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Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

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Welcome to the Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread. Talk about new episodes, old episodes, upcoming episodes, anime Pokégirls, sub releases, discuss, speculate, bitch and moan, etc., etc.

>NOT-SHIT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/#PocketMonstersXYSubbed

>Citronic Gear On's music rips:
http://pastebin.com/C2gkFb0g

>Newfag Airing/viewing order guide:
http://pastebin.com/anb9qe55

>****New trailer for upcoming events (Flare Arc)****
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDLz9sHvm5A

>Movie 19: Volcanion and the Ingenious Magearna [Jul 16th]
http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/
Excerpt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqMWw5xiwW8

>LET'S GO SEE GEKKOUGA IN THE THEATER! SPECIAL GEKKOUGA VIDEO:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj-34tfTiqo

Next episode:
>XY&Z40: The Shocking Zygarde VS Zygarde! The Breaking World!! [Sep 1st]
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/pokemon_xyz/trailer/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mb1pdNpZyio

Upcoming episodes:
>XY&Z41: Attack on Lumiose Gym! The Citroid Forever!! [Sep 8th]
>XY&Z42&43 1 Hour Special [Sep 15th]

Shit people will ask:
>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.

>What's the point of watching it anymore?
To enjoy the ride.

>Will Serena win da Ash?
Never give up until the very end.

>Muh subs when?
[PM] is subbing XY&Z. Their releases can happen any time of the week.

Old thread:
>>28148703
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POKÉMON MOVIE SPECIAL SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_Movie_19_Premiere_Commemoration_Special[H264_720P][212D0552].mkv.torrent

XY&Z37 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_037_The_Finals!_Satoshi_VS_Alan!![H264_720P][429D17E9].mkv.torrent

XY&Z15 POKÉTV SEGMENT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_015_A_Brigarron_from_the_Wilderness!_The_Tree-planting_Robon!!_PokeTV_segment[H264_720P][46EE6A1F].mkv.torrent

XY&Z38 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=841536

XY&Z39 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=843882

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z40: THE SHOCKING ZYGARDE VS ZYGARDE! THE BREAKING WORLD!! (SEPTEMBER 1ST)
>Satoshi and the others have been captured by the Flare Gang. It appears Fleur-de-lis has a strong interest in Satoshi and Satoshi Gekkouga, but...? Meanwhile, Alan watches the panicked Miare City completely at a loss on what to do...

>Summary:
>Citron sets off to take back the Miare Gym, Serena sets off to rescue Manon's Hari-san, and Eureka sets off to follow Squishy. Squishy, on the other hand, has turned into its 50% Forme in order to stop the rampaging red Zygarde. But then the evil clutches of the Flare Gang sneak up on Squishy!

>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Mayuki Makiguchi: Serena
>Yuki Kaji: Citron
>Mariya Ise: Eureka
>Megumi Sato: Dedenne
>Megumi Hayashibara: Musashi
>Shinichiro Miki: Kojiro
>Inuko Inuyama: Nyarth
>Kensho Ono: Alan
>Mikako Komatsu: Manon
>Hiroshi Tsuchida: Platane
>Hideaki Tezuka: Fleur-de-lis
>Tsuguo Mogami: Xerosicy
>Fumiko Orikasa: Carne
>Anri Katsu: Tierno
>Minami Fujii: Trova
>Yurie Kobori: Sana
>Yuji Ueda: Gekkouga
>Kensuke Sato: Lizardon
>Kenta Miyake: Onvern
>Kiyotaka Furushima: Fiarrow
>Chinatsu Akasaki: Horubee
>Hitomi Nabatame: Harimaron
>Karin Nanami: Correa
>Rinko Natsuhi: Akebi
>Akane Fujita: Bara
>Sayuri Hara: Momiji
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration
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XYZ was a mistake.
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UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 48 (Sep 4th)

XY&Z41: Attack on Lumiose Gym! The Citroid Forever!! (Sep 8th)
>As the damages caused by the Team Flare incident increase, Serena heads to the Lysandre Labs together with Manon to rescue Hari-san. And when they get there, a powerful aide appears. Meanwhile, Clemont heads to the Prism Tower with the Citroid, aiming to retake the Lumiose Gym. Having somehow managed to sneak into the place, he challenges Xerosic to a fight, staking their pride as scientists.

XY&Z -MOVIE VER.- (SATOSHI)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6d63pkrvpvcqry3/XY%26Z_MOVIE_VER_%28Both_Sizes%29.zip

THE PIKACHU SONG (PIKACHU)
http://www.megafileupload.com/7hw9/The_Pikachu_Song.m4a

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA SOUNDTRACK
http://www.filedrop
per.com/movie19soundtrack

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA MANGA
CHAPTER 1: http://imgur.com/a/PAdz8
CHAPTER 2: http://imgur.com/a/cGC71
CHAPTER 3: http://imgur.com/a/l6bs1
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Did serena fuck off yet?
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I want to believe that the backlash from Kalos league gave the show staff a wake-up call and they're now revising some of their plans for Alola and gen 8.

It's possible, right?
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>>28159290
soon
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The Pearl Harbor of Anime.
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>>28159208
>Amour posters
>Relationship charts stating Serena loves Ash
>TV Host point out Serena's feelings for Ash
>Singer singing a song from Serena's PoV about her feelings for Ash
>All of the teasing in the show

After this they might as well not do a romance subplot with Ash ever again. Keep it to the temporary characters like Chicken/Lillie/Mallow and some male rival of theirs.
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For now we are working on the sun & moon series.
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>>28159349
You know he'll be redeeming himself soon, anon.
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>>28159339
>Ash wins Alola
>Doesn't matter beause it's just Orange League 2.0
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>>28159339
It is. THREE of the show's animators have publicly mentioned that they're not so sure making him lose was the best idea. That's pretty unprecedented for any show.
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>>28159339
No because you'll eat it up regardless as long Ash and Pikachu are there.
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Why is she so cute?
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SELENECHAN CRASHING INTO A NEW THREAD. SEPT 15TH CANT BE HERE ANY SOONER!
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>>28159391
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

THE SHOW BELONGS TO ALAIN NOW, ASH IS DED3
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>>28159406
She's not
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>>28159391
Is he going to kill himself?
Anyways, Alan is a shit character who doesn't deserve Ash.
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>>28159418
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>>28159407
What's so important about the 15th? Will we get some kind of preview or something?
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>>28159379
Yeah that's why I want Serena in Alola
Our boy deserves her girl
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>>28159419
Tell that to Ash after edgelord saves his ass
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>>28159394
got those specific tweets/posts?
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HEY PAISANOS! READY FOR THE SUPER ALAN SUPER SHOW?

