Competitive general /cg/

Substitute or Encore on Mega-Alakazam as the fourth move ?

>>28193023
I hate battle spots singles. It's usually some ching chong with a rocky helmet cresellia or some random balk toxic staller that always has me wondering why it has this move pool. Taunt/Knock Off help a lot but I feel like this format is a waste of time to learn.

Gourgeist Super with Leftovers and Insomnia
Foul Play
Synthesis
Toxic/WoW
Not sure on the fourth move leech seed for more heals, Skill Swap for shenanigans or a damaging move for coverage?

Do Kingler or Whiscash have any feasible role in OU or monotype? Even if it's just a meme build?

Showderp shuckle

>>28193137
Sadly Whiscash is really only a DD'er, I pray for the day he gets a mega with Simple

>>28193137
I remember a set for kingler with sash and agility or something like that

>>28193127

Leech Seed

>>28193100
I feel like substitute is safer, a bad predicted enccore and it's out

>>28193137
>>28193162

I've messed around with Agility Sheer Force Life Orb Kingler a couple of times. Its hitting power is easily underestimated, but it doesnt last long.

Its not an ideal choice but not total dead weight either. I'd be hard pressed not to use Crawdaunt instead in a vacuum.

>>28193100

Both are good. Encore helps deal with set up. Sub helps deal with Sucker Punch and Toxic/Para/Will-O. Up to you really.

>>28193196
Does kingler learn something that crawdaunt not? movepool is the only reason i see for chosing it over crawdaunt

For support in dubs

Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Taunt
- Confuse Ray
- Recover
- Snarl

Thoughts?

>>28193230

I think Rock Slide?

>>28193244
Still don't see what rock slide can do over dd+waterfall

What do you think of the classic Tyranitar/Gengar/Magnezone offensive core, specially in battlespot.

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The 2 Teams I alternate in to at Battle Spot Doubles, most of them has the typical moves and items, Excadrill is Sand Rush Focus Sash, Belly Drum Azu, Weakness Aegis, HP Ice on rotom and Thundurus, AV Lando, Scarf Ttar

>>28193232

Recover isn't great in Doubles and Confuse Ray is pretty bad. Maybe use Will O Wisp instead. Quash can be nice to help a partner out speed. Gravity can be useful as well.

>>28193230
Not really. I haven't run numbers or anything though, but I'm pretty sure Crawdaunt is always going to win the damage game thanks to Adaptability.

>>28193270

I agree. Crawdaunt is better. Adaptability + Swords Dance/Dragon Dance + Aqua Jet and Knock Off just destroys.

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Give me a good Metagross set for singles. I love the guy but for the life of me have never been able to make him work, he always fails to get kills and then dies in short order.

>>28193288
Forgot to ask, thoughts on this?
or no one is playing battle spot here

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Any advice on how to fix this team?


>Does captcha
>A picture of yokai-watch plushies
kek

Diglett @ Focus Sash
Ability: Arena Trap
Level: 5
EVs: 36 HP / 236 Atk / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Sucker Punch
- Stealth Rock

Fletchling
Ability: Gale Wings
Level: 5
EVs: 76 HP / 196 Atk / 92 Def / 100 Spe
- Acrobatics
- Swords Dance
- Roost
- U-turn

Chinchou @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Volt Absorb
Level: 5
EVs: 52 Atk / 232 SpA / 224 Spe
Calm Nature
IVs: 1 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 SpD
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Thunderbolt

Pawniard @ Life Orb
Ability: Defiant
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 36 Def / 36 SpD / 196 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Taunt
- Low Sweep
- Knock Off
- Iron Head

Dwebble @ Berry Juice
Ability: Sturdy
Level: 5
EVs: 236 Atk / 236 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Spikes
- Knock Off
- Rock Blast
- Stealth Rock

Larvesta @ Eviolite
Ability: Flame Body
Level: 5
EVs: 76 HP / 236 Def / 156 SpD / 36 Spe
Impish Nature
- U-turn
- Morning Sun
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp

With a sand offensive core of tyranitar, excadrill and bisharp how the hack can i deal with skarmory? Is it worth making a special Ttar for giving him thunder bolt or it isn't going to the shit due to the sand boosted defenses of steel birb?

