I liked Pokemon Origins.

Me too, broski.

I also enjoyed it. How did Nintendo do it?

everyone did except people that hate gen 1

here too

>inb4 Jolteon

>>28513101
I like it but they condensed it too much. It needed to be at least one ep per badge, one for the SS Anne, one for Lavender Tower/Casino, one for Silph co, two (split) for the E4 and one for the birds, wrapping up with Mewtwo.

15 eps would have been utterly perfect.

>>28513101
I did too OP you're not alone.

>>28513145
I "hate" gen 1 because it is broken as fuck, and the remakes weren't very well done. Which is why I am hoping the story gets redone one more time on 3DS, with some nice postgame added.

>>28513145
That's the most of /vp/'s population.

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Look at those fucking faces, jesus christ.

>>28513218
>most
You wish, Sinnhoe.

>>28513266
It's true. everybody here hates Gen I and sucks Gen V's dick like no tomorrow.

>>28513101
>I liked an objectively better written, animated, voice acted pokemon anime
Gee, what a confession. I just wish it was longer. Even better would be if it was a full-length series and not just 4 episodes or whatever.

>>28513198
>le storyline isn't up to par

It was cute. I got a few chuckles out of them putting in stuff like "wanna give it a nickname" or "you can't catch other trainers pokemon" or the variety of other tidbits.

Though Red being a literal retard and knowing less about Pokemon and catching them than a fucking six year old was stupid

>>28513304
Just because the majority of people hate genwunners doesn't mean we hate gen 1. I have never seen anyone claim to hate it here

>>28513325
>written
It was literally Gen 1's "story."

>animated
What was "objectively" bad about the animation, Anon? Tell me. Show me.

>voice acted
What was "objectively" bad about the voice acting, Anon? Tell me.

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>>28513304
As long as Gen 6 exists Gen 1 will never be the definitive WORST generation. That's life, kiddo.

>>28513370
>What was "objectively" bad about the voice acting, Anon? Tell me.
He's probably a dubfag. The regular anime dub is ass, but nobody with a brain watches dubs anyway

>>28513304
Eh. Both are overrated in my eyes. Gen 1 was the original, but flawed on so many levels (but thankfully it was the one game where legendaries were truly optional.)

Gen 5 was decent but 2 full main games in the same region left us with very few surprises, no new legendaries, and most of the hyping was for a handful of new forms - it was far from bad, but even if it truly is the crowning achievement of the Pokemon games it still leaves something to be desired.

Plus fucking with the level curve was fucking cancer, seriously. Sure, the main game was more interesting, but training anything over 50 was like pulling teeth even with Audino. Completely unnecessary to make it so extreme. There has to be a middle ground where the curve doesn't favour low level Pokemon so ridiculously over high level Pokemon.

>>28513408
The dub for Origins isn't even bad, though.

>>28513370
>>28513408
Not him, but are you two unable to read? He is saying that Origins has better story, VA, and animation than the main animr. You are attacking someone who agrees with you.

>>28513326
Gen 1's story was just fine. The lack of any decent postgame sucked all the fun out of it though.

A few tweaks here and there and a decent postgame and you have a fun game.

>>28513436
What the fuck did you say about me, kid?
Tell me, right now, what's bad about Pokemon Origins?
You can't. No one can. Not a single person.

>>28513326
So if you put "le" in front of a fact, that makes it untrue?

>le Earth is round

>>28513218
Not really, most just hate genwunners

>>28513458
But there was a single bad thing (unless you hate megas, in which case there are two things): it was too fucking short.

>>28513466
Nothing wrong with the story bub. Not everything has to be [evil team tries to capture legendary for evil use]

>>28513218
Nobody hates gen 1. Everyone hates Genwunners.

>>28513436
Are YOU unable to read?
Origins doesn't have much of a story.
The animation is objectively worse than XY.
The voice acting is on the exact same level unless you're dragging the dub into things, and the quality of a dub of a product has nothing to do with the quality of the product itself.

>>28513498
I can read fine. Nobody ever said anything about the main anime being badly done.

>>28513498
Wow. This is a really embarrassing post.

>>28513531
How? Can you counter any of that?

>>28513547
Don't need to counter it. Your embarrassment stands on its own.

