Why does the order matter?

>>28166801
The primary type gets a 1.5x STAB and the secondary only 1.25x.

>>28166847
That's not fucking true.

>>28166801

When Onix evolves into Steelix, it becomes Steel/Ground.

>>28166801
One is a rock who stays grounded.
The other is a ground that rocks.

>>28166871
Wouldn't mind if it was though. Could be interesting if primary types began to actually matter.

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>>28166801
Onix is more rock than ground. Rhydon is more ground than rock.

Because they can be ordered. Plus it describes the pokemon.

>>28166847
Source?

the real question is why were there 3 ground/rock families in one generation? the only other rock-types were two rock/water fossils and a rock/flying fossil. Why not make onix pure rock to differentiate it from brock's geodude?

>>28167117
Did you know that more than half of poison pokes were introduced in gen one

>>28167117
Geodude makes way more sense as a pure rock type than Onix though. Onix actually does tunnel through the ground.

>>28167037
You're a damn noob.

>>28167117
well geodude and onix cause Brock is supposed to be a pushover

As for rhyhorn, there's no real reason I can think of.
Maybe ground was a last minute type added to gen 1 like ice

You know for all the types that get questioned how come nobody ever questions why we have a ground and a rock type? Ive sort of been able to determine a difference between the two but it'd make a lot more sense if they were just one type.

>>28167234
>the ground is made of rocks
???

>>28166801
Yes, the order matter, not much in battle when it comes to weakness, resists and stab. But something may act different according the primary type.

>>28167234

Because they behave differently. Rock is intentionally a more archaic type, tied to fossils and having low accuracy moves.

There are many pure Ground types, and almost no pure Rock types.

It's a theme.

Order currently has zero importance for pokemon. It might in future games.

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>>28167234
You can throw rocks at birds to hurt them. You can't do the same with sand. Distinction justified.

>>28166801
Onix is a rock-based animal that digs tunnels.

Rhydon is a land mammal that's plated with stone.

So basically it doesn't fucking matter.

>>28167271

>Gen 7

>Primary type determines actual immunity while secondary type only gives resistances

>You can now actually use Thunderbolt on Onix
>Secondary-Normals only have 1.5 resistance to Ghosts
>Water/Ground types fucked because they no longer resistant to Electric, Grond resistance cancelled by Water weakness

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>>28166847

>>28166801
Onix is literally made of rocks (Mineral egg group).

Rhydon just has a rocklike hide.

>>28167420

Such a good album

>>28167336
sand is literally just small rocks

>>28166847
There should be little rules like this.

Like, first type has 1.5 STAB and secondary has 1.3 STAB. or the same with ressistances.

Maybe secondary types shouldn't give you immunities, but just ressistances/weaknesses.

I don't know, it would be fun to shake things, instead of "ITS THE SAME"

>>28167256
Sand is pretty established as having to do with ground and it is more or less made of rocks. Not to mention that while no, the ground isn't "made" of rocks, rocks form in the ground and they're generally similar materials.

>>28167336

You can blind a bird with sand, thus causing it to crash into a building and explode, melting the steel beams.

>>28167440
Throw sand at birds and see how many you hit faggot

>>28167117
The same reason there were 3 Grass/Poison families in gen 1, and they were usually the go to families, while Tangela is just oddly placed.

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>>28166801

>>28166801
I wish type order was important. Would make primary type get a stronger stab. Secondary type weaker stab.

I like the idea of hidden types, that don't grant weaknesses, but would offer an even smaller stab than the second type. no clue what it would due to balance though. .

>>28167465
>sand is made of rocks
You're an idiot.

>tfw used to think Rock was immune to electric because of the common dual type with Ground
>mfw when a thundershock worked on Sudowoodo

>>28167502
"The most common constituent of sand, in inland continental settings and non-tropical coastal settings, is silica (silicon dioxide, or SiO2), usually in the form of quartz, which, because of its chemical inertness and considerable hardness, is the most common mineral resistant to weathering."
If you had a big quartz crystal as a Pokemon it'd be rock type. It's the same faggot.

