OU fucking when?

Lmao I don't see this happening

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>>28248729
>baiting this bad..................

Gonna need an Ubers1 and Ubers2 soon tbqh

>>28248729
>130 Attack
>sacred fire
>regenerator
>access to brave bird and recover

never ever

>>28248840
>130 attack
Not that great
>Sacred Fire
Good move, yeah
>Regenrator
Makes Stealth Rock hurt less, but because x4 ST weakness eh
>Brave Bird
Meh
>Recover
All birds have roost too, who cares?

>>28248865
106/90/154 Bulk with Roost/Recover is pretty solid, bro. And a move that usually burns means it's going on Stall Teams, where Stealth Rock won't be on the field because every time you try to get hazards up Mega Sableye comes out. If Ho-Oh were OU stall would be unstoppable. Not to mention it destroys Clefable and is a bitch to switch in on thanks to random Sacred Fire burns, making it the perfect teammate for Sableye.

>>28248729
>Deoxys (Normal/Defense/Speed)
>Reshiram
>Zekrom
>Giratina
>Dialga
>Palkia
>Genesect
>Shaymin-Sky
>All Arceus besides Normal-type
OU fucking when?

>>28248729
You do realize Ho-oh is currently S-rank in ubers. Regenerator completely btfos its sneaky pebble weakness.

Some interesting facts about Ho-oh:

1. Ho-oh is offensively no stronger than Garchomp. Its Brave Bird is exactly as powerful as Garchomp's Outrage and its Sacred Fire is exactly as strong as Garchomp's Earthquake.
2. Ho-oh's Brave Bird is weaker than Latios's Draco Meteor, and Flying is also a worse attacking type than Dragon.
3. Stealth Rock isn't the only residual damage that offsets the recovery Ho-oh gets from Regeneration. People often overlook the huge amount of recoil Ho-oh takes from Brave Bird and how much this recoil threatens its longevity.
4. People often think of Ho-oh's Brave Bird as being an incredibly powerful attack which OHKOs everything in the game, but that's only because it is commonly used with Choice Band, which is what allows it to OHKO Kyogre, Palkia, Rayquaza, etc. Assuming Garchomp holds Outrage, Garchomp's Outrage is exactly as strong. And there are 3 dragons in OU with higher Attack than Garchomp.

The only problem I can see with Ho-oh in OU is that it might cause the metagame to be heavily centralized around Stealth Rock, Rapid Spin, Magic Mirror and Spinblockers, with people running multiple of those. Such a metagame might not be very pleasant, but a test may not cause much harm.

>>28248960
>Genesect
>Shaymin-Sky
no
>>28248791
this

Ho-oh in OU sees Gen 4 Garchomp level usage.

>>28248729
>Currently ranked 5th best in Ubers
>"lol when will it drop to OU"

We'll legitimately see a Kyogre and Mewtwo drop sooner than we'd seen a Ho-Oh drop.

Ho-Oh is even amazing in Anything Goes, it's way too good for OU.

Things that should be re-tested for SM

-Mega Mawile
-Deoxys D
-Deoxys S
-Shaymin-Sky

Things that should maybe be re-tested
-Genesect
-Giratina-O
-Some Arceus forms, like Ice

>>28249025
Sky Doge in OU is a disaster waiting to happen. Holy fuck that would be dumb.

>>28248976
You're forgetting about that whole 154 Special Defense thing. That's the same as Florges but unlike Florges Ho-oh has acceptable physical defense and doesn't need Wish/protect to heal, so it has an extra moveslot.

Why do so many people look at Ho-OH's attack stats lackluster for a legend) and ignore that monstrous Special Defense? Ho-Oh was made for Assault Vest, since it can heal with Regenerator. With Assault Vest it's like a Blissey that actually has offensive presence.

every legendary belongs in ubers

>>28248976
Yes but Ho-oh Sacred Fire has very high burn chance. And Garchomp rarely runs outrage because of the risk of being locked into a dragon type move when Clefable is extremely common.

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>>28248729
>ou
>using dumb ass smogon tears outside of your site

SMOGONFAGS GET OuTTT REEEEEEEEEE

>>28249056
>252+ Atk Sharp Beak Talonflame Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Shaymin-S: 474-560 (139 - 164.2%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>28249025
>-Giratina-O

Giratina-O is top-tier Ubers, if only for its bulk and Defog potential.
It won't drop unless SM releases a perfect foil to it, I'm talking Groudon-P to Kyogre levels of foiling.
Arceus will probably never see drops, even in its useless forms, 120 Base speed and Recover is dangerous.
Deoxys-S is the go-to hazard setter in Ubers, it won't drop either.

