Competitive general /cg/

>>28206992
Is weakness policy Multiscale Dragonite viable?


what about Lugia?

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>>28206992
>We make shit tier pokemon competitively viable edition
Hello

Where do I go to learn the basics of competitive fighting? Do people use them 3ds games or no?

If you're gonna make this thread atleast contribute to it please

>>28207116
Just play it as a baton passer on a great sweeper and it'll be good

>>28207022
Yes but good players try to kill them without hitting a weakness until it can be ko'd same with Aegislash.

>>28207022
It extremely is, dd/agility in the first turn while facing a SE attack and depending on the moveset you can easily sweep

>>28207191
Whenever i face a dragonite i hit it with anything and then ide beam does the rest

>>28207116
One of the best batton passers

>>28207253
I like to switch in on lati@s Draco meteor personally

Anyone thinks I should focus EVs in one of the defenses of Mega Garchomp instead of the speed? I feel the 92 base essentially means most things that kill me would hit me faster either way, so the defenses would counter this

>>28207116
Give it a choice band and it's a pretty decent revenge killer in PU

>>28207489
Well you probably should be running mega chomp anyways

Can I make using doublade over aegislash work? I know he wont be as good but is he usable?

>>28207489
Just find everything you want to outspeed and EV accordingly.

I would run enough speed for Adamant KyuB personally. I don't know how common speedy KyuB is.

>>28207514
So, should I split the EVs among the defenses or focus on special?

>>28206992
Well it's not a shit tier Pokemon, but I do have a question.

On my Mega Gallade, should I run Shadow Sneak, Ice Punch, Zen Headbutt, or Knock Off for the last moveslot? I don't plan on using Bisharp on my team if that helps.

>>28207563
It was that I was thinking once I go Mega, things that can use Ice Beam or things like Chari X would be able to hit me faster. So, Mega G. would die after scoring the first hit. Not to mention while 102 surpasses ones with 100, it still loses to things with 110 like Mega Latios, so the Mega Evolution would work by raising my attack and to an extent defenses against those freaks

>>28207578
Tell us the rest of your team first so we can see what you require coverage for.

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So the first step is to get yourself a Dunsparce. This little bastard has one of the stupidest movesets in the game. Run Serene Grace, King's Rock, Glare, Headbutt, Roost, and Ancientpower. Max speed, as much defense as possible.

>>28207595
I don't think any EV spread would help you tank a Draco Meteor or a +1 Tough Claws Dragon Claw.

It's not like Mega Garchomp is supposed to take on Latis and faster Dragons. It's better versus defensive teams.

>>28207607
Oh right, my bad. My teambuilding is shit, so the team's still very much a work in progress. Beyond the fact that I'm using these mons nothing is final.

Merri (Azumarill) (F) @ Choice Band
Ability: Huge Power
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Aqua Jet
- Superpower
- Play Rough
- Knock Off

Dango (Gallade-Mega) @ Galladite
Ability: Inner Focus
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Shadow Sneak
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch
- Skill Swap

Supplice (Metagross) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Clear Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Meteor Mash
- Pursuit

I was thinking of running Life Orb and Stealth Rock on Metagross, and perhaps replacing Bullet Punch with some more coverage but again nothing is final.

>>28207663
Ohhh... What would you recomment then to deal with those situations, like, say, a Dragon Danced Chariz X?

>>28207679
Shadow Sneak is looking more tempting to me just to be able to handle Gengar easier. Question is this for battle spot or showdown?

>>28207679
>>28207679
gonna be straight up here your mega gallade set is bad and it doesnt really synergize with (metagross's) pursuit well, and im not really seeing where azumarill fits in. all this is assuming you're playing smogon ou

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so i memed up this little team for an inverse tournament and it's gotten me pretty far but i'm wondering if i could make it better somehow
http://hastebin.com/wazefirigu.md

>>28207704
Priority.
Thunder Wave.
Azumarill is a good answer but it will take a LOT from a boosted Flare Blitz so don't just switch it in mindlessly or let it get low.
Sneaky pebbles.

>>28207781
understood, sempai

>>28207728
Showdown.

>>28207765
Ha, yeah I figured as much. I thought I was being clever by using Skill Swap to fuck over Pokemon that rely on their abilities like M-Sableye and M-Medicham, among others.

I'll be totally honest, I just put these three Pokemon together on a team because they're some of my favorites. Obviously that doesn't really work when you're trying to play competitively, but I was hoping I'd find a way to create some semblance of synergy. I'll try and do more research, though.

Experienced OU player here. If you have any questions of relevance/want help, just ask.

>>28207975
post showdown rating

>>28207975
What's the viability of non-Mega Lucario in the meta-game?

>>28208038
that's like claiming to be a doctor offering medical advice and you asking for the amount of cousins he has

>>28208073
then post tournament accomplishments with proofs

>>28207975
how do you deal with the autism that is elo hell just to get to the real part of the rankings? it just gets so fucking dull and stupid that i never bother going up much

>>28208090
what are you saying? elo hell is the best part, its like you dont want to face shitters using gengar with dark pulse and air balloon volcarona

>>28207975
What do you think about Gen VI OU? Better or worse than V? IV?

