Crazy wife thread.

I want Zinnia to fuck my boipussy until it bleeds.

>>28274328
Of course, she's like a human Midna !

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>>28274328
but what i have to say is that youre absolutely right.

>>28274999
Zinnia is anoying but she really have a nice body

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>>28275042
I don't really find her annoying. She's just doing what she thinks is right.

Literally the worst character in the series, no competition.

But I guess being attractive blinds fans.

>>28276537
The hell do you mean worst?
I'm pretty sure the Idol girl from ORAS is worst.

>>28274328
Crazy as shit, but still hot as shit

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>>28276655
Might I introduce you to this

>>28276638
No, Zinnia nearly destroyed the world twice and gets away scot free. She's condescending prick to everyone, acts all high and mighty and fails hard but the game still expects ou to think she's so great.

If you don't like Lisia, that's fine but she's not a plot important character tied to a major story event.

>>28274328
Zinnia doesent have any barefoot art.

>>28274328
why she has so few fanart?

>>28274328
Crazy wife and intolerable bitch are two different things.

>>28276775
She was trying to save the world. She knew about the meteor and knew that Rayquaza was the only one who could do something about it. Sure her methods were...less than positive...but she was doing all she could considering she wasn't the actual lorekeeper.

>>28276987
I think my biggest problem is she doesn't feel any regret for anything she's done or apologize for what she's done to everyone

Even Lysandre felt bad for what he was doing but he KNEW he was right

>>28277019
Lysandre felt bad because he would be killing pokemon, not people.

Zinnia is doing everything she can to save TWO worlds. Not just one. People, Pokemon, Everything. Steven and the Scientists at Mossdeep Space Center were trying to send the meteor into an alternate dimension, which would have wiped out RSE's Earth. Or did you forget that?

>>28276749
remember if you find a unicorn, please capture it so that it can be studied further.
BUT.. If you ever say they are 1-3 crazy and 8-10 hot, your talking to a tranny, THAT IS A MAN.

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>>28277182
>Would've wiped out RSE's Earth
Are you sure?

Reminds me of a girl from my 9th Grade
>hot
>insane
>probably bipolar
>listens to punk rock
>tsundere

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>>28274328

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>>28277446
>That shitty fang
>Those shitty faces
>That shitty noodle anatomy

>>28276800
because feet are gross

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>>28274328
I want to fug her shit up

Oh, boy, another Zinnia thread.

OP has good taste, but that one faggerino who really hates Zinnia is going to come out and ruin everything.

>>28277445
I knew a girl like this in high school too. Just replace "punk rock" with "autistic".

>>28274328
I'm mad the Sky Pillar was ruined. 5 stories and we're at the top? Anyone else catch Fug in one throw? Major disappointment.

>>28277911
>listens to autistic
What did he mean by this?

Zinnia has a cool design. Reminded me a bit of Claire with the "Epic Dragon-Mistress" thing. But she just shows up suddenly, fills you in on all the stuff... I don't know, I felt like the whole Rayquaza thing was more mysterious i.e. better in the originals. And they could have done a way better job with introducing Deoxys. It was all so sudden. Thanks for reading my shitty opinions have a nice day Zinnia is cute 7/10

>>28276800
>>28277446

>>28277743
>one

>>28278003
He's talking fetish art dude.

Someone finally scanned that doujin where Zinnia gets raped by scientists.

>>28278763
Fucking sauce plz?

>>28278817

(C88) [Nipponbashi Dennougumi (Imotoka Tsuyuki)] Souzouryoku < Seiyoku (Pokémon)

>>28278822
>That Lickitung
Nice

>>28278822
am I stupid cause Im not getting search results

>>28278889
>>28278822
scratch that found it

>>28276825
Japs don't like her that much.

>>28278968
Do we have a real reason for that? Japs will waifu the most shit garbage chunni characters. What about Zinnia garners hate? The best I could guess is that she's really dominant and not in a particularly tropey way?

>>28279059
they don't like her because she isn't moe shit

>The best I could guess is that she's really dominant and not in a particularly tropey way?

Pretty good guess I'd say. She's lacking that coyness they love so much probably

>>28279150
She steals from people and can never admit she makes a mistake and makes you clean up the mess she made

>>28279059

They dislike her attitude, how the game treats her, and how the Delta Episode is written in general and see her as emblematic of that.

>>28279526
>They dislike her attitude
Right, as I said.

The rest seems nonsensical to me though. They eat up worse shit daily. Why exactly do they care about good writing now? Especially in Pokemon?

>>28279762

Why do you care so much, waifufaggot?
I only provide explanations, I don't take sides. Why do you care if Japs hate your waifu? Shouldn't you liking her be enough?

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>Zinnia

>>28279781
It's just a question, bro. I just don't get the vocal dislike of her in Japan?

>>28276775
/thread

>>28279526

where the hell are you getting this from

she's only in the epilogue and has more art than most gym leaders / elite four / frontier brains

>>28279793
>Zinnia has fainted!
>FUG gets 1 exp.

Best

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>>28279960

She is more important to the storyline and has more focus than most gym leaders/elite four/frontier brains, so obviously she would have more fanart. Big deal. She's also hot so people will waifu her no matter how shit she is.

Zinnia is so hated in Japan that there's whole wiki pages dedicated to ranting about how shit she is and tracking down everybody involved in her creation to see who made such a bad character. There's even a pastebin about it on /vp/.

Her "you lack imagination" thing is basically a meme poking fun at how retarded she/Delta Episode are.

>>28276775
>No, Zinnia nearly destroyed the world twice
Nope. Her helping awaken the box legendary had a backup- the Master Ball. Note that the evil team had it until YOU took it. No one was ever in any real danger in that case, frankly. In the case of the link cable, she saved an alternate universe we as players know exists, and that she says the Draconids have alos observed.
>and gets away scot free
What about Cozmo and Steven and his father for using questionable energy? It's clearly meant to be an allegory for atomic energy, not to mention that it's entirely possible it's made of dead Pokemon. They get away scot free too. It's the equivalent of complaining someone destroyed a nuke that would cause irreperable damage for decades if not centuries, and had a backup dragon that would harm no one.
>She's condescending prick to everyone, acts all high and mighty
She should, she knows better.
>and fails hard
Nope.
>but the game still expects you to think she's so great.
And I do.

Anti-Zinniafags are the worst, acting like they're taking the moral high ground. Pathetic. She probably shouldn't have assaulted your rivals, but outside of that she did nothing wrong.

>>28280058
So? Tumblr, Reddit, this very site, Deviantart, etc. has pages of people hating characters that people love.
Haterbase is meaningless if there's a big fanbase, and clearly, she has a big fanbase.

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Friendly neighborhood reminder that Zinnia suplexed Archie for his Mega stone.

>>28277950
Much like the box legendary in BW, Fug had a significantly higher catch rate than a legendary should have, on account of the plot requiring you to have it in your party.

You could skip catching the dragon in BW right before N, but only if you had filled up every box on your PC and had a full party.

>>28276775
> Nearly destroyed the world twice.

But this is what I look for in a Waifu.

>>28279837
>>28279960
There's a few translations of people's reaction to her on a popular Jap site. Don't have the link to the Pastebin now though.

>>28280503
Cool

>>28283819
>Daughter
Aster was clearly someone she admired and was close too, the original Lorekeeper, not her daughter. Check the Adventures Special

>>28281730
what if this happens in XY/ORAS

>>28283819
>people

>person who doesn't apologize for taking stuff and destroys option B if she fails, which she does.

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>>28274328
I rarely have a chance to post this. Now is my time to shine.

>>28280058
Iirc they figured out a hentai/doijin writer wrote the delta episode.

Also when I tell people this they just say, only a few people do

>>28284094
Wait, a doijin writer wrote it? Source?

>>28284331
I'll try to find it give me a sec

>>28284094
Every single day that passes the artist has more and more to do with the game than the last time he gets mentioned.

>>28277446
>not sitting on his crotch with her hands pinning his shoulders to the ground

>>28283819
>totally cool with killing off innocent people to stop a meteor
Steven was totally cool with it because there's literally no proof that said people even exist. Meanwhile, Zinnia was totally cool with killing ACTUAL people, and almost destroyed the entire fucking region by telling Archie/Maxie how to awaken kyogre/groudon and activate their primal forms. The only reason she failed to kill fucking everything is because the player stopped it.

>>28284023
>Adventure
>Canon to the games

>>28278822
Link pls
I search for it and only get 3 results: One with Rosa and Caitlin, one with the Furisodes and Shauna, and one with ORAS Lass and Courtney.
But I can't find the one you're talking about.

>>28284375
Thanks, my Japanese reading skills don't go much further than "is this the men's room?"

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>>28277446
>Fang

For what purpose?

>>28284331
>>28284375
http://info.2ch.net/?curid=2888

Here's the wiki, it's under scene writer

>>28284570
*once you translate

>>28284570
Thanks, reading it now, in broken google-ese

>>28277182
Zinnia doesn't have enough knowledge to lnow even if the alternate world exists, let alone if the meteor impact would destroy it... The fact is she endangered her own world twice because she was throwing an autistic tantrum over muh quayquay lore and would've destroyed the world had Brendan/May not been there.

>>28280503
>S-She knows better
She's a frenzied cultist who would've failed if you didn't carry the meteor.

>M-muh destroyed world
Not necessarily, it could easily be the rse world where the meteor landed (deoxys event) or the mystery dungeon world where nnormal ray destroyed the meteor.

Zinniafags are delusional.

Can we at least agree that Fug stabbing Zinnia is the best thing ever?

>>28280503
>Nope. Her helping awaken the box legendary had a backup- the Master Ball. Note that the evil team had it until YOU took it.
And Team Aqua/Magma just didn't say anything about this? You need more to back up your headcannon here.

>>28280503
>she saved an alternate universe we as players know exists, and that she says the Draconids have alos observed.
Yet still provides no proof that the Meteor would actually be sent there. Only that it could. Well, the meteor could also be sent right into the Berry Master's bathroom, but screw that. One possible reality trumps all of them.

