Starters Deconfirmed

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>>28536800

>>28536800
i guess they did just get lucky with mallows design being spot on *sigh*

The picture isn't detailed enough to tell

His shirt also has no details whatsoever, so what?

Also animesinnohash.jpg makes your post void.

Last minute changes.
Also the image is TINY they would not be able to put much detail at all.
stop forcing the beliefs that these are fake onto EVERYONE!!

>>28536800
It's just simplified, since he's clearly not the main focus of the drawing. Besides, if you think this would override Mallow being there as proof, you're a moron.

>>28536832
Them making last minute changes to something like Ash's hat is about as likely as Mallow being a generic Hawaiian girl. It's much more likely they just used the old hat since it's so small, the new icon would be hard to draw.

>>28536800
Why would they even use Ash in official game concept art in the first place?

>>28536800
Because things like that can change? Those final stage designs could change too. We have no idea how early that was done, it looks like it'd be from very early concept art, but who knows? Stop speculating and just wait for the reveals. A lot of people are gonna be disappointed either way, just try not to be one of them.

>>28536849
Because it's not game concept art, it's reference art for the anime.

Literally the exact same hat.

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Well...

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>>28536800
Look anon I hate the starters as much as you but I can tell when it's time to give up and face reality

>>28536824
Oh but is it detailed enough to tell thats Mallow?
Shut up with your "detail" its obviously fake half the peoplehere are just stupidly gullible

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>>28536824
>It's Mallow EXACTLY
>I-its n-not detailed enough to say it d-doesn't match Ash!

>>28536800
It's like everyone forgets Wottergate and how there were people "coming forward" to tell us about how they are the artist.

It's called concept art OP, Ash's clothing isn't set in stone and is prone to last minute changes. >>28536917

I know it sucks to have the surprise of a bipedal fire starter ripped from you, but come on, stop grasping at straws. At least it's not Fire/Fighting again, wasn't that a nice surprise with Delphox?

>>28536800

Seriously, people need to get over it, they're real, Mallow is in the picture, months before we knew she existed. It's real, get over it.

The hat has basic lines, clearly you don't understand how art and limited space works.

>>28536947
>>28536946
Well, yeah. You can still see the distinct features Mallow has. The same can't be said for Ash's hat.

I've been conflicted since they leaks gained credibility. I love Rowlet3 and don't mind Poppmaid, but this Luchalitten shit is disgusting. I think I'd sacrifice Rowlet3 and Poppmaid to make Luchalitten go away.

Deconfirmed isn't even a real world, yet I see it everywhere.

Disconfirmed.

Not deconfirmed.

Also you're in denial OP, or baiting.

>>28536800

because that concept art is from the games, not the anime

the settei for the series are way different than this.

whoever did this at gamefreak decide to use a generci trainer like ash

dont you remember seeing red in one of the fist concept art released, back when SM was announced?

>>28537007
"Since I don't like the designs, the leaks are fake!"

That's you. Can it.

>>28537013
No one cares what a real word is or not. As long as the concept is being conveyed to you and you understand what OP meant, it doesn't matter. How do you think new words come into being?

I agree, OP, but this thread is gonna be filled with "b-b-but Mallow". Stupid idiotas.

>>28537007
You'll just have to accept it. Who knows, maybe it'll grow on you after seeing it in motion. Either way, trying to come up with excuses like this to "prove" they might be fake is just silly.

>>28536800
That's now it works. Mallow is an actual character that has probably been planned to be in the entire series the entire time. While small details, like the design on Ash's hat, is always subject to change when planning a new series. Try harder and enjoy the starters

>>28537007
It's pretty clearly the XY hat, semi-circle with a small space in the center.

Mallow's hair also only has 2 splits instead of three, and she's not colored in which would really solidify it either way.

>>28537034
You denialfags are a pain. The proof is right before your eyes and you're still like 'm-muh dream designs'

Wow.

