme

>>28594614
As evidenced by the popularity of Infernape.

>>28594584
man that's over designed!

>>28589636
People with shit taste.

>>28594584
Charmeleon's fire moved to his head

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Infernape needs the gold shit in order to stop people from realizing that it's just a rehash of Blaziken. Also speaking of Blaziken it's the real problem here, uglier than Infernape for sure.

>>28594621
I started with Gold and Typhlosion was the biggest dissapointment to me untill Delphox came around

>>28594376

Why don't you also remove the flame and the rest of the white fur?

>>28594479
the salt is real.

>>28594102
If that's Sun Wukong, then he's fucking hideous. A pokemon should never be based on abominations like that.

>>28594676
It's the feet shit, they look like tubes. Everything else is fine.

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Is this an improvemant on Infernape?

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Are people talking shit about based burning badger?

>>28594728
But anon gaudy chink designs from the 1500s are the epitome of aesthetics which is why it's used so often in everything

>>28594752
First and only good fire starter.

>>28594677
Ok. There are two possibilities here. Either you're a homosexual or you're baiting. That's it.

>>28594577
You're right. Your opinion is pretty shit and I don't care about it.

>>28591599
Well then those people just need to move the fuck on.

>>28594802

Or he's simply lying. I can't imagine a child being disappointed in getting Typhlosion.
It was the only time in a Pokemon game I ever picked the Fire Starter. Usually I'm more the water guy and Feraligatr is also awesome

>>28594376
Those eyes are too overdesigned anon, they need to be triangular.

>>28594751
No, it's a worse Chimchar.

>>28591599

I feel like Infernape should've been the Gen 3 Fire starter and Blaziken should've never existed.
That way we get the new and awesome Fire/Fighing typing plus a Pokemon based on Sun Wukong.
That way if Gen 4 had a regular Fire mon people wouldn't really be buttblasted about another Fire/Fighting Starter and would've actually found Fire Pig based on Oolong as a callback to Infernape awesome.
Blaziken is definitely the overkill here.

>>28594703
why don't you remove your head

>>28594752
>>28594774
>>28594802
>>28594849
How the fuck did this thread turn into Typhlosion thread?

I'm naming mine Rath

>>28594849
>I can't comprehend that someone can dislike what I like

>>28594381
They all expand on their themes. Rowlet uses feathers to attack aswell as strong kicks, Rowlet3 is a archer with long and strong legs. Popplio does little tricks as sort of a performance, Popplio3's singing is more professional than doing little jumps. Littens tail is a fuse that is seems to be connected to it's emotions, Litten3's tail has "blown up" which resulted in the massive personality change. The heel wrestler theme adds up to why it is supposed to be evil. So yes, this does make sense. Almost every final starter is much different than it's first stage but still shares similiar traits that have just been expanded.

>>28594992
Because Typhlosion is based and this lucha cat is a monstrous streaming pile of trash.

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>>28594992
I think most of us can agree that if Gen 2 didn't have the best Pokemon designs it certainly had some of the best amongst it at least.

I loved the whole autumn/fall evergreen vibe I got from the entire generation.

>>28595051
It's ok if you like Delphox more than Typhlosion. It just means that you're gay, which is not a bad thing either.

>>28594992
This thread is basically a fire starter thread.
>people shitting over Infernape
>people defending Infernape
>people saying Blaziken sucks
This thread has just been all over the place.

>>28594992

Every thread should be a Typhlosion thread

>>28595059

Typhlosion is one of the few starters that actually looks worse than its middle form. To be fair, that's partly because Quilava is one of the best looking middle forms.

>>28594992
It was always about Typhlosion. The whole Infernape thing was a giant diversion.

>>28594501
>he
T R I G G E R E D

>>28595107
I actually hate Delphox. That's why I said it was the biggest dissapointment in the franchise to me. I don't hate Typhlosion, I liked it as a kid (even though I was dissapointed), it's just really bland to me and recently I started loving pokemon with personality like Crabrawler, Bewear, Luchalitten

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>>28594676
>>28594729
This is a shitty shop I just did.

How's this?

>>28595252
Luchalitten isn't a pokemon, anon. It's a fakemon.

