ITT: Moves that just need to go away.

>>28565605
>Geomancy

>Abilities that need to go
Static

just reduce the accuracy and it's fine

ITT: shit trainers

>>28565605
Sneaky Pebbles

>Sturdy

Scald
Stealth rocks

Abilities:
Gale wings

>>28565605
Constrict.

It has literally the lowest base power ever and it's not a trapping move unlike Bind or Wrap.

All it does is lower Speed 10% of the time.

It makes Triple Kick look good.

>>28565605
ITT: No-skill booty blasted cumgargler whines about paralysis because he gets his ass fucked by it every time he goes online

Shell Smash on anything other than Dwebble and Crustle

>>28565762
Says the no-skill paralysis user. :^)

>>28565718
this

>>28565776
Look at this pleb.

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>oh no I was almost forced to use an ice type, good thing every water type learns this

Thunder Wave is the ultimate cancer. Speed drop is whatever, full paralysis NEEDS to go, there is so much reward for zero risk, why is paralyzing my CM Clefable a viable fucking move

Any move that has at least 80 base power and a 30% chance to do something needs a nerf
And fuck you Serene Grace

false swipe

The useless ones
- Blast Burn & Friends
- Helping Hand
- Cant think of another

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>>28566457
>not liking hyper beam

>>28566431
It's a good ingame move, not competitive.

>>28565762
>>28565779
>Pokemon
>Skill
Just relax and have fun lads

>>28566027
>No longer a tm
Suddenly ice type becomes more useful!

>>28566480
I think he just means the elemental ones because they're locked to the starters.

What really needs to go away is any battle format besides singles and doubles. Who the fuck though rotation battles would be a good idea?

>>28565605
Has a move ever been removed?

>>28566521
>Who the fuck though rotation battles would be a good idea?
People who like fun.
That said it's still more relevant than singles.

>>28566546
>implying complete chaos and no strategy involved is fun

Destiny Bond at least needs a slight nerf

Scald really needs a substantial nerf

Protect moves shouldn't fail if you correctly predict them and switch

Thunderwave should have lower accuracy

Ice beam needs less distribution

Origin Pulse and Precipice Blades need to go; in fact, primals should not be a thing, or at the very least should take the mega spot.

Also, who thought mega fug was a good idea?

>>28565739
Either making it gain +20 after each hit or make it double its base power but avoid accuracy checks should be very good already since Hitmontop has access to technician.

>>28566526
In technicality, yes. The moves from the Gamecube games, the Shadow Moves, were removed but only because they were meant for those games.
Funnily enough, Shadow Type Moves are the only types before Gen 4 that have a special physical split.

>>28566457
>- Blast Burn & Friends
Kids love them, let them have fun.
>- Helping Hand
Awesome move in VGC if you run a support tank like Cresselia.
>- Cant think of another
Think harder.

>>28566565
This just in, fun is subjective!
Also git gud, rotation isn't as "chaotic" as you think it is.

>>28566565
Dude, Rotation is just singles where you get to act on the switch.
How is that chaotic?

Wish.

It's fucking bullshit

>>28566565
here's your (You)

>>28566665
>>28566666


Off by one......

>>28565605
Protect should be fixed. It should become a DODGE or allow all drawbacks of moves used.
That would allow for some cool strategies in doubles and becomes usefull in singles

>The meta would just be top notch with just tackle.
You fuckers are just shit at the game

Gravity needs to go

Scald is really the only cancer move I can think of, either reduce the power to 65 or lower the burn chance.

>>28566580
If Origin Pulse is bad, what about Steam Eruption? On that note Scald being a TM while Lava Plume has the shit distribution it has is absolutely disgusting.
>>28566206
Thunder and Hurricane don't. Their 30% affliction rate only applies to the 70% of the time they actually hit.

>>28566457
>I don't play doubles
>there for Helping Hand is useless
kys

>>28566580
>Destiny Bond at least needs a slight nerf
What the fuck is wrong with Destiny Bond? How would you even nerf it?

Knock Off
>97.5 power (strongest physical dark type move)
>AND removes item

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>>28566580
>Scald really needs a substantial nerf
hahaha I don't know what you're talking about anon.

>>28568192
He's right, it needs to be nerfed. 60 BP. Also give every water type Technician.

>>28568104
I feel like even if Knock Off didn't increase in power, it would still be a good move

>>28567787
It lasts until your opponents next move and its spammable, the only real way to counter someone using it like that is to stall out the pp, which is idiotic.

Return
Hidden Power

>>28568248
Are you really complaining about having to PP stall an 8 PP max move?

Every priority move, or make them all like fake out where you can only use them on the first turn a pokemon is out.