DO THE MEGACHARIZARD!
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>>28159447
final episode of XY, most likely
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>>28159260
Changing Serena, making Ash lose the league and having Bonnie as extra character in the main group was a mistake.
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>>28159479
4-man groups are a mistake anyways.
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>>28159479
>not liking Eureka
>not liking Serena however long her hair is

Shit taste.
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>>28159465
No, but I'm sure others do. Two of them were Ohashi and Iwane, I forgot who the third was.
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>>28159499
Be happy and hyped
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>>28159507
He has an IQ of 77. Be gentle.
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>>28159455
But she's not . Ash can't be in a relationship.b All he can ever be is BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON FOOD BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON BATTLE POKEMON
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I want Serena to stay with Ash...
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>>28159437
No worries Serena. I think you're cute because you're in love.
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>>28159447
It's a shitposter forcing a meme.
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>>28159379
>TV Host point out Serena's feelings for Ash
I dont remember this at all. Then again half the shit in pokemon is forgettable
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>>28159572
T-thanks
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>>28159507
>Being OK with a girl taking screentime from the main waifu girl.
>>28159505
Maybe this is why DP and OS were better as well, those seasons just had 3 characters. It became a bit shitty when Todd joined the group in OS.
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>>28159568
She'll probably be getting banged in Kalos by Clemont or Tierno while Ash is still losing league laughing about how he'll get stronger the next time.
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>>28159447
Possible sm anime trailer !
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>>28159406
Because this is one of the few outfits she can pull off with short hair.
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Was it so hard just letting Ash win for once? What the fuck is wrong with those Japs?
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>>28159407
At least you know her name. And why does it feel like they switched some letters in "Serena" so it spells "Selene"?
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>>28159687
It's a placeholder name for a demo.
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>>28159631
It had some guy ranking the Top 3 character who would make the "Best Wives". Jessie got number 1 because she's a romantic, Misty got 2 because of the Togepi stuff, and Serena got 3 because of her devotion and feelings for Ash.
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>>28159639
Your dreams will never be real Tierno
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>>28159685
I love how this dress accentuated Serena's hour glass figure.
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>>28159680
muh status quo
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>>28159685
furisode Serena best Serena
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>>28159734
She did devour Ash's dick in it, too bad it was such a short doujin..
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>On the official Pokémon movie website for Japan, there is a quiz where one question asks what the dialogue from Serena was at the end of Summer of Discovery! and one of the options is Serena saying, "My dream is, to become Satoshi’s bride… AH! I am embarrassed!"
It's funny because that's a better dream than her current one
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>>28159685
She has bare legs here so that's a plus.
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>>28159781
That option was really just a joke, just like Amour is really. Mostly just spaghetti from Serena for laughs.
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>>28159685
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I wish I could back to the threads pre-episode 38.
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What does padt think of One Piece? It was also cucked by its dub but somehow the madmen of today actually salvaged it
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>>28159871
not in latinoamerica, still forgotten.
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>>28159861
Why, so you can have folks people circle jerking about Ash winning the league and shooting people that disagreed down? At least now people have seemed to realize their delusion about the league. Amour has fallen in the same way as well.
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>>28159871
Shut up about the dub, you dense sperg.
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>>28159871
Couldn't stand the main character so dropped it after that Michael Jackson guy episode.
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>>28159861
They were actually a lot worse.
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I don't know why but lately in the pixiv search tag for Serena there's nothing else than lewd pictures, i guess that's how Japaneses like to forget about the league fiasco.
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>>28159871
That's because One Piece is actually good and deserved to be saved, unlike Pocketto "literally just an ad for the games" Monsutas
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>>28159902
Are wear near the end of the cute era?
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>>28159871
Why did 4kids literally poison everything they touched?
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>>28159871
>watching dubs
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>>28159924
I do wonder if serena will get to talk to her mother at the end of XY or she'll just go with yashio
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>>28159888
>Why, so you can have folks people circle jerking about Ash winning the league
Yes, people being hyped and happy about something is better and more fun to read than people emofagging.
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We all know the answer
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>>28159871
I was fine with the dub, at least with voices. I didn't really care/know about the censorship since I didn't know about it at the time.
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>>28159987
A lot of the emofagging is just the usual shitposters having jumped onto something new anyway.
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>>28159987
Well they were 100% right.
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>>28159948
4Kids did fine with Pokemon: it's TPCi who ruined the dub.

One Piece is the opposite, though.
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>There are people who think they see depth and character development in a 22 minute commercial
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>>28159924
The end of the cute era can't end if Serena is around.
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>>28160026
Eh, 4Kids One Piece and TPCi Pokemon are both awfully voice acted, desu.
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It didn't have to end this way.
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>>28160060
I don't think they do but that's because I'm fine with just about anything.
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>>28160044
>there are people that spend their time shitposting in threads about shows they neither like nor watch
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>>28159969
See >>28159999
Grace will btfo Yashio HARD, or maybe she'll just tell Serena to take it easy and go with our boy Satoshi
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>>28160044
If it's just a commercial why not just have Ash win all the leagues instead of losing them all? Why not give him a girl friend? It'll still be a commercial even with those things.
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>>28160085
>Still using this defense
Seriously guy?
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>>28160076
Technically it isn't done yet. There is a lot more suffering to go through.
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>>28160081
>Tolerating Cathcart James and Moo Sanji

No, Anon, not worth it.
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>>28160044
>There are people who keep posting the same thing over and over in different threads.
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>>28160102
I didn't say its a good commercial
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>>28160099
>or maybe she'll just tell Serena to take it easy and go with our boy Satoshi
We can only hope
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>>28160143
Yeah, like images of Serena's face trying to make cute statements when they're really a 27 year old dude

Her departure is going to be so tasty
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>>28160102
Because it's based off a life someone is currently living you numbskulls
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>>28160137
>Cathcart James and Moo Sanji
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>>28160085

MNPD: Traits

It is important to know that individuals with MNPD rarely acknowledge that there's anything wrong with them. In their minds, they are 'too good' to have any sort of mental health issues. An unwillingness to seek treatment can make the disorder very difficult to diagnose. However, should someone with this illness end up either on the psychiatrist's couch or in a psychiatric hospital, the following symptoms should be present before the patient can be properly diagnosed:

1. The person is emotionless and self-centered, or only thinks of himself or herself.

2. The person is cruel and ruthless, often torturing others emotionally, mentally, and physically.

3. The person views other people as objects and doesn't care about them at all.

4. The person takes excessive risks.

5. The person has a huge ego and a grandiose sense of entitlement.

6. The person blames others and never takes responsibility for his or her behaviors and shortcomings.

7. The person has an abnormal sex life, in which he or she often plays the role of a sadist.

In short, this person can be described as a psychopath, or someone who willingly hurts and abuses others and has no regard for human life. A person who has MNPD is someone whom you truly want to avoid.
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>>28160202
Aka TPCi James and 4Kids Sanji
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>>28159948
Their Pokemon dub is 1000 times better than the garbage TPCi is pushing out.
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>>28159231
This kid, this kid is really cute.
How "deep" is his character? I know, Pokemon anime, probably not at all, but like... would I need to watch the anime to know it? I wanna write fapfics of him with some of the older female trainers, so I need to know if he has any like, super important parts to his character that wouldn't be gleaned from a wiki article.
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>>28160174
Just think, all that Amour stuff in the collage with just be dropped completely, probably with a lazy goodbye
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>>28160204
>Everyone who critiques the pokemon anime hates it and is a psychopath

i keked to death
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>>28160239
It's Shota. He's a pretty good trainer, focuses on technique and strategy and his role model is ya boy Ash.
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>>28160258
That's not what they're stating and that's not what you did

Try again
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>>28160258
>It is important to know that individuals with MNPD rarely acknowledge that there's anything wrong with them. In their minds, they are 'too good' to have any sort of mental health issues.
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>>28160239
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>>28160239
Can I have the link to said fanfic?
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What's the ideal teams for next season?
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>>28159702
>Jessie number 1 waifu
fuck yes good taste
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>>28160239
Any links?
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>>28160099
>yfw Yashio tells Serena she must confess to Ash before she can start her training
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>>28160290
Did I say I didn't like it? They're all stating that I'm just coming to something I hate.

The pokemon anime is legitimately an advertisement, and it functions well as one and I enjoy watching it because it's got great visuals and a passable story. People who flock here for some deep lot bait directors into trolling hard with fake arcs

>>28160299
(you)
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>>28159702
>>28160353
>Jessie
>Good wife at all

Good lord
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>>28159393
Maybe, just maybe, and I'll admit I have nothing to back this up, but what if after Alola, say, completing the trials, Ash returns to Kanto, finds out the Indigo League is starting up the "new season", collects the badges in some nostalgia episodes, and competes in the Indigo League again and wins it?

Alternatively, doesn't necessarily have to be Kanto. Could be another old region.

Because I'll be honest, I just see what they can do with Alola right now as limited, since no Gyms and League means a much different endpoint that could potentially mean a lot less in the anime.
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>>28160268
Interesting. So he's a smart kid but not too snobbish? Nice.

>>28160315
Does he do a lot of pointing?

>>28160322
When I finish it, of course! Haven't started yet, just been thinking about it since I saw a pic of him and now decided to ask.
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>>28160342
Who cares?
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>>28160364
>Serena
>confessing
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>>28160342
Ash
>Litten
>Pikipek
>Turtonator
>Rockruff
>Mudsdale
>Togedemaru

Lillie
>Bewear
>Morelull
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>>28160390
>Ash trying for the Kanto league again
Please don't. That would be fucking great so there is no way they're doing it, ever. ;_;
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>>28160426
>forgetting Pikachu
shiggy
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>>28160248
Most likely yes.
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>>28159702
>Jessie
>Number one.
Pick one, she is too crazy and unstable to be good wife material.
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>>28160426
Excuse me?
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>>28160436
Four years
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>>28160459
>Ideal team.
Replace Togedemaru if Pikachu must be part of his team.
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>>28160459
Because Pikachu is going to stay in Serena team so that way Ash could carry one extra pokemon.
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>>28160399
Shota is a super rookie trainer who really wants to be great, but not in an arrogant way like young Ash. He likes his role models, particularly Ash and Steven, and keeps a notebook where he eagerly writes down any kind of pointers he can get from them. He's kind of low key, which is compounded by the fact that he looks like he's high all the time.

Also if you want to write him with older trainers Valerie is a good bet, because one of our inside jokes is that she made him her sex slave after she buttfucked him in a battle on stage.
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I'm calling it now, Ash is going to leave Greninja at that ninja village before he goes back to Pallet Town.

Somebody screencap this too.
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>>28160521
Pikarena best Serena
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>>28160424
Looks like she'll hang out with Ash forever then!
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>>28160237
And that's the truth. It's pretty laughable TPCi's dub has managed to be so horrific that it makes 4Kids dub look good. The fact TPCi's dub was directed by a rapist for most of its run is also sickening.
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>>28160239
Nice taste. Shota a qt.
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>>28160557
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>>28159231
XY was good but that smug green haired fuck can go screw himself sideways. Why does anyone that isn't a girl or ass ketchup have to be maximum gonk in this series.
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>>28160389
Ew, that's when Cathcart started his head cold James take, and that's not even what James said in the Japanese Version.

That said the TAJ dub is better than the current DuArt dub, at least.
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>>28160546
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>>28160567
4kid's main problem was the pointless censoring and butchering of the source material. They had much better writers and VAs.
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>>28160540
>which is compounded by the fact that he looks like he's high all the time
Hey man thanks for reminding me
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>>28160362
If you mean to my current fics? I don't want to advertise. I do have an HF with some fics, not many, only two I think.Given it's going to be /ss/ though I'm probably going to pastebin it and link it to y'all.

>>28160540
He sounds like a cool dude, I like him. Glad I decided upon him.
Yeah Valerie was going to be my first choice, without even knowing about that. Amusing.

>>28160577
Thanks breh. He really is.

>>28160479
>vomits at both this chart and its "criteria"
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>>28160597
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>>28160599
Agreed, and the fact TPCi isn't any better about censoring lately by calling apples berries and paint editing badge cases/editing out kanji like 4Kids did isn't helping anything.

It's also ridiculous even 4Kids kept more of the Japanese music than TPCi has for last 3 years now, even at their worst, no less. You'd think the damn Pokemon Company could afford their own damn music, but no, they want to shove elevator music and UFO stuff in instead.
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>>28160202
Cathcart voiced Sanji in the 4kids dub? I did not know that...
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>>28160657
Do you know any other fapfics out there?
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>>28159948
4kids did a better job at the Pokemon dub than what TPCi is doing to with it. Also, the One Piece 4kids dub was bad because of 'Murican censorship.
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>>28160671
>calling apples berries and paint editing badge cases/editing out kanji

Eh, I wouldn't call that censoring, really.

Not like the Yugioh dub where they completely made up the concept of the "Shadow Realm" to avoid talking about death and edited out all the guns.
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>>28160692
No, it's just that both Cathcart's James and Moo's Sanji both sound like they have head colds and are very nasally.
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>>28159231
I wanna adopt this shota
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>>28160695
Unfortunately I don't, at least, none Pokemon related. Sorry man.
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How the fuck are you cucks watching this show after Misty left.
I genuinely feel sorry for kids of today.
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>>28160735
That is censoring, though, it's not as bad censorship but it still is censoring.