>>28280503
>What about Cozmo and Steven and his father for using questionable energy?
The alternative was mass loss of life. It wouldn't matter if the rocket was powered literally by tortured children, it would save more than it costed.

>It's the equivalent of complaining someone destroyed a nuke that would cause irreperable damage for decades if not centuries, and had a backup dragon that would harm no one.
Except she didn't tell anyone about her backup dragon, and her backup dragon would have failed if literally who hadn't been there with literally what in their back pocket.

>>She's condescending prick to everyone, acts all high and mighty
>She should, she knows better.
Knowing something important that other people don't doesn't mean you act like a douche. It means you tell them. The only reason to not do so is if their goals are directly antagonistic to yours. As in, you are their enemy. There was no reason to withhold this information, unless she viewed herself as directly antagonistic to an effort to save the world by people using their last resort whith no other options on the table. Either that, or she was so shallow that any sens of superiority whatsoever rushed to her head and overrode common sense.

>>and fails hard
>Nope.
General consensus is that she failed. You can argue otherwise, but you need to do just that. Argue. With points. The burden of proof is on you here.

>>28283819
>Totally cool with possibly killing of people that may or may not exist, with the alternative being the guaranteed deaths of a similar number of people.
>Loved and admired.

>Thwarts a devious plot to save the world while relying on poor logic and mystery and refusing to enlighten others on her plan (which fails) while coping with not liking her job after the last person who held it died.
>Hated

Funny what happens when you get your facts straight.

>>28281172
This is my wife now.

>>28284990
>guaranteed
Citation Needed

>>28283819
Zinnia-fags

>>28279793
Source?

>>28278822
Can somebody help a brother out? My google-fu is weak and giving me Courtney and Furisodes

>>28284493
>>28286965

Open up wide for my spoon.

http://g.e-hentai.org/g/973251/0ff846d352/

>>28287000
Trips confirm your badassery

>>28280503
>Nope. Her helping awaken the box legendary had a backup- the Master Ball. Note that the evil team had it until YOU took it. No one was ever in any real danger in that case, frankly. In the case of the link cable, she saved an alternate universe we as players know exists, and that she says the Draconids have alos observed.
What? Master Ball? You serious? there is no mention to this at all, ever. No evidence at all. None. This is just your retarded headcanon.

Furthermore, if the player knows something everyone in the game does not, there's a dissonance there that still looks retarded. The only reason people accept the alternate universe bullshit is because Zinnia mentions it. Everyone would've likely thought it overwrote RSE otherwise. So no, that's bullshit and sounds like complete fucking insanity to everyone BUT the human controlling the PC in the game.
>What about Cozmo and Steven and his father for using questionable energy? It's clearly meant to be an allegory for atomic energy, not to mention that it's entirely possible it's made of dead Pokemon. They get away scot free too. It's the equivalent of complaining someone destroyed a nuke that would cause irreperable damage for decades if not centuries, and had a backup dragon that would harm no one.
Blah blah blah, who cares? If I shoot you in the face and don't go to jail for life it doesn't mean that the next criminal who commits homicide should get away scot-free. Retard.

Kill yourself.

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First starter you picked and which one you loved the most, disliked the most and will pick in gen 7.

1.) Squirtle
2.) Chikorita
3.) Mudkip
4.) Piplup
5.) Oshawott
6.) Froakie
(Yes I prefer water types)

Favorite: Mudkip. It's just really chill and Swampert is my favorite mon of all time.
Least favorite: Oshawott. I found Gen 5's starters kinda meh in general, and Samurott was disappointing.
Will pick: Popplio because 1. Water and 2. Mermaid looks kinda neat.

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>>28280058
>>28282180
Remember to bookmark it this time guys

http://pastebin.com/6iXDxAcf

>>28284068
>the option B that not only kills pokemon but isn't guaranteed to work because they don't know where it'll send the meteor

>>28279059
Pretty much the same reason everyone else does. Because they think she's edgy and what not.

They also didn't take into consideration that she talks down to Steven and everyone at mossdeep because she knows what they're planning to do and what infinity energy is.

>>28279183
Aside from Ray, which wasn't on her part, she really make a mistake.

>>28287077
>What? Master Ball? You serious? there is no mention to this at all, ever. No evidence at all. None. This is just your retarded headcanon.
It literally exists though...

>>28284662
>Zinnia doesn't have enough knowledge to lnow even if the alternate world exists,
She doesn't personally but her clan has been watching it for generations.

>>28287366
I don't really get this. How can people say Draconids and Zinnia are insane for believing in/caring about alternate universes while in the same breath condemning her for destroying the Link Cable, a plan that largely relies on the first assumption being true?

>>28287366
>her clan has been watching it for generations.

How?
Do they have a TV box connected to R/S/E Hoenn?

None of this shit is ever fucking explained you're just supposed to take her word for it. So it sounds fucking crazy and would sound even crazier to the people she's telling it to in-game, who are trying to prevent a world-ending cataclysm and then this bitch just comes in and destroys the meteor diverting thing because of some pseudo-theory.

This would be like if your friend was kidnapped by Algerian sex slavers like in Taken and you pulled out your phone to call the cops, and then some smelly hippie slapped it out of your hand and destroyed your phone saying phones are evil and send cancer waves into another dimension and you should just trust them on it, and if you don't you lack imagination.

>>28287365
It exists, but if it were relevant, Team Magma/Aqua would have brought it up. There is not a moment where Archie phones up a homie and says "Yo, shit went south, bring me the Master Ball!" "Uh... Boss, how do I put this, um, it's gone." "What! Who the fuck takes something without... Oh, OH, You can just go fuck yourself MC". That doesn't happen, meaning the Master Ball was irrelevant. If the Master Ball WERE relevant, why wouldn't Archie or Maxie have it on their person at all times?

>>28287077
You get the Master Ball in Team Aqua/Magma's base you autistic fuck

>>28284662

>"What? Another world? Are you seriously suggesting there's a multiverse."
>Suddenly, Brendan pulls out an entire team of legendaries that he caught from Hoopa's portals.
>"Meet Phoenix, Pearl, Satan, Titan, and Abraham Lincoln."

Checkmate Atheists.

>>28287000
Checked
Thank you based anon

>>28277968
Deoxys' introduction wasn't that sudden if you looked deep enough into the lore. Even before ORAS came out people were speculating that the laser from the ultimate weapon is what created Deoxys

I was under the assumption that they didn't even know where the meteor would go to. She seemed to be against them using the souls of Pokemon from the past to fuel their own selfish needs, she had a better plan, it just didn't work out exactly as she thought it would. Similar to how the doctors also didn't know if it would actually work. It is more their science, and the mystery if it would work versus her mysticism from the past and if it would work again. No harm, just different paths to the same end. In the end...she was right just not completely, it took us to fulfill the prophecy, but the method of saving lives was right, AND nobody either here or in another dimension or wherever else needed to die.

>>28287522

But how does she know where the meteor was going to go? What if it didn't go to the alternate Hoenn? What if it just teleported into the sun or something? And why not ask if the scientists can't figure out some way to direct the meteor to a specific location? Why just snatch the Link Cable and destroy it? What if her plan failed(which it basically did)? Then there would be NO backup because she fucking smashed it and everyone would've just been fucked.

Also alternate Hoenn destroyed their meteor with a laser anyway with minimal loss of life, so if the meteor was sent there by Cozmo it would have simply been lasered and everyone would go on with their life.

Instead Zinnia nearly killed everybody on the planet.

>>28286012
Zinnia's own mouth, actually. She claims that the meteor would cause devastation anywhere that it hit, but the other world might not have the science or Mega-Fug to stop it. The meteor wouldn't do more damage just because it hit a different world, if that world was basically the same

If a Meteor striking world B would kill X number of people, That same meteor striking world A would, provided the worlds are of similar population density, kill the same number of people. By the logic that people die when meteors hit Pokemon worlds, and that a Meteor was going to hit a Pokemon world, the procession is that people would die whether World A or B was hit.

The difference is that the people in world A did not know about world B, and even if they did, there was no way to determine for certain whether the meteor they sent away from world A would actually appear at world B, or some other location. we can deduce that there is a near-guarantee, barring only the most unlikely of miracles, that doing nothing would cause the Meteor to strike world A, which would kill a given number of people. Alternatively, they could send the meteor away, which may or may not arrive at a world that may or may not exist, though if it did exist, and the meteor did show up there, a similar number of people would die, again barring an unlikely scenario.

If meteor hits = people die, which is Zinnia's argument for her actions in the first place, the meteor hitting world A will, by guarantee, again barring an unlikely scenario, kill a certain number of people. By sending the meteor away, there is only a possibility for the meteor hitting world B, and killing a certain number of people, give or take a margin of error due to coincidence and differences between the two worlds in terms of population.

Either people do die, or people might die. Those were the choices facing the scientists of ORAS. People might die might not be a great answer, but it is certainly the better of the two.

>>28287437
>How?
>Do they have a TV box connected to R/S/E Hoenn?
Anon, there are multiple pokemon that can move between dimensions. It's not as farfetched as you seem to think, especially with hoopa's rings all about the place.

Doesnt Zinnia give the PC the meteorite in the first place?

Plus wasnt it implied that her plan was a suicide mission anyway?

>>28287905
But do the Draconids have Hoopa or Palkia on speed-dial? Do they leave out cookies and milk for Giratina-Claus who shows them another dimension if they have been good that year?

>>28287578
>But how does she know where the meteor was going to go?
She doesn't, that's why she posed it as a hypothetical. The whole speech was more that they're pushing their problems on to something else that may not have the means to defend themselves. She only used the other Hoenn as an example of that as it's one she's more familiar with.

>>28287964
Pretty much any ghost can look and enter other worlds. A few psychic pokemon could as well.