>>28537018
What? I just acknowledged their credibility. Get some reading comprehension.

I'm saying that I'd split the difference and have them be fake if Luchalitten was no more.

>>28537013
English is a changing language, if there is widespread understanding/use it is more or less a "real" word.

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>>28536947
>Implying they'd make Ash's design before Mallow's.
>Implying they'd make anime concepts before making the character designs for the games.

>>28537041
... Mallow's hair looks like that because of the angle she's in...

>>28537050
Then try to disprove the hat then. Not to mention the fact that it doesn't even look like Mallow all that much or that the art isn't in Sugimori OR Ohmura's style. The guy who drew these probably had a sneak peek at Mallow and drew it from memory to throw us all off.

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>>28537082

>>28537082
.....Could denial go to these extreme levels?


This is....advanced denial.

>>28537082
It's fine if you don't like the designs, but don't fool yourself. It'll only make it harder for you when they're finally officially confirmed.

>>28537068
The real hair also curves down and had a split end as opposed to curving up like in the "leak".

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>>28537094
>implying they're real

>>28537090
>>28537092
>I have nothing to say so imma just shitpost

>>28537082
>>28536917
Are Denialfags just going to continue to ignore this image?

>>28537115
They'll ignore anything they can. They're denialfags.

>>28537115
So what? The starter pic is fake anyway.

>>28537115
Obviously.
They wouldn't be very good shitposters if they entertained evidence against them.

>>28537138
lol

>>28537138
Screencap this thread, then cry into your pillow when the starter evos are revealed.

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>>28536800
>using the word "deconfirmed" thinking it has same meaning as confirmed fake

>>28537082

You are an idiot. This is concept art for the ANIME not the game, of course the art isn't the same as the game art retard.

So much denial...it's sad

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>>28537147
>they're shitposters if they're not as gulliable as I am
Kek'd
>>28537156
Can't wait for you fags to get BTFO

>>28536800
>continuing to push this forced argument.

>>28536800
You're totally right, op

>>28537115
What do you think ? They came up with this stupid "proof" alongside the generic hawaiian girl shit. They have there arms forced in there ears and drums ripped.

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>>28537082
I can't understand people like you.

I'm just a bit confused over something.

>For this to be true, the concept art would have to be specifically for the anime production because Ash is in there
>Ash in a game production art concept design technically wouldn't make sense
>Yet, the designs don't have final names (although it's arguable whether the names aren't needed until the voice actors get involved voicing said characters)

>Ash and Mallow are in the concept art (both with small missing details due to being majorly smaller than usual sketches)
>Mallow was confirmed shortly after, albeit with added details we didn't get to see with these (like the organ in the flower in her head)
>If this concept art is true, then the same might happen to Ash much in a similar way

Notice the smaller sketch.

>Popplio is in there
>And yet, in the poster, Lana is the one actually owning Popplio or at least having the starter by her side and yet, nowhere to be seen?

the fuck

>>28537896

Just because Lana has a Popplio doesn't mean Ash can't also get one...

This is ANIME art, not game art, I don't know why any of you think it's from the game...

>>28537896

beacuse this is for the games

you will see when they release the concept art in the guides, they will use the same image.

>>28537260
If the hat is a forced argument, then Mallow is a forced argument. Get fucked.

>>28537981

clearly you have never seen anime settei

it doenst make sense for the anime to work with codenames. this is clearly made for the games with names not decided yet.

>>28537981

Ok, then here's another question.

If the concept art is presumably anime art reference, which everything points towards it...

Then why does the leak come from a chinese source? One of the animators or insiders happened to be chinese?

>>28537896
Greninja supposedly didn't even have a name yet when it was picked for Smash Bros, so presumably the names are usually one of the last things they decide on. Not like they need the names in order to animate them, anyway.

>>28538058
>this kind of logic.

>>28537018
That's not what he's saying at all, retard. Can't you read?

>>28538097

why did we get leaks from hiro, a spanish guy, during BW?