>>28193315
I assume you're talking about regular Metagross and not the Mega.
Assault Vest is nice on it. Adamant nature.
Zen Headbutt, Meteor Mash, Earthquake, Bullet Punch. Ice Punch can be a nice option as well.

>>28193365
heck*

Is there any way to make stantler viable in ou? The fucker is ugly but i love using low tier mons, i just don't know how to make it work

>>28193365

Steels don't get a Defense boost. You can try Fire Blast on TTar.

>>28193315
WP+Rock Polish

>>28193406
If its defense it's not affected i prefer thunderbolt, it has sturdy so i wasn't gonna ohko it anyway and i avoid failing plus i can deal some damage to water types

>>28193405

Not really, its pretty bad. Maybe you can try a Choice Band to hit things somewhat hard. It gets some strong moves like Double Edge, Jump Kick, Megahorn, Earthquake I think?

>>28193315

You can also use a bulkier set with Stealth Rocks and Explosion.

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>>28193371
>>28193408

I've tried these before and I think I just overestimated Meta's killing power. I always keep it in on something I think it can take and it dies.

>>28193468
Thats an option I guess, there's always use for a suicide lead.

>>28193324
Why HP ice and not water?

>>28193980
Not the guy you're replying to but why would you ever run HP Water?

>>28193710
It's pretty bulky man, what are you doing? Sending it on into Darmanitan's Flare Blitzes or something?

>>28195675
He's probably scared of missing Hydro Pump.

Any original sets for a Defogger Flygon? I may use one in a Sunny Day team

>>28196008
It's Rotom-Heat you dumb fuck

>>28196279
Don't be rude.
Anyways, HP Water works on Rotom-Heat too if you want to hit stuff like Camerupt and Golem a little harder.

>>28196105
Flygon @ Heat Rock
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Sunny Day
- Fire Blast
- Solar Beam
- Defog

Ghost Type Team help?
Dark Type Team help?
Recommendations for both?
Or basically how to make a good team in general.

>>28196349
>Golem and Camerupt
>In Battle Spot Doubles
Can you just stop?

>>28196105
Is this for RU? I don't really know what can abuse Sun there.

>>28196373
Try to cover up your weaknesses!
For example, Ghost is weak to Ghost and Dark so you could use a Sableye, which isn't weak to either and can deal with both pretty decently.

>>28196425
Anon, you need to stop lashing out at people who are trying to help you.

>>28196464
I'm lashing out at you because you're a dumb underage fuck trying to give shitty advice on stuff you obviously know nothing about.

Tangrowth (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 244 HP / 216 Def / 48 SpD
Relaxed Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 Def
- Sleep Powder
- Giga Drain
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Sludge Bomb

thinking of running knock off instead of hp ice but which would be safer to use?

>>28196608
It depends on the rest of your team.
I'd say that Knock Off is better in general but if the ice coverage supports your team better you should go with that.

>>28196523
4/10. This is my last reply to you.

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>>28196658
>>28196464
>>28196349
>>28196008

>>28193232
in dubs you want only enough defense to take an attack you need to, when I used sableye in vgc a couple years ago i built it to survive a burned mega-mawiles play rough, then the rest into special bulk.

For items leftovers is shit, get a mental herb, sitrus or sash.

viable moves are: fakeout, WoW, encore, night shade, foul play and to a lesser extent taunt snarl and confuse

>>28196658
get off my fucking thread, tripfaggot. there's plenty of alomomola sets on the smogdex, you dont need to ask for them here.

I've literally never done an online battle and I want to start.
I got some pentaperfect mons I made to play through my OR during vacations, haxorus, alakazam, gengar and magnezone. EVs are proper, I think.
Could I use those? I def wanna use Alakazam and Haxorus, they're my bros. What else am I missing?

>>28193343
Asking again?