>>28287944
No. You get it from the device from MT. Chimmney.
Before you try it, Team Aqua or Magma get and use that meteor, then abandon it with or without Zinnia. RSE proves this. The only difference is that the scientist from Fallarbor town doesn't want it back in ORAS.

Thinking about it, that scientist is the real hero of ORAS. Hooray for being so triggered/jewish you aren't willing to give away a worthless TM for a meteorite! Huzzah!

>>28287944
No, that's the meteor you get from the pyre incident.

And I suppose? She does say a lot of suicidal tier things throughout and there's the fact you need the suit to survive.

I don't see why people don't like her honestly.

She had a great team, one of the best themes if not the best in the entire series, a good design. Her only flaw was not thinking her plan through or having a backup plan.

I mean other than that, she was a pretty fun and unique character.

>>28287966

So let me get this straight.

Zinnia can't prove another world exists.
She can't prove that the meteor would be sent there.
She can't prove that the other Hoenn couldn't deal with the meteor.

And for this reason the fate of the entire world must rest on HER plan and ONLY her plan, and the alternative plan must be destroyed, and everyone must believe her with no proof, just trusting in a theory even she doesn't know is true.

And then the plan turns out to be a bungle, so everyone was going to get fucked right in the asshole, if it wasn't for the protagonist being chosen by Fug, beating Fug, and having the charged-up rock to let Fug go super saiyan.

And then even before that, Zinnia was also behind the Aqua/Magma thing, during which Fug didn't appear. So if it was not for you, again, the world would have been incinerated in an endless drought/swept clean into the sea in a flood of Noah proportions.

And even though she nearly destroyed the world twice if not for the intervention of the World's Strongest 10 Year Old, she learns nothing from this, is given no comeuppance, is instead let off and you're told to just show her some understanding because her heart was in the right place so she was actually a hero, she never apologizes, she just fucks off to go find herself and you have to go around doing the Alcoholics Anonymous visiting of people she wronged in her place?

And there are people who seriously defend this character, and think she's well-written.

>>28288134
I believe she's the first true anarchist in the franchise who acts alone and selfishly. It's been a while since I played Delta Episode but I remember at the time that's why I thought she was awesome. On top of all that stuff you said.

>>28288180
>anarchist

Zinnia believes there should be no governments?

>>28288157
You know, I think GF made the right choice making her phrase "you need more imagination".
I mean just look at your post. You're literally taking everything at face value.

I mean you still think the speech was specifically about the alternate Hoenn.

>>28288205
Anarchy/Chaos, whatever you want to call it.

>>28288205
He means she's basically Chaotic Neutral and just does whatever she wants to do.

Delta Episode was literally a fetch quest where you went to shitty places you hated the first time around to be given the shit you were supposed to fetch and then at the end the cunt who made you fetch all the shit failed to do the thing which she stole all the shit to do, and you clean up her mess. Then she makes you return it so you have to do a reverse fetch quest on her behalf.

Zinnia is therefore the most annoying character in the franchise.

>>28276749
>tfw my girlfriend is a unicorn (or at the very least in Wife zone)
noice

>>28288229
That's a funny way of saying "She's a great character so long as you don't actually pay attention to what she does!"

Remember that time Cynthia didn't do her job as Champion, spent the entire game fucking around about books and Psyduck, got a lake blown to bits, and almost got the entire world fucking destroyed and distorted due to Giratina because she believed Galactic and Cyrus weren't threats, and then soon after she fucks off to Johto to go have fun hunting down God and his new cronies he's making?

But we all love her right?!

>>28288157
>Zinnia can't prove another world exists.
If she had the time she could use the method the draconids have used for years.
>She can't prove that the meteor would be sent there.
That's the point, the scientists didn't know where it would go. I could hit another inhabited planet. Alt. Hoenn was an example because it didn't rely on infinity energy or the mega evolution energy which was a big part of the link cable plan.
To reiterate, it was about sending it to a defenceless planet in general. Not that Hoenn
>She can't prove that the other Hoenn couldn't deal with the meteor.
Except that the link cable plan relies on things they don't have. And we know that mega Ray was needed for this particular meteor something else they don't have.

Did you even play the game or did you read the pastebin and think the Japs knew everything?

>>28288331
That's literally the opposite. You have no take in not only what she does but everyone else.

>>28288263
I'd say she was Chaotic Good if anything.

>>28288331
Giovanni is a great character so long as you don't actually pay attention to what he does!

Archie is a great character so long as you don't actually pay attention to what he does!

Cyrus is a great character so long as you don't actually pay attention to what he does!

Ghetsis and N are great characters so long as you don't actually pay attention to what they do!

You see the irony in this from most of you guys?

>>28288342
>If she had the time she could use the method the draconids have used for years.

Which is what?

>That's the point, the scientists didn't know where it would go

But the door swings both ways, asswipe. She doesn't know if it will go there either.

>Except that the link cable plan relies on things they don't have

What if the alternate Hoenn has something else? Like... a laser? Which is what was used to shoot down the meteor in the older games, to create Birth Island, in an incident that killed nobody.

And you still can't explain why she had to destroy the Link Cable. Maybe if her plan failed they could have still used the Link Cable as a last ditch effort. Why not just explain her theory better and say "let me try my idea first and then if I fail we can use the Link Cable?" Thus making it an unpleasant option, but still on the table?

No, instead she just destroys it, guaranteeing everyone's death if she fails(which she does).

>>28288411
Well both technically fit for how anarchists typically do things. Technically every alignment does depending on who you're dealing with, but still.

We get his point.

>>28288468
Im glad you acknowledge that Lysandre did nothing wrong.

>>28288544
Because I forgot about Lysandre, he's irrelevant and shitty. I honestly don't even remember anything about Lysandre other than you meet him in that Care with the Prof. and Diantha and a town gets blown up.

He's just kind of there.

>>28288508
>Which is what?
Whatever they used which is probably some kind of pokemon.
That part wasn't posed as a what if anon.

>But the door swings both ways, asswipe. She doesn't know if it will go there either.
Her point literally relies on the fact that no one knows where it will end up. Not that it will hit this alternate Hoenn. That was literally just an example she used of a world that doesn't have the means to deal with it.
Meanwhile, the scientists need to know that it will go an adequate distance away so it doesn't just turn around and target again. The meteor was essentially pokeRemina that could speed up and change trajectory after all.

>What if the alternate Hoenn has something else? Like... a laser?
ORAS Hoenn is more advanced and they have no means to destroy it. What makes you think that the alternate Hoenn has the means to destroy that given this information?

>Which is what was used to shoot down the meteor in the older games, to create Birth Island, in an incident that killed nobody.
So, where does it say that a lazer was involved or that it harmed no one? Is this what you think Zinnia sounds like our something? Because you have nothing that backs up your claims.

>And you still can't explain why she had to destroy the Link Cable.
Because she wanted to save the pokemon Devon were using for infinity energy to maintain the wormhole.

>Why not just explain her theory better and say "let me try my idea first and then if I fail we can use the Link Cable?"
There was barely enough time to get the explanation we had. Why waste more?

>No, instead she just destroys it, guaranteeing everyone's death if she fails(which she does).
That would imply everyone died when the fact is that she successfully summoned Ray on her own.

>>28288544
Because he did fucking nothing

>>28288468
>Giovanni
Ran a criminal organization for profit and power. Knew full well what a douche he was. A decent, if rather overdone character

>Archie/Maxie
Maxie makes slightly more sense than Archie, but I'll give you these two. They have some issues with what they want, and why that is a good thing.

>Cyrus
Literal autist who wants to remake the world into a cold, emotionless, logic-driven one. Clearly a villain, and he knows full well what he wants to do.

>N
Genuinely believed he was doing the right thing due to a lifetime of brainwashing, and realized his goof when it was pointed out to him.

>Ghestis
Wanted to rule the world, and had no qualms about killing people to do it.

These aren't good people, but they aren't bad characters, with a bit of exception for Archie/Maxie. They are villains. They are either committed to evil, or else realize their mistakes and try to fix them. Not Zinnia, who does worse than most of these fine, respectable chaps, doesn't try to work off her mistakes once she realizes she was wrong, carries an air of superiority the whole time, and then we are expected to think she's a hero or something.

The fact that you compared her against villains is a delicious snapshot of irony in itself.

>>28288629
>>28288826
ITT: ADHD

>>28288807

>yeah, they just like, have an interdimensional tv that lets them see into the other Hoenn so Zinnia did nothing wrong. there's nothing in the game that actually backs up what i'm saying just trust me lol

>>28288849
See>>28288013
You still haven't answered that anon either. But it's understandable, you don't have anything to say to it.

>>28288807
>There was barely enough time to get the explanation we had. Why waste more?
That time wouldn't have been wasted had Zinnia made her point instead of droning on about pseudo-philosophical bullshit, or made up that time by not telling you "the story of her people" later.

>>28288965

That's all conjecture, you reaching faggot.

>>28287578
I guess she didn't know. Doesn't change he fact that others didn't know where it would go. But if her plan worked (which it did) it would leave the asteroid in tiny pieces littered in orbit. Her crazy plan didn't cause loss of lives. Also, the general idea of her plan was that it was their cross to bear to solve their issues. Not some other people's or to manipulate the earth or ancestors souls to save us. It is the same ideas that spawned Godzilla in some of his iterations. It is said he is the souls of all those who died in the atomic blasts, he is Japan's pain to endure for their actions, and the message to make sure they don't repeat their same mistakes. Zinnia and her just think that this is our event to overcome, here, in the now.

>>28288843
What did Lysandre accomplish?

>>28287463
I know that you obnoxious moron. What was said was that the master ball was there specifically because of when shit went wrong. But it's not. There's no evidence for that. So while it exists in the fucking base, it's just there for you to pick up and forget about unless you find a goddamn shiny or something.

No one else acknowledges its existence you braindead, gibbering moron.

>>28289015
How is it conjecture when pokemon like Dusknoir can do it?

>>28289025
He's basically pokehitler right down to cleansing the impure from the planet.

