>banned to ubers Defend this, smogonfags.

>Implying MegaMence isn't impossible to counter

>>28223811
>Implying we need to defend something that can defend itself from a SE garchomp outrage

>>28223811
>that speed
>that bulk
>that ability

What are you on about anon? It's one of the most common most in higher Ubers play

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I don't even play online and I can see this thing is damn good for OU.

>>28223860
Counter it with Mega Fug, clearly

>>28223860
>swinub used ice shard
>greninja used ice beam

>>28223811

>Base 145 Attack
>Base 130 Defense (on top of Intimidate to prior to Mega evolving)
>Base 120 Speed

It's simply too strong, bulky, and fast. Ice Shard isn't strong enough to OHKO it.

>>28223941
>252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Double-Edge vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Mega Rayquaza: 303-357 (86.3 - 101.7%) -- 12.5% chance to OHKO

>>28223981
MegaFug can hold items, that make it so he can move first or hold on surely, or hit harder.

Its the reason that he's the most broken of all mons, since he's a mega that can use items.

>>28223860
>shuckle used power trick
>shuckle used giga impact

Banning to uber is so dumb anyway.
Although... Intimidate follow up to Aerilate Dragon with 700 bst is also dumb. Mega Mence has 130 defense. After Intimidate attack drop, Mega Mawile is not even enough to 1hko it with Play Rough and it can hit back with a Fire Blast. No Physical Pokemon can counter it, no staller can set up enough to stall it out, no Special Sweeper can survive a single hit from it. It's both Special and Physically, even mix, viable. Access to Dragon Dance to wallbreak any mon under uber. 120 Base Speed, virtually outspeeding anything under Greninja. Right now, my main plays to counter it outside of uber-mon are Destiny Bond, Perish Song, and Scarfed Ice Beam.

>>28224009
>Its the reason that he's the most broken of all mons, since he's a mega that can use items.

It's the best Pokemon because its the only Pokemon over 700 BST that isn't restricted by a dumb ability or transformation item

Mega Steelix with items is still a hard ask

>>28223860
>Weavile Icicle Crash vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mega Salamence: 442-530 (112.4 - 134.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
Done.

Even as a person who really dislikes the way Smogon does things, is against a good 50% of both Pokemon and mechanic bans they do and really wishes another competitive Pokemon community for singles would arise and overtake them I believe you're a fucking idiot if you can't see why this thing was banned.

>>28224249

Weavile can't switch in and is therefore not a counter.

>>28224249
Has that Weavile been Intimidated?

>>28224249
>implying Weavile will live long enough to accomplish that
>implying Weavile isn't at -1 due to Intimidate on the base bulky set, thus missing the KO

>>28224249
Did you actually calculate in the Intimidate attack drop in the beginning of the turn? No? Kay.

HP Ice Mega Manectric?

>>28223811
+1 252+ Atk Aerilate Mega Salamence Facade (140 BP) vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 702-826 (109.3 - 128.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

What were they thinking?

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>>28223860
>>28223981
>>28224249
>>28224329
Wtf I love Mega Salamence now?

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>600+ BST water type
>its hot garbage

you literally cannot defend this
fuck you gamefreak

>>28224707
It's about what I expected, sans no Steel subtyping

>>28224707
It's the best spinner in the game.

>>28224249
>Weaville can switch in safely
>Weaville isn't intimidated if it already is in the field

Nice!

>>28224404
>4hp chansey

>>28224755
THE BEST SPINNA IN THE MOTHERFUCKING GAAAAAAME

>>28224707
That's because it doesn't actually USE its cannons, so it deliberately nerfs itself.

>>28224754
This. Should've been part steel with Flash Canon as a wave move. Would've been so much better.
Also, for being a spinner that's immune to toxic spike.

>>28224755
>no recovery
I've only used it a few times, but I was disappointed each time. Who'd use their mega for a Rapid Spinner that can't spin more than once?

>>28223811

He tore OU's ass apart with no effort, dumb Karenposter

>>28224926
If you're using a defensive team then you could always try Wish Passing into it.

>>28224795

4 HP Chansey is standard.

>>28224707
Would Origin Pulse move it to OU?