The big question is why the hell Grass/Ground is so rare

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>Edgy ghost
or
>Ghostly edgelord

>>28167387
Humm... no.

Again, the order doesn't affect weakness, resistances and immunity or even STAB, and its fine the way it is.

But, we could have abilities and moves that act different according the user primary type.

Or even, there is a rumor cat that chances its secondary type to match its father primary when get by breed. In its case the order does matter.

>single types get a 1.75 STAB
>dual types get a 1.5 STAB for primary and 1.25 for secondary

How does the meta change?

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>>28167680
>Sableye
>Edgy
Pick one

>>28167871
everyone starts using faires. oh wait.

>>28167871

offensive Greninja buff

>>28167871
buff xerneas for next vgc

>>28166801
Because the Rock type gym used Onix and the Ground type gym used Rhydon

>>28167234

It makes as much sense as having a water and ice type separately.

>>28167871
I'd love that. It'd make the game a lot more interesting, although it'd require a bit more thought.

>>28167671
Because grass is super effective against ground

>>28167458
memorizing the orders of types would be a real pain in the ass. There's already so much information involved in every move

>>28167458
>>28167981
This would be a good way to nerf birdspam since only Tornadus would have a full power STAB

unfortunately, any nerf to attack power is a direct buff to stall and i will not stand for it

>>28167440
Then why is Sand-Attack ground-type? Why is Pallosand Ground-type? Why is Hippowdon ground-type?

checkmate, athiest

>>28168061
I mean the original point I was making is them being different types didn't make much sense. Not that I'm majorly bent out of shape about it.

>>28166801
A Pokémon's first (or only) type is representative of its body and anatomy. Normal type are land animals, Water are animals that dwell in the water, Ground are animals that dwell underground, Bug are arthropods, Rock are rock creatures, Fire are creatures with flames as part of their anatomy, Flying are creatures with wings (not birds, which are classed as Normal type) etc.

A second type is something that's a major aspect of them, but not their *core* anatomy. That's why we can have stuff like Normal/Fire and have it still make sense. It's an important distinction.

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>>28167472
Every time...

The primary type more describes the pokemon.

For example: If volcanion was water/fire instead of fire/water, it'd probably be more fish-like

>>28167895
where is this from?

Aren't rock types generally creatures made out of minerals while ground types are animals with power over the minerals?

>>28168415
I believe it's that one movie where Mewtwo was a friend to everything and was also a woman back in Unova.

Can't bother to remember the name

>>28169326
Oh yeah and a bunch of Genesect blew shit up

>>28167680
sableye isn't edgy its cute

>>28168185
>That's why we can have stuff like Normal/Fire and have it still make sense.
Pyroar and Heliolisk are actually secondary Normal.

>>28166847
>Not even trying
9YOU0

>>28166801

Only the primary type matters for Super Effective/Not Very Effective calc in Gen 1.

This is why Geodude and Onix can be hit by Electric-type attacks in Gen 1(RBGY) but Rhyhorn/Rhydon cannot.

I'm surprised by how many people do not realize this.

>>28167680
Dark does not mean super obscure mysterious creature, you know?

There's Fire-type and Water-type, and yet we get Rock/Ground-type and Flying-type instead of Earth-type and Air-type from Day 1. GF cannot into logic, anon.

>>28169571
I thought they couldn't? Was this fixed for Yellow, or am I gonna have to kick 3 year old me's ass for training Pikachu to get Quick Attack instead of Nidoran or Mankey?

>>28166878
tfw 0 replies

>>28169571
It's visual only in gen 1 dumpass. Everything has the regular type effectiveness but the text is displayed wrong with dual types.

Geodude and Onix can't be hit with electric type attacks.

>>28166801
Honestly I wish It did matter.

>>28167117

>3 rock-ground families
>4 normal-flying families
>3 grass-poison families
>3 water-ice families

4 pure fires, 4 pure electrics. blah blah. My coutns my off, but w.e. Gen 1 is stale as fuck when it comes to type diversity. So many same combos or lack of dual typing over and over. If gen 1 truly were to get remade they'd ideally fix that cause it was utterly bland.