>>28289070

Because nowhere is it said or even implied that they watch the other Hoenn through a Dusknoir you lying zinniafaggot.

>>28288965
>>28288013
All-right. I'll bite. How do you get an answer out of Xatu? Does Duknoir give a presentation, in intelligible, human English/Japanese/Pokenese about the world it saw? Or is Haunter taking the Draconids with it?

For that matter, why would the DRACONIDS be associated with Ghost and Psychic-type Pokemon? You'd think they would take that into consideration when they named themselves.

>>28289099
So you're denying that pokemon can do such things.

>>28288843
>I have no arguments so I'm going to call them names
>yeah, that'll show them

>>28288843
More like X/Y are garbage games nobody really gave a fuck about.

>>28289106
>For that matter, why would the DRACONIDS be associated with Ghost and Psychic-type Pokemon? You'd think they would take that into consideration when they named themselves.
Not him but they're called draconids because of Ray.

>>28289136
No, he's denying that the Draconids have a Dusknoir that is used to check other dimensions. Which is true, there is nothing in-game that suggests they have a Dusknoir that does just that.

>>28289166
>>28289169
Couldn't pay attention with all those shiny Mega Stones around?

>>28289099
Ok, I can also use that argument as well. Nowhere is it implied or said that they DON'T use a Pokemon like Dusknoir to do it.

>>28289094
But what did he ACCOMPLISH

Not his goal

>>28289184
>Which is true, there is nothing in-game that suggests they have a Dusknoir that does just that.
Except for the fact that their clan has a means to view other universes. Occam's razor leads us to them using a pokemon that specialises in such a thing.

Also just because they live with dragons doesn't mean they only have dragons. Just look at Lance.

>>28289094
You mean just like basically every other fucking Team Leader? But half of them almost accomplished what they sat out to do.

>>28289188
Actually you couldn't get most of the game selling feature/forms until postgame

>>28289019
Her plan wouldn't have worked though. Since you love the Nuclear analogy so much, lets get nuclear.

The stage? Deep Impact. A meteor is headed for earth, and the only thing that can stop it is the use of Nuclear weapons. Fuck it, let's cover our bases. Nuclear weapons strapped to kittens. Don't ask why the nukes need to be strapped to cats, they just do.

We set up a team to take out cat-nukes to the meteor, and save the world. Suddenly, captain Jap bursts in, and breaks the rocket because "The sins of the past must not be repeated! Nuclear armaments are wrong and should be abolished! Why don't you come up with something else? Think of the cats!"

The world just got sentenced to death because someone got assblasted about something they didn't like being used to save the world. The best part, is that the fucking cats were fucked either way. Death by nuke, or death by meteor.

>>28289202
>I think they use X Pokemon to see into other dimensions which is why zinnia has that theory
>but they don't have those Pokemon and it's never suggested they use them that way based on in-game evidence
>BUT YOU CAN'T SAY THAT THEY DON'T USE THEM THAT WAY

>>28289188
No, I couldn't pay attention to the poor gameplay, poor music, poor story, and poor postgame.

Sorry I insulted your favorite games and favorite character, stop sperging out, goddamn.

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>>28274328

>there are people on this board that unironically like Zinnia
>there are people on this board that didn't just spam A all the way through Delta Episode
>there are people complaining about not enough Zinnia art because they are too dense to realize that they are a small minority that worships the worst girl in the franchise

I'm not saying you are terrible people. I just don't see the appeal in this deviant-art tier, poorly written poke-hobo that probably smells like a combination of low tide at the wharf and a chinese restaurant dumpster on a hot July day.

>>28289232
>Occam's razor
So you are telling me that the simplest possible explanation is a magical ghost that can jump between universes that nobody talks about, or references whatsoever, normally speaks in babble, but can still communicate its findings, and does all of this without the notice of anyone else on the planet.

>Actually liked Zinnia
>Come to /vp/ and see all the hate

The only thing I hated was you can't rebattle.

>>28289234
Giovanni wanted money
Maxie and Arxhie wanted to essentially terraform the region.
Galactic wanted to rewrite everything
Ghetsis wanted to rule everything.

Lysander was pokehitler and Flare were his nazi.

>>28289298
What. Did. Lysandre. Do.

>>28289256
>smells like a combination of low tide at the wharf and a chinese restaurant dumpster on a hot July day.
I'm sorry, anon. You just listed the most appealing feature of Zinnia to her fanbase.

>>28289308
Captured a bird/deer egg, hooked it up to a machine, knocked over (literally) some cabins in a town, strapped a bunch of Pokemon to rocks, and threatened to destroy the world with it.

I'm a little more hazy on his reasoning, but that's pretty much everything he did, I think.

>>28289281
As opposed to having a "magical TV" of sorts? Yes. It's the simplest answer.

Also the only point you have there is the babble thing. The rest is just meaningless prattle.

>>28289232
Lance isn't a draconid. You're really fucking reaching here just to give Zinnia's asspull theory some credence. That is the exact opposite of occam's razor.

There is no evidence in any media that any of the Draconid people have Ghost-types or Psychic-types that they specifically use to search for other dimensions. There is no evidence that Zinnia had some sort of basis for her theory. Zinnia nearly fucked over humanity twice for some bullshit theory with no basis on ANYTHING.

This is literally in the game itself. This is what we are presented with. You are literally arguing against this.

>>28289350
He didn't capture them. He just found them asleep

>>28289298
Giovanni was a mob boss that controlled multiple towns, their money, a gym, and two regions.
Maxie wanted to destroy the entire ocean and kill all life on the planet.
Archie wanted to destroy the land and kill all life but sea life on the planet.
Galactic wanted to destroy the planet, remake it and the galaxy.
Ghetsis wanted to take over the world and rule it as a dictator.
N wanted to liberate Pokemon from their oppressive handlers.

Lysandre was mad nobody agreed with his fashion sense and got butthurt so he wanted to introduce sparkles and flare to the world.

Lysandre is fucking garbage compared to the rest. The rest of them had far bigger aspirations and plans than Lysandre ever had outside of Giovanni who had already accomplished what he wanted to do.

>>28289354
>The rest is just meaningless prattle
Honestly, all of this is "meaningless prattle". Lest we forget that this heated debate is happening in an anonymous messaging board dedicated to a Vietnamese cockfighting simulator.

Zinnia is a shitty character but man am I mad there wasn't a semi-romantic sidequest where you find her again. I'd fuck the shit out of her.

>>28289248
Ok let's continue your analogy. "Cpt Jap" jumps in breaking the rocket. But they say they have a joker tier CUUUUHHHHRRRRAAAZZZYYY idea to use some mystical Japanese dragon their grandma believes in to save the world, but it is a long shot. Will I be skeptical of this person and their plan? Yes. Do they have a point about the nukes not being the answer? Yeah. Can I continue finding a way now to get rid of the meteor? Yeah.

While I am working on an alternative solution now that my kitten rocket got destroyed I find out that "Cpt Jap"'s dragon really did show up, and it really did get rid of the meteor. Who looks stupid now? It might leave me thinking I have much more to learn in life, and not judge people to soon.

>>28289250
You can't say they can and you can't say they can't. That is exactly my point. It is like Schrodingers Cat. You think the car is dead, other anon thinks it is alive. You can't prove either until you open the box. Only we don't have a box and yet you are both arguing about it.

In the end? Her plan did work guys, risky or not it is her mystical dragon that did in fact save the world. Even if you don't like it those are the facts, just like how flame that ass is.

>>28284662
If she doesn't have enough knowledge to know an alternate world exists, then by extension she also doesn't have enough knowledge to know that sending it there is even a possiblity.

In her eyes, her options were to be a jerk and possibly doom the earth in order to awaken Rayquaza to destroy the meteor, or do nothing, and just wait for the world to get destroyed, since she has no idea science portals are an option.

>Lysandre was PokeHitler

Fuck no he wasn't. He didn't like that the world wasn't beautiful and everyone were greedy assholes, so he sought to destroy it all.

He's basically a fucking millennial hippy.

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>>28289399
>Giovanni who had already accomplished what he wanted to do.
Debatable, since I think the hinting is that Mewtwo was his ultimate goal, but either way, yeah.

>Yfw you realize you funded Team Rocket by buying coins from the Game Corner, and spent them on stolen/poached Pokemon

>>28289361
>Lance isn't a draconid
He's a dragon trainer, raised and trained by people who specialise in dragons and the majority of his pokemon are flying.
He's literally from a similar background but you're not allowing it because it's proof that specialists aren't restricted to that type.

>That is the exact opposite of occam's razor.
You do know what Occam's razor means right?
How does it not adhere when the simplest answer is that they used a pokemon as they exist in a world where it's commonplace?
It's better than assuming shit like they looked into a puddle or that it didn't happen.

>>28289441
Remember Yancy from Gen V? We better get more dating in SM. I'll be disappointed if you can't romance Lillie or Chicken chan

>>28289485
Fine with me, got dat Scyther.

>>28289482
I don't think you know what anything you just said means.

>>28289482
He wanted to kill everyone but his handpicked team. How is that not similar to Hitler's regime?

>>28289511
The Gen 5 dating thing felt kind of awkward, though it was better than the weird forced romance with Shauna, since at least it was optional.

I won't mind any dating sim elements as long as they're a side thing. Maybe they could let you gift berries and letters to NPCs in order to have them team up with you in the Battle Tower equivilent or something.

>>28289504
Because that's irrelevant. Lance is not a Draconid. It isn't mentioned at all so it doesn't matter. Regardless of whether or not Draconids are actually restricted to dragon-types, they're never shown using any other type. Zinnia makes no mention of using Dusknoir or whatever other Pokemon to search for alternate dimensions.

It's just an asspull theory you're using to justify whatever Zinnia is doing and it's utterly retarded.

>It's better than assuming shit like they looked into a puddle or that it didn't happen.
No it's not, because we already know that there's no evidence in the game that suggests it. It's better to simply assume that she made a wild guess and the world nearly got fucked for it because that is what actually happens.