What's funny is 4Kids kept the guns in Pokemon like with the hunter during the episode where TR released Arbok and Weezing but took it out in Yu-Gi-Oh and finger gun'd it. I seriously think there were different people working on their dubs.
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>>28160759
The worst offense is the dub cast being replaced 3 seasons later with literally whos, Anon.
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>>28160759
>lwrg.
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>>28160599
That was network's fault for the censoring, not entirely 4kids'. Also, the censorship laws are a lot different in America than what it is in Japan.
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>>28160759
>Calling other's cucks while defending Misty, who is cucking your childhood as we speak
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>>28160468
Doubtful, they didn't have May confess to Drew or have Kenny tell Dawn he was in love with her.
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>>28160759
I don't know man
To be honest the only thing that I want is NEW TITLES
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>>28160735
They only did that because the network thinks death and guns are too scary and dangerous for young kids watching cartoons at Saturday mornings. Also there are literally parents complaining to TV networks about that shit too.
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>>28160839
>2016
>being a Kasumifag
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>>28160839
>tfw you ship this
Feels good man
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>>28160865
Thats what we are saying. she is just going to get a lazy goodbye instead of confessing
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TITLES WHEN
SUMMARIES WHEN
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>>28160823
Well, Kids WB did force 4Kids to paint edit Ash's badge case in a few eps in Hoenn and replace crosshairs when it turns out 4Kids didn't do any of those edits when the same episodes aired Internationally, so that's true, actually.
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>>28160893
Meant to reply to >>28160759
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>>28160879
Why are you so desperate for new titles?
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>>28160893
She't the only one who actually acted likea girl instead of some retarded stereotype with pink and flowers.
It was the classic formula of a boy and a girl who bickered
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STILL NO NEW TITLES?
MASAKA
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>>28160951
>Tomboy
>Only one who acted like a girl

Wat
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>>28160951
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>>28160958
>XYZ48: Goodbye Serena! Serena doesn't confess!!
>XYZ49: A shocking KEEPU! Serena and Clemont to the future!!
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>>28161019
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>>28161000
I'm not interested with shipping. Unlike the other girls, misty had more to her than shipping
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>>28161019
>Clemont (or anyone but Ash)
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>>28161043
No she didn't.
No one who likes Misty cared about her as a character(Because there was none after Togepi came in) and only like her because they ship her with Ash.
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>>28161043
>Unlike the other girls, misty had more to her than shipping

Now I know you're delusional, Haruka and Hikari had almost 0 shipping with Satoshi. It's only been Serena who canonically has a crush on him.
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>>28161043
Misty did literally nothing after she got Togepi
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>>28161093
>filename
XY Ash is not the old Ash
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>>28160736
Oh never mind. And I've never heard of Moo before.
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>>28160479
>has an unnatural eye color and/or hair color
>Dawn has blue hair
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>>28161076
>>28161084
>>28161094
Are you fucking me? Are you fucking me in the ass right now?
I hate o do this but look at any rant from anyone who dropped the series, they definitely cared about goddamn Misty.

May and Dawn weren't as shippy but they were incredibly "girly"

Togepi added to misty's character
Are you people serious? That isn't a rhetorical insult, I actually want to know. Wow
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>>28161154
>Togepi added to misty's character
How so?
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Be it Serena or a new female companion, three more years of contests, Tripokalons, beauty competitions, would fucking suck. Pls mix it up a little.
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>>28161154
>Togepi added to misty's character
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>>28161154
Misty is a whore, Togepi is a shitty annoying character, all she ever did was hold him and comment on whatever Ash was doing. Misty's character was basically be a bitch complaining about everything, mainly muh bike, then being a literal nobody carrying a baby.

Only delusional nostalgia fags care about her. Such as you, of course.
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>>28160932
When a animated show from Japan is going to air in American on a Saturday morning kids' block, of course it's going to be censored a lot based on what's in it that violates the TV censorship's laws and policies.

I don't know why they changed Ash's badge case when it was just a Poke Ball design on it, though. Maybe they was a copyright issue because the Poke Ball design looked similar to someone else's. Also, certain copyright problems is another reason why they censor/edit anime.
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>>28161154
>Togepi added to misty's character

You could have just said you were trolling in the first place
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>>28161000
I thought she was cucking Ash for Tracey so why should she care?
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>>28161195
Nobody cares, there's nothing left, the show is dead. It's pointless.
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>>28161154
>Being girly is a bad thing
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>>28161242
You shouldn't care, Ash will end up with the best girl.
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>>28161094
She became the new Cerulean City Gym Leader after Johto, so there is that.
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PUT THE NEW TITLES IN THE BAG AND NOBODY GETS HURT
RIGHT NOW
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>>28161195
Nah fampai, Ash will do the main thing like in the games, while the female does whatever is left (if there is anything unless remakes come by later).
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>>28161274
So what step of denial is this?
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>>28161279
They needed to send her off somewhere.
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>>28161242
Its only cucking if said person is actually interested. IE, its not cucking if Ash has no interest in Misty.
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>>28161282
>XY&Z40: IT'S SHIT.
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>>28161274
Yes
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>>28161282
Could you not post this shit 24/7
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>>28161299
Bargaining.
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>>28161305
I meant the new metaphoric meme word cucking, not what it literally is and means.
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>>28161320
N E W
T I T L E S
W H E N
?
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>>28161279
Yeah, when she got written off the show.

The fact is, Togepi really screwed Misty's character up, she was designated a background character who barely took part in the action and whose main role was worrying about that shitty egg.

You can really see it in Johto where they even dropped her crush on Ash, she had pretty much nothing to do.
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>>28161331
Guess the next step will be coming in September then. Oh boy.
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>>28161197
(you)
>>28161205
All of this is pretty subjective, a character like Ash works with a straight man who's always on his case, with no straightman Ash has to be less flawed to compensate and therefor less interesting
>>28161222
>I don't agree so you're trolling
Are you serious? The sight of Misty and her togepi is a series icon by this point.
>>28161250
I can agree to disagree on this, but two characters simultaneously exhibiting girlishness in the same season with no balance is worse than 1 character who acts like a girl without being a stereotype.
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>>28161195
>three more years of contests, Tripokalons, beauty competitions
I want this so bad, i want a entire series focusing in tripokalons.
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>>28161320
Got a problem with it, champ?
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>>28161274
I was talking about Misty if you weren't clear on what I said. And I agree, Serena is best girl and I hope that she comes to Alola with him and not that Rooster chick.
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>>28161360
Yeah we'll be going back down the steps and you're going to be getting on them once Serena comes along to Alola.

