Alola Rattata General

>>28200902
In your rush to post quality original content, you seem to have missed the million other threads on this topic already.

>>28200902
>Why is nobody talking about Alola Rattata?
Are you legit blind?

>>28200902
>dark/normal
2 immunities is nice, but dark already resists ghost and x4 fighting weakness is almost always a death sentence.

>>28200902
Blind & autistic

I can't see the site, for whatever reason. Link?

>>28200940
Weavile, Tyranitar and Bisharp would like to disagree

>>28200902
It's a Rattata it's going to be shit

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>>28200902
>Changed from only appearing at night
Post YFW you can find them in the day.

>>28200922
You can't blame him, all these dark threads must have made it too dark for him to see properly :~)

>>28200940
Just switch the fuck out on a fighting type you mouthbreather.

>>28201127
>Non-fighting types don't use fighting moves
Literally retarded. Normal brings absolutely fucking NOTHING to the table for Dark except bad things. Dark already fucking resisted Ghost. It's typing is shit.

>>28201127
>Gengar used Focus Blast!
It's shit m8

>>28200940
It's already a death sentence because it's a fucking rattata.

>>28201221

It can still lose Normal upon evolving.

>>28201286
Doubtful. They would have just taken it away now if that were the case.

>>28201237
>Rattata used Sucker Punch!
wow you sure convinced me with those hot opinions

>>28201221
>Normal brings absolutely fucking NOTHING to the table for Dark except bad things
A great STAB for great moves like Facade, Quick Attack, Body Slam, etc that give it enough coverage
Dark/Normal is actually a great typing offensively

>>28200902
Most blatant recolor yet

>>28200940
raticate wasn't going to live against any good fighting type anyway

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>>28201360
>Dark/Normal is actually a great typing offensively

>>28201237
>gengar and rattata being in the same tier
lol okay

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>>28201408
>No Ghosts get Fighting coverage besides Gengar

>>28201221
defensively yes, the random normal type does nothing but harm
but offensively it's an alright secondary STAB - return or double edge can smack fighting types (without mach punch/on the switchin), opposing dark types, fairy types

>>28201403
Normal/Dark/Fighting coverage:
0
No Effect
0
Not Very Effective
485
Normal Effectiveness
315
Super Effective

It's pretty great. No resistances or immunities.

>>28200902
It's a mustache-twirling evil Ratata twin

>>28201452
>Implying it will get any decent Fighting attacks for coverage

>>28201470
Raticate already gets Reversal. Give it a Sash and it's good to go.

Am interested tho.

Assuming Raticate's 81base attack , it goes to the equivalent of base 148-149 with Hustle. Might be the new VGC 2017 'Bisharp' so to speak.

Only problem is acc at 80%.

>>28201491
alola rattata evolves into normal raticate

>>28201452
The only fucking Fighting attacks Raticate gets that do real damage are fucking Rock Smash and Revenge you fucking pavement ape.

>>28201489
>Reversal
>Good

>>28201491

Raticate already gets Hustle as HA.

>>28201534
Literally a thing on mons like Dugtrio and Heracross.
Literally proven you know jackshit about competitive.

>>28201221
Immunity is always better than resistance. It's free real estate.

And Normal STAB is good.

>>28201569
only dugtrio uses reversal because
a) its frail as fuck
a2) near guaranteed to activate sash when hit
b) you switch it in on things before/as they get up rocks, such as heatran

who the hell uses reversal heracross outside of gen 3

>>28201550
Yeah, but with STAB Sucker Punch, it might actually have a place in a VGC format assuming no better users are in the '17 format.

A major problem would be intimidate, though.

>>28201617
>a) its frail as fuck
>a2) near guaranteed to activate sash when hit
>b) you switch it in on things before/as they get up rocks, such as heatran
i fail to understand how any of these represent an incompatibility. fear already used reversal

>>28201617
also forgot to add part of the reason why reversal dugtrio is good is because of arena trap

>>28201641
>i fail to understand how any of these represent an incompatibility
what? im saying reversal is only good on a select few mons

>fear already used reversal
no, it didnt. fear is level one ratatta with endeavor and quick attack and/or sucker punch, why would you run reversal on a level one pokemon

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>>28201602
>Normal STAB is good
>Ineffective against one type
>Resisted by two
>SE against FUCKING NONE

>>28201788
People don't use STAB because of SE. They use it because it consistently deals good damage.
Literally the reason Mega Lopunny is so good. That and Scrappy, obviously. But Alolan Raticate doesn't have to worry about that since it gets STAB Sucker Punch.

>>28201641
>fear already used reversal
Literally proving that everyone advocating for this is retarded.

>>28201569
Dugtrio gets Arena Trap you moron, and nobody uses Reversal Heracross anymore.

just a redesigned shitmon

>>28201838
Welp, I guess let's hope it gets a Fighting type move then.

>>28201085
>almost

>>28201327
pokemon is a game for kids they could still do it they didnt make the game for old ass punks like you who care about competitive bullshit

>>28201237
Raticate used Sucker Punch
GG get gud m8

>>28201920
Holy shit this post is sad. How old are you?

>>28201952
>Raticate used Sucker Punch!
>But it failed!
>Gengar used Substitute!
what now fuccboi?

>>28201237
>ferrothorn is shit cuz flamethrower

you're going to have to come up with a better argument than "it's weak to something to it's bad."

>>28202419
Ferrothorn has 9 resistances, 1 immunity, absolutely batshit mixed bulk, and an incredible movepool.

You honestly fucking think a normal/dark retrain of a regional rat is anywhere near that level? Shut the fuck up.

>>28200940
>caring about defensive type combo when the pokemon is clearly offensive and benefits from normal/dark

elo hell leave

i wish fucking meowth and persian got normal/dark typing to play around technician

>>28202713
>the pokemon is clearly offensive
>Implying a fucking raticate retrain will do anything relevant in battle outside PVE
Off to PU it goes.

>>28202767
Yes...and?
Even the Smogon fanfic tier meta is considered competitive by its playerbase and doesn't change the fact this Pokemon has an offensive typing and therefor the all "muh defensive type" argument is bullshit.

>>28202937
>the all "muh defensive type" argument is bullshit
I agree, but the thing is going to be shit regardless. That's all I'm saying man.

>>28201221
You clearly don't play competitive pokemon so why the fuck are you talking out of your ass about it? Do you really need attention that bad?

>>28201085
Do you not understand what almost means?

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>>28203142
>Implies someone else doesn't play competitive Pokemon
>Thinks Raticate will magically be good in competitive because it's dark type now

>>28201403
youre the guy who post replay of himself defeating a 1100 right?

>>28201523
Who the hell confirmed that?

>>28203339
>Implying Normal is good STAB
That's why Pyroar is so awesome, right?
>T-THAT'S BECAUSE PYROAR IS SHIT! NOT NORMAL STAB!
And you think Raticate won't continue to be worse than shit because...?