>>28289525
>Millennial hippies are mad the world isn't their speshul snowflaek beautiful world and how everyone else are assholes to them only and are seeking to ruin everything for everyone else
>Lysandre was made the world was a speshul snowflaek beautiful world and how everyone are assholes and is seeks to ruin everything for everyone else

They're the same thing. I dated a millennial hippy, they're fucking idiots, just like Lysandre.

Maybe if Zinnia tried telling literally anyone her plan and asked/got them to donate key stones, maybe she wouldn't be a shit character.

Hell you would feel sympathetic for her not succeeding with her easy peaceful way

But no she's a condescending little twat who taunts everyone else for a prophecy centuries ago and literally destroys the other option because she's going to have Fug do it. Then she's wrong, and then after it's all over you're the one who returns what she stole without regret. (Every recent Villian asides from Ghetsis, someone willing to KILL, feels regret for what they did even though they KNEW what they were doing was right) and she's supposed to be the hero

She also picks on the weak such as the team leader/your rival and doesn't even fight for Admin's/Wally's key stong she just takes it. While constantly trash talking Steven yet never fighting him for his key stone. She's supposed to be a good guy, she's literally a bully

>>28289542
>Lance is not a Draconid. It isn't mentioned at all so it doesn't matter.
The point was that specialists don't solely use pokemon of that type. Zinnia herself has a Whismur.

>No it's not, because we already know that there's no evidence in the game that suggests it. It's better to simply assume that she made a wild guess and the world nearly got fucked for it because that is what actually happens.
You have no idea what Occam's razor means do you. Here's a tip. Simplest doesn't mean no questions left unanswered.
Even then there's only one question which is how would they understand the pokemon.

>>28289574
I like her the way she is. It's refreshing.

>>28289537
Hitler only targeted certain people that weren't Aryans, not everyone that wasn't him and his Pokemon.

Ghetsis was more Hitler than anybody. Hell Ghetsis had an entire group of Sages that would spread his word like Hitler did and take dominance over individual parts.

>>28289574
Yeah because you wouldn't take the easiest path in a time of extreme urgency.

>>28289504
Draconids are a very specific type of person. Just because I use all dragons in my playthrough, doesn't make me a Draconid. Not everyone who uses Dragons is a Draconid.
By all accounts, Draconids are a Hoenn thing. No Fug, no Draconids, while Lance is a Johtoboy, born and raised in the Dragon's Den of Blackthorn, or at least he trained extensively there.
Literally the only argument that could be made for "Lance is a Draconid" is "Lance uses Dragons".
Here's the killshot. Lance and Claire come from the same background, meaning if one was a Draconid, the other also was. Claire is a pompous braggart, ready to flaunt anything she has over everyone. Do you think Claire would let it go quiet for even a second that she was part of a millennias-old organization of dimension-peering Dragon masters with ties to the greatest of all dragons? If Claire was a draconid, you had better believe you'd be pulling teeth to get the "Draconid Badge" out of her hands instead.

>>28289616
She literally spend months with the evil team telling them wher Groundon/Kyoger are

Also see her stealing/specific targeting of the weak

>>28289614
Are you fucking retarded? Lysandre literally was going to kill ALL Pokemon and everyone he deemed unable or unwilling to benefit the world.

>>28289574
You mean a character that actually doesn't give a fuck about the dumbass rules of the Pokemon World? No no, lets continue with the same status quo for the past 30 years, everyone is nice and doesn't do anything to actually hurt anybody else. Only the Teams are allowed to steal Pokemon because they're evil, everyone else is inherently good and would never do anything wrong or make mistakes!

Good for Zinnia.

>>28289614
Ghetsis didn't want to kill. He wanted to rule the current people and Pokémon there.

Like Hitler, Lysandre wanted his perfect world and would kill people who didn't adhere to his requirements.
Like Hitler.

>>28289606
That's a nice opinion you have there, are you going to back it up?

>>28289643
No, he was going to kill everyone, literally everyone except himself. That included Pokemon because "well they have to die too, I can't really think of a way to not kill them as well."

He's the same as Cyrus but worse.

>>28289634
>She literally spend months with the evil team telling them wher Groundon/Kyoger are
Did it ever occur to you that's because there was time then and that no one would believe a kid saying the world was going to end?

>>28289650
It literally goes against the whole game. If you're calling her a bad person that's fine by me, that's all I'm trying to argue

I just thought she was designed as a good guy

>>28289651
You mean like millennial hippies.

I don't like this thing, please ban it, it triggers me.

He's just the same thing, he's just willing to kill over it. Hitler just didn't like jews, blacks, or gays. Everyone else was fine.

>>28289688
Also there's the fact that Devon is the one thing she can't cooperate with because they kill pokemon.

>>28289688
That doesn't fucking stop her anyways

This can tie back to her getting sympathy for trying to warn everyone and ends up being right

But no, she doesn't tell anyone her fucking plan

>>28289699
It's pretty clear they set her up as more of a misguided anti-hero. Pokemon rarely has good-guys outright stealing.

Think of her closer to N or Silver.

>>28289652
It's an opinion. I can assure you I definitely feel that way.

>ITT: buzzwords starting with the letter "L"

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>>28276537
Girl who trades you haunter with ever stone disagrees

>>28289687
You're actually retarded. Team Flare would survive. Pokemon were PURPOSELY being killed because he felt they'd always be used as tools for evil.

>>28289728
Even Silver tried apologizing and tried returning what he stole and grows as a character loving his Pokemon. Zinnia does not change at all

>>28289716
>Everyone else was fine.
He literally just wanted his pure aryan race. Just like Lysandre wanted only his pure, hardworking team.

Hippies of any age don't want that.

>>28289728
>N learns the truth and feels bad for what he does

>Silver tries to return the starter he stole and learns to love Pokemon

>Zinnia steals, and has you return the shit yourself and never admits she needs help

Ok

>>28289445
>But they say they have a joker tier CUUUUHHHHRRRRAAAZZZYYY idea to use some mystical Japanese dragon their grandma believes in to save the world, but it is a long shot. Will I be skeptical of this person and their plan? Yes. Do they have a point about the nukes not being the answer? Yeah. Can I continue finding a way now to get rid of the meteor? Yeah.
But here, Captain Jap actually tells people his plan about the dragon his grandma told stories about. Zinnia basically leaves where the quoted post ends.

When Captain Jap's dragon shows up, I'm left wondering "What the fuck? Why didn't he just SAY he had a line on a magic dragon to save the world? We would have diverted resources to help, if we knew about it! And here we thought yet another villain doomed the world for no reason!

Why does no one ever take into account the fact that the scientists knew what they were doing is wrong but still didn't think of an alternative option?
Even Steven didn't want to budge.

Zinnia have them a chance. They didn't even try.

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>>28289441
tfw will never be able to get with any of the ORAS waifus

>>28289728
But she never changes or grows

>inb4 she was postgame

She had many more lines than silver

>>28289753
Just seeing his Crobat was enough to show you he had changed, I really appreciated that

>>28289810
You mean saving their ass? Most don't understand infinite energy anyways

>>28289775
>We would have diverted resources to help, if we knew about it!
They didn't even ask Zinnia what her plan was anon. What makes you think they would devote time end energy to her?
Not too mention she knew the whole deal about infinity energy so she didn't want to work with them at all.

>>28289892
Which brings her back to Captain Jap from a few posts up. "Stop using what I don't like, even if the cost is the lives of millions!"

>>28289950
>even if the cost is the lives of millions!"
At the cost of? Millions of pokemon.

The only two things I remember about Zinnia are her being annoying and a little bit of the "dialog" on Sky Pillar's top floor:

>"Ever since I was a little girl, I have always turned my eyes up to the sky. When I was so full of uncertainty that I felt my heart might be crushed by it... When I was so grief-stricken and alone I thought my heart might break of it... I turned and looked up there... so that my tears would never, ever fall. What about you? Have you ever had to do something like that?"
>Never.
>"Ahaha! You're just too honest! Don't you know that you're supposed to agree, and then we'd share a touching moment of pain?"

She was bland like the rest of Delta Episode and ORAS. The only remotely interesting thing was Sea Mauville.

>>28289810
We don't know that for certain or not. We can imagine that they only even bothered to try one solution, or we can assume that they tried several things, and couldn't come up with any alternatives. We can confirm or deny neither of these.

>>28290024
The scientists work with Devon and Steven, the son of Mr.Stone, heard the entire speech of infinity energy.
Then there's the fact that they completely ignore her and continued to send you about without as much a consideration of an alternative especially given the dialog after that scene.

>>28290024
>We can confirm or deny neither of these.
Actually we can confirm they didn't try given the dialog after her appearance. They don't even think about who she was and jump right back into it as if nothing happened at all.

>>28290009

Those pokemon would likely die anyway if the meteor hit.

>>28290069

She's a crazy person who failed to explain fucking anything and just said "NO DON'T DO IT... PARALLEL WORLDS AND SHIT." Would you take someone like that seriously?

Zinnia is literally a smelly hobo strongarming his way past NASA security to tell people the only plan on the table to destroy Bruce Willis' meteor should be aborted because God told him so.

>>28290297
Well she's hot and has good taste in Pokemon, so yeah probably.

You know what's funny? Zinnia's plan actually would have failed without the player. If they hadn't been there, the meteor would have impacted and killed everyone.

Actually, on that note, did we ever decide on whether Deoxys being inside the meteor was a coincidence or whether it was trying to pull a colony drop?

>>28290338
Doesn't Deoxys only exist because it was bacteria in some random meteor?

I think the implication is that it had just been born and this is what caused the meteor to go off course into Earth.

>>28290355
Apparently it was some virus in space that got hit by a laser and mutated? That was the origin the game gave it at least. I presume in the current continuity that laser was the Ultimate Weapon or something.

>>28290377
Well, it was hit by mega fug's uber hax. Maybe that mutated it.

>>28290377
Well current continuity is technically its own timeline/universe.

