Ultra Beasts ARE Pokémon

>>28523074
>saying this when they don't even have cries
sure thing bud

>>28523074
Literally grasping at straws.

Bait harder.

>>28523106
>>saying this when they don't even have cries
UB-01 literally makes a cry in the English trailer that revealed it.

>>28523106
UB-01 has a cry
look at the trailer
the UB-02 ´trailer doesnt even have sound besides the music

If UBs are not pokemon, why are they in the pokedex?

>>28523074
Wow, this proves it once and for all. Great catch!

>>28523117
It's more valid than any of the arguments that they're not Pokémon.

>>28523074
Quick making up rules

UB-01 is not listed as a Pokemon on the Pokemon Sun Moon website

>>28523147
Source???

>>28523124
But it didn't. It made a noise when it appeared from its portal, but it didn't have an introduction cry.

>>28523196
It's not a rule, it's an observation of the trailers. If Team Skull or the Aether Foundation had this effect when they were revealed there wouldn't be an argument.

>>28523182
That's because people saying they're not pokemon have no argument and are talking out of their ass

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>>28523074
>this thread

>>28523224
Due to story purposes

>>28523224
Because you're supposed to be uncertain about what they are.

>>28523074
If Ultra Beasts were Pokémon they'd be called Pokémon.

Otherwise, humans are Pokémon too.

>>28523527
Oh my God, Stupid people in /vp even reddit is smarter. Of course you will catch them and if its not possible GF will reaveal that shortly after. The disappointment would be enormous and that for no reason. So many kids deciding which version to buy cause of those damn bugs, just to find that you cant even catch this cool looking swolesquito. Pokemon are monsters, these ultra beasts are monsters from another dimension or future, so of course with a bit of research, you will be tasked to beat and capture them at some point to save the islands from this invasion. Damn retards in here, just think from a gaming perspective for a second and you have your anwser.

>>28523592
kids aren't going to shoot themselves because they can't catch UB-02 Expansion. Kids aren't going to care because they're not catching monsters, they're catching Pokemon. This is like saying kids are getting upset because they have to play as a little white dweeb instead of one of the cool gym leaders or other major characters. I'm pretty most of them don't.

>>28523592
translation:
>i really hope you can catch them so of course you can!

>>28523074
Ultra Beasts are Mega Evolutions of trainers.

>>28523899
>they're not catching monsters
The series is called Pocket Monsters in Japan.

>Official source says it's gen 7
>retards say it's gen 6.5
>Official source say these guys aren't pokemon
>retards say they are pokemon
Sometimes I wonder how you guys manage to fill in the captcha.

>>28523106
Alolans don't have cries either.

>>28523074
>muh patterns

>>28523985
Not all monsters are Pocket Monsters. That's why they have the qualifier of being a pocket monster. I actually thought I said "You don't catch monsters, you catch pocket monsters" but I guess I didn't. I meant to because the point remains 100% intact either way and I know that people will pull that.

>>28523182
If they're pokémon, why aren't they listed as such on the website?

>>28523994
>Official source say these guys aren't pokemon

Not that I'm doubting you, but where does it say this?

>>28523899
These ultra beasts got advertised in the same vein as other pokemon of that region, if /vp of all places is losing their shit cause of it, i think kids and even other adult casuals will be pretty excited to capture these strong looking humanoid pokemon. GF will have to give a short heads up and make it clear that these arent pokemon and instead antagonists otherwise i can see a lot of people getting mad about it, seeing that these ultra beasts will take a important role in the story.

>>28523527
According to DPPt lore humans used to be Pokémon.

>>28523994

Forget that, they being able to write is surprising.

>>28523256
That's literally a cry

>>28523958
I dont even play pokemon since about 10 years just here to chime in a bit for nostalgias sake. May get this new one who knows. But some people are getting quite delusional here just to be right.

>>28524084
This. Not to mention they're making these complex models for one-off boss battles in one game. Ultra Beasts are a waste of time if you can't catch them.

>>28524134
Acting like it's been confirmed either way is delusional. At present, the only answer to "can you catch them?" is "we just don't know yet".

>>28524084
>These ultra beasts got advertised in the same vein as other pokemon of that region, i
No they aren't. They have their own page and everything seperate from all the pokemon. I'm veyr, very close to 100% certain that almost no kid who watched it even noticed how the official art was transitioned into the trailer if that's what you meant.