>>28197933
gengar is a pretty good trapper and m-alakazam could be good with a moveset like: psychic, substitute, shadow ball, and grass knot/focus blast

>>28193127
assuming it's PU leech seed

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Improve my dubs team
Most sets are fairly standard, Hydreigon has LO and Protect over Specs and Gardevoir is a modest one with just enough speed to outspeed Bisharp, a full 252 in Sp. Att, and the rest in defense and HP.

Even though Thunder Wave is my only method of speed control, I've been fairly successful with this team so far.

So um, anyone here who can give me tips for a balanced ghost team? I dont know how to build any good teams so explanation for your choices would be great

>>28198444
When i was new at teambuilding i followed te same scheme for every team - 2 attackers 2 special attackers 1 defender 1 special defender

Being a monotype use as much variety of your movepool as you can and have something against your weaknesses

>>28198151
What about energy ball or dazzling gleam on my zam?

Also, what else would I need? Is a stealth rock setter as important as the memes imply?

>>28198698
Most people like to run Focus Blast and Shadow Ball for coverage.

But you seem to be quite invested in these "memes", so try your hardest not to listen to me.

>>28198444
Monoghost doesn't have many options. Most ghosts are either frail, or slow, and there aren't really any good physical attackers. Basically you want to try to abuse your access to will-o and try and cover up your knock-off and sucker punch weakness (colbur berry can sometimes be pretty good).

Mega-sableye is basically mandatory. Gengar and chandelure are go-to special attackers. Jellicent, trevenant, cofagrigus and dusclops are good walls. And Doublade and Golurk are probably the best physical attackers.

Start with those and experiment. It'll be hard but you can definitely have some fun with it.

>>28198863
Shadow ball goes without saying.

I was serious stealth rock, I see it mentioned alot, is it really such a necessity?
Also, what are some good, retard proof defensive mons?

>>28198950
Don't listen to the retard, look at this previous posts and you'll realize his advice is worthless.

Is Battle Maison considered competitive?

I need help at super singles. I keep losing when I get to the 40 something and the veterans start to appear.
Last night in battle 46 a female Veteran sent out Articuno first. My lead is M-Salamence, so I switched.
>mfw Articuno used Sheer Cold and it hit
Chansey never had a chance. Salamence got a hit but died, then Chesnaught was able to take Articuno and Regirock down, but unfortunately the last pokémon was Suicune...

Should I just get a lead Kangaskhan?

>>28198950
yes, setting up stealth rocks and para/sleep/poisoning your opponent is good too. i mainly use smeargle and klefki as leads to set up. really good pokemon honestly, just if you use smeargle make sure to run it with a focus sash because it has really bad bulk.

>>28199457
My lead that got me to 151 wins was LO Greninja with Surf, Ice Beam, Grass Knot, HP Fire. The Maison doesn't know how to deal with Greninja.

I had Toxistall phys. def Gliscor and AV Scizor in the back to have both reliable switch-ins and sizable offense that doesn't make every game take a long time to slog through.

I lost at 152 to a misplay, since I Grass Knotted a Specs Clawitzer that OHKO'd with Aura Sphere (I didn't know Clawitzer was lightweight enough to take the hit), when my play should have been Gliscor since the Maison doesn't predict (Aura Sphere was used because Greninja is Dark). After I lost Greninja and beat Clawitzer, a DD Gyarados was able to beat me.

>>28199493
Is it feasible to acquire a Smeargle with all the meta moves without cheating though?

>>28199573
Hmm isn't Greninja fragile as fuck? Salamence has some bulk but despite that Rock Slide users still get to it.

>>28193137
What about Hydration/Rest on a rain team?
Wiscash seems pretty bulky, and as Anon says, Dragon Dance + Earthquake make for good times.

>>28199606
oh, definitely. it's not that hard either, just make sure to breed a smeargle with a jolly/timid nature and get something like spore, stealth rock, spikes, and toxic spikes if you're going for set up lead

>>28199626
Greninja is fragile yeah, but it's the most efficient sweeper since for most of your games, Greninja can solo teams, and usually OHKOs mons.