Who knows. Makes you wonder if there is just a colony of virus clusters in space getting hit my stray radiation and lasers somehow and Deoxys are just existing everywhere causing problems, like mini Unicrons or some shit.

I always thought it was interesting he was a virus, but still looked like DNA. Makes you wonder if DNA in the Pokeverse isn't a virus somehow considering some of the digital tech and how things work.

>>28290297
>Would you take someone like that seriously?
After learning about Devon, infinity energy and Ray which all happens prior to the whole parallel world thing then yes. If I had a choice I would have stopped looking for Steven.

Where did this meme start that Devon is evil because they use infinity energy? How do you know infinity energy in its current form is gained by soulsucking pokemon life force? For all we know they figured out a better way.

It's fucking hilarious the same zinniatards who say that we should believe the Draconigs have some totally unexplained and unmentioned way to spy on the other Hoenn because maybe they use interdimensional ghosts or something, but are dead set in their belief Devon is worse than Hitler because energy extraction techniques couldn't have changed over 2 decades.

>>28290338
Actually if it weren't for the player she would have gotten the meteor shards from Granite.
Given her dialogue it seemed she was there for turn.

>>28290530
Steven uses the power of rocks for evil. Don't listen to Steven Stone's lies!

>>28290436
That would be incredibly ironic and hilarious, and it would explain why the thing is stronger then Ray is when it first shows up.

>>28290449
>There's Deoxys spread around all over the universe causing mayhem
Yikes. That might mean a whole lot of other worlds didn't survive the various colony drops the other Deoxys pulled.

I always assumed the DNA thing was because viruses are so basic or something. Though DNA itself being a virus would have some disturbing implications...

>>28290530
>For all we know they figured out a better way.
Sorry but there's more proof that they haven't than they did. Try again.

>>28290559
Well I suppose you raise a good point. Bacteria is a living thing and would have DNA as well.

I want to see a more mature game where they explore deeper concepts like this. But for some reason now I'm just imagining Zinnia riding Fug through Space while the Protags ride Golurks through Space and battle ZEON/Deoxys after they colony drop Hoenn in the other timeline or some shit.

>>28290581

And where is the proof you faggots provided that the Draconigs have interdimensional ghost Big Brother into the alternate Hoenn?

Again, hilarious you retards will pull this card of "WE CAN'T KNOW FOR SURE" to defend Zinnia's shitty theories with 100% headcanon but then Devon MUST be evil because there is only one way to extract infinity energy ever because the game doesn't explicitly say otherwise!

>>28290449
Dude, are you aware that DNA is one of the basic components of virus? (Practically, they're just DNA and a few proteins)

>>28290623
Well to be fair so far in every Pokemon game people only ever extract shit from Pokemon because they're special and magical ass beings.

I'm not saying Zinnia and the Dracos are right by any means despite me actually liking Zinnia quite a bit due to her uniqueness, but so far Pokemon do appear to be the only way, at least from what we've seen so far.

>>28286936

Pretty sure it's from Pokemon Special.

Since I saw she's in a wheelchair in the last chapter.

>>28290623
>trying to use another anon's argument to justify your own flawed one
See the difference between you and him is that there's no evidence suggesting they did or didn't use ghost pokemon so that's entirely open as an option. While there's tons saying otherwise for Devon still using energy based on pokemon life force like sea mauville, Mr Stone and Zinnia herself.

Just stop shitposting already.

This whole discussion about using ghost pokemon to look into other dimensions should show that Zinniafags are delusional.

>>28290656
I am, but you'd think, they'd be a nucleoid, as opposed to being a large piece of DNA. Thats what I was getting at.

I wonder what Deoxy was a virus of anyways, space aids?

>>28274328
https://exhentai.org/g/973251/0ff846d352/

>>28290623
>Devon MUST be evil because there is only one way to extract infinity energy ever because the game doesn't explicitly say otherwise!
The game explicitly states that the energy comes from the pokemon anon.
Find me something that says otherwise and then you'll have an argument.

Until then stop forcing your shitty headcanon down everyone's throat because you can't stand being wrong.

>>28290718
How?

>>28290718
>Giratina and Arceus both have their own dimensions
>Haunter is said to be from another dimension in the pokedex entry
>Porgyon-Z was designed to be able to interact with alien dimensions but it didn't work out due to an error in programming
>Mega Gengar can see into other dimensions


So far Arceus, Gengar, Haunter, and Giratina all of which are ghosts, with one being the literal God that can be Ghost type are said to deal with dimensions. Hmm, I wonder if they were onto something.

>>28290786

>Draconigs have an Arceus

>>28290800
My point was that Ghost Pokemon at least a couple have been said to be able to deal with dimensions.

>>28290800
Anti-zinnia fags are delusional as fuck.

>>28290827

And where in the game does it say the draconids are using them to look at original Hoenn?

>nowhere

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>ITT: BUT FIRST WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT PARALLEL UNIVERSES

>>28290853
When Zinnia mentions they've been observing it for years.

>>28290828
The original argument was that he said it was retarded that they used ghost pokemon to look into other dimensions. I provided examples of ghost pokemon dealing with other dimensions. One of which includes Mega Gengar, which they could easily have, but you conveniently ignore it and only focus on Arceus and Giratina which were also points to prove that alternate dimensions exist and that they deal with them just as much as Haunter and Gengar.

But please continue saying that using a ghost pokemon to see into another dimension is retarded when the game itself fucking says it.

>>28290868

Show me where in the game Zinnia says they were using Arceus to look at the alternate dimension Hoenn. If you can show me that I'll show you a green dog.

>>28290853
When Zinnia says they've been studying and watching it for years?

>>28290882

Show me where in the game Zinnia tells you Draconigs use a Haunter to look into another dimension. It's 2016 the whole Delta Chapter is on Youtube, you can screenshot the exact moment and post it here.

>>28290897
Nobody fucking said she was using Arceus. Are you a fucking retard? You said they can't use Ghost Pokemon to see into other dimensions, despite the game saying Mega Gengar can do that very fucking thing.

Get rid of your tunnel vision and learn to read.

>>28290927
>Zinnia says they use Ghost Pokemon
>Haunter and Gengar are ghost Pokemon

HURR DURR

You're an idiot, stop posting.

>>28290938

Show me where in the game Zinnia says she can see into the alternate Hoenn with Mega Gengar.

>>28290962
See>>28290868
>>28290903

>>28287453
They probably realized MC stole it BEFORE shit went south. Could be partially why they entrust MC with going to stop Groudon/Kyogre.

>>28289040
Then why is it there? You seem like the gibbering moron for being unable to take lore clues and piece them together. You must hate Dark Souls.

>Zinnia picks on the weak!

So what, are we forgetting how she literally raids and sweeps the entire villain base by herself up to and including Archie/Maxie? Then after beating Archie/Maxie, proceeds to punch Matt/Courtney in the face and TAKE their key stone? Emphasis on Matt who is the most swole motherfucker in the game?

Are we also forgetting that nobody but you is supposed to be able to do that and that's only because you're some kind of prodigy?
That's a far sight from "preying on the weak"

>>28291019

Again, post a screenshot from ORAS where Zinnia states they use a ghost pokemon to look into the other dimension.

You won't. You won't, because you can't, because it never fucking happened. Get rekt zinniashitter.

>>28290962
Do you know what implications mean? Have passed the 3rd Grade yet?

Besides the logic you're using is basically

>Show me where in the game eggs come from, because we never see it

>>28291052

Show me where it is implied they view the alternate dimension with a ghost pokemon.

>>28291044
The HOW isn't important man. It's blatantly stated that they CAN and HAVE BEEN watching the other world. That part you are supposed to take at face value

>>28291093
See>>28291019

>>28291129

You got nothing. GG draconig.

The amount of hate Zinnia gets is ridiculous, as is this current argument going on. If the games say it, its canon. Simple as that.

>>28291144
I guess Oak was lying when he said he used to be a Pokemon Trainer and knew Agatha.

Fuck, we can't believe anything in the games anymore. I guess everything in the games and everyone is lying.

Hey guys did you hear, I guess Bulbasaur isn't a grass/poison type and its name isn't Bulbasaur. Did you also hear that Brock isn't a Gym Leader?

>>28291228

Those things are actually in the game.
Please provide a screenshot, right now, of where in the game it states draconigs use ghost pokemon to view the alternate Hoenn.

>>28291258
In the game? You mean like how Zinnia says they've been watching the other Hoenn for years? I agree with you, she never says they use Ghost Pokemon at all, but she does say they've been watching it for years regardless. That is true and said in the game, she has knowledge of it and it should be taken the same as all the other things I said, as fact.

>>28291290
> she never says they use Ghost Pokemon at all,

Then you're all full of shit.

> but she does say they've been watching it for years regardless.

OK, how?
If they can, why not show everyone else to prove alt. Hoenn is real so they'd take her seriously and she wouldn't have to fight the world alone?

Why just say "I can't prove it lol just trust me" if she has some demonstrable way to show it?

Could it just be that Zinnia is full of shit?

>>28279059

The Japs practically have an essay on why to hate her. A kind anon translated one.

>Zinnia's nonsensical actions and unpredictable behavior have caused her to become a much criticized character. Her trademark line "You guys need some imagination" has became a topic for discussion.
>>Delta Episode begins with the rival getting their Key Stone stolen by Zinnia, followed by her stealing from Wally, Courtney/Matt, and Maxie/Archie, and other unethical actions. Now, Zinnia's motive is a straight "I have to save the world from a giant meteor impact", but her violent means without any show of remorse or thoughts for harming others has risen a lot of voices against her.

>"I need to call Rayquaza to destroy the meteor, so I joined Team Magma/Aqua and guided them towards starting a natural disaster with Groudon/Kyogre, but before Rayquaza could appear the protagonist calmed them down, so now I need to steal Key Stones." A lot of fans would say, going with the start a natural disaster plan first, isn't that the complete opposite order to try things in.
>>It goes without saying that "Zinnia planned for the legendary Pokemon to revive" is a tacked on detail to the main plot. It was originally the team leader's plan, but at some point Zinnia became the mastermind.