I can see M-Mawile and Genesect coming down (since they literally no use in Ubers) and maybe Deoxys-D and Shaymin.

>>28248976
You posted this the last time this discussion came up and everybody BTFO'd you. Reminder that you can make anything seem underwhelming on paper, but when all of those positives are together it's easily one of the top mons in Ubers.

AG
Ubers
Ubers Baby
OU Xtreme
OU
UU
RU
NU
PU
URYFU

>>28249069
No?

Even absolute shitmons destroy Articuno, A fucking GOLEM can kill Articuno.

Most 580 BST legends suck ass or are decent at best, bar REEEE GENIES

Fucking Psuedos are stronger than 600 BST legends.

And Mythicals are garbage on average, like 3 out of 4 suck.

>>28249088
>Wanting more Bird Spam in OU
As soon as Sky Doge gets a Sub up the game is over.

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>>28249095
>Giratina-O
>good
Literally all of its viable sets get hard countered by Air Balloon Igglybuff.

>>28249095
Arceus Ice is raw shit, I could see it dropping if they felt like testing it.

>>28249088
Good logic - we should also allow Mega Rayquaza

252 Atk Choice Band Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Rayquaza in Strong Winds: 392-464 (111.6 - 132.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO


One thing outspeeds and kills it, therefore it isn't broken, right?

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>>28248976
>flying is a worse attacking type than dragon
>dragon stab hits dragon for SE, is resisted by steel and fairy is immune (both which run rampant through OU)
>flying hits fighting, bug and grass for SE, while being resisted by electric (lel), steel (which is offset by the secondary type of the steels in OU, and also by the fire stab) and rock (lel)

Nice shitpost famalam.

>>28248729
Greninja should go down.

Smogon Ubers viablity rankings, guys. Before you start suggesting stupid shit (like Ho-Oh getting drops)
S+: Primal Groudon
S: Xerneas, Mega Gengar, Mega Salamence, Arceus-Normal, Ho-Oh
A+: Darkrai, Klefki, Deoxys-Attack, Arceus-Water
A: Arceus-Ground, Mega Diancie, Arceus-Ghost, Lugia, Dialga, Giratina-O
A-: Yveltal, Deoxys-Speed, Primal Kyogre, Rayquaza, Arceus-Dragon, Latios, Landorus-T
B+: Mewtwo, Mega Sableye, Arceus-Rock, Bronzong, Tyranitar, Excadrill, Mega Mewtwo Y, Skarmory, Mega Kangaskhan, Shaymin-Sky
B: Latias, Jirachi, Ferrothorn, Arceus-Fairy, Zekrom, Mega Mewtwo X, Wobbuffet, Mega Lucario, Aegislash
B-: Chansey, Blissey, Cloyster, Scolipede, Arceus-Dark, Arceus-Ice, Mega Tyranitar, Greninja, Blaziken
C+: Alomomola, Mega Slowbro, Cresselia, Mega Scizor, Flygon, Mega Aerodactyl, Gothitelle, Giratina, Smeargle
C: Ditto, Palkia, Kyurem-White, Arceus-Grass, Mega Gyarados, Arceus-Electric, Arceus-Fighting, Clefable, Arceus-Poison
C-: Groudon, Landorus, Mega Mawile, Arceus-Steel
D Rank: Arceus-Bug, Arceus-Fire, Arceus-Flying, Arceus-Psychic, Deoxys, Deoxys-D, Genesect, Hoopa-Unbound, Kyogre, Mega Blaziken, Reshiram

How about we turn this shit thread into something decent?
What mons do you think have a decent chance of coming back to OU in S/M?
>Aegislash
>Blaziken
>Deoxys-Defense
>Genesect
>Hoopa-U
>Mega Mawile

>>28248791
Wouldn't work

BL tiers exist for certain Pokemon who have low usage in the tier they belong in, but can't go down one because they'd be too powerful

Since Ubers isn't usage-based, an Ubers-BL would be just OU with baddies

>>28249264

I cannot see Aegislash drop unless they alter the priority to Kings Shield (which, admittedly, might very well happen)
Blaziken is probably not coming down.
Deoxys-D will very likely be resuspected, as it has dropped to OU every gen then got subsequently banned off again.
Genesect definitely a chance for OU.
Hoopa-U ditto.
Mega-Mawile ditto.

I could see Reshiram dropping too.

>>28249264
I never had a problem with Hoopa-U when it was OU.

M-Mawile, Deoxys-D, and Aegislash I can see coming back to OU. Plus there's power creep from SM that we can't even fathom at this point.