>>28193111
This, also being forced to use only 3 pokemon sucks

>>28199626
yeah greninja is really fragile but i use him a lot in wifi battles, (not the guy you replied to btw). if you wanna know my set its: Greninja @ Life Orb

Gunk Shot
HP Fire
Ice beam
Dark Pulse

you dont need a water move on greninja if you have another pokemon that can cover that, but i'd run hydro pump over hp if you want to run water on ninja frog, also greninja is one of the best mixed sweepers in the game right now so i'd use it on alot of teams

>>28199671
>>28199732
Well I might give Greninja a shot then. I'll keep Chansey and Chesnaught though, they have been very good.

>>28199865
mind giving me your chansey set? i've actually never used it before

>>28199917
Chansey @ Eviolite
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 Def / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Seismic Toss
- Flamethrower
- Soft-Boiled
- Toxic

It's great in the Maison, I imagine it's harder to use in actual competitive because Knock Off is actually used there.

Here's a replay in which Chansey saved my ass:
HRMG-WWWW-WW4P-MWVY

>>28199962
thank you

What do people think of this team:

Darmanitan - Glass cannon nuke
M-Blastoise - Spinner and has good coverage
Tyranitrar - Lasts longer than darmanitan
Heatran - Talonflame check + coverage
Clefable - speed control+ fairy coverage
Umbreon - Wish passer

Heatran is probably the least useful member considering Ttar can check talonflame as well, clefable is the MVP because this team is pretty slow and t-wave helps with that.

The no priority plz set:
>Sturdy + Shell Smash + Stat Raising Berry
>Focus Sash + Shell Smash
>Pray that they don't have priority
>Sweep?
I really like doing this with crustle + leichi berry

>>28200020
Looks like it has trouble with Water types, but nice otherwise.

Make the Tyranitar Scarf so you can Pursuit trap and check big threats like Mega Pinsir.

You might be a bit weak to Lando-T actually too. So I'd look into a sturdy Grass type if I were you.

What are the biggest threats in the meta atm?

>>28200104
Which meta are you talking?

>>28200104
Greninja, starmie, gengar, M-ttar

>>28200076
Interesting, I'll probably try out tangrowth in place of heatran based on this advice. The Ttar is scarfed and I have had trouble with bulky water types like vaporeon.

>>28200177
>>28200020
Seems a bit weak to Mega Venusaur teams honestly.

>>28200213
This. What about Latios in over Heatran or Tangrowth?

>>28198918
This anon has the right idea.

I'd also reccomend lead froslass. It can usually taunt or outright kill other leads and take out a second poke with destiny bond. Worked amazingly on my mono-ghost

>>28200291
what specific role can latios fulfill, I hadn't considered it because of it's weaknesses but the only weakness it shares with the team is the bug weakness with Ttar.

>>28200507
Stronk Meteors and the fact it resists a decent number of weaknesses your team has

Latias is a more defensive option with shit like Tailwind if you want that.

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>>28200588
That's great, I'll try out latias because of the higher defense and tailwind, which can really help remedy my team's poor speed.

>>28200658
How do i do it?

>>28200744
The join rooms button is seen by scrolling through all the other rooms and then clicking join room and so you can enter a name

>>28200762
"The room "thepeopleschamp" does not exist."

>>28198211
Bumpin

>>28200798
They must have blocked entry for now, welp try again later.
I can't seem to remember any mod name there so try contacting someone like Ridaz perhaps?
Maybe he could help.

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Could use advive on my UU team, any advice is appreciated.

Chandelure @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Shadow Ball
- Energy Ball
- Trick

Galvantula @ Life Orb
Ability: Compound Eyes
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Sticky Web
- Thunder
- Bug Buzz
- Energy Ball

Heracross @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Close Combat
- Megahorn
- Knock Off
- Stone Edge

Quagsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Relaxed Nature
- Scald
- Recover
- Earthquake
- Toxic

Reuniclus @ Leftovers
Ability: Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
Bold Nature
- Calm Mind
- Psychic
- Focus Blast
- Recover

Sableye @ Leftovers
Ability: Prankster
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Recover
- Will-O-Wisp
- Taunt
- Knock Off

>>28200853
Try apt-get

I'm trying to optimize Landorus and Excadrill.
OPTIMIZING, not just maximum output.