>>28291346

>As said before, Zinnia stole Key Stones from people the protagonist beat (=those weaker than them), but didn't steal from the powerful Steven or the protagonist who beat him. It's easy to see this as her stealing from the weak and avoiding those that could put up a fight.
>>All those involved in this, the rival, Wally, the reformed Team Magma/Aqua, Steven, Wallace, Prof. Cozmo, were people that would understand if talked to, so why did Zinnia avoid talking to and working with them - the best, most simple solution - and instead take this roundabout way.
>>Though if we look at just Steven, his family's Devon Corporation is the one that made the device to counter the meteor, which will use Pokemon's life energy to push the meteor somewhere else in space, so it could be thought that Zinnia and him would be hostile and have no chance to talk things over.
>>However, Zinnia's criticisms of Steven are tacked-on. Despite them being about equal in skill, she insults him as "former champ" and "you don't get it, I have no hopes for you", provoking him and treating him like he's useless.
>>Some opine that she wants to protect her secret or thinks only the protagonist is trustworthy, but all she does is make the situation worse, and you can't deny that if the protagonist wasn't there she would have driven everyone into a hopeless situation.

>>28291377

>The reason Zinnia is opposed to the teleporting the meteor plan, other than that it uses Pokemon's life energy, is that it will "throw the meteor into a parallel universe". but there's no evidence (at least within the game) that such parallel universes even exist.
>>Naturally, even Prof. Cozmo straight up calls this "delusional fantasy". Zinnia responds to this with her "You guys need some imagination". Having no imagination and too much imagination are both problems.
>>Even if Zinnia somehow had some way to ascertain that parallel universes exist, that she talks down to everyone else who have no way of knowing this is arrogant. Of course they can't imagine this.
>>After she destroys the transfer device, Prof. Cozmo questions "Now what are we to do?!", and Zinnia responds with "We can protect this world and the other one", but then doesn't actually offer up an alternative plan. Before you go forcing everyone to follow your plan, how about actually explaining it to everyone first? Maybe people wouldn't criticize her so much if things were written more like "they inquired seriously about the existence of parallel universes, but since she lacked enough proof so she was ignored, forcing her to take forceful measures."
>>And Rayquaza turned out to have lost its power to Mega Evolve after such a long time, and without the transfer device, they're screwed. After everything Zinnia stirred up, she caused everyone to be in the worst possible situation. If the protagonist hadn't been there and happened to have a meteor to restore Rayquaza's energy, the world would have ended. I guess Zinnia didn't have enough imagination to think of that.

>>28291402

>And in the end Zinnia hands off the job of destroying the meteor with Rayquaza to the protagonist, and doesn't even directly meet with them afterwords. She just has her Whismur hand them a letter of thanks (no apologies), and runs off. The protagonist ends up having to be the one to give everyone's Key Stones back.
>>If she had at least just apologized or reflected on her actions... is not an uncommon opinion.
>>In her letter she states she going on a journey to find herself. Not to work off her wrongdoing or anything.

>There's many players who questioned how she's introduced like a villain, committing theft and violence, but at some point without realizing becomes our ally.
>>Some people also criticized N from BW, saying he took to much spotlight and looked down on the protagonist and their friends. However, he was clearly treated as an antagonist in the plot, his biased views that led him to despise humans were planted by the true villain, and he has a sympathetic motive. He realizes his mistakes at the end and appears again the sequel as an ally against the villain he's now completely cut ties with.
>>Zinnia on the other hand, has no sympathetic or convincing scenes, and her motives are poorly explained. Because of them, some say she would've have been better as a villain the whole way through. If that was the case they could have inserted things like her having the charisma to indoctrinate others, a battle between her and the protagonists opposing justice, or the theme of coexistence depicted in the main plot.
>>People defend her by saying that "she had no other options, so she had to act like that at the start", but her above listed actions and words don't make this very convincing.

The end.

>>28291342
>Then you're all full of shit.
I never said she saw them in the first place. Stop assuming everyone you're arguing with is the same person.
>OK, how?
Don't ask me.
>If they can, why not show everyone else to prove alt. Hoenn is real so they'd take her seriously and she wouldn't have to fight the world alone?
Don't know why they don't show others. It doesn't matter, the same as how Pokemon are able to be transported to a Pokeball and PC digitally despite being physical beings. Or how Hitmonlee eats when it has no mouth. Or why Porygon needs to eat physical food despite being a digital program, or how it even exists to be used in battles in the first place.

Its fucking Pokemon, not everything needs to have a deep and intricate explanation, its a fucking children's game for crying out loud.

>Could it just be that Zinnia is full of shit?
Or it could be you're supposed to take it as fact as any child would, because that is who the game is marketed for. Seriously, who fucking cares how its not explaining how they see into parallel universes/timelines. Only autists give a shit that fucking much about it, it doesn't matter. Like I said, we never see Prof. Oak ever battle a Pokemon (and no internal data that was never officially in the game in the end doesn't count). Guess he wasn't a Pokemon Trainer, since he can't prove he was ever a Pokemon Trainer, can't take Agatha or his words on it unless he has proof that can be shown, which neither do.

Its fucking stupid, take their words for fact and be done with it. Its a children's game, not fucking Silent Hill.
>>28291346
Japan doesn't like her because she isn't someone they can relate to, because she's violent and doesn't have any remorse. Which is kind of funny since they praise anime and tv heroes/villains that do the exact same thing.

>>28291377
>>28291402
>>28291435
All I'm getting out of this is that Japs are mad she isn't a beta yamato nadeshiko

>>28291346
>>28291377
>>28291402
>>28291435
Nips like Gundam SEED and Kira, their opinion doesn't mean shit. They fucking love garbage.

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tl;dr Zinnia did literally everything wrong.

>Don't know why they don't show others. It doesn't matter,

Actually it does matter because if she had just shown people how she knows another dimension exists instead of going "I'M JUST SAYIN'" maybe they would have been more receptive to hearing her out and would have helped. Even if they didn't help it would make her look like more of a desperate anti-hero instead of an annoying chuuni cunt, which is how she comes off as.

Your whole fucking argument is "who cares lol" and it's shit. It's shit and your waifu a shit.

>Zinnia is the best, I don't care what you have to say.
i have no idea why people are so up in arms about how "cringy" this is. from a technical standpoint, this is not terrible. it's well animated and not all of the creature designs are awful. im more impressed than uncomfortable, and honestly if someone's first reaction to this is to attack it or say that it's embarrassing, they're just a sensationalist coward looking for a reaction. memes and negativity aren't always necessary. things, and you, can just exist peacefully, and you don't have to be such a retarded faggot over every single thing shown to you.

>>28291508
You going to have an autist fit about being able to put literal Gods that can control time and space inside a Pokeball? Because that sure as shit doesn't make any damn sense and needs to be explained?

No you're not? Then shut the fuck up about other shit that doesn't need to be explained or matters at fucking all. Besides she already looks like a desperate anti-hero, she sure as shit doesn't look like she's running around doing chuuni shit at all.

>>28291464
You would be correct. She needs to be a moeblob like rival may.

>>28291542

You are just diverting the argument like a bitch.
Seriously, you're pathetic. The only one throwing a fit here is you because your shitty waifu got exposed.

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Zinniafags realize that you can leave the Masterball where you find it and the plot doesn't change, right? The Masterball headcanon is just desparate but ultimately false.

Also, the meteor wouldn't have caused great destruction at all. Not in the ORAS world and nor in the other world. The Draconids don't actually know that Deoxys is inside the Meteor and was likely steering it. Pic related shows what would have happened ie nothing.

>>28291582
Exposed how? Because she has a retarded plan? She does have a fucking stupid plan and doesn't think it through at all or have a backup plan. Doesn't stop her team, design, or music from being good at all.

You're the one throwing a fit over something not being explained in Pokemon, a game for children. It literally does not fucking matter. Just like putting Dialga and Palkia into Pokeballs doesn't matter. Just like Magcargo being hotter than the sun doesn't matter. Just like Porygon being able to battle in the physical world doesn't matter, etc.

Not everything needs to be explained just because you can't take things at face value and want to rip the series apart like its Silent fucking Hill and that its meant to have some deep and intricate plot with all details and variants thoroughly explained to you and all the children that the game is marketed.

You are an autist.

>>28291542
>You going to have an autist fit about being able to put literal Gods that can control time and space inside a Pokeball? Because that sure as shit doesn't make any damn sense and needs to be explained?

No one is debating that.

How about you answer this:

>Actually it does matter because if she had just shown people how she knows another dimension exists instead of going "I'M JUST SAYIN'" maybe they would have been more receptive to hearing her out and would have helped. Even if they didn't help it would make her look like more of a desperate anti-hero instead of an annoying chuuni cunt, which is how she comes off as.

What's your excuse here?

>>28291605
If the two worlds are existing concurrently in space and time, then they wouldn't have seen that until after the events of Delta Episode, due to them happening concurrently of each other. So its under a good assumption that a meteor would be pretty devastating without future knowledge, which they don't have, they just have knowledge of concurrent events in parallel universes in space and time.

>>28291644

Yeah let's say I'm an autist, am I wrong?
No, and it's proven because instead of arguing the point you just change the argument and cry autist. You just don't want to admit you got nothing.

You're wrong about the ghosts.
You're wrong about the method for viewing alt. Hoenn being irrelevant "who cares lol" because if there actually is a way for them to view it, surely Zinnia could have shown Poke-NASA or even just Steven and saved herself a whole lot of trouble.
You faggots STILL can't answer why Zinnia had to destroy the Link Cable instead of just putting it in her pocket.

Zinnianigs are basically the lowest form of waifufag on /vp/ and that's saying something.