And to most people here at least, nothing short of the official site actually saying with words "Ultra Beasts are not Pokemon" is a good enough "nod" to imply these are "just" antagonist NPCs.

>>28524084

/vp/ losing their shit should not be an indication of anything other than extremely high levels of concentrated autism.

>>28524147
Just as much time as they wasted on designing the PokéStudios opponents, except that was even more of a waste since it was optional.

>>28524147
Maybe they're just trying to diverge from the usual critter collecting formula and getting closer to typical RPGs with bosses, quests and whatever.

I have a feeling they intentionally stoked the ambiguity so it'd be shocking when you find out you can actually catch them.

>>28524147
They made models for trainers too. Is it a waste to do that? How about in all the other video games ever where most bosses are just bosses? Is it a waste making exclusive graphics for them?

>>28524077
The website does not list them as pokémon.

>>28523527
Humans probably are pokemon. But just as there is no PETA giving a fuck about kids fighting with animals for funs sake, there are no scientists or criminals developing balls that could capture humans. Its a kids game and to imply humans were pokemon would just hurt sales and image for no reason.

>>28524147
Have you ever played a video-game in your life? Making special models for one-off bosses is the norm.

>>28524188
I agree, just leaning heavily to the proabably "yea" side of the argument.

>>28523074

>>28523074
Rock salt with water goby

>>28524252
>Humans probably are pokemon.
They actually 100% word of god aren't, at least not anymore in terms of in-universe evolution.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/11/23/pok-233-mon-39-s-burning-questions.aspx
>In the same way humans in our world are a type of animal, are humans in the Pokémon world a form of Pokémon?

>Masuda: Humans are definitely separate from Pokémon. The way you think about it is different than how we think about animals in relation to humans on Earth. For example, on Earth we have mammals and reptiles all these different categories. In the world of Pokémon, they are all Pokémon. We don’t really categorize them in exactly that way. It’s kind of a different way of looking at it. So yeah, humans are definitely separate from Pokémon. For example, humans can’t learn four different moves like a Pokémon can.

>>28524309
Also re-reading this interview reminds me of how pointless interviews like this are. There so many practical non answers that it was a waste of time to even have it.

>>28524196
I know you need that mystery aspect, people will get excited and question that. But if they dont make these be able to capture, i can already smell the outrage. People are getting quite entitled and sensitive about their games nowadays and these sentiments spread so fast cause everyone is on the net now. I am just saying GF should make it somwhow clear in the next few weeks that ultra beasts are not catchable maybe give them a voice or more character.

>>28524218
Thats also reasonable but people wont take it that way. They have to make them appear as characters with their own agenda and personality cause for now most people are either hyped to capture them or not depending on if they like the design.

>>28524379
Only outrage will be from enfranchised fans on the internet. The primary target audience of pokemon will not give a fuck. They have no reason to give a fuck. Why do WE even give a fuck whether these monsters are the same kind of monster as these other kind of monsters? We don't dwell on what the exact difference between people and pokemon is even though we know they are different things. Neither do kids. It will be the exact same deal here. A kid has no reason to assume every monster is a pocket monster if the game presents them as not pocket monsters.

>>28524309
Well thats the anwser i expected in my post. But he did seem to not think much about the realism and implications in the pokemon world so its quite pointless to theorize about that. For now Humans=not Pokemon even if it makes no sense but realism is not the reason why people love these games so much.

>>28524071
Because it's going to be a surprise during the plot/post game

>>28524233
The Japanese site doesn't list Tapu Kokonomiyaki as a legendary, either.

>>28524690
Because it's not

>>28524808
>Zygarde isn't a legendary
ok

>>28524690
that's because it's not a legendary, it's an island guardian that literally everyone living on that island has probably met/seen

and this trailer didn't reveal a pokemon battle btw, this trailer revealed a UB attacking Hala and Tapu Koko coming down from the sky to defend him, stop shilling your misinformed opinions as facts when we don't know if these will be catchable or not. At this point there's more evidence to assume that they WILL NOT be catchable by them not being listed in the section reserved for pokemon on the official sites. Plus the fact that the description of them states that they are a THREAT to humans AND Pokemon, further seperating them from ever being pokemon

>>28524835
Are you retarded?