>>28224988
Really? I've never used chansey, for some reason

>>28223811
If fucking GRENINJA of all things was banned to Ubers, shit like MegaMence more than deserve to be there as well

>>28225006

Uh ya, considering Chansey has base 250 HP

Adding an extra 60+ HP isn't going to matter much compared to adding an extra 60+ to Defense instead.

This thing is fucking S tier in Ubers dude.

I'm a horrible person for taking the bait but ugh

>>28224989
Shell Smash would be enough

>>28225075
>ugh I took le b8 xdd
Why don't ya stick a barbed baseball bat up your ass, kiddo?

>>28224989
Shell Smash

>>28224989

It'd have to Compete with Keldeo but...

252+ SpA Mega Launcher Mega Blastoise Origin Pulse vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Mew: 218-258 (53.9 - 63.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

(Had to make some small adjustments as Damage Calc wasn't calculating Mega Launcher's Boost.)

and

>252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 224+ SpD Mew: 198-234 (49 - 57.9%) -- 56.3% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery.

>>28225228
Punch me or kiss me faggot

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>>28224249
>Weavile can wall Mega Salamence

Thank you for enlightening me anon. Someone should look up what counters are.

>>28224404
Why is this both assuming that salamence boosted and has a status to double the power of facade?

>>28225351
B-but that's what Chansey does...

So many scrubs in this thread.

>>28225351
What else would Chansey do to it besides Toxic or Thunder Wave?

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Yes Yes, well done Salamence

HOWEVER

Inb4
>special Salamence

>>28225462
Forgot to calc the intimidate --> Ice punch is still a 2HKO, while Mence EQ isn't

>>28224249
Thats not what a counter is dumbass, weaville cant switch in and force the switch out, there's no pokemon on OU who can counter megamence, it was instabanned before the official ORAS release

>>28224755

Mega Blastoise is not the best spinner in the game lmao. It's not even better than regular Blastoise with leftovers. At lest then it had some recovery.
Starmie is much better than Mega Blastoise as a spinner.

>>28225506

Not to mention losing a Mega Slot.

>>28225462
So I will be forced to run M-aggron in every team just because some meta herd fags will run megamence?

>>28225506
Starmie can't remove spinblockers like Mega Blastoise's Dark Pulse can and it's pursuit bait.

>>28223811
Megamence is the strongest thing in UBERS, next to p-groudon and mega fug. How the fuck can you think it's balanced in OU?

>>28225462
That's the teambuilding liability.

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>>28225598
>M-Fug
>Ubers

>>28224321
MegaMence has the even more cancerous Aerilate

>>28224329
>>28224332
>>28224790
read >>28225629
Maybe if Weavile was used the turn before Salamence mega evolved it would get the intimidate drop.

>>28225592
Blastoise is slow as shit and gets worn down easily. Starmie has recovery and can dent then outspeed spinblockers, as well as outspeed and OHKO Gengar.

Dedicating a mega slot to hazard removal is a huge waste.

>>28225699
Sure, but then Starmie gets Pursuit trapped by TTar and you're left with a 5v6

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>>28225741
>not running hydro pump on starmie

>>28225794
>Hydro Miss
>When Scald exists
What are you, fucking gay?

>>28225794

Most run Scald.

>>28225816

Hydro Pump isn't bad on an offensive Analytic set.

>>28225816
if you want raw power,hydro pump is clearly superior

vp is good at competetive
not

>>28225844
>Running analytic starmie

>>28225913
Illuminate is the superior choice.

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>>28224707
Look at the bright side: with Blastoise's mega FOREVER sealing his fate as a bad offensive Mega Pokemon, and Blastoise already being totally outclassed by his predecessor as a defensive Pokemon, the uncontested winner of the BEST DESIGN OF 1996 IS ACTUALLY GOING TO BE THE ONE WHO REIGNS SUPREME IN THE END AT LONG LAST

RETARDED CANNON-SPROUTING-TURTLEFAGS ON SUICIDE WATCH FROM NOW UNTIL THE END OF TIME

>>28225913

Found the shitter. Starmie forces switches, Analytic works if the opposing pokemon switched, it's the best ability for offensive Starmie.

You're shit.

>>28223860
Lapras

>>28225956
Uh wot, M-Blastoise just needs Shell Smash to be a top tier OU pokemon.