>>28513498
What does that shit have to do with reading?

>>28513101
Best anime in this frachise. It´s almost perfect. 10/10 Masterpiece

>>28513575
The two people you said were "attacking someone that agreed with them" did not agree with the guy they "attacked".
Origins doesn't have a a better story than the main anime, it doesn't have better voice acting, and it sure as hell doesn't have better animation

>>28513623
Autism.

>>28513650
wew

>>28513623
But they were agreeing with him. They got mad, thinking he was shitting on Origin's story, VA, and animation, when he was actually saying Origin did it better than the main anime.

Learn to read.

>>28513720
>when he was actually saying Origin did it better than the main anime
And they were saying that was wrong.

>>28513623
It just doesn't stop. Nigga go back to Portuguese, or whatever language you spoke before English.

Origins was good, people are just too cucked for Ash on this board.

in reality they just wanna be contrarian like the edgy faggots they are

>>28513720
I was the second guy, and I was saying Origins did none of those things better than the main anime. Are you just shitposting or genuinely retarded?

>>28513750
No they weren't. See >>28513370
Where he says that it was literally gen one's story, then asked what was wrong with the animation and VA.

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>>28513436
>>28513531
>>28513574
>>28513650
>>28513720
>>28513757


Originfags, everyone.

>>28513778
Rekt >>28513776

>>28513776
Cool lies.

So how was XY literally gen 1's story?

>>28513795
Autism, everyone.

>>28513803
I am that second guy, actually. Origin was thw better anime, I was just mistaken on what the first guy said.

>>28513813
What? I was saying XY had better story that Origins, not that XY told gen 1's story better than Origins did.

>>28513861
what the fuck? how does gen 1 have a better story than origin? youre a fucking idiot m8

IMO it needed to be a full series. There's just way too much they crammed into four 25 minute episodes, so everything felt too rushed. I liked it a lot, though. I just felt that it would have been better if it was longer. Also has the sexiest version of Giovanni

>>28513861
Dude, that is word for word what he said.

>origin's story is better, along with everything else

Then "you":
>the story was gen 1 story, how was everything else in it bad?

someone post the rhyhorn webm

it's pretty much obligatory in every origins thread

So are Originsfags just genuinely retarded or do they just switch to spamming nonsense when they realize they don't have any arguments?

>>28513909
>post the thing xD
Ashime fans, everyone.

>>28513861
This is how retarded you are. Read this post. You are fucking nuts.

>>28513760
This

>>28513957
>anti origin fags can't read for shit, and instead claim others aren't making sense
I guess that's why they prefer an anime for 5 year olds...

>>28513907
XY has a better story than Origins
XY has better animation than Origins
XY and Origins have voice acting of the exact same quality.

There's everything spelled out for you.

>>28513101
It was ok until the X wank started

>>28514051
>X wank
I hate people like you.
Charizard X appears for no more than 2 minutes and that's someone how "wank."
Fucking retarded.

>>28513964
you're mad it makes origins look bad

>>28514045
That isn't what this>>28513370 post says or implies. That is everything spelled out for you. Beither it nor the post it quoted actually brought up the main anime, Origins was the only subject. This has been a free lesson in reading English, just for you.

>>28514110
Except it doesn't. I don't even see it anywhere in this thread to make anything look bad, friendo.

R.I.P thread, you were once good and not full of shitposting.

It was good for about 30 seconds.
Then it became a rushed pile of shit. The animation was shit, especially the Pokemon. And every battle consisted of Charizard tanking a hot that should've KO'd him, and hitting back harder. There was no artistry to it, and the plot was just a ridiculously condensed version of the game plot.
It should've been at least 12 episodes, and they should've given the animators time to work.

>>28514278
>The animation was shit
Show me good animation. I dare you.

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>>28514149
i'll post it then

>>28514278
gr8 b8

>>28514278
>The animation was shit

I can´t even take this seriously. How can someone say that animation was bad? This is why >>28513760

>>28513101
The only problems I had with it could have been fixed by a higher budget and more attention which are entirely forgivable.

I'm very much looking forward to Generations. Hopefully that will be popular enough to get them to do more.

>>28513370
>Story makes good writing

Anybody who's written a screenplay knows it's dialogue. That's why Quentin Tarantino is successful.