>>28169468
I was more giving a general idea, but I should have been specific. Pokemon like Bibarel and Diggersby for example

>>28166963
It is more that Onix is a rock that grounds. Rhydon it is just ground that rocks.

>>28166801

It usually determines which type gets the axe if there's a change. Example: Rotom is Electric/Ghost. The appliances cause Ghost to be lost.

I think Steelix, Alolan Marowak, Altaria, and Fletchinder are the only cases where it's the primary type that changes.

>>28166801
How fucked would shit be if single types got a 1.75x boost for STAB?

If a pokemon uses a ground move like earthquake on a rocky road like a mountain, doesn't it make the move rock type?

How come there are water and ice types, but no steam type? Game Freak got something against gases?

>>28169876
Also Azurill

>>28169876
Steelix probably kept Ground over Rock to prevent a 4x Fighting-type weakness at a time when Steel was meant to be the new best defensive type.

Swablu turns from a cute little cloud bird into a coatl (small, feathered dragon with a long and flowing tail) or something similar.

It's still a cloud bird and it still flies so it loses Normal in favor of keeping Flying while becoming a Dragon.

Fletchinder is too boring for me to care.

Marowak is my favorite because it seems to take inspiration from voodoo as well as fire-dancing, on top of its roots in the original games as the first "ghost" the player ever encounters.

>>28166801
I know people are gonna ridicule me with "a cloud that dragons", but I actually prefer the second order; I like it when types that are typically secondary are primary. And I am genuinely sad that we will never get a Flying/Normal type

>>28167256
>the water is made of fish
???

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>>28167490
>Bisharp is dark that steels
KKEEKEKEKE

>>28170216
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA XD

>>28166801
how many more gens until we get dual-type moves

>>28170723
0

>>28167336
Then why does Bonemerang not hit Flying-types?

>>28166801
Onix is a Rock type that lives underground
Rhydon is a Ground type with rocky armor

The primary type is what the Pokémon IS, the secondary is what the Pokémon can do/utilize/has additionally/where it lives/all those other kinds of extra details.

>>28170723
-1

>>28166878
I remember that thread ! "A cloud that dragons".

>>28170870
Because Gamefreak are a bunch of good-for-nothing shitfaces, that's why.

>>28170723
>he doesn't into dual type moves

>>28170870
I feel like they're should be a clause in there that it can hit flying types

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>>28166801
Onix is a rock that is grounded while Rhydon is some ground that rocks

>>28167431
Source?

>>28166921
I'd like to see this, as well.

>>28170895
;_;

Soooo anyone got any ideas for why Noivern is Flying/Dragon?

>>28167158
Fucked up if true

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>>28166847
I actually like this idea but then shit like Pidgeot is Normal/Flying so its STAB Hurricane would get fucking nerfed so nope.

>>28167234
There was this thing called Bionicle with the same problem, it had a "stone" and an "earth" element, and nobody knew what the difference was.

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>>28168039
>buffing the genies
>nerfing the birdsbros

>>28172263
It isn't a true dragon, it's a bat with draconic traits

>>28172344
So I guess its like how Sableye isnt a true ghost then because its Dark/Ghost and not Ghost/Dark like Spiritomb

>>28172263
It's a bat that dragons sometimes.

>>28172364
Or like Pidgeot isn't a real bird but just a guy in a costume.

There is actually now a real function for this:

Primary types are usually not affected by "change of types" moves / abilities, secondary gets replaced temporarily.

So it does matter.

>>28166801
in most cases? doesn't mean shit nor contribute to anything

but there is one situation, anything that causes type to change mid-fight

>>28172364
Not sure if youre joking, but yes, Sableye isnt a ghost at all. It's a real, living, regular animal. But it's thirst for jewels means it adapted to be able to move through solid ground at will to find them without going through the effort of digging.

>>28172364
>Sableye isnt a true ghost then because its Dark/Ghost

Gengar isn't a true ghost but it's ghost/poison

>>28166801
Onix is made out of rock, but has a horn that draws in electricity and makes it immune to it. Also it burrows.