>>28161381
Yeah I can't read to save my life.
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cute
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>>28161368
>I can agree to disagree on this, but two characters simultaneously exhibiting girlishness in the same season with no balance is worse than 1 character who acts like a girl without being a stereotype.
God forbid girls actually act like girls. Can't have too much femininity!
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>>28161379
Why is she neve going to confess to Ash? What are the writers so afraid of?
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>>28161411
More cuteness.
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>>28161341
>Yeah, when she got written off the show.
They showed her being the new gym leader in Pokemon Chronicles, bro. And of course she appeared a couple of times in Advanced Generations.

And I kinda agree with what you said about Togepi, I always thought it was annoying that she had to carry that thing all the time. Same goes with Dawn's Piplup when they decided show that stupid thing in every episode.

And Togepi kinda made Misty not get anymore character development on the show either. But at least it evolved in Togetic and is not with her anymore and she's now a gym leader just like in the games.
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>>28160759
>genwunners
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>>28161398
>Yeah I can't read to save my life
Lol sorry, I just wanted to make sure you didn't thought I was referring to Serena, that's all.
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>>28161489
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>>28161485
Because then she would most likely have to be in the next series which is made to promote the games and Serena isn't in S/M
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Reminder that Serena is not purely "cute" Candy Girl
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>>28160789
This. What the fuck were they thinking?
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>>28161555
Brock wasn't in RS or DP but they kept him around longer than Misty.

Its not out of the question that Ash has one current companion follow him and get a new 3rd one. Its happened more often than replacing both companions.
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>>28161219
True. At least 4Kids put effort into their Pokemon dub, though, which is a lot more than can be said of TPCi, especially nowadays.
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If there's no chance of Serena coming along to Alola, will she at least get her dance with Satoshi?
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>>28161555
They shouldn't have pushed her crush so hard if they we're going to do anything with it.
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>>28161605
They didn't have a choice. They were contractually forbidden from using the old VAs, or something like that. They didn't replace the whole main cast just because they could.
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>>28161282
XY&Z 44: Rematch! Alan vs Satoshi!
XY&Z 45: I need a stronger trainer! Greninja's decision!
XY&Z 46: Synchronicity! The Legend of Alain-Greninja begins!
XY&Z 47: Goodbye my friends! Serena and Satoshi's last date!
XY&Z 48:Sex makes babies?! Satoshi stays in Kalos!
XY&Z 49: Aloha Alola! Run away from responsibilities!
S&M 01: Build a wall! The mysteious aryan princess!
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>>28161635
*Weren't*
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>>28161379
>I want this so bad, i want a entire series focusing in tripokalons
I can't believe people with this much shit taste exist in the world.
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>>28161633
I still don't really see a reason as to why these two couldn't dance. Too romantic???
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>>28161485
>Why is she neve going to confess to Ash?
Because Serena no longer leads in the Ashbowl.
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>>28161660
>XY&Z 48:Sex makes babies?! Satoshi stays in Kalos!
>XY&Z 49: Aloha Alola! Run away from responsibilities!
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>>28161605
TPCi basically decided they needed to cut costs in producing the dub and basically flipped off Veronica Taylor (original dub Ash) and co by telling them, to their faces, they weren't needed anymore and fans wouldn't care if they recast the dub.

Then, TPCi gave the dub to TAJ Productions, hired Sarah Natochenny (current Ash) and then 2 years later that company kicked the bucket, so now we have DuArt who is even worse than both 4Kids and TAJ at this point as well as having an even smaller budget these days.

The Pokemon dub is literally a disaster nowadays, and even CN knows it's shit now, hence shoving it into a 6 AM time slot and not advertising it at all.
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>>28161633
Yes
She will dance with Satoshi in Alola
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>>28161652
No they weren't. There was nothing like that in the contract. They had full control over who to cast and not to cast. They went with no-names because they were cheaper and the anime was at its weakest point budget-wise around that time.
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>>28161652
Wrong: that's what Cathcart spread, if that were true he and Kayzie Rogers wouldn't have been able to jump ship. The fact is Veronica Taylor etc. weren't given the chance to work on the current dub, and they've confirmed it numerous times over the years. Only JCC and KR got the chance to jump ship, Anon.
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>>28161635
Yea I really dont get that part, because they made sure to shove it in our faces that she has a crush on him the entire xy series.
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>>28161652
Apparently, it was because of contract issues. But we will never truly know the real reason. They could've just done it because they wanted to. I just missed the old voices. ;_;
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>>28161660
Good, but you missed some episodes buddy
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Wouldn't they have saved more money scrapping the dub completely and have it air online?
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>>28161773
Marry and reproduce!
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>>28161769
Veronica Taylor is in California now, doing work in the LA region, so she wouldn't be kept at this point anyway.

Then again, I think a Pokemon dub using the LA talent would be pretty great, actually.
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>>28161734
I'd argue the budget has shrunk below that level at this point considering the dub staff count is lower than even when TAJ took over with DuArt's XY dub, but otherwise, yes, you're correct.
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>>28161796
>Pokemon cancels dub
>News sites say "Pokemon Series Canceled in the West"
>Normies share "Pokemon is finally over"
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>>28161769
Again, wrong, TPCi made that up and Cathcart/Rogers (Bill) spread that lie around on Serebii. Taylor, Stuart, Lillis, and Blaustein all denied that and still do to this day, explaining the option to break contract wasn't given to them in the first place. Cathcart is the only one with Kayzie Rogers who got the option and broke contract.
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>>28161832
Who bloody cares?
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>>28161828
Post the Amour collage so we can add RIP to it.
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>>28161721
I honestly wished that TPCi never even took control of the dub in the first place and let 4kids continue dubbing it.

And also, I heard that it's now airing at 6 AM, which is fucked up. I'm not sure if CN can actually cancel it because I'm also not sure if no other network wants to pick it up, it just seems that they only put it on that time slot because they don't fucking care about it anymore.
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I'm really mad at all the potential wasted by the writers. Why did they bring out things they will never dare to resolve?
It's beyond shitty writing. Sound almost like malicious behavior on their part. Scumbags, that's what the pokeani staff are.
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>>28161869
no
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>>28161849
Pokemon fans with genwunner friends
Basically everyone else
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>>28161721
>The Pokemon dub is literally a disaster nowadays, and even CN knows it's shit now, hence shoving it into a 6 AM time slot and not advertising it at all.
TV is dying these days anyway, and CN has the problem of being a network aimed at children, when the current generation of children would rather watch everything on tablets or their computer, and thus are even worse off than other networks.
Also, terrible management decisions, but thats a different issue not related to the waning interest in cable TV.
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>>28161692
>I still don't really see a reason as to why these two couldn't dance
Because Serena wanted the dance with Ash so bad but she contain her own desires for Eevee's sake so she can be paired with Bunnelby and feel confortable in the dance party, and then because of that sacrifice, Eevee received enough love from Serena and finally evolves.
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>>28161869
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>>28161847
So you're saying it wasn't because of contract issues? Then that's actually good.
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>>28161812
Chances are, however, Taylor wouldn't have moved to LA if the cast switch didn't happen and would still be Ash now.