>>28514932
What's bad about this exactly?

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>>28516141
It looks lazy and makes Red look like a dumbass. Of course Charizard is the one that has to save the day

>>28515085
Just look at the OP picture. Faces are too wide, just looks off

>>28516187
>It looks lazy
How?
>and makes Red look like a dumbass
How??? Giovanni is literally talking about how he's making all the right choices during those scenes.
How can you be this stupid?

>>28513101
It's shit. Only decent part is no Ash.

>>28516222
Art style != animation

What's next? Are you going to call models sprites?

>>28516226
It looks lazy because rather than actually demonstrating Rhyhorn/Giovanni making good calls and decimating Red's whole team, it's just a bunch of quick shots of Rhyhorn hitting each of Red's pokemon a single time and them going down in one hit whether the move would be particularly effective or not. Except Kabutops, who at least took two hits. It looks like it barely grazes Snorlax, a pretty bulky pokemon, and he's instantly KOd. It's stupid.

>>28516337
This is one of the most petty complaints I've ever read.
Congratulations.

>>28516366
Ok? I like Origins and that was my first post here, but a Rhyhorn taking out five Pokemon in six attacks without doing anything clever or interesting at all, just running at them or shooting an electric attack, is a pretty lame battle. Why is Jolteon fainted in one hit by an electric attack?

>>28516366
>I know you are what am I!

>>28516449
>Why is Jolteon fainted in one hit by an electric attack?
It's explained in the episode, which you would know if you actually watched.
Red's Pokemon are low level, so Giovanni can easily OHKO them.

It's not even ultimately important. Giovanni defeating everything in a single hit is meant to show how good of a trainer Giovanni is. Story telling isn't their to stroke your dick and tell how you think the battle should go.

>>28516483
That's not what that post said at all, Anon.
Learn English before trying to post, please.

>>28513171

Agreed, anon.

>>28516226
How can you defend this shitty writing is beyond me

>>28516573
They're shorts. Each gym battle isn't going to be a feature length film.

Can no one enjoy anything on /vp/ or are you all too concerned with being contrarian?

>>28516496
In other words, shitty writing is shitty writing. You are all sucking Red's dick yet you say his Pokémon are all low leveled like he doesn't train them except Charizard.

>>28516597
Just because they're shorts doesn't mean they can't be good. Origins isn't bad but it is severely overrated

>People enjoying something
>on /vp/
Have I stumbled into a bizzaro thread?

>>28513101
Me too. Red was kind of annoying, though. Very generic.

>>28516630
How is that shitty writing?
Who's sucking Red's dick?

>>28516648
>Just because they're shorts doesn't mean they can't be good.
That doesn't mean anything nor does it address the point I made.

>>28516666
>That doesn't mean anything nor does it address the point I made.
The post you replied to referred to you or someone else asking another poster how they can defend the shitty Origins writing and you said because they're shorts.
You're defending Origins' shitty writing because they have short episodes. I'm saying just because a series is short doesn't mean it can't be good. You basically agreed that Origins has shitty writing. Learn to read and comprehend

>>28516738
Wow. You're stupid.

The post saying "How can you defend shitty writing?" is replying to another post. Saying, "They're shorts," wasn't saying, "They're shorts so the writing is allowed to be bad lol."
The point was that what, presumably, was being called "bad writing" had to do with condensed gym battles and the "writing" involved with them.
They're not going to have an hour long feature where Red levels up his Pokemon to indicate that he's too low level for Giovanni.

>>28516808
>still defending shitty writing

>>28516842
(You)

>>28516141
Are you retarded you nigger? A fucking rhyhorn is OHKO a Jolteon with fucking thunderbolt. If you don't see the problem with this you need to leave underage shitter. This is aim for the horn tier shit.

>>28516927
>Are you retarded you nigger? A fucking rhyhorn is OHKO a Jolteon with fucking thunderbolt.
And, guess what, "nigger?" Red specifically says in the episode, "How could my Jolteon die to an electric attack like that?" to which Giovanni explains that his Pokemon are too low level.

Do you not realize they do that on purpose? They wanted to show that Giovanni's Rhyhorn was that much better than Red's Pokemon by having Jolteon die in one hit to an attack it resists.

