Gen 7 Strategey

it's a bit early for this kind of stuff but i like you for even thinking about this

>>28499211
Goddammit i just realized how tanky ghost/ground is

I really hope sandcastle isn't the next ferrothorn because that design is rancid fart

>>28499211
Sure, it may be viable. Plenty of people use the beat up + justified combo after all

Actually pretty good.

I was thinking in a M-Gardevoir with calm mind and a eviolite Charjabug

>>28499211
Considering that the likelihood is pretty low that you'll hit 5 times with water shuriken, I'm not sure if the strategy will be that reliable. Taking up Palossand's item slot with a un-reliable gimmick isn't a good idea.

Probably depends on palossand's stats, tho.

Hmm. Perhaps. Depends on the defensive stats of Palossand and whether it'll have any recovery.
With a Focus Sash, Accelgor is guaranteed to get it off and perhaps even another move with the speed from Unburden.
It all depends on how good Palossand is, whether it could survive the turn and get enough damage done to make it worth it, and whether you want to use a team slot on the Accelgor, which has the defenses of wet tissue paper.

>>28499423
Its defensives are raised by two each time it's hit. So it's a guaranteed +4 defense.

>>28499211
Don't forget to give Accelgor Focas sash so it can live the first round and deal out some solid damage before dying nigger!

>>28499211
>Storm Drain
Oop

>>28499423
Water compaction raises it's defense stat by 2 each time it's hit with a water move, so you have a guaranteed +4 defense boost and a good chance of a +6 one. I would say to use leftovers or assault vest instead, but I don't know how much coverage as far as special defense or recovery palossand has access to yet.

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>>28499211
Depends entirely on how bulky Palossand is. Accelgor's attack stat isn't that low and Palossand's weakness to Water means this'll probably hurt.

>>28499458
Given that accelgor is one of the fastest pokemon ever and water shuriken is already a priority move, very few things would have the chance to attack before it. Surviving to set it up is almost a non issue unless you have the misfortune of running into an extremespeed user

>>28499211
I thought about this same strat when Palossand's ability was revealed. It all depends on how much Accelgor's Water Shuriken is doing as well as how bulky Palossand is. I don't play doubles but I can definitely see people trying this.

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Couldn't you use Soak instead?

Soak works on Water Absorb so presumably it would work on this ability as well. That way you can boos Pallosand's defence without harming it whilst giving it a typing which nullifies two of its weaknesses and allows you to use other water moves like Surf without fear.

>>28499525
But the damage will be calculated on each hit, and after each hit the defence boosts

>>28499525
Because of water compaction, each water shuriken, which initially does 15 base damage, will do half, so in a worst case scenario, it would only deal 29 base damage, 58 with the water weakness.

>>28499597
soak only hits once tho

>>28499521
Since it's supposed to absorb others' life force, I suppose it has access at least to Mega Drain or similar moves.

It's only based on its description though.

>>28499597
>Couldn't you use Soak instead?
Holy shit Soak might get used in my lifetime.

>>28499643
I didn't even consider that part, good point.

>>28499375
>yfw Charjabug gets Sticky Web, Electroweb, and Helping Hand

>>28499597
I originally considered this, but a pokemon specifically included for soak and surf would take too long to set up palossand's defenses and would waste a slot just to benefit one pokemon. With accelgor, I can boost palossand's defenses quicker, and even use a focus sash to get off a layer of spikes or a hard-hitting special move with the unburden speed.

>>28499569
I meant mainly so it could survive the rest of the turn (presuming that both of the opponent's pokemon don't attack it) to attack next turn. I probably should have worded it better.
Because if it can't survive to do some damage to the opponent's pokemon, you've wasted one of your 4 pokemon on your gimmick.

>>28499675
Eviolite Charjabug is made for Doubles.

>>28499211

Probably not, purely defensive boosting has never worked well because it's so susceptible to phazing. Something like Calm Mind is used because the SpAtk boost allows the user to eliminate threats before they can be phazed out. It's a pretty cool idea OP, and could definitely be very effective against unprepared teams, but it's not without it's flaws.

>>28499597
Nice. It's kind of a shame no prankster pokemon gets soak though, setting it up might be a bit riskier but a sash could do the trick

>>28499656
Didn't we see it use Mega Drain?

what about strategies for my boi Mimikyu?