>>28208038
The latest account I've used on Showdown is Swarm Change, so you can go see my rank. I stopped playing on it since last Friday since I was doing a self-imposed challenge of using non-OU mons, each from a different generation, with no type overlap. I've hit 1900s before on other alts.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ou-424089302
Here's a replay of my challenge team.

>>28208047
SD Lucario is pretty great, but it's a bit of a gamble to use. LO Close Combat, Iron Tail, and E-Speed is the set unless you wanna go Ice Punch or Crunch or something.

+2 LO E-Speed is strong enough to OHKO Latios after Rocks iirc.

>>28208090
Elo hell rarely ever fazes me since I rarely lose that low with a team I'm laddering with. If I lose below 1400 at all it's because of an important freeze or crit or miss.

>>28208136
early xy was fucking glorious, it got worse when smogon started banning stallbreakers, but oras is still better than the shitfest that were weather wars in gen 5

i havent played gen 4 competitively so i cant really tell

>>28208136
Tough to say. IV was pretty great because of the lack of power creep that came with Gen V and VI. But I like VI more than V because weather wars were pretty cancerous.

I'm kinda biased toward VI a bit at the same time since while IV was more controlled, VI has more diverse options to go to.

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>>28207116
Ninjask isn't really relevant anymore as a Baton Passer with Scolipede stealing its thunder.

Nowadays it mostly does >>28207507 but it's decently strong and you can afford to run Adamant and still outspeed stuff like Electrode.

>>28207614
I always get a kick out of these. I'm more of a Serene Grace + Ice Beam guy myself.
Also, King's Rock doesn't affect moves that already have a chance of flinching.

>>28208047
Great in UU, niche in OU. It's a strong pokemon that go can either physical or special and breaks holes/setup sweeps very handily.

>>28208151
>opponent is retarded
lol

>>28208376
That's part of the fun I get from using under-utilized mons. At first they think it's a joke that should be easy, but then they don't know how to properly react to these guys, or they need to test the waters.

The same opponent is #2 on the ladder at the moment.

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Scrub here, anyone want to play some UU? Can do actual 3ds or showdown.

>>28208273
Why are you still making contributions? You do not know anything about competitive.

>>28208457
i'm down for it, pretty bored anyway
which you wanna do?

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>>28208522
3ds is preffered but if you want SD that's cool. FC?

>>28208671
1719-4198-1213

>>28207022
Yes.

>>28208854
Cool, just add me and we're set.

>>28208936
send challenge any time

>>28208953
Sorry, IGN? Are you Jalen?

>>28209005
ues

>>28209030
Sent a request

anyone playing Battle Spot Doubles?

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>actually, legitimately keeping a reuni in against a krook of all things

>>28209181
LOL, wasn't expecting focus blast were you?

Did you purposely end it? Counting it as your win, my quag couldn't stall that shit. GG, never played a stall team and you destroyed me.

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>disconnected right before i can slam quag with chesnaught
goddamnit

>letting me set up crocune that far
>proceeding to scarf my crocune
>then sacing everything BUT the unaware mon that could stand a chance to PP stall
you're not too bad in general though, just gotta work on your decision making a fair bit
you're damn lucky i clicked pursuit over knock off with krook though

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My Snorlax in my UU team kick ass, but if someone faints him I get wrecked a good majority of the time, anyone have any tips?

>>28209487
I really didn't know what to do with the suicune, I actually have never encountered one. I'm not sure quag could've stalled. If I did toxic and recover stalling I think you would've ourspeeded me anyway before I could recover and sweep everything.

Volcarona @ Lum Berry
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
Modest Nature
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fire Blast
- Giga Drain

can someone tell me what to do with this set? should i breed for a different nature like timid or is this okay? i know it's a pretty standard moveset but i still want help.

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Repost from previous

Improve my dubs team
Most sets are fairly standard, Hydreigon has LO and Protect over Specs and Gardevoir is a modest one with just enough speed to outspeed Bisharp, a full 252 in Sp. Att, and the rest in defense and HP.

Even though Thunder Wave is my only method of speed control, I've been fairly successful with this team so far.

Making a team out of my favorite pokémon, but I'd also like it to actually function well together.

So far I'm thinking:

Mega-Scizor @ Scizorite (Technician)
Slowking @ Assault Vest (Regenerator)
Tangrowth @ Leftovers (Regenerator)
Weavile @ Life Orb (Pressure)

Scizor, Tangrowth, and Weavile all get BTFO by Fire-Type, so I think I want at least two Fire-Resistant types (Slowking + ???).
I know Slowbro is better than Slowking, but I like Slowking too much.
Some of my other favorites are Gengar, Dragonite, Bisharp, Sharpedo, Flygon.

Got any suggestions?

>>28209564
>max speed Sylveon
People still run this meme spread?

>>28208457
>>28208671
Still up for UU if anybody wants to.