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>>28225844
Analytic only works if the user moves last and Starmie has a great speed-tier so that's not going to happen often.

>>28225956
>Blastoise's mega FOREVER sealing his fate as a bad offensive Mega Pokemon
>Pokemon can never get new moves

>>28225985

See
>>28225966

Don't talk about competitive and abilities when you're in elo hell, retard.

>>28225983
Shell Smash will get it fucking banned actually. There's a reason it doesn't get it. It's like Dragon Dance Garchomp or Nasty Plot Gengar.

>>28225682
T. Filthy casuals who don't know any better.
Intimidate activate immediately after the start of the battle and before the mega.
inb4, b-but what about after it has mega and it switches in for revenge kill.
Not knowing Single MegaMence is most definitely Dragon Dancing monster that would destroy even FUG.

>>28225977
Hot garbage whenever its not facing Mega Salamence, also hates boosted attacks

>>28225985
Analytic activates when the opponent switches, too

>>28224755
starmie is better.

>mfw I've defeated Megamence with Mega Loppuny and Meloetta before
Granted it was a buffed Power up Punch Lopunny and a Meloetta that either relic dances his ass to sleep or Ice Punches him while he dragon dances

>>28226002
>>28226037
Your opponent is obviously going to catch onto what you're doing and will just play around it with Starmie's counters. Maybe that would be good on a rain team but Tyranitar has Sand Stream to interrupt your momentum.

>>28225966
I love you, every time I face an Analytic Starmie I just paralyze them and they pretty much become dead weight. Thanks for the free elo.

>>28225913
>>28225985

Retards spotted.

Starmie forces a lot of switches, hence whatever comes in is going to take a huge hit. Life Orb + Analytic boost hits hard as fuck. The bulky, Natural Cure set is the most common but offensive, Analytic is very good as well.

>>28226037
>Hot garbage whenever its not facing Mega Salamence, also hates boosted attacks
Some meme set of like Max HP with some attack investment and ice shard can kill mega salamence 100% of the time.
Counter by defintion, bro.
Sure you'll get abused by the 500 other threats but look on the bright side, mega salamence wont sweep you :^)

>>28226038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOGaugKpzs

>>28226059
What in the literal fuck.

>bring Starmie onto a pokemon weak to it
>opponent either sacs it or switches and takes an analytic boosted move

???

>bringing Tyranitar against Starmie

Literally wot.

>>28226076
>staying with frail as shit Starmie on a pokemon who doesn't get OHKO'd by it

You're embarassing, stop replying.

>>28226059

Even resisted Hydro Pumps and Psychics do a lot with the Analytic boost and Life Orb. It's also fast and has good coverage, so it can just pick off the switch-in/"counter".

>>28226087
Don't reply, they're either baiting or sub 1200 rating elo hell, actually seems like both.

>>28226117
Oh I use a pretty bulky team so Starmie can't really OHKO anything in it.

>>28226098
Reminds me of those people that ran Shedinja to counter Scarfogre in gen 4

>>28226174
Those were good times.
I miss gen 4.

>>28223860
focus sash

>>28226117
I mean going Starmie into Tyranitar

>>28223860
But anon, it's not a ghost type.

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>>28226140
>>28226130
>eviolite chansey

>Blastoise isn't as good a spinner as Starmie since he's slow and lacks recovery
>Lists a Starmie set that doesn't use Recover and relies on opponents moving after it to deal more damage.

>>28226262
Prime opportunity to switch out my Starmie and switch in my Gengar. Thanks.

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>>28225794
Starmie's #1 fan here. TTar on an even playing field WILL beat a Starmie, no ifs ands or buts. It's a problem Pokemon for it and because of the sand, Tyranitar's special defense acts as if from a base 159 Pokemon's (31 IV, 0 SpD) and scales all the way up to the same as a base 175 Pokemon's (31 IV, 252 SpD).

>>28226262
>le chansey xD

Chansey is a counter to every special attacker with any ability but still, just to make shitters like you shut the fuck up

252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 243-289 (37.8 - 45%) -- 7.4% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock

Every other ebin thunder wave "bulky" user you may have gets 2HKO way more easily on the switch, nice argument, retard.

>>28226312
No problem, have fun with your useless paralyzed Gengar.