That said, Viz did a dub for Pokemon with Origins and that was better than anything else TPCi has shat out in the last 10 years, so at this point giving the Anime dub license to them wouldn't be a bad idea at all.
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The sperging about the dub is getting tiresome.
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>>28161898
Shit on them. I'd ditch their asses.
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If they ruin amour, this should be the thread song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ0emX5RgZQ
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>>28161812
There is still a chance they could actually bring her back. Don't give up hope, anon.
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>>28161922
...if I could even associate with them to begin with. Fuck them.
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>>28161915
Blame the lack of new fucking titles
At least we'll get a new summary and episode preview tomorrow
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Not bad, kanto boy.
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>>28161874
>I honestly wished that TPCi never even took control of the dub in the first place and let 4kids continue dubbing it.
Even if they kept it, it would have gotten bought off by Saban when 4kids went out of business. 4K is around as the remnants bought off by Konami soley to produce the YGO dub.

Then again, maybe if they didn't lose Pokemon then 4kids might not have died.
I might hate 4kids overall, but there work on Pokemon wasn't completely terrible, and if I can make one praise, its that they made incredibly catchy OPs. The current Pokemon dub has only had one two that I liked.
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>>28161910
Yeah, it was just TPCi being cheap fucks and jewing for cash: that's also why they replace almost 90% of the Japanese music since XY began, too.

>>28161874
Same, I doubt the dub would be as awful as it is now if things were different.
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>>28161912
So, it was Viz that dubbed Origins? I didn't know that at all. I guess that explains why Johnny Young Bosch voiced Brock in it. TPCi should've let Viz dubbed the main anime too.
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>>28162007
I don't know if it was Viz, but it was an LA region dub.

And I'll be honest, I love Jamieson Price as Giovani
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>>28161970
Japan loves Ash being a vulnerable position...
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>>28161970
>>28162044
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>>28162007
Yup, that's right: I'm not sure why TPCi are such cheap fucks otherwise, but they are.
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>>28161900
Makes sense, but if they aren't going to do anything with Amour just stop teasing.
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>>28161977
>Then again, maybe if they didn't lose Pokemon then 4kids might not have died.
This is most likley true, because the Pokemon anime was giving them a lot money before TPCi fucked things up.

And you're right about 4kids making some pretty great opening theme songs. The only TPCi opening theme songs that I like were Battle Frontier and the Sinnoh League Victors one. The rest were utter shit. And XYZ's dub opening song sounds like some generic rock-and-roll song.
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>>28162038
I prefer Eric Stuart as Brock and Ted Lewis as Giovanni, but still, Price and JYB are way better than Rogers and Blair, I'd take it over what we have now.
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>Oh, Oh, Let's envision
>Oh, Oh, Ultimate love
>When you and I hold hands
>Hey, it's a miracle, right?
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>>28162133
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-yIiu69850
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>>28161941
We won't be getting new titles until after Team Flare ends probably, or maybe title names for the 1 hour special.

Anything after Team Flare we won't be getting until the arc is over.
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>>28162133
Serena's moans all throughout this scene were so lewd.
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>>28161981
100% Agreed

>>28161631
Yes, despite the censorship, the 4kids dub was really good voice acting-wise. And the dub music was a lot better than the music they're currently using. The sudden drop of voice acting quality between the episodes Pasta La Vista and Fear Factor Phony is truly unforgivable.
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Alright you fucking smartass spergy armchair director

you are now in charge of recasting the current main dub cast

What are your choices?
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>>28161628
Maybe because the female characters are more popular in the anime, so that's why they replace them with a new girl every region after Misty.
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I don't know what it is you think you are accomplishing by parroting your nonsense to us. Go to someone that can do something about it.
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>>28162174
Gilbert Gottfried as everyone
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>>28162150
Why did she make this face at first?
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>>28161928
If it weren't for the Japs, you wouldn't be jerking off to Serena and Pokemon in general.
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>>28162209
Which one? You have several autists sperging about their obsessions throughout the thread.
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>>28162069
It seems to have gone down after Unova, or something during.

At least during Sinnoh and Unova, they occasionally got some great guest VAs like J Michael Tatum.
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>>28162125
Yeah wouldn't mind Price voicing Giovanni in the main anime and JYB voicing Brock from Battle Frontier to DP either.

Also, Ted Lewis still voices Giovanni in the anime, you know.
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>>28162255
Doesn't matter. All of them.
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>>28161928
I'm fond of this tune:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQaP82Wv2E
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>if only Ash had won the league, XY and XY&Z would've been regarded as the perfect Pokémon anime
>it would even make more sense for him to win because of how the following Team Flare arc developed
>instead it's just a 3 year long series building up to a executive mandated cop-out with a potentially cool finishing arc that nobody cares about anymore
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Braixen please evolve.
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>>28162174
Veronica Taylor as Ash
Eric Stuart as James
Rachael Lillis as Jessie
Nathan Price as Meowth
Monica Rial as Bonnie
Eric Vale as Clemont
Colleen Clinkenbeard as Serena

I'd drop Cathcart as script writer and replace him with J. Michael Tatum and then I'd fire Goldfarb, and keep all the Japanese music as well as playing it at full volume (unlike DuArt).

I'd make catchier openings or just keep the Japanese ones, too.
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>>28162268
I also remembered Vic Mignonga voicing in a BW episode about Elgyem.
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>>28162298
Even on my deathbed, I'll look back at the wasted potential and cry at the futility of hope.
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>>28162298
Nips are so retarded, pitifull wastes of oxygen. I want them wipe off the map.
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>>28162268
>>28162336
Dan Green came back for XY after some long ass spousal mourning
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>>28162174
Danny DeVito as Pikachu
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Post Serena getting her haircut
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>>28162318
>Monica Rial as Bonnie
>Colleen Clinkenbeard as Serena
Fuck no.
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Am I the only one who wishes the anime could pretend gens 3-6 didn't happen and just snap back and start hoenn fresh?
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>>28162357
no
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>>28162268
Yeah, that's true, now we don't get anyone good in Kalos. Only Haberkorn showed up as Tierno, but he sounded bad, and Schemmel was already in the 4Kids dub so it means nothing now.