Zygarde has no similiaries to Tapu Koko

>>28524690
>>28524808
How did this even get a reply? In what world does this have any correlation? UB aren't categorized with Pokemon. Tapu Koko not being categorized as a legendary pokemon is totally unrelated issue.

>>28524233
Too be fair, that could be for story purposes. Citizen Kane wasn't promoted with the ushers telling people as they sat down in the cinema for the first time "Oh yeah, Rosebud was his sled by the by."

For me, it's just a toss in the air whether they are or aren't but I hope they are because UB-01 is cute, Expansion is cool, I want to fuck Beauty, and I would love to have all three.

>>28524218
>>28524444

Why can't they be both? After all, you could catch the bosses in Rune Factory 4.

>>28524955
This is same kind of conspiracy theory as someone knowing about Mallow and creating fake starters around her to leak. If they were pokemon they would have just said they were Pokemon. What reason do they have to hide this. They say Pokemon are special all the time. The mystery would then be what makes it special, not whether or not it is a Pokemon. It's not like it would detract from some mystery. its technically possible but highly improbable. doesn't necessarily mean you won't be able to catch and use them but it's a real grasp to think they're trying to trick us.

>>28523994
If you keep getting the Captcha wrong it occasionaly just gives up.

>>28525001
It's BEEN both.

>>28524874
Zygarde forms are listed together with Tapu Koko

retard

>MUH PATTERNS

/vp/ why are you still doing this

>>28525038
patterns never lie

>>28525074
Enjoying Pokémon Gray and Pokémon Z?

>>28524658
Yeah because
>Oh they're just generic pokemon
Is a good surprise.

>>28525074
>guys, they won't end Gen 6 without giving Kalos another game, that doesn't make any sense!

>>28525074
Except with RSE remakes in gen 5, Gray, Z, 6.5 and so on.

>>28525074
until they do

>>28525237
patterns being wrong is itself a pattern

just take what seems obvious and that follows a known pattern, then reverse it BOOM instant truth

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>>28523074

We already know that Ultra Beasts are not Pocket Monsters.

Ultra Beasts are threat to Pokémon and Human.

>>28525002
>What reason do they have to hide this.

To keep some mystery about them so people have a reason to pay attention to the story. They could be something entirely new, they could be pokemon from some entirely different dimension, we don't know. Why don't we know? Because they didn't tell us. And can you guess that's what made all of us do?

Anticipate the game even more so we can get an answer to the mystery dangling in front of our faces. I know I personally want the games even more now because I really want to see what the Ultra Beasts actually are. They've hooked me with a PLOT element. An element that, frankly, Pokemon has always been rather shitty with. An element that never hyped me for prior generations. But I certainly am now.

I'm not saying they're trying to trick us, I'm saying they promoting a story and get people to see it.

>>28523074
Solgaleo, Lunala, Pikipek, Yungoos, and Grubbin didn't have that effect, it was entirely different. Guess that means they aren't Pokemon either.

And while we're at it, the starters didn't even have ANY effects, just just slid into view. Definitely not Pokemon.

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If Deoxys can be a Pokemon, then why can't they? I dunno, I'd personally like being able to use them...

>>28525825
Consider this: Every monster that lives in the Pokemon Dimension is a pokemon. Even Giratina because while he lives in the Distortion World he was created in the Pokemon World. Pokemon aren't just earth inhabitants, aliens are pokemon too, and according to lore, even humans are Pokemon.

But something from another dimension with no origins in the pokemon world? Not a pokemon.

>>28525898
Not a Pokemon =/= not catchable

>>28525898
I see your point I guess, even if I feel it's a little restrictive. I'll still try to be hopeful because I think they're really cool and would like to use them, but if turns out this is the first time we see something non-human we can't use I'd still be happy they exist.

>>28523074
>breaks a plate
>breaks a leg
I guess legs are plates according to OP

>>28524134
Then why are you getting so assblasted?

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>>28523074

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>>28524658

>>28525001
>This relevant at all
The straw grabbing game strong.

>>28525516
>To keep some mystery
>Mystery
>Pokemon
New Pokemon Mystery Dungeon confirmed.

>>28524134
>Nostalgiafag
>Wanting to catch these
This is bait

>>28523106
What if they can talk instead of making animal-monster noises?