>>28499211
Gen VII meta thread?

How powerful will Z-Move M-Fug be? Will it be banned from AG?

Why not Greninja?

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Skill link Rock blast into Stamina Mudsdale.

>>28499753
Because he's slower and has STAB so would more likely kill it.

>>28499753
Greninja has a higher attack stat, and would really be better suited to attacking.

>>28499753
Greninja has a higher attack stat and has STAB on water shuriken, making the damage palossand recieves from getting boosted will be significantly higher

>>28499778
Water Shuriken is a priority move.

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>>28499747
Only one pokemon gets banned from AG

Double Explosion + Magerna uses Protect!

Soulheart activated!

>>28499713
If palossand gets ingrain, then 90% of this set's problems are solved

>>28499892
Gets Giga Drain...

Why is literally everyone in this thread assuming Water shuriken hits all 5 times every time? Accelgor doesn't have Skill Link and I'm lucky if it even hits 4 times when I make my Greninja use Water shuriken in-game (I usually only get 2 or 3).

>>28499947
They aren't, it's just that it only takes 3 hits to fully set up palossand, and it's a guaranteed +4 boost with the minimum of 2 hits

>>28499947
They're not assuming that. It's just that Water Compaction raises your defence TWO stages so you're guaranteed to get at least four stages of defense ups.

I don't think wasting its item slot on a single use sdef boost would be worthwhile. If it doesn't get a good recovery move or ingrain ass vest could be used and it'd be more flexible. Otherwise leftovers, sitrus, or lum are all better items. If anything that can use it here learns Soak it'd also be nice since Water is the best typing.

>>28499947
http://www.serebii.net/sunmoon/abilities.shtml
Hits twice that is plus 4, hits 3 times that +6.

>>28499925
I meant to prevent phazing and provide constant health regen regardless of attach stats or enemy defenses

>>28500011
>Assault Vest Ingrain

Are we really having rain dance vest goodra all over again?

>>28499211
Plus Assault Vest

>>28500067
Read that post again

>>28500067
>If it doesn't get a good recovery move or ingrain ass vestcould be used
>If it doesn't get... ingrain
>ass vest could be used

>>28499211
Why not Weakness Policy? Water Shuriken being super effective against it means you are guaranteed +4 Def and +2Atk/S.Atk. It would only need a way to boost speed.

>>28500120
M U R D E R C A S T L E

>>28499870
A shame Magearna is a mythical. Would be fun to use in Triples from battle facilities ingame.

>>28500120
This could work if palossand gets shadow sneak or another priority move

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>>28500221
What if it gets Trick Room.

>>28500261
Trick room would work, but it'd be another turn of setup that would need to be used every 5 turns

>>28499525

0- Atk Accelgor Aqua Tail vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Golurk: 12-16 (3.5 - 4.6%)

Min attack possible Accelgor using 15 power Aqua tail standing in for a single hit of Water Shuriken, 100/100 defenses Golurk with no defensive EV's used as a stand in for Palossand.
The damage is pathetic and each subsequent hit is going to do even LESS on account of the defense going up each turn. This is definitely viable to boost the fuck out of Palossand's defense with little actual damage to it. Hell you can even use Weakness Policy to make it strong in addition to bulk out the ass and maybe let it start blasting out strong Earthquakes with no reason to fear physical attacks.

The issue lies in that I just said physical attacks, Special moves will still dig into it and it doesn't strike me as very fast so two special attackers can tear it down. It feels like a gimmick that can certainly work, but is unlikely to make any real waves.

>>28499330
It's an entirely different combo.

>>28499700
>I can boost palossand's defenses
But why would you?

>>28500293
Most Ghost types get Trick Room so it could set this shit up in the same turn as the boosting.

>>28499375

>inb4 Alolan Magneton with battery.

>>28500392
The thing looks like it could be used defensively, with its castle motif and defense boosting ability.

>>28499732
Yes.

>>28499211
I don't play competitive, but would something like this work?

Have a Smeargle use Ingrain and Baton Pass it to an Assault Vest Palossand then get Accelgor to Water Shuriken it. Like I said, I'm not a competitive player but wouldn't thing prevent the 3 key issues of forced switches, reliable recovery and the fact that most Water moves are Special.