>>28210292
also heres the rest of my team, im pretty new to this but i tried to make an ubers team: Volcarona (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Flame Body
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 72 HP / 252 SpA / 184 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Quiver Dance
- Bug Buzz
- Fire Blast
- Giga Drain

Ferrothorn (M) @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Iron Barbs
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Giga Drain
- Stealth Rock
- Power Whip

Greninja (F) @ Life Orb
Ability: Protean
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Naive Nature
- Dark Pulse
- Gunk Shot
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Ice Beam

Clefable (F) @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Wish
- Protect
- Flamethrower

Gliscor (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 188 Def / 72 Spe
Impish Nature
- Earthquake
- Roost
- X-Scissor
- Protect

Excadrill (M) @ Air Balloon
Ability: Mold Breaker
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Swords Dance
- Rapid Spin

What offensive cores would you recommend for someone who hasn't played since early XY?

>>28210714
Steel, fairy, dragon is pretty solid.

>>28210770
Which fairy mon would go well with a latios/dragonite and a bisharp/scizor?

>>28210801
Can't really go wrong with Mega Gardevoir, Sylveon is also an option if you don't want to waste your mega slot. Also, what meta?

Friendly reminder that if you play stall teams you should delete your account.

>>28211035
I prefer Singles, and OU because lots of mons I like tend to be usable there.

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>>28211035
>recommending either of those mons in CLEF: THE EXPERIENCE
stop

>>28211122
What if I play gen 1 Dragonite?

How do I use Mr. Mime for dubs? I'm not even certain about which ability of his to use.

>>28211973
Fake Out and Wide Guard are the utility options it should have.

Technician is probably more beneficial so you can do stuff like hit a hard HP Ground if you want, to deal with Primal Groudon.

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>>28210607
>Shiny: Yes

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ayyyyy fucking taunt blocked

ofc I sent my taunter to face edgyrai because this is exactly the first thing that happens

>>28213068
>elo

>>28213022
whats so bad about it if they're actually shiny

>>28213184
Not him but adding if they're shiny or not is pointless. Why would that information matter?

>>28213285
He probably just copy pasted his showdown sets, stupid.

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other than getting lucky when they lead with fort/ferro, what do?

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I'm trying to get into more competitive battling with the help of my friend. Its hard trying to make a good team out of your favorites but with their help i've managed to come up with this. Though I would appreciate second opinions

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>>28213513
>LO Sub Pain Split Gengar

>>28213156
lmfao

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>>28213551
What shall replace it master? I'm all ears.

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>gotten this far using a literal mono echoed voice and a metronome Scizor team

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I need a solid defensive set for this guy right here. I already got an Impish one with max EVs and I'm going to do the same with one that's Careful.

How do I use Gravity efficiently in dubs?

>>28214042
By using it to spam Hypnosis and Sleep Powder.

>>28213486
use a better pokemon

How do I use Meowstic

>>28216506
reflect, light scree, thunder waves, psyshock works fine for me in doubles

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The special defense is low AF, 6 weaknesses, poor speed, 521 base stats...

Is there anything I can do to use this thing? I can't see it.

>>28216595
Sash ddancer and pray for no priority of almost any kind

>>28216595
Use a banded or lo set to break physical walls.

The goal is to crack walls so another sweeper can sweep by luring in common generic walls like Lando-T or Hippowdon or Slowbro

Okay lads, let's look into the future.

I had an argument with a friend yesterday. He thinks Snorlax will be extremely dangerous thanks to its new Z move (based on the animation). According to me, unless Snorlax gets new stats, he will still be outclassed by the same threats than in the current metagame, regardless of the power level of Z moves. So Snorlax will stay where it is right now and will not be a bigger threat than before.

On a larger scale, how do you think Z moves will change the metagame ? They might be powerful moves, but they still rely on its user stats.

>>28210436
Heatran, Arcanine or anything with Flash Fire can work. Heatran also double resists bug which is otherwise a weakness of your team, and has can run an unconventional set to beat some of its checks
Dragonite fills out your team defensively and is very versatile, but you may also want to consider a fairy type

I'm having troubles with knowing where to put my EVs/IVs. Does this make sense: max hp, max def, calm mind substitute recover judgment boosting bulky sweeping Arceus?

>>28218677
Snorlax will still be very underwhelming, since Z moves can only be used once. If they had like 3 shots, they'd be pretty game-changing. But things like Protect, Sub, immunities, and resists will render Z moves generally non-impactful.

Exceptions would be if you put something like Grass Knot on Lando-T which means you can use Bloom Doom, and then Rotom-W, a common switch-in, is in a lot of trouble.

>>28208151
Good shit, antismogonfags need to see there are players like you

What is a good partner for Tyranitar? And, would a dragon dance set work as well as choice band/scarf?

>>28220860
DD is pretty meh in this meta since it's likely not going to get that far.

Plus the opportunity cost of running DD is too great.

Scarf and Band take advantage of it being a sturdy yet powerful Pursuit trapper, which is what's really kept it OU all this time.

Anyone interested in UU or LC?