>>28249164
Nice Rekt m8

>>28249264
Hoopa-U should never have been banned from OU. They just did it because stall wasn't able to easily crush it like stall does everything else. It won't come back as long as it threatens stall. From that list, Deoxys Defense and Genesect should be unbanned.

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>>28249264
I also forgot Landorus-I and, while I think it's improbable, Greninja too.

>>28249410
I dunno about Aegislash man, though I guess nothing from gen 7 can really deal with it.

>>28249434
Yeah man, Hoopa was definitely not Ubers material, it really sucks.

>>28249264
M-Mawile.
The thing is too easy to destroy.

>>28249257
>Klefki

Am I the only one who never had trouble with Aegislash at all?

Now I only averaged 1500s to early 1600s but he was never a problem for me when he was legal.

>>28249264
Mega Mawile and Aegislash

Deoxys-D and maybe S will probably make a short cameo again and then be thrown out, meanwhile Deoxys-N will continue to be the Wojak of mythical Pokemon

>>28249456
Lugia is worse than Ho-oh in Ubers though.

>>28249520
Prankster T-Wave yo (also screens, I guess).

>>28249537
you arent, smogon just hates mind games, they hate playing around king shield, they hate playimg around m-mawile's sucker punch, they would ban switches if the could

>>28249537
because you are playing fucking shit opponents

come back when you reach 2000+

>>28249564
I figured it was Prankster and its great typing, but it still took me by surprise how high up it was. Also nice seeing my bros Smeargle and Ditto up there

>>28249257
What makes Arceus-Normal the best one?

>>28249537
Aegislash was a deusey even with Mega Lopunny around

>>28249562
Exactly, on paper its a much better candidate for dropping to OU than probably even Reshiram

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>>28248976
>Assuming Garchomp holds Outrage
every time

Outrage is a MOVE, not a HELD ITEM

Seek mental help

>>28249605
It can run other items besides the plate, and it is also extremely strong with STAB Extremespeed. Think talonflame but WAY stronger while also being much bulkier and almost as fast.

>>28249605
I don't think there is much fighting use in ubers. There's M-blaziken and maybe somethings that pack it as coverage just for arceus.

>>28249605
Can use items. STAB Extreme Speed to go with Swords Dance.

>>28249671
M-luke and M-mewtwo X

>>28249654
>>28249688
Completely forgot it doesn't use a Plate to go Normal, that makes sense then.

>>28249068
>>28249070
>>28249097
>>28249188

he pasted this from gamefaqs you fucking retards, good job on taking the bait

>Lando-T should be ubers
>Aegislash should be OU, but "muh 50/50"

If Aegislash is in ubers because of that, why the fuck isn't Bisharp in Ubers then?

>>28249734
I think that the thing is "King's shield is a defensive 50/50, while Sucker Punch is an offenisve 50/50, so it contributes to matches being better" or something.

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>>28249734
>implying bisharp has 150 mixed offense and defense.

>>28249734
50/50 situations with Bisharp usually don't end in total sweeps

>>28249783
To be fair, if a 50/50 will decide a sweep, Bisharp is still more likely to be in that position than Aegislash.

Aegislash isn't a sweeper and never will be.

>>28249887
Not necessarily. Due to Aegislash's Stance Change and King's Shield, on top of Steel/Ghost, it can create more opportunities to do whatever it has to do while its in.

The problem with Aegislash was more about being too good rathen than sweep entire teams
He hard walled a lot of most making them totally unviable (MGarde, M Cham, Heracross, Chansey, MVenasuar, Lati@s, Terrakion, Metagross, etc) and there wasnt a reason to no use it, being good on every single play style, with priority, bulk and mix power
It wasnt that hard to play around, but was over centralising

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>>28249718
>going to gamefaqs

>>28249577
Not him but Aegislash would be a joke right now in top ladder OU considering Bisharp is everywhere.

>>28249257
>Reshiram
>D rank
I don't get it

>>28250437
Usage statistics, completely outclassed by Kyurem-W so he's never used.

>>28250437
Xerneas Bait

>>28249257
I have literally never played Ubers so this might be a dumb question, but what makes Flygon, cloyster, and scolipede viable in Ubers at all?

>>28249257
Chansey and Blissey are in the same rank huh.

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>>28248865
>Actually playing singles ever.

>thunking smogon matters other than to a small group of autists

>>28250773
Nice bait.