>>28500888
I'd rather not invest 3 of my 4 doubles pokemon into the survivability of one

What if you also give it a Weakness Policy for maximum rapeage?

That way you can also probably kill whatever it is before you get Hazed/forced to switch

I'm curious about one thing thought, would +6 defenses be enough to tank Punishment? Never used that move só I'm not sure how good of a wallbreaker it is

>>28501098

Well I'm retarded, WP has been suggested already

I keep my questioned about Punishment though

>>28501098
>w/o Weakness Policy
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Punishment (180 BP) vs. +6 252 HP / 0 Def Golurk: 218-260 (57 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>w/ Weakness Policy
252 Atk Life Orb Weavile Punishment (200 BP) vs. +6 252 HP / 0 Def Golurk: 242-289 (63.3 - 75.6%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>28499423

Just pack a Pokemon with Leftovers and Bestow/Trick/Switcheroo or Symbiosis and bam, now he's got Lefties.

>>28501098
Prio water x2 to x5 > sand dude gets +2 to 6 untop of +2 on offence. EQ

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>>28500120

Imagine if it got Rock Polish

>Accelgor used Water Shuriken!
>Pallossand's Defense Sharply Rose!
>Pallossand's Weakness Policy Activated!
>Pallossand's Attack Sharply Rose!
>Pallossand's Special Attack Sharply Rose!
>Pallossand's Defense Sharply Rose!
>Pallossand's Defense Sharply Rose!
>Pallossand used Rock Polish!
>Pallossand's Speed Sharply Rose!

+6 Defense, +2 Atk, +2 SpAtk, and +2 Speed all in one turn.

Whimsiscott gets Light Screen and Taunt together with Prankster, which would allow it to double Pallossand's Special Bulk too while keeping Roar/Whirlwind/Haze at bay with Taunt.

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>>28502807
>all that boosting
>and it learns baton pass

>>28502807
>>28503010

The best part is that after Water Compaction has outlived its usefulness, you can switch in Entrainment Pyroar to give it Moxie for even MORE boosts, or Entrainment Pangoro/Hawlucha for Mold Breaker to fuck over Levitators.

>>28499774
This

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>>28499211
>Accelgor used Water Shuriken!
>It's Super Effective
>Pallosand's Defense Sharply rose!
>Pallosand's Weakness Policy activated!
>Pallosand's Defense Sharply rose!
>Pallosand's Defense Sharply rose!
>Accelgor got fucking murdered this turn because it's an accelgor.
>Go, Sableye!
>Sabeleye Became Mega Sableye!
>Sableye used Psych Up!

>>28499747
It's a wallbreaker and Z moves are meant to wallbreak. MegaFug doesn't have a decent Dragon Type move so getting both +120 BP STAB moves (with little to no side effects) will be great.

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Tfw guaranteed +6 def +1 spd luminous moss baton pass pallosand turn one.
Passing to eviolite chansey

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>>28499747
>Z-move
>Mega
Pick one

>>28504010
Anon, it's Mega Fug

>>28504010
anon, I...

>>28504010
Looks like your strong prayers didn't reach Rayquaza

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>>28499211
WHIMSICOTT BUFFING MUDSDALE'S DEFENSE TO INSANE LEVELS WITH BEAT UP

>>28504200
>Enemy Tentaquil uses scald
>It's super effective
>Mudsdale is now burned

a-a-atleast you have +6 defense r-r-right anon-kun?

>>28499211
Pallosand is not immune to water. Shit strat.

>>28500335
Altogether.

>>28505782
>Highhorse Power uses DEF instead of ATK for damage calculation
SHIELD S T R I K E

>>28504010
DRAGON ASCENT counts as a MEGA STONE

>>28505914
A min attack water shiriken from Accelgor does shit for damage, even against a Pokemon weak to water. Plus, the thing's def raises every turn, so it does less damage each hit.

Flash Fire Chandelure with Bewear to both erase fluffy's downside and cover each other's weaknesses?

>>28507833
Wait. Shit I forgot that flash fire doesn't act like lightning rod. Damn it.

Fire version of lightning rod when?