>>28523147
What Pokedex?
In Japanese/US Official Website, UBs in their own separated section.

>>28524084
>GF will have to give a heads up and make it clear....
But anon, that's exactly what they have been doing, you just won't accept it. They made a new section for them on the website and announced that "a new threat is invading alola and threatening the existence of both humans and pokemon". They are clearly NOT pokemon, they don't look like pokemon and are way overpowered.

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>>28523074
hahahaha keep denying it niggah

they're not pokemon. At best they're humans fused with pokemon (hence the french name and the similarities to some npcs we've seen)

they are pokemon probably different forms of the same pokemon like deoxys or evolution of UB 1

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>>28523074
So I guess these two are your favourite Pokemon this generation?

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>>28523074
Guess the box legendaries aren't even Pokemon, what a twist!

>>28529120
Ok somehow I missed that when checking the older trailers. I will admit this was a false lead. While I still believe Ultra Beasts to be Pokémon I was wrong about this being a sign of that fact.

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>>28529211

They are Pokémon.

>>28523147

False.

>>28523348
both sides of this argument are people pulling shit out of their ass

>>28523348

Why is so hard for you accept that other creatures besides exist in Pokémon Universe?

>>28523348
if theyre pokemon then why are they called ultra beasts?

>>28523147
False beyond words.

>>28523348
>Implying people who are calling them pokemon are any better, let alone having no evidence while theres evidence that they're not pokemon.

>>28529977
It's more that they'd be using them as part of the game's marketing. There are version exclusive Ultra Beasts, they're going to be a selling point to someone and if they realize they can't catch them there's going to be disappointment. It makes no sense from a marketing point of view.

>>28530288

I won't be disappointed.

I mean. We were only meant to capture Pokémon.

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>>28530188

Nice image.

:)

>>28530359
You may not think they're Pokémon but plenty of people do. They've been intentionally vague about them. This will lead to people who are looking forward to catching them.

>>28530493

The Official website didn't listed them as Pokémon.

>>28530509
It also doesn't state that they aren't Pokémon. That's what I mean by being vague.

>>28530539

It said they are threat to Pokémon and Human.


This is evidence that they don't consider them as Pokémon.

>>28530612
No that simply means they're a threat to them. That phrase clearly exists to create speculation. It can be interpreted as meaning that they're neither Pokémon or human but it can also be interpreted as just being a threat.

My theory is that they won't be considered Pokémon until the end of the game and that will be when you gain the ability to catch them.

>>28530727

If they consider them as Pokémon.

They would said they are threat to other Pokémon and Human.

Enough foolish.

Accept it and move on.

They are not Pokémon.

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>they unironically made a Rich Piana pokemon

>>28530727

Fun fact: Animals exist in the Pokémon Universe.


Pokémon are not the only specie in the Pokémon Universe.

I think you'll be able to use them, you'll just need to use an alternate "catching" method, probably post-game
So, instead of coming from a pokeball, they just open a warpgate hole and land onto the battlefield, and when they get KO'd they return.

>>28530793
Except part of the hype for the Ultra Beasts is that mystery element. Are they Pokémon? That's a question people are asking and I have a feeling it's a question the characters will be asking in-game too.

>>28524071
Literally this why are people even arguing

>>28530866

No. They are not Pokémon.

Accept it and move on.

>>28530821
Animals aren't being used as a selling point and reason to pick one version over the other.

>>28530884
That's the conclusion you've come to but until they actually give us a clear answer mine is just as valid as yours. If the clear answer is that they're not then I'll accept it and move on, will you if you're the one in the wrong?

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>>28530909

Doesn't matter. Animals exist in Pokémon Universe on Pokémon Earth.

Pokémon are not only specie in Pokémon Universe.

Game freak introduce a another specie and you can't accept it.

Animals, Pokémon and now Ultra Beasts.

>>28530975

If the Official website don't consider them as Pokémon.

If it did. It would have said so.

>>28530992
I can accept it just fine but I also know when something is being depicted as a mystery.

>>28531017
Because not knowing if they're Pokémon or not is the point. Listing them as Pokémon would take away any uncertainty because of course they're Pokémon they're right there in the Pokémon section. But by having them separate but not explicitly stated that they're not Pokémon it make people wonder what they are. Are they Pokémon? Maybe, maybe not.