>>28248976
Some interesting facts about Primal Groudon:

1. Primal Groudon is offensively no stronger than Garchomp. Its Earthquake only just more powerful as Garchomp's earthquake with a life orb and its Precipice Blades is the same situation when compared to outrage.
2. Primal Groudons Precipice Blades is weaker than Latios's Draco Meteor, and Ground is also a worse attacking type than Dragon.
3. Primal Groudon can't hold an item, this hinders it significantly. People often overlook its mediocre speed that leaves it open to being revenge killed also, this is especially compounded by it not being able to hold a choice scarf.
4. People often think of Primal Groudons Precipice Blades as being an incredibly powerful attack which OHKOs everything in the game, but that's only because it is commonly used with Swords Dance, which is what allows it to OHKO Kyogre, Palkia, Avalugg*, etc. Assuming Garchomp has Outrage, Garchomp's Outrage is almost as strong. And there are 3 dragons in OU with higher Attack than Garchomp.

*+2 252+ Atk Primal Groudon Stone Edge vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Avalugg: 356-420 (90.5 - 106.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>28250778
>i dont like what you said so what you said is invalid and just bait

Nice autism kid. Do you need a "safe space" to save you from logic and facts ?

>all these newfags don't know that this was a meme a few years back

>>28250938
>being an oldfag

>>28250945
>not being trapped in this hell forever

>>28250773
>>28250935
Not him but, do you have any reading comprehension?

The OP explicitly mentions the tier OU, which is a smogon tier, so why would he be wrong if the thread is talking about smogon singles, fuck off nigger.

>>28250625
Scolipede is a decent speed passer, and also has endeavor and tspikes. Cloyster can still do stuff with shell smashing, while also being able to set up spikes and tspikes.
Flygon, I dunno.

>>28250625
I'll throw you some links.
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/cloyster/uber/
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/flygon/uber/
http://www.smogon.com/dex/xy/pokemon/scolipede/uber/

>>28251218
Flygon completely walls non-dragon tail primal groudon sets

>>28248729
Never, faget.

>>28249025
>Giratina-O for OU
They did that just last year.

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This thing has a better chance of being OU then Ho-oh will ever have.

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>>28248729
Anon, I...

>>28254198
I'm guessing OU friendly but still very usable in Ubers, though if it has any serious speed it could stand out as a serious stallbreaker.

>>28249068
>With Assault Vest it's like a Blissey that actually has offensive presence
>0 SpA Mew Psychic vs. 252 HP / 4 SpD Blissey: 76-90 (10.6 - 12.6%) -- possibly the worst move ever
>0 SpA Mew Psychic vs. 248 HP / 0 SpD Assault Vest Ho-Oh: 45-54 (10.8 - 13%) -- possible 8HKO
You weren't kidding.

Blissey is slightly bulkier on the physical side with the standard 252/252+ investment, though.
>0 SpA Mew Psyshock vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Blissey: 156-184 (21.8 - 25.7%) -- possible 5HKO after Leftovers recovery
>0 SpA Mew Psyshock vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Ho-Oh: 94-112 (22.6 - 26.9%) -- 44.6% chance to 4HKO
That's hilarious.

No >670 BST Pokémon belongs in OU. Period.

>>28254349
Look at poor Kyurem-Blach though. Lack of a good Physical Ice move hit him pretty hard.

>>28250935
Nice bait, kid.

>>28254349
Found the elitist.

>>28254579
Ignore my comment. Interpreted wrong.

>>28254533
He would be Uber if he got Icicle Crash. There is no reason why he shouldn't anyway, he's literally covered in icicles.

>>28254794
Or at the very least Ice Punch.

Remember when Giratina-O was allowed in OU for April Fools? Shit was hilarious.

>>28249155
Arceus Ice is morer than usable in ubers because Ice STAB ravages a lot of shit like Mega mence and Yveltal and EVERYTHING that resists ice is hard countered by Primal Groudon, the king of ubers.

>>28250916
Garchomp never runs outrage anyway because of fairies. Most Legendaries have the same shit speed but make up for it with stellar defenses not given to normal Pokemon. Primal Groudon gets access to things like STAB Eruption which it can use to great effect. It can easily get a boost off just by switching in to primal kyogre. Ground is a much better attacking type than dragon because it hits the most important defensive type super effectively: that being steel. Dragon can only hit Dragon super effectively which while common in Ubers just means the bulky legends can weather the super effective hit then strike back one shotting that squishy Latios that is now weaken due to Draco meteor. It can also basically shut down what should be a quad weakness by just being present on the field

>>28249084
You're not frogposting correctly.

>>28248729
It's not dropping OP

>130 base Atk + STAB Sacred Fire + 50% chance to burn
>Access to recovery (roost, recover)
>Base 154 SpD
>Access to Earthquake for anything that Sacred Fire can't hit

It's a better talonflame, but hits harder and is way bulkier

I think they are worst ubers than Ho Oh