>>28290681
>she's in a wheelchair in the last chapter.
Ray must have thought she was wearing a red cape, cause she got Reeve'd

I'm sorry

>>28291489
Zinniafags everyone

>>28291657
>No one is debating that.
The point stands that the two are equivalents that don't need to be explained.
>What's your excuse here?
That maybe however they see into Alternate Hoenn takes time, and if it doesn't, then again, who cares. Maybe she felt that nobody would believe her regardless of proof or not. Maybe she assumed that people would just believe her outright due to Dimensions clearly existing within Pokemon such as Distortion that shouldn't really be argued, so a simple theory that alternate dimensions existing would be stupidly logically.

Again, it doesn't matter, its a children's game written by GameFreak, not everything needs to be perfectly laid out or explained. The game is about catching monsters in balls and battling. The story and how it flows is secondary, if not tertiary or worse.

>>28291735
I don't care about Zinnia one way or the other, but anybody that likes SEED and Kira as much as they do has shit opinions. Japs are notorious for it.

>>28291687
You could just consult a Xatu or something

>>28291742
>The point stands that the two are equivalents that don't need to be explained.

How are they equivalent to each other?
Pokemon being put in a ball doesn't directly affect the plot, it's an established part of the setting.

Draconigs being able to actually see into the alternate Hoenn is a big plot point because it raises the question of "why didn't Zinnia just show them, instead of simply saying she had no proof but they had to take her word for it?"

>>28291718
>You're wrong about the ghosts.
Again, I wasn't the one who brought that up and actually agreed with you.
>You're wrong about the method for viewing alt. Hoenn being irrelevant "who cares lol" because if there actually is a way for them to view it, surely Zinnia could have shown Poke-NASA or even just Steven and saved herself a whole lot of trouble.
Cynthia never shows anybody else how Eggs coming into the PokeWorld, despite being their to personally view such an event. As I've said, it really doesn't matter at all.
>You faggots STILL can't answer why Zinnia had to destroy the Link Cable instead of just putting it in her pocket.
Because it was most likely to work, it didn't.

>>28291786
>How are they equivalent to each other?
Because who cares one way or the other on each of those? Nobody questions and throws a fit over them being put in Pokeballs, why do people throw a fit over Zinnia not physically showing people alt. hoenn?
>Pokemon being put in a ball doesn't directly affect the plot, it's an established part of the setting.
When those Pokemon can literally control time and space, yeah it kind of does. Even the Master Ball doesn't really have an excuse, because that implies its above time and space, and if we're going by that logic, then humans in the PokeWorld have conquered it, so why is it so off the wall that Draconids have done it as well?

>>28291819

I like how you just cut off the part where I explained why draconigs being able to view the alternate Hoenn matters.

You are a really sad guy, zinniafaggot.

>>28291759
>Hey, Xatu, what is the forcast tomorrow?
>Caaaw, caaw-caaaw!
>Xatu, you no we don't use that language around here.
>Xatu.

>>28291830
Because it doesn't matter. You have a series where humans have conquered time and space. Where dimensions very clearly exist. Why would they need to prove that an alternate dimension of Hoenn exists? Hell its a pretty common and logical concept within our own world and we don't have proof of dimensions existing and we haven't conquered time and space. It surely isn't off the wall to believe that an alt. hoenn would exist in Pokemon's universe unless you had proof.

And like I've said countless times, it is a children's game, not everything needs to be perfectly explained, whether it has to do with the plot or not. Magcargo has nothing to do with the main plot of games, but if he's as hot as the sun, the Earth is gone, eviscerated, that matters to every plot of every game since Gen 3, but nobody really questions it. They either just write off that the Pokedex is wrong, despite no evidence to the contrary, or just accept it as what Pokemon is, a children's game that doesn't really need explanation for everything and you're just supposed to roll with what you've been told.

>>28291883
>. Why would they need to prove that an alternate dimension of Hoenn exists?

It has already been explained to you that had Zinnia actually demonstrated she could prove the alternate Hoenn existed, maybe things would have been different.

You don't seem to get this. You see, either way, Zinnia is fucking stupid.

If there is actually no way for draconigs to monitor the alternate Hoenn, then Zinnia is full of shit because she herself is just working off a theory, like she tells the scientists. So she endangers the world twice, almost destroying it twice, for a theory, if we go by what she actually said.

If she was lying about that and she really does have a way to view the alternate Hoenn, then she's still fucking stupid, because if she had just shared how she can do it and demonstrated it, surely everyone would have went "well fuck it exists, now we have to come up with some other way" and they would have been more receptive to the Fug idea and maybe helped her.

And if they DIDN'T help her, then Zinnia still looks good because then she tried the peaceful solution but even confronted with evidence they wouldn't help her so now they forced her hand. She becomes more sympathetic.

Instead what we actually got, if we're to believe draconigs can monitor the other Hoenn, is she just busts in and spouts this crazy fucking theory, then when they say "that's crazy, can you back that up?" she says "no lol I HAVE NO WAY OF PROVING THIS" when she does and she's just sitting on the proof and making herself sound insane, thereby ensuring no one is going to fucking help her. And that makes no sense whatsoever.

So you like a character who has forced you into this FUCKING RETARDED dilemma where her actions are so monumentally stupid that even if "it doesn't matter" she is still a terrible character at the end of the day.

Get rekt zinniashitter.

>>28291958
I never said Zinnia wasn't fucking stupid. Her plan is stupid. Not having a backup is stupid. How she goes about things is stupid. She's a dumb impressionable and wild teenager.

Doesn't stop her team, design, and theme from being good.

>>28291718
>You faggots STILL can't answer why Zinnia had to destroy the Link Cable instead of just putting it in her pocket.
New anon to the fray, I'll take this one.

It's because she views what Devon is doing as morally reprehensible. She had just gone on a big rant about how they were literally about to do the same shit AZ did, which is kill scores of people to save a few. Plus, as far as anyone knows, Infinity Energy is still harvested from the lives of Pokemon, which makes it a shitty method to use anyway. To her, using the link cable would have been like a muslim eating pork or something blasphemous

As for how awakening the box legend doesn't do this? The idea was that Ray would come and slap their shit before they got started.

>>28291976

Then why are you bitching about your theory of interdimensional ghosts being debunked, retard?

I fucking knew that one faggerino would ruin an otherwise good thread.

Ah, it's probably more then one, but fuck it, you're all one guy. One guy with thousands of arms. Like Arceus. You're like Arceus. You get one shot by Mega Rayqayza, which is who Zinnia worships.

>>28291993
>. She had just gone on a big rant about how they were literally about to do the same shit AZ did, which is kill scores of people to save a few.

But they're not the same thing at all. AZ nearly fucked a whole continent to save a single pokemon. Even if that entire rocket was powered by baby kittens it's either that or complete annihilation via meteor. Obviously it's not a good thing, but it's either that or trying to tank an extinction level event.

And even if she found it morally reprehensible, why destroy it? Why not keep it on the table so that if her plan failed, at least there would be the Link Cable to fall back on? Why guarantee that everyone would fucking die if she failed, to spare some other Hoenn that may not even exist?

Also she already saw her plan fail once because the world was in danger from Primal Fish/Lizard and Fug didn't wake up, didn't that make her stop and think? Her immediate thought was just NO WE GOTTA GO EVEN HARDER AND MAKE THINGS EVEN WORSE?

This is just really bad writing.

>>28291999
How many goddamn times do I have to say this. I was not the fucking person who brought that up, I FUCKING AGREED WITH YOU THAT IT WAS NEVER SAID ANYWHERE.

Goddamn, you people fucking can't read.

My entire argument was that not everything needs to be explained in Pokemon, and it fucking doesn't. Who gives a flying fuck. Some of you people on /vp/ are seriously some of the most fucking retarded people I have ever had the 'pleasure' to talk to in my goddamn life, and that says a lot considering I've been posting on 4chan since 05 and grew up in goddamn Virginia.

Jesus fucking christ.

>>28292083

But then why do you claim that draconids can see the alternate Hoenn with Arceus?

>>28292109
Holy fuck dude, how many times do I have to tell you I'm not those anons. I never was. How many times do I have to tell you before your reading comprehension takes hold?

I'll do it once more.

I. AM. NOT. THOSE. ANONS.

Was that slow enough for your brain damaged ass? Goddamn. I'm done with this shit, I can only take so much stupidity in one night.

>>28292065
>And even if she found it morally reprehensible, why destroy it? Why not keep it on the table so that if her plan failed, at least there would be the Link Cable to fall back on? Why guarantee that everyone would fucking die if she failed, to spare some other Hoenn that may not even exist?
You must not understand how religious zealots work, and Zinnia is very much a religious zealot.

When they find something against their creed, they go to any and all lengths to avoid it. It's that simple. To Zinnia, using the Devon made device was a fate worse than death. Even moreso because had things gone her way, she'd have died anyway.

To her, the other world DID exist. The meteor WOULD have destroyed it. Using the cable wasn't an option. She was running entirely on Faith.

Please note that THIS DOES NOT MAKE HER ACTIONS RIGHT. She is arguably JUST as screwed up as the scientists she hated. At the very least, it's understandable why she took the path she did

>>28292298

But how is she able to see the alternate Hoenn with a Mega Gengar?

>>28292325
Who said anything about a mega gengar?

>>28292369

You did
>>28290786
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>>28292163
nobody cares, samefaggot.

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>>28292383
That's not me dumbass, I just got here

>>28292439

It's easy to fake that and those "other guys" type like you. Obviously they are you and you just blame "other anons" after your ghost story was btfo

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>>28292471
Are you pretending to be retarded? I never said any of that. In fact, that's a stupid ass theory in the first place

>>28292499

Shhh just accept the consequences of your argument.

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Zinnia confirmed cannibal.

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>>28292725
Steven is like a harem protagonist.

>Busy being oblivious and collecting rocks and minerals
>Cynthia barges in "OH MY GOD DID YOU KNOW THAT IS AN ANCIENT MYTHOLOGICAL ROCK?!"
>Zinnia barges in shortly after "OH MY GOD STOP BEING EVIL AND LISTEN TO ME!"
>May barges in thereafter "..."