>>28538097
The leak was posted on /vp/. It didn't come from anyone chinese, presumably.

Seems more likely that it was some japanese guy instead, probably someone who works for Tokyo TV.

Literally no-one is arguing that it is a different hat, what people are arguing about is that it's such a minor change that it carries next to no weight when it comes to proving or disproving the image.

There have been hat-related inconsistencies before, which suggests that Ash's clothing is usually decided on late in production, unlike NPC or Pokemon designs.

>>28538259
Either way, I hope the guy gets busted and fired. I mean I can't complain because I like the leaked evolutions, still this caused one of the most cancerous leak seasons ever and starters should actually be something to speculate about until like one or two months before release.

>>28538429
Tokyo TV and Gamefreak may not even have realized that they got leaked until recently, and I doubt they hire anyone to look at /vp/, since 99% of the time it's just fake leaks (if anything, they're more likely to keep an eye on 2ch). The guy may have gotten away with it.

It's concept art. They could have drawn it before they solidified new Ash
The anime probably being finished animated isn't an excuse either, there's no indication when this was drawn. It could have been months before it leaked

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>>28536800
>OP

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>>28536800
STEVEN HAIR ARE DIFFERENT IN THE SKETCH!!!11 STEVEN FAKE!!11

>>28538733
I recognize this artstyle.

Im thinking of some blue cubed faggot who became a poorfag living off the streets begging for commission money.

>>28537007
Litten3 is really, really good

>>28538755
>thinking this is even remotely the same thing
Retard.

>>28537306
Don't worry, there's nothing wrong with you.

They're just autistic.

>>28538798
Stfu you retard idiot. The anime sketch of Steven has different hair, so is indeed fake. This is the same "muh ash hat is different" retard logic.

>>28538755
No it's not

>>28538819
The sketch is concept art. the "leak", on the other hand, is supposed to be reference art, not concept art. There's two possibilities here.

>Gamefreak are complete and utter incompetents who can't get the most important, popular and famous Pokemon protagonist's design right
>It's fake as fuck

Oh, look at that, the only probable possibility is the latter.

>>28538833
Yes. Different hairstyle, totally fake.

>>28538870
Go learn the meaning of "sketch", then kys.

>>28538870
except the little sketch with ash is in no way intended as reference, other than perhaps for a scene.

>>28536800
>what is concept art

>>28536800
t-they changed it

>>28538923
>leakfag has no argument and retorts to outright ignoring logic and facts in favor of logical fallacies
Typical.

>>28537115
And what does it prove? That GameFreak is retarded enough to commit the same mistake twice?

>>28538951
>denialfags can't explain with logic mallow leak and mallow companion, or the same steven sketch error
Typical.

>>28538870
Ash is secondary, the concept art isn't intended to show how to draw Ash, the starter evos are the focus and Ash and Mallow are merely there to characterize Luchalitten in an anime context.
Ash's redesign was probably settled on at a later stage.

>>28536800
its pretty much the same design
the circle is just complete

after all it is just concept design

>>28538058
>a slightly less detailed article of clothing is the same as a completely new character showing up months before their reveal
lol

Is "Ash and Mallow are not the focal point of the sketch and as such were not completely drawn accurately (especially given that this was not meant to be seen by the public); nevertheless, there are too many identifying features on the mallow sketch for it to be coincidence" really that hard for you denialfags to understand?

the fact that some of you people think all anime reference art planning for a new anime is draw simultaneously so that everything is exactly up to detail is hilarious are you morons? not the fact that I'm trying to prove the starters are real because idk if they are or not but just the logic you use to say they aren't real is laughable desu.

"Ash's hat isn't the same!!!"
>it isn't Ash's concept art, Mallow is there and her design is slightly wrong too. Even though it is clearly Mallow.

They'll both be locked in on their own reference artworks.. but you all expect them to go back and fix his small minute design on Luchalitten's reference art... completely retarded honestly I pray for you

>>28537027
>>28537064
Kekking cucks.