Rhydon actually lives perpetually underground, and is almost a part of the ground as it bathes in lava or something, iirc, so it has some rocky armor/texture to its body but its not really fully rock

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This is a cloud that dragons.

>>28172487
>trick or treat/forest curse adds the type
>soak replaces all types
>transform copies enemy
What other type change moves matter

>>28172925
Most Ghost Pokémon aren't really ghosts, just Ghostly creatures.

>>28167256
The moon is clouds

>>28172263
One of the leaks said that they were introducing a cat that was Normal, and it's secondary type was decided by the father's primary type when you bred it. If true, that's the only reason why. We don't have a pokemon that's primarily Flying besides Tornadus.

>>28172269
True. 33 vs 26 not counting megas and arceus

>>28172263
Cuz it's a wyvern?
Noise+wyvern
It's a wyvern that makes noise

>>28172946
>Gengar isn't a true ghost
pls explain to a noob

>>28173238
Some ghost pokemon are only considered ghosts because they're ghostlike, Gastly and its evos fall into this category. They're gaseous and behave like ghosts but they're not any sort of spirit whereas other ghost pokemon are, like yamask.

>>28167680
Given what Dark-type originally represents, it's more like
>Asshole ghost
or
>Ghostly asshole
>>28172263
The main thing it is is a bat, an animal known mainly for flying, but it also has elements of a wyvern.
So it's a flying that dragons.

>>28168061
Why is sandstorm rock type?

>>28172979
All that build up for such a shit ending.

>>28173764
Don't give up, you're so very close to getting the joke, Anon! :)

>>28166878
underrated

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>>28166873
no shit noob

>>28173908
What there was a joke in that gif? I was just saying I was enjoying it but then the blue duck just stays in that shitty pose and looped.

>>28166801
The first type is usually more prominent
like Jellicent's Water/Ghost typing because it's more obvious as a jellyfish, a water-dwelling creature, aquatic. While it's ghost-typing is a bit obscure, being based on it's minor ability to absorb life-force and being based on yokai.
Or Starmie being more obvious as a starfish, an aquatic creature instead of a psi/mystical being.

>>28166801

early gen 1 mechanics were going to have secondary typing cause different values for weaknesses and resistances. The 2nd type would have added and reduced less

Like you're a grass type, and you're weak to ice. The 2nd type flying adds to this weakness, but only to a X3. Grass is weak to bug, and the 2nd type flying is not. It would reduce the effectiveness to 1.5X dmg. Similar the rock weakness of flying would only add 1.5X effectiveness not a full on X2. The fighting dmg would have been 3/4 dmg and not 1/2.

It got too confusing and very few types were getting advantages from the various degrees of dmg so the concept was dropped.

>>28167420
Shit vaporwave trash

Better question:

Why are rock and ground even separate types? They share so many strengths and weaknesses and are extremely similar in theme.

>>28169718
Gen 1 is responsible for so much confusion. I thought rock was immune to electricity for the longest time.

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>>28177221
>Similiar in theme
>Rock is weak to ground

>>28166878
G O O D P O S T
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>>28172399

Kek

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>>28166847
That's how it should work.
But really, the order doesn't matter one bit. It's stupid.

>>28167256
>snow is basically cold white sand

>>28169611
There's still a lot of Pokemon that fit air as an element and yet, flying type. Ah well. Altaria makes just as much if not more sense as flying/dragon as Noivern does. Still, I've grown to accept these things as things that make Pokemon unique.

>>28169968
I always saw ice type as both frozen water and "coldness". Kind of like fire encompasses heat. So I'd like to think ice types don't NECESSARILY have to be frozen water. Some might be dry ice and what not.

>>28172263
I've always though of sound as a subset of air, as far as elements go, and flying is the closest we have to an air element. Plus it's a bat so it should be secondary dragon. The only other thing that encompasses sound is normal and its decidedly pretty abnormal.

>>28172364
Sableye is more than likely based on the Hopkinsville Goblins so yeah it's not quite a ghost. I think had it been released later it might have been a dark/fairy.