>>28162281
Same, and I'm aware, but I still find him more distinct myself.
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>>28162353
He actually returned in DP to voice Spiritomb in one episode.
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>>28162373
Well, I'd recast them to someone better, then: either way, the dub would be way better than it is now.
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>>28162349
See: >>28162238

And I suggest you stop watching childrens' anime if you hate Japanese people that much.
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>>28162220
*as meowth
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Which of the Aikatsu Stars characters do you think will cut her hair first?
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>>28162220
>>28162438
>>28162355
>le funny voice men as meme characters

this shit

needs

to

end
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>>28162417
Sorry, I just think those voice actors are incredibly overrated. I think Rial uses the same voice for all her roles and I didn't like Clinkenbeard's voice for Gohan in DBZ Kai but she's okay though.
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>>28162174
LA region dub
Veronica Taylor as Ash
I dunno who else yet, but it'd be using the California talent
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>>28162453
>no new titles

this shit

needs

to

end
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>>28162453
Danny De Vito and Gilbert Gottfried both have long, important careers in showbiz before becoming Internet buzzwords, they aren't Nicholas Cage.
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>>28162174
>Alright you fucking smartass spergy armchair director
Hopefully you mean everyone posting in here including the waifufags, not just the ones talking about the dub.
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>>28162318
>keep the Japanese ones
you want them to play japanese music for the intro of the dubbed version? That sounds fucking retarded.
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Don't worry guys, sooner or later a war with China will break out, and the Chinks will commit all sorts of atrocities to the Nips, you shall be avenged in some way.
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>>28162568
>what every single anime barring Pokémon does is retarded
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Danny Dyer as Meowth.
I think a cockney Meowth would be a lot more menacing.
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>>28162600
Adamant as new titles when
Would you be ok with this?
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>>28161704
>Serena
>Ever leading in the Ashbowl to begin with
She spent the first half of the series behind Clemont and the second half as a very distant second to Shota/Greninja/Alan.
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>>28161812
>LA dub
LA is quickly becoming a cesspit of graduated fandubbers working on low-budget anime dubs that pay scraps. Everything else is pretty much only out there for Troy Baker-type folk. If you're not in either of those extremes you're pretty much out of work because there's not a ton of "mid budget" stuff out there. Which is depressing since the only things I've heard Taylor in was the shitty new Sailor Moon dub and World of Warcraft.

>>28162453
Gilbert Gottfried should voice literally everyone. He is too good for reserving for just meme characters.
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>>28162231
She's beta anon. She didn't know how Ash would react. Hence why as soon as he extended his hand to her, she looked shocked and then orgasmed all over herself.
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As far as I know in japan satosere also reigns supreme but what other ships still get some love?
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>>28162583
I like the nips better than the china's though
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>>28162447
Mahiru or Laura
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>>28162644
The hits count between Ash/Serena vs all other Ash/Main girl pairings is hilarious. Ash/Dawn is the "closest" het pairing to it.
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>>28162627
But the Sailor Moon redub is good
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>>28162644
'sup
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>>28162638
I love this whole scene
The many faces of Serena
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You are Ash. Serena touches you like this. What do?
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>>28162644
Pearlshipping is second moat popular. Even to this day they have new fanart.
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>>28162723
That's not Serena though, that's Hex Maniac.
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>>28162720
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>>28162678
Gary should be a companion in Alola
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>>28162723
When did that turn into a yuri series? jesus christ.
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>>28162038
Sexy af
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Pixiv hits:

Ash/Serena: 6,418,721
Ash/Gary: 4,857,171
Ash/Dawn: 3,132,614
Ash/Cilan: 2,850,772
Ash/Misty: 1,968,780
Ash/May: 1,501,021
Ash/Iris: 895,125
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>>28162738
He should. And won't be. ;_;
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>>28162800
>Ash/Gary count
Not bad.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FePPDsMMnaM
KILL ALL NIPS.
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>>28162737
NOPE
O
P
E
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>>28162800
>Ash/Cilan.
Good taste in boys.
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>>28162800
Ash/Gary
Ash/Cilan
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>>28162800
Pixiv only dates back to 2008 though. Those numbers aren't too surprising.
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>>28162871
Ash is a irresistible magnet, a vortex of sexual energy, a walking orgone dispenser.
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>>28162760
Giovanni was the only good thing about origins
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>>28162823
Here is their fan-art count.

Ash/Serena: 966
Ash/Gary: 818
Ash/Misty: 582
Ash/Cilan: 499
Ash/Dawn: 429
Ash/May: 231
Ash/Iris: 186 (kek)
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>>28162231
>>28162920
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>>28161142
Her mom has blue hair and her hair didn't change color while she was wandering around in the wilderness. Clearly genetic.
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>>28162920
Shota, pls
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>>28162800
Most popular homo pairing?
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>>28162943
Seems like they're more interested in yaoi with Ash/Serena being the most prevalent in terms of Ash/Girl.
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Ash is too pure, good and beautiful for this world of shit.
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>>28162871
But it's great.
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>>28162978
If you combine the different tags of ShigeSato or SatoShige, it's probably the still the most popular Ash pairing overall, at least on Pixiv.
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>>28162992
That's usually the case with nips.
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>>28162877
I thought it came out earlier, or maybe I was thinking of nico nico douga
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>>28162978
>Ash
>Gary
>Alola

Oh fuck. I want this. I want this for the S&M animu.

Make it happen.
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What if Plumeria became the Alola female companion?
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>>28161489
>not KEEPU for Eureka
One job!
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>>28163048
Travelling with a researcher makes sense if Ash takes the frog. That's why I think in that scenario Lillie has some chances to be a companion, but I'd take Gary on a drag over any female. No homo.
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>Purest form of love.
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>>28162676
>Stephanie Sheh as Sailor Moon was actually blessed by Takeuchi and sounds like the original seiyuu
>People still dislike her
Dub haters can't be pleased
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>>28162800
>Misty and Gary got written out at the same time
>Pairing Ash with Gary is still more than twice as popular as pairing him with Misty
Mistyfags on suicide watch?
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>>28163325
It's true.
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>>28163325
>Iris is actually cute as fuck here
Why couldn't she be like that more often?
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>>28163325
I know people have strong opinions about BW, but it had fun moments, it wasn't all bad all the time.
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>>28163404
Honestly I enjoyed most of BW season 1. It had some shit episodes like the Cottonee one, but it wasn't until they ruined Dawn and fucked the league that BW really became unsalvageable.