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Denialfags are false flagging to rile you up. Ignore them. Don't make a stupid BTFO collage.

There's no doubting the authenticity of the leaks after Mallow. This is coming from a former denialfag.

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Rev up those (you)s

>>28537082
This probably has to be the most retarded post I've read all week. Seriously.

>Theze boogeymonz are fake XD
>Posts shitty theory
>Theze boogeymonz are real XD
>Posts shitty theory
Both sides literally have nothing. It's just shitty theory crafting. Wait until they are either debunked by the artist that made these or confirmed as real by gamefreak. Is it really that hard?

>>28538169
Of course he can't. He's a leakfag. His brain is almost as small as his dick.

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>>28536824
This

>>28536800
GRASPING
>>28538755
AT
>>28539614
STRAWS

>>28536800
>Beta art of Pokemon / Character
>Looks different in final product
Well this beta art must be fake.

>>28539690
Keep being in denial fagboy. Just remember to kill yourself when it gets deconfirmed :^)

>>28542705
I didn't say they're real.
I fucking wish they are fake.
But both Denialfags and Leakfags are just grasping at straws at this point.

>>28539017
This

>>28539614
Those eyes look exactly like Mallow's eyes in the sketch. Confirmed.

>>28537179
DO NOT CLICK TO THAT GIF
IS A "THE LEAKS ARE FAKE" REPLY CURSE

I REALLY HATE THESE RETARDED PEOPLE...WHY DONT YOU SIMPLY DIE?

This thread really makes me fear for the future of humanity.

>>28537035
>Who knows, maybe it'll grow on you after seeing it in motion.
This. As we've seen from all the trailers the artwork this Gen doesn't do the Pokemon justice, seeing them in action however makes it better.

>>28542870
It won't be shown ingame because it is a shit fake.

>>28542899
Please stop shitposting.

>>28542899
It was funny the first time, it was not so much the second and now the 1000'th times you need to stop.

>>28536800
I'd the starter leak picture is to not be believed then tell me... why is mallow present even though she wasn't officially revealed weeks later. Her cooking motif is present too

>>28538870
Jesus fucking christ, are denial fags this retarded? Its a sketch to characterize luchalitten, so it's going to have less fucking detail.

You'll note the things thats actually meant to be referenced is detailed.

>>28542916
>hurr anyone who says they're fake is shitposting
Can't wait to see your reactions in two months.

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>>28537082
>Getting a sneak peek at a character
>Most likely In the GameFreak Office that has even more unannounced shit to look at
>Only looking at one character that's not even a fucking pokemon to begin with
>with the rest being there at a fucking glance
ONLY LOOKING AT FUCKING MALLOW

>>28542969
Screencapped.

>>28536823
>get Mallow
>dont get ash

People still denying that Mallow was the leak, and the starters are fake fodder. This is a smoking gun for that theory IMO

They weren't done finalizing how ash's version of the character clothes are

You should know by now that Ash wear's his own spin of the default clothes

because ash isn't the focus of the concept art retard.

>>28543048
But it was enough to dupe your sorry asses.

>>28536823
>*sigh*
Kill yourself

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>>28536800

>>28536800
It's concept art, you really think everything would be finalized about his design by that point?

>>28536800
Autism incarnate

OP, yes, the starters are absolute shit. The good news is you can just stash it in your PC, and replace with a better monster like always. So don't fret about it, if you want to use a starter, then just grab your favorite from any of the last games.

>>28545483
Soooo what you guys are saying is that just cuz a drawing of ash, meant to be not detailed what so fucking ever means you guys are right and the drawing of mallow, which is pretty much in the same boat, is the real leak and not any of the creatures depicted
So by this logic, whenever big foot gets sighted, the real shocker is the fucking tree behind all the other trees about 500 yards over there
The collage of you guys being btfo for the third time will be pretty damn funny