>>28226344
This would be retarded if it didn't have 7 weaknesses

>>28226262
252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Psyshock vs. 4 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Chansey: 243-289 (37.8 - 45%)

It's not fantastic damage but with rocks chansey dies if its at 80% or below. Starmie is not a pushover.

Additionally, despite what the shitters want you to think, stall is not the only team on ladder. At best, stall is still <20% of what you'll be playing against.

>>28226310
You're referring to two different people.

Just because Starmie struggles against TTar doesn't make Blastoise a better spinner. Blastoise struggles against everything just by virtue of its shit speed and no recovery. It's less reliable outside of one specific matchup, and lacks the power to justify a mega slot.

>>28226344
252 SpA Life Orb Analytic Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 338-400 (99.1 - 117.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock

Uh?

>>28226369
The point is that its SpD is huge enough to survive the hydro pump even despite the weakness, and Tyranitar isn't polite enough to use non-OHKO moves against Starmie itself.

>>28226376
>It's not fantastic damage but with rocks chansey dies if its at 80% or below. Starmie is not a pushover.
You can just remove this whole part since it's not relevant in the slightest.

>>28226398
I'm agreeing with you, i'm just pointing out the humongous bulk

>>28226398
It isn't, average Tyranitar gets OHKO'd by Hydro Pump, are you retarded.

>>28226310
>discussing different sets

retard

>>28226388
Hey remember when you said you were SPINNING

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>>28226369
>IT HAS WEAKNESSES INCLUDING A 4X ONE SO IT MUST BE PU TRASH

>>28226461
>Focus Blast missed!

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>Starmie tries to spin
>Send my ghost
>Nothing it can do

>>28226388
Why are you getting an Analytic boost, you brought in Starmie to SPIN, that's the point of this discussion. Starmie spins, TTar is in, and then doesn't get an analytic boost due to being dead (scarftar) or faster (non-scarftar).

>>28223811
damn smogon has some strange criteria
>if nothing can stay in against it, it has no counters

Tyranitar can't switch in on a Hydro Pump. Wtf am I reading.
It can revenge kill if it's scarfed, sure.

>>28223860
>>28223811
Of course there are ways to counter it.

But fucking Smogon can't competitive play for shit

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>>28223811
What's there to defend? Anyone bans things so the game can stay fun. Facing that monstrosity online in-game isn't fun at all, and having it in OU would be overcentralizing to say the very least.

Why is it we have a whole board dedicated to one game and almost no one knows how the fuck the things work? How is so much of the board composed of utter casuals?

There's literally nothing wrong with Smogon's bans; I love Aegislash, but I can understand if using it makes things unfun. And it's not banned in dubs/trips, so I can still use it all I want.

>retards don't know how to read
>discussion about Starmie vs Blastoise is over
>Analytic discussion took over

This is all over the place now because of low ladder autists.

>>28226498
Give me a consistent counter then

>le spinning instead of OHKOing the obvious switchin

Epic low elo strategy. I mean only a retard would switch a Tyranitar into a Starmie.

By the way, since you're both retarded shitters

Even without Analytic boost

252 SpA Life Orb Starmie Hydro Pump vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tyranitar in Sand: 265-312 (77.7 - 91.4%) -- 25% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

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>call people low elo
>don't post your own elo

People just need to accept that maybe, just maybe, your favorite mon is a shitmon and some pokemon are just completely out of the league of other conventional pokemon.
I know I did, with Kecleon being severely outclassed by memeninja. It's unfair, that's life.
Grow up you underages.

>>28226522
There's nothing to discuss here, just retards thinking fucking Tyranitar is a Counter to Starmie without even knowing the difference between Counter and Check, Tyranitar can't risk switching into a Hydro Pump, if he tries to predict Starmie switching and uses Pursuit he gets OHKO'd by Hydro Pump anyway even if scarfed.

It's just retarded shitters talking like they know anything.

Mega Salamence so broken. It would even set up on and beat Steel types like Magnezone. It didn't even need coverage. DD, Roost, Return/Double Edge, Substitute was enough to destroy 99% of teams.

>>28226506
OP is just baiting by the way. A more controversial ban would be Greninja, but literally everyone knew MMence was getting banned the second it hit the game.