Even then there were good episodes like that one.
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>>28163404
The main problem is that it had a lot of severe problems that lasted throughout the entire series, and dropped the ball on MANY important things. It had good moments, and even Iris was cute and likable every now and then, it's just that this shit wasn't frequent enough.

We've had a fair number of "let's discuss things BW did right" talks here over the years. It's a series that's a lot better in hindsight when you know where it fucked up and what to expect.
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>>28161660
>S&M 01: Build a wall! The mysteious aryan princess!
>Arian
?
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>>28163487
>tfw I actually liked Season 2 episode 3 a lot
Yeah, it had some slight characterization inconsistencies, but it was cute and funny in general.
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>>28163487
>fucked the league
The only good leagues are for gens 1, 2 and 4
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>>28163554
>1
Hahahahaha no
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>>28163554
3 was good. That Kate battle makes up for losing to a Meowth. Also >>28163565, although the Jeanette Fisher battle ranks among Kanto's best.
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>>28163588
Ranking among Kanto's best is not much of an accomplishment. The fact that it's somewhat reminiscent of an actual battle at all puts it up there.
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Kalos is the only league I feel it was a fuck you to us, not Tobias or Cameron, but this one, which i ironically the best and at the same time the worst league. It may be I wasn't expecting anything from BW.
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>>28163565
Ash losing unfairly (because a lot of his mons got tired fighting Team Rocket) and making the kids watching cry in the process was a good writing decision and showed that Ash couldn't plot armor his way into being the very best and needed to work harder.

For fuck's sake, he only won like three legit badges in Kanto and even needed a rematch for all of them.
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>>28163637
yeah. Silver Conference is better than Indigo.
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>>28163625
Cameron was a fuck you too. Kalos was a bigger fuck you though, with most of it skipped supposedly to allow for better Shota and Alan fights, then the Alan fight was shitter than shit.
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>>28163625
Did you watch BW as it aired? As bad as the series was in general, Kotetsu was hated for being an obnoxiously retarded faggot right from his first appearance and Ash losing to him of all people felt like Worst Director was making sure to aim for eyes when he was spitting on us. It was NOT well received.
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>>28163625
It was a perfect storm of shit due to having tons of potential which got massively ruined by the ending.
>Ash's opening battle was mostly skipped due to screentime given to Takeru, which ended up being useless because he was 100% right in badges not meaning shit
>Ash vs Ayaka skipped with more time given to Alan vs Louis instead
>Shota vs Tierno was pretty good
>Ash vs Shota was amazing
>break episode barely focused on Ash and much more on Manon and Alan
>perfect or almost perfect first half of the finals killed by the second half
>Ash ends up never defeating his recurring rival
>extremely hyped up new attack jobs for no reason
>Ash only won one battle that wasn't 90% offscreen
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>>28163694
The lesson of Kalos is always bet on the Gary Stu.
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Who will become more hated in time? Tobias or Alan?
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>>28163758
Fuck Alan, fuck that son of a bitch mary sue faggot piece of shit and his lucky charms bitch.
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>>28163738
The lesson is always bet against Ash
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>>28163758
Alan. Alan practically hijacked everything in the episode. When Tobias beat Ash, Ash already beat his rival in the tournament. Tobias was just like Harrison.
>>
Where do you see Gekkouga at the end of the series?
>>
How come Tierno didn't have a fucking Mega Pokemon? I thought the anime was supposed to showcase all the cool Mega Pokemon.
>>
I can't comment too well since BW made me extremely bitter and I consider it a laundry list of everything that can go bad in a show like this. I won't even excuse it for things outside their control fucking it up. There were things that were going to be fucked up regardless of if Plasma got to be in or not and they got to have their huge gang war. However, if I disregard that as I did a lot of things in XY and XYZ, it would at least pave the road for there being a lower amount of filler, but it still wasn't there yet. Their primary innovation was at least seemingly taking TR in a new direction, although it would eventually be deconstructed and reverted to it's former formula. TR did still get to do a lot of things here that they wouldn't have otherwise been allowed to do. The rivals also got to have plenty of presence thanks to the Don Battles, although it wasn't interesting presence. They were never a threat and were more around for running gags and snarkiness. Be that as it may, they at least had more relevance than who was supposed to be the actual rival, which turned into nothing after a while.

I guess that really is the most I can give it credit for, it at least laid the ground work for a more cohesive plot.
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>>28163782
Hey, don't drag innocent qts into this
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>>28163808
I hate the fact they are trying to shove Alan down our throats.
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>>28161019
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>>28163826
Because Tierno is trash.
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>>28163812
On a plate on Delia's dinner table.
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>>28163826
Maybe because of Siebold, since he already showcased M-Blastoise.
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>>28163808
Tobias was pretty much unbeatable, the fact that Ash got to shrek two of his legendaries while no one else could even beat Darkrai shows how great he really did in the league.

Then we get Ash losing to retarded kid in quarter finals and Charisue plot armor + jobber frog
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>>28163830
Yes, fuck that paddy potato eating midget with a shotgun barrel.
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>>28163758
Alan. Tobias made Ash look competent.
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>>28163758
>>28163808
Never thought Ash was going to win, so I fucking love Alain.

>>28163812
Ninja village. Probably forever synchro-crippled for some reason.
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>>28163863
Greninja needs to get boxed. Sceptile, Charizard or Infernape would've done better.
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>>28163876
>As if that mattered with the season after.
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>>28163872
I'd rather fuck Alan with a tank cannon.
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>>28163876
This.Losing to eventual champions or powerhouses early in the tournament isn't as bad as dropping the ball like in Kalos.
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>>28163893
No they still would have lost.
>>
Oh huh, they put this back up again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWtBDuxrcS0
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>>28163919
Reserve Alan for the breaking wheel.
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>>28163931
no, not really. Greninja's performance is a fucking joke compared to Ash's actual powerhouses.
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>>28163893
Don't underestimate Ash's reverse plot armor
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>>28163934

God I hate Magearna and Volcanion.

Fucking stupid looking Pokemon
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>>28162174
Ash - Maile Flannigan
Serena - Kate Higgins
Clemont - Byrce Papenbrook
Jessie/Bonnie - Wendee Lee (because she's also good at voicing lolis.)
James - Seth Rogan
Meowth - Kevin Hart
Prof. Oak - Steve Kramer
Alain - Yuri Lowenthal
Narrator - Roger Parsons (Same guy as now) or Mike Pollock again

And the dub script will be written by David Chase so the writing will be better than the original.
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>>28164017
Wrong taste fuck off
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>>28163934
Who cares?
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>>28164027
>watching dubs
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>>28162318
>tfw you will never hear Rachael Lillis' waifu voice ever again

And she's still