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>>28516977
>>28516927
I liked Origins but the thunderbolt can't be defended IMO

You can make the case that it takes place in Gen 1, but then why is there Megas? You can make the case that it has it's Hidden Ability I guess, but we don't know if he had access to that.

>>28517044
Who said Red's Jolteon even had Volt Absorb? Why does it matter?
You're really grasping at straws at this point.

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>>28517044
This retarded shit can't be defended
Rhyhorn literally cannot ohko jolteon without a crit no matter what level

>>28517083
This is with a crit by the way

>>28517083
>using a damage calculator
We've gone full retard now.

>>28517076
Holy shit you're telling me I'm grasping at straws? Says the Origins fag trying to desperately convince everyone that this shitty Charizard fanfic is good

>>28517076
I'm not the guy who's bashing it, but I'm saying the thunderbolt really can't be defended unless you say Jolteon has its hidden ability

>>28517163
It CAN be defended because it's not a video game. It's not completely following the logic of games.
Giovanni's Rhyhorn OHKOing Jolteon with Thunderbolt is meant to show the power difference between Giovanni's Pokemon and Red's. It's a story convention.
What's next are you going to complain about the Brock gym battle where Onix destroys String Shot except for one tiny piece which caused it to only be a tiny bit slower?

You're like the idiots who talk about "OU mons" on Ash's team in the Ashime.

>>28513101
fuckign this gen 1 is tha bedt XxD!!!1!

>>28513101
I did too, was a nice journey.

>that one retard defending t-bolt from rhyhorn OHKO Jolteon
>defending the Charizard commercial
>grasping straws so far away to defend it

Jesus, why is this board filled with underage faggotry?

>>28517331
>>28517542
(You)

>>28517561
>being this assmad

>>28513101
I didn't like how origins was just a big mega evolution advetisement. I'm worried generations is just going to be a Z-move advertisement.

>>28513101
Hey, I liked it too. Red's Charizard was full of bullshit though, beating that Rhydon and Blastoise. But I could overlook that since Charizard is my favorite Pokemon.

>>28517243
>It's a story convention.
That doesn't make it good. Look, anon, I enjoyed Origins. It's the best adaptation we have. But it has rushed moments, and dumb moments. You have to learn to critize good things.

You don't jabe to be 100% like the game, just coherent. I watched Origins with some friends that only watched the old anime, never played the game, and guss what. They thought the moment was stupid too.

>>28517785
*it doesn't have to be 100%

Idek what I'm writing anymore.

>>28513445
We did get Yellow, Snap, and Stadium at least. That, the "catch em all" gimmick, the TCG, and link battles kept it reasonably fresh until the Gen 2 hype.

>>28517785
>You have to learn to critize good things.
You're no better than them.
They specifically used Thunderbolt and Jolteon to emphasize Giovanni's skill/power over Red's.
That's the end of it.
There's no grasping at straws with damage calculators and what-ifs with abilities.
If you're going to "criticize" the shorts for not following game mechanics to the tee, then you don't really understand the point of visual media.

>They thought the moment was stupid too.
Your anecdote about your friends means absolutely nothing.

It was a pretty fun adaptation of the gen 1 games and actually answered some question like how gym leaders scale their Pokemon depending on someone's number of badges. Don't get how fans of the normal Pokemon anime think it's better than origins, Red atleast accomplished something.

>>28516337
>I don't know how horn drill works
>the games totally aren't about 1-2 hit kills
>why isn't jolteon just aiming for the horn! Red should have tossed water onto Rhyhorn! XD

Didn't enjoy a minute of it because I was angry it wasn't a fully fledged anime every second I watched.

>>28517880
>actually answered some question like how gym leaders scale their Pokemon depending on someone's number of badges.
B2W2 did that two years earlier.

>>28513101
I thought it sucked

>The art style was awful and washed out, didn't fit the Pokemon universe at all
>Mediocre animation apart from 1 or 2 fights
>Even then, the fights themselves were too game-like, the anime actually includes some liberty in the way fights are choreographed, while Pokemon Origin just makes them trade shots until the fight is finished
>Red himself looks like shit, his face looks retarded or something, nothing like the Ken Sugimori art from FRLG
>Giving Charmander to Ash was just needless Genwun pandering, it made much more sense for Charizard to go to Green and Red getting Bulbasaur like Pokespe
>More Xzard dick sucking as if it couldn't get any worse

>>28513101
I rewatched it recently. I really enjoyed it. I had just gotten a puppy a week or so before. I wasn't ready for the Hydro Pump of feels the Lavender episode elicited from me.