>>28594992
Its better than the leakfag vs denialfag threads.

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>>28595201

Replace he with it if you want.

>>28595268
I kept the "pants-like" leg feathers because it's supposed to look like a martial arts training outfit, but added Combusken feet to make it a bit less "tubular."

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Shitting Typhobro
Fuck off

>>28595268
Ok, now completely redo the head to make it more bird-like and completely rework the entire head hair thing. Infact scrap the whole thing and just do an totally different evolution that's more in line with Combusken.

Honestly, I'm more disappointed by Rowlett3. It looks kinda dull and uninspired.

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Allow me to shed some light on Beltigre and friends:
I mean the hands on Beltigre or whatever they're calling him now could be smaller, but it's a nice way of fucking with the fire/fighting theme by making a Heel wrestler who's dark type.
At the same time if Beltigre had smaller hands he'd look weird.
Sure everyone wants a lithe quadruped stater, because it hasn't been done before, but it looks to me like they're doing the Fighter/Mage/Thief motif of really early RPGs again, hence the thematics on the final evos while the base forms seem like they'd make a different end result.

Example being if Litten became the lithe thief figure of the group, Rowlet could be the Mage, and Pop could be the Fighter, but then you get stuck with a Mage owl with an incredibly non-magical typing to back it up.

So I can see where Game Freak is coming from. though I'm not ENTIRELY a big fan of Beltigre's design, I can agree with the basis.

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Typhlosion hijack

>>28595268
Can you take the hair out of its armpits?

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Yo.

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>>28595358
Did my best while winging it (GET IT, CHICKEN WING) with the chest

>>28589636
>bomb cat turning into a wrestler with a fire dick
>fingers
>head
>retarded vest
there's not a single thing I like about it

>>28595646
Hmmm... I would shorten the added talons just a bit and maybe make the v-neck smaller

>>28591263
Fuck you Emboar is GOAT

>>28595844
lol nice shit taste

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>>28595803
Trimmed the foot talons and also turned the yellow feathers black to give it a more classical martial arts uniform.

>>28591151
Yeah, edgy felines or 'just geet bigger' evolutions. 10000 times better.

>>28594501
This pic you posted makes me like him.

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>>28595924
uhnhhnnnnhhhhnNNHNHHHHHHHHHHHHHHNNNNNN
FUCK I'M CUMMING

>>28596115
Haha thanks I guess

>>28595924
Reminds me of Yatterman

>>28595924
Looks like Blaziken in a shitty suit

>>28596187
You mean a different shitty suit?

>>28596187
I'm just trying to improve its martial arts motif a bit, I don't expect everyone to think it's objectively better in every way.

>>28595924
That actually pretty nice. Maybe try to make its hair orange or something to make it look more fire related

For veteran players, its most likely because its the fourth fire/fighting starter in the franchise after only 1 generation of breaking the trend with Delphox.

For newcomers, I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say its not what they expected. They were probably expecting some edgelord hellcat, not huge wrestler baracat.

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>>28596373
Like this?

>>28596640
Could you have used a worse shade of orange?

Go back to yellow accents, and pale white hair feathers. Instead try to ruffle up the neck triangle a bit, it's way too straight.

>>28596853
How about no :^)

>>28589647
you have to be a furfag to even have this thought pop into your head. Pokemon are NOT for sexualizing. You must have subconsciously sexualized this firecat since you yourself sexualize "female" pokemon.

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>>28596853
Here, I decided to be nice to you and do part of what you requested, rude anon

>>28596925
Would train/10. At this point you should just fuck around with the colors. This shade of red and black doesn't really work together imo. I'd try and make red more vibrant or black more grayish

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>>28597108
Here you go.

I feel like this is dangerously close to just being Mega Blaziken by now haha

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>>28589636
>Fire thrust
Need I say more?

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>>28596084
Official art from Pokemon Conquest

>>28589884
Exactly. It's like they thought emboar was actually a good idea and players wanted more meathead ugly fighting fire starters

>>28597453
This is pretty much perfect. Thanks Anon

>>28589636
>No.2858
U G L Y
G
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>>28597776
No problem

>>28593880
The armor-looking fur should just be yellow-tinged. It IS better to have it resemble armor, it just shouldn't be be a whole separate color. Color all the white yellow if need be.