Landorus-T w/choice scarf.
Speed x1.5(choice scarf). level 50. ADAMANT
EV spread(All iv is 31)
>HP 84 > 175
>ATK 252 > 216
>DEF 4 > 111
>SPA 0
>SPD 20 > 103
>SPE 148 > 130
Total 508
>175 HP for optimum 1/16 (leech seed, wrap, burn) damages.
>130 Speed for outspeeding Jolly Weavile(125basespeed) with 252ev speed.

Excadrill in sandstorm.
Speed x2.0(Sandrush). Level 50. ADAMANT
EV spread(All iv is 31)
>HP 176 > 207
>ATK 252 > 205
>DEF 4 > 81
>SPA 0
>SPD 4 > 86
>SPE 76 > 118
Total 508
>207 HP for optimum 1/16 damages.
>118 Speed for outspeeding Landorus(Jolly Choice Scarf with 252ev spe).

Replies for other specific calcs, like 2hko-1hkos damage output or scarfed mon speed tier I should note about, are appreciated.
Might try to optimize them more for 2hko-ing MegaMetagross and MegaSalamence later.
Mind the battlespot meta.

>>28200857
Why the triple leftovers?
Quagsire with the Berry might better
Life Orb for Reuniclus
Galvantula with Focus Sash then maybe, idk.

What's the meta like in UU anyway?

>>28201250
>What's the meta like in UU anyway?
Not nearly as terrible as cookie-cutter ou, not nearly as fun as nu/ru

>>28193111
The concept of battle spot is so fucking dumb.

>develop a franchise with over 700 monsters, half of when are fully evolved
>design a game where you can only use 6 of them
>tell people if they want to battle each other, they have to further cut that 6 in half

fuck you too, gamefreak

>>28201563
I'm >>28200857 , may I ask what you enjoy about RU and NU? Pokemon is too RNG for me which is why I don't have any interest in OU, what makes RU and NU more fun then UU for you.

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>>28200857
>no mega beedrill

>>28201250
Ech, there's no item clause in smogon.
inb4, multiple leftover stall team are fucking dumb.

>>28201718
I actually only own Y, sorry.

anyone else going to arizona regionals? I wanna go but I can't get a card for a room in time and like. I'm just a regular dude I'm not weird I just wanna play mons I'll give you money for helping me if I can room with you

>>28201942
?
Isn't worlds already over?

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>>28196685

>>28201988
arizona regs dude pretty much as soon as worlds ends another run of regs begins

How do I use Volcarona in dubs?

>>28202040
Do they still go by 2016 rules? Seems like a waste to start another round with SM coming out.

>>28202069
Wide Guard support and redirection is pretty good.

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Does anybody want to battle I'm pretty new but have a lot of Mons I've worked on I want to try out so 6v6 are preferred or doubles my fc is 2552-5239-0191

I know there's a wifi general that's kinda like this

Greatest Dark team? Including a mega, duel types included as well.

Which mega is best mega? Houndoom? Stableye? Tyranitar? Absol?

I'm curious, what would you guys use for an OU legal genwun team? Trying to use as many iconic genwun mons as possible while still making a solid and usable team.

Was thinking something like:
>Mega Pidgeot
>Life Orb Gengar
>Bulky Clefable w/ rocks
>No Guard Machamp
>Bulky Slowbro
>DD Dragonite

Mega Pidgeot may not be the absolute best mega for the team, but I literally can't think of a more iconic pokemon for genwun. Literally everyone had Pidgeot on their team at the end I swear.

Lead with Mega Aggron. Stealth Rocks, Double Team, Dragon Tail, Heavy Slam.

so how do people feel about z moves in vgc with how much protect there is do you think itll be worth using an item slot on a z move?

>>28203953
A good predic can give a free ohko, also i feel like gf is gonna force us to use them with some stupid clauses or idk

>>28204129
I imagine z moves will either take priority or won't be effected by protect or its clones.

>>28204340
>>28204129
has it been confirmed if theyre multi hitting?

>>28204416
I don't believe so, nothing on how they behave is really known.