>>28517858
>They specifically used Thunderbolt and Jolteon to emphasize Giovanni's skill/power over Red's. That's the end of it.

Yes, dumbass, we know WHY they did it, you don't need to explain it every time. We are saying here that was a bad writing choice. The anecdote is to show that it has nothing with damage calculators and fanatism to the game. Even to a new viewer, it was incoherent and stupid.

You sound like those BvS idiots who say we didn't like MUH MARTA because we didn't understand it.

>>28518066
>We are saying here that was a bad writing choice.
Except it's not.
Only people who obsess over the fact that it's not 100% like the game think it's a bad writing choice.

>Even to a new viewer, it was incoherent and stupid.
Except it isn't.

>>28518203
>Except it isn't.
Oh wow, what an amazing argument. I better watch out or you'll burn me badly.

>>28518326
And yours was better? A baseless statement like that?
You're deluded.

>>28513101
>Ash anime > Red Anime

>>28513101
I'm really glad it exists and overjoyed we're getting more stuff like it.

>>28513171
What story potential is there for the SS Anne? It's pretty much just there to get Cut.

>>28518419
Yeah no, fuck off

>>28519285
Probably explain blue's dead ratatta

>>28517076
If mega evolutions are a thing then there's no excuse for the lack of abilities here. It's literally origins "aim for the horn" moment.

>>28518203
It's a literal adaption of the games and it's main purpose was that it's supposed to be way more faithful than the main anime. It doesn't even take many liberties in the battles, yet you defend moments like this with "i-its not 100% like the game guys!"? Christ, you're a moron.

>>28516302
There is no such thing as "Art Style". I'm an art graduate and just take my word for it, art can't be styled.

I liked it.

I don't like the Ashnime.

/myhotopinion

>>28521267
>There is no such thing as "Art Style". I'm an art graduate and just take my word for it, art can't be styled.

>>28516630
>In other words, shitty writing is shitty writing. You are all sucking Red's dick yet you say his Pokémon are all low leveled like he doesn't train them except Charizard.

No, we identify with Red because lots of people did exactly that in their first pokemon game: leveled up nothing but their starter, kept the "cool/rare" pokemon they found through special in-game events, and ended up with a shitty team as a result.

>>28521676
This.

>>28521676
>tfw it's true

>Charizard
>Lapras
>Snorlax
>Pidgeot/Legendary bird
>Mewtwo
>Safari zone catch of the day

Every kid's team back then.

>>28513495
nah, there is a lot of genwun hates thread once in a while

I liked that Brock had a wide selection of pokemon and specifically chose some low level ones based on the fact that Red had no badges. Makes the early gym leaders seem less laughable and that they do have a wide variety of pokemon. It's explored a bit in BW2 I think when Cheren says weakening yourself based on your opponent is hard and that he'd much rather have his main team.

>>28521937
>Lapras
Who the hell used that?
Gyarados and Kababra/Alakazam were staples

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>>28513466
>implying the earth isn't flat
Literally confirmed by the Church, denialfags on heresywatch.

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>>28522126

Lapras was a very popular choice with it being given to you and all. The Eevolutions too.

>>28521937

>Venusaur nicknamed "Bulba"
>Vaporeon
>Butterfree
>Ditto (used my masterball on it)
>Marowak
>Machoke

I failed to catch Snorlax. I didn't even know what legendarily were, so when I stumbled upon Articuno, I failed to catch it. I went over a year or so before learning about Mewtwo.

>>28513445
Just play FireRed, faggotron. There's no reason to ever play gen 1 again.

>>28522126

You say this now because you know the game. But rewind back to when you're a 12 year old playing Pokemon for the first time ever, and not everyone has the internet, so you're calling the Nintendo 1800 line for help...

Yeah, a lot of people used Lapras on their first play through.