>>28568314
People like you are really fucking stupid.

>>28565718
SR is fine. The problem is the shit distribution of rapid spin and defog (outside of Gen IV).
Besides, hazards are shit outside of singles.

>>28568331
>im stupid because i think making it required to run a clutch last chance attack is a bad idea

>>28566159
>Why is crippling my setup a viable fucking move?
retard

>>28568355
Yeah. Let's change Quick Attack so it can only be used on the first turn out. I can't stand Quick Attack! It's so overpowered!

>>28568306
>guys, eight turns of doing fucking nothing is totally good design

You're joking right? You sound ridiculous

>>28568390
Good thing they are adding bruxish just to punish priority spamming shitters like you

>>28568401
>>doing nothing
Yeah. You're an idiot.
You could spend those 8 turns switching for free and setting up a sweeper if all they're going to do is spam Destiny Bond.

Try making decisions about balance after you understand how the game works.

>>28568275
>wanting to remove the only good normal move
why

>>28568412
(You)

>>28565718
Stealth Rocks isn't a bad move in concept. It's the fact that it activates more than once.

There is NO reason the stones should stay in the air after they go off once. It should need to be set up again.

ITT: Smogon scrub general

>>28568355
Different anon, priority moves are fine and if you remove them then you make the game even more focused on speed and speed alone
Aka a worse game

>>28568441
Because this thread is full of people either baiting or people who literally have no idea how the game works

>>28568441
>Boomburst
>Hyper Voice
>Body Slam

>>28568459
Stealth rock is absorbed by rock types or something
There is nothing wrong with it triggering, the fact that nothing escapes it is the problem

Every Recovery move. Maybe then VGC wouldn't have to be Doubles out of fear of matches taking too long.

>>28568515
>special move with shit distribution
>special move for pixilate spam
>4 fucking normal Pokemon learn this shit move

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>>28568355
>>28568412
>Moves that are weaker than tackle with their priority being the only reason to use them need to go.

>>28568548
They're not. Only Toxic Spikes are absorbed by Poison types.

>>28565776
>allowing Cloyster to set up
You deserve to get wrecked.

>>28565776
>What is mach punch and other priority moves?

>>28566504
You mean less useful, right?
If water types can't use Ice Beam anymore people will stop using Ice Beam in general.

>>28566457
>Helping Hand
>useless
You make me want to apologize to everyone I called a retard on this site, you deserve that title more than anyone else.

>>28565994
>>28568679
>>28568699
>thinking it's okay to force pokemon to destroy parts of their bodies

>>28568763
Yes it is, it turns them into a better version of themselves.

>>28568463
If you actually played the game you would realize that people who play VGC/Battle Spot and Smogon use pretty much the same things.

>>28566521
Triples are fun anon.

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>>28568548
>Stealth rock is absorbed by rock types or something

>>28565605

>MUH SWEEPS

Fuck you

>>28566521
If anything the main game should feature more triples/rotation and doubles as well

>>28565605

Thunder wave needs to stay

The Pokemon that learns it need to be limited

>>28565718
Stealth rock isn't relevant and is never gonna be removed and or nerfed
6v6 singles is never ever gonna be used in any official format because of how bad it is
3v3 singles is way more common

>>28566580
Destiny Bond is fine. You can set up, out priority, out speed, or even kill them through alternate means like weather.

>>28568585

>weaker than tackle

60BP anon

>>28568838
How is that a bad idea?

>>28568939
No, 40

>>28568945
No point to nerf a move that is pretty much never used in any relevant format

>>28568975
>he plays mirror match dice roll: the format

>>28569010
Litteraly everything is better than 6v6 singles, even worse if it's under smogon's """rules""""

>>28569046
What's wrong with evasion clause?

>>28569082
Every formats without the evasion clause proves that it is useless, since evasion boosting moves aren't common in formats without the clause

>>28569046
I can see the merit in VGC. It allows people who suck at making teams to make top 6 easily.

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>>28568939
The only move that's higher than 40 is extremespeed and, well...

Barrage and Egg Bomb seriously need to go.

>>28569357
Nah, they just need a boost

>>28569384

they'd still be shit even with a boost because they're exclusive/limited moves

they need to just remove them and replace them with actual useful moves.

>>28568671
I mean they should be, to make stealth rock not so "bring rapid spin or lose slowly"

>>28569144
Every format with the evasion clause proves that it is usefull

>>28569307
Why in the fuck does Togekiss get Extreme Speed?

>>28569496
Because you touch yourself at night.