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>>28226552
Anything below the highest i've reached is low ELO

>>28225741
>not stuntin all over them by using Reflect Type

kys

>>28226582

It can't even risk switching in on a bulky Scald set. 100% burn + a chunk of damage.

>>28226357
Which paralysis?
My Gengar was holding a Chery Berry, and it already put up a substitute on the second turn.

>>28226614
Then it gets killed by Serene Grace Shadow Ball

>>28226477
If you're using a Ghost-type in OU that isn't Gengar, you're already lost.

>>28226637
But my gengar had reflect type too

>>28226647
Chandelure is a great Charizard-Y check.

>>28226647
gemlin

>>28226647
>what is mega-sableye

>>28226653
Have fun dealing with Drain Punch

>>28226653
HOLY SHIT, GENGAR DOES LEARN THAT!
Gen 1 movepool favouritism sure is something, I'm amazed.

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>>28226707
Gengar is insane.

>>28223811
lmao, focus sash cloyster exists guys

>>28226707
Reflect Type in general has strange distribution

Omastar gets it too, as well as Stunfisk

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>>28226647
J-just you wait, I'll be the next Tangrowth!

>>28226800
you will,when fucking knock off gets nerfed

>>28226800
252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Cofagrigus: 244-291 (76.4 - 91.2%) -- 31.3% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock

>>28226800

Trick Room Nasty Plot isn't too bad in OU right now.

>>28226814
Even after that I think Jellicent is more useful as a bulky ghost.

>>28223811

This was the most broken thing to ever tough gen 6 OU. No need for an explanation.

>>28226849
+2 252+ Atk Life Orb Bisharp Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 252 HP / 240+ Def Landorus-T: 341-403 (89.2 - 105.4%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO

Actually Bisharp is broken as fuck, mostly because of Dark buff as an offensive type and Knock Off buff.

Salamence was banned in ORAS for the same reason it followed Garchomp to Uber in DPP: it just has too many things it can run. Even with just DD/Return/EQ, it still has an extra slot to fuck up whatever counters you could come up with.
M-Slowbro with ice beam? hyper voice/draco
unaware? broken by sheer power, or draco'd/shouted at
eq immune steels? fire blast
dank air balloon heatran? aqua tail/hydro pump, which coincidentally covers bulky grounds/rhyperior
Status? sub, possibly with roost to keep the rape train going without brakes
Phazing? mence learns roar, but no one outside of dedicated cteamers and showderp would use it
The fact that mence
>>>>Can
run these things is important though. no one set can run a move to bop every counter, and if it did, it would probably suck against everything else. A major argument for keeping it in OU isn't that it's held back by 4 moveslot syndrome.

>>28226932
unrelated but bisharp is kept in check by the prevalence of SkillPony™, mega sab, mega venu to a lesser extent, and a bunch of other shit that doesn't care about knock off. It was most threatening back when deosharp was still legal.
SD sets are still godly on offense tho

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>>28227101
>aerilate hyper voice
Who thought this was a good idea?

wew

How do I get above 1400, /vp/?

>>28228884
Spam thunder wave with Slowbro. That's how I got to 1800.

>>28223811
>Defend this
it's too strong for OU?

>>28227475
the same that thougth that aerilate return was a good idea

>>28226653
Oh wow, this is too much fun.

>>28228884
git gud

>>28226087
>Switching on a frail starfish.

>>28228884

Stall. You'll get to 1400 on forfeits alone.

>>28223811
>defending Smogon

>>28223811
>has 4x weakness
>item slot taken by mega stone
How the fuck did it get into ubers?

>>28233536
Speed*bulk*1.3 BP on normal attacks then stab*massive attack statS

Also intimidates cuts down on Ice shard

>>28233536

Retard shitter spotted.

>>28233536
252 Atk Life Orb Mamoswine Ice Shard vs. 248 HP / 136+ Def Mega Salamence: 224-270 (56.9 - 68.7%)

>>28233604
Is that with intimidate?

>>28233634
No.

Such great stats, amazing ability too.

I wish Garchomp's mega got the same treatment.

Isn't he like in EVERY top 10 team in VGC?
Why wouldn't he be in ubers?
MegaFug is the only thing that can compare at what he does. And that's MegaFug.