Nobody used Gyrados because you didn't know it evolved from Magikarp, and even if you did know, Magikarp sucked so much in battle that you didn't have the patience to get it to whatever level it needed to evolve.

And to get a Kadabra, you had to first catch an Abra (frustrating to a complete newbie) and also train that fucker up like you did with Magikarp.

It was much easier and less frustrating to just power through battles with your starter, who was probably level 20 or 30 by now.

Plus, Abra and Magikarp didn't look very cool.

Origins isn't good, and you don't need to compare it to the original anime to reach that conclusion. The reasons why:

- It's poorly paced. Even ignoring the condensing its latter half consists of just farting out game events because they're game events and it happens mechanically rather than organically. Meanwhile the episodes that don't do this are slow and tedious.
- Red's character is a fucking robot and after the first episode does nothing but play the role of the game protag. They say he loves Pokemon and wants to be with them, but he does shit like catching a wild Fearow instead of evolving the Spearow he already has, showing he treats the Pokemon he supposedly loves as d filler. And he contemplates beating Chansey with a rock because lol that's what you did in the Safari Zone instead of being true to what the special wants you to think about his character.
- Every. Fucking. Fight. Is. The. Same. Every single battle that counts in this mess comes down to Red's team being unceremoniously and one sidedly being beaten down until Charizard can come back from the brink and win decisively.
- It breaks its rules of being truer to the games with stupid shit like Giovanni's Rhyhorn taking down a fucking Jolteon with an electric attack.
- That weird mishmash of aesthetics from Gen 1 and the FRLG remakes that makes its design and style skitzophrenic.

I'm sure lots of people will reply to this with "B-B-But the ashnime!", but I don't care about that show. On its own terms, as its own animal, Origins is bland at best, and weak, mechanical, and artless at worst.

>>28522293

Both Snorlax? Even with a Butterfree and a Venosaur? Damn man. Still not as bad as my friend who couldn't get through the dark cave and had a Charizard at level 42 by the time I showed him the way out.

>>28522402
I did. My original team was Venusaur, Pidgeot, Gyarados, Kadabra, Snorlax and Mewtwo.

>>28522414

I didn't bother with that sleep shit. I just killed everything with Vine Whip/Razor Leaf.

I didn't bother with status effects at all in my first play through.

I was the very first person I knew to get it back in 99, though. It was also my first RPG ever. I eventually became the best player in town, but by then, I started getting "too old for Pokemon" and moved on.

>>28513198
Sevii islands 4 to 7 were great. Sure, they could have been a little longer, but it was a MASSIVE improvement over the originals.

>tfw you went through gen 1-3 in your elementary school days, starting with pre-school all the way to sixth grade.

What a wild ride it was.

>>28522498
>I did. My original team was Venusaur, Pidgeot, Gyarados, Kadabra, Snorlax and Mewtwo.

Well yeah, AFTER the fact.

But unless you had experience with RPGs, were older, or had a guide, you went to face the Elite 4 with a shitty roster and skipped over the pokemon that were really crappy in their unevolved forms.

>>28522065
Gym Leaders having a number of stronger Pokemon not used in their gym battle has been confirmed since Gen 2 when they introduced rematches.

>>28522612
That's the starter, the first Pokemon everyone catches, two Pokemon that are super strong when you first meet them, and two super shitmons that you try leveling up just because you assume they'll become good eventually, otherwise they wouldn't be THAT shit.

>>28521942
Only dipshits hate gen one, considering it was the birth of the franchise.

However, I and others will call the generation weak, which it is. It started something great, but the games aren't lasting and are far from being very good.

>>28522703

You can't get Mewtwo until after you beat the game, so you didn't take it to the Elite4.

And if you trained every shitmon you came across under the assumption it'd turn into awesome pokemon, you'd have Butterfree/Beedrill, etc.

>>28522701
I thought gym leader rematches started up in emerald?

>>28523743
Yeah, I think my original sixth was Raticate.

>>28522713
>far from being very good
Not him, but it depends, I usually take into consideration when they were released and what was happening at the time instead of judging it in a vacuum.

I don't think that pokemon red/blue is a good game to play right now, but there is no way that they are "bad" games.

>>28516187
>>28516927
literally who cares

>>28516337
autism