>>28569144
Except thats bollocks and even if they aren't common it doesn't mean that evasion moves aren't cancer

Why would you want to encourage diceroll-based invincibility

>>28569412
I like exclusive moves and I wish we had more of them. But they should be breedable, but still be used the best by main Pokemon.
Twin-needle for example should be boosted to have 30 power.
We need more moves that have20-40 power but have bigger chance to activate effect.

There are few moves that would make more sense as multi hit moves -
Poison jab, Close combat, Ice shard (which should be merged with icicle spear at this point)


Personaly I would also make max accuracy for moves 95% and get rid of Double team TM.

>>28569046
Spore spamming shitter sighted

>lower Scald BP to 60
>lower Knock Off BP to 50
>reduce spread of Ice Beam
>increase spread of Freeze Dry
>add more interaction with terrain moves
>buff damage of trap moves (Fire Spin, Wrap, Whirlpool, etc.)
>remove Pledge moves and other gimmick moves

How fucked is Pokemon now?

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>ITT smogonfags bans things because the OU they haven been using for years is easy to predict much to their surprise

>>28569700
I think Scald power is good but the pp needs to be lowered. 10 pp is good.

>>28569605
>max accuracy 95%

Dial up the game-deciding rng, fucking fantastic idea senpai

Weaker moves with added effects would be nice, but they'd be better if it was like 20 BP/100% proc chance because reliable move make the game so much nicer to play around, both using and vs the move

In a similar vien, moves with a 10% chance to burn/freeze/paralyse/poison need to just lose the proc chance because they are good enough without a 10% chance to potentially instantly and unintentionally win the game

Fake out. Fuck fake out.

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>>28565605
-Stealth Rock needs to be removed or heavily nerfed.
-Spore needs an accuracy nerf.
-Thunder Wave needs an accuracy nerf.
-Scald needs a nerf to 15-20% burn chance.

Everything else is fine. Quit bitching.

>>28565605
>thunderwave
>accuracy 100
Wait it is? Was this changed? I remember it being inaccurate as hell.

>>28568712

Less overall use, yes, but more use among ice-types, both generally and proportionally to other types.

This is sorely needed in order for the type to be even close to relevant.

Present needs a buff. Seriously GF, make this happen, I want to use Delibird in comp.

>>28568248
Sandstorm, taunt, toxic, burn status and the fact that primarily shitmons get it... just stop.

>>28569772
FUCK nuzzle.

>>28569934
Ice types already use it.

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>>28569605
>adding more RNG
>making Close Combat, a 120bp move, multi hit
>merging icicle spear and ice shard when they have entirely different purposes
Christ, you're retarded. Please never post again.

>>28570292

Yes, but only when they're actually used in competitive, which is almost never.

Removing water-types' universal ability to do ice-types' job (providing one of the best offensive types in the game) would signficiantly increase ice-type usage.

>>28570395
Ice type would just disappear from competitive with a couple of exceptions, a single move with medium damage is not worth using garbage pokemon.
Instead of nerfing water they should try to make decent ice type pokemon, it's not impossible as Mamoswine, Kyurem and Cloyster demonstrated. Adding at least another resistance would also be fine.

>>28566526
Vacuum Wave, transfer-only.

>>28569772
You want MORE of Nuzzle?

I'm not mad about TWave, it's the fact that the ai will spam the shit out of it, so much that I have to carry an electric pokemon all the fucking time.

>>28568192
>Scald works as intended

It's Dark Souls 3 poise all over again

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>>28569700
>Techscizor with Knock Off

>>28570508
>removing water types ability to easily learn ice beam will somehow make people use weavile less
That isn't even a strawman that's literally what you're saying

>>28570196
>>28570690
Niche strong moves like nuzzle are potentially acceptable if the pokemon that can access them suffer for the privilege, but i was thinking more along the lines of powerup punch rather than hard status moves

>>28570838
Simple fix: make knock off bonus damage calculate before the technician check

>>28565720
this

>>28570931
Just remove the power boost.
50bp isn't bad for removing the opponent's item anyways.

Feint
+2 priority AND breaks protect? Broken!

>>28565605
ITT: Smogonbabies

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/thread

>>28571953
At the very least Smeargle needs to not be able to Sketch it.

>>28565605
Thunder Wave is 100% accurate?! but it's a status move...

>>28570966
knock off was garbage before the damage boost. Nobody gives a fuck about getting rid of items if it means doing piss damage, and history will back me up. Only shitmons in NU ever even had it as a consideration for their movesets, and even then nobody used it. 20 or 50, it may as well just be a status move

>>28568815
YEAH I SEE CONSEALED COBBLESTONES ALL THE TIME IN BATTLE SPOT!

NOT! LOL Dont tell me I dont play the game, beeyotch. kys.