>>28589636
Because it's another bipedal fire starter with a fighting thens. Also, the majority of people think the design is bad in of itself. The wasted potential is strong with this one.

>>28589636
>>28601098
I actually think the design would have been great if not for the oversaturation of fire starters similar to it. If I had no previous context with Pokemon and had to pick 2 out of Blaziken, Infernape, Emboar and Litten3 to keep, I'd probably be letting Emboar and either Blaziken or Infernape drop before Litten3.

>>28600706
Literally what fucking difference does that make. I swear to christ some people come up with the most arbitrary rules for design i've ever seen.

Seriously? Your seriously arguing that the fact the armor is gold is the flaw, and causes too many problems because its too many colors.

THEN IMMEDIATELY SUGGEST TO USE THE SAME NUMBER OF COLORS, BUT USE AN OFF WHITE?

Jesus fucking christ, this board is so full of shit, people who would be fucking laughed out of a designer meeting.

Is this what it feels like to be a physicist listening to a man argue gravity is caused by gnomes?

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Wew, this thread is something else.

Why do people think a pokemon should be this or that, this series is known for pokemon evolving into weird shit. Like a fish evolving into a OCTOPUS. But nobody gets triggered over that.

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He's not. The only people that say they hate the best fucking starters we've had since gen 1 are just butthurt faggots that are sad "muh clown", edgebird, and the literal cat are fake. No one actually dislikes these starters with good reason. They're absolutely perfect, thematically and by design.

And that's my impression of almost every hypersensitive, obnoxious as fuck leakfag on this board. How'd I do, guys?

>>28603926
>Best starters since gen 1

Subjective, but sure. The Luchalitten hate is ridiculous, but I couldn't less because Rowlet3 is a thing and that's all that matters.

To be truthful, I'd love this pokemon as a non starter. Its such a small petty thing but thats what I want. I dont know why the pokemon team is so hell bent on fire/fighting even if it turns out to be fire/dark it looks like fighting.

>>28590077
But does it appeal to figurative homosexuals?

>>28589636
I've seen more people like Litten 3 more than that awful Popplio evo.

charizard>litten 3>typhlosion>infernape>emboar>delphox>blaziken

>>28591599
I agree with this 99%.

I didn't like Blaziken, but something new was very cool and so I accepted it.

>>28589647
I hate Litten3 too, but >>28596944 is right. People who auto associate shit with furfags are literally closet furfags themselves.

LuchaLittens belt is so stupid. It's makes it look like he's got fire crotch.

>>28589636
He's a heel

>>28589636
Because it being real means the mermaid is real too.

>>28591036
And the fact people dont realize its a meme. Anyone with an ounce of brainpower should realize these starters are real. You can not like it (like the vocal minority of VP does) but to delude yourself into believing it's not real with nearly undeniable evidence placed in front of you would be retarded beyond belief.

>>28591088
Yo infernape is a badass. Fucking Sun Wukong shit. Blaziken looks sorta weird and not like anything and typhlosion just sorta is. There isn't anything outstanding about typhlosion's design but not much wrong with it either.

>>28591181
>Hands smaller than head
>No weird sausage fingers
>Looks speedy instead of bulky

Even blatant furbait Luchalitten is better than actual Luchalitten

>>28591599
Pretty much this. Blaziken gets a pass for being new, Infernape gets a pass for mythology and making sense.

Emboar gets hate because it had no reason to be fighting, and people wanted a more typical Boar, just like how people wanted litten to be a more typical cat.

>literally my mom's X
>it just gets bigger

Variety would be nice.

>>28603926
On the top that they can't any critic

Human body + cat head. It's just fucking lazy.

>>28589636

I don't hate him

I want to fuck him

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>>28605596
>I've seen more people like Litten 3 more than that awful Popplio evo.

>>28603926

Because the people who throw temper tantrums over these like spoiled, entitled brats and hate them for dumb reasons like the "le furbait" meme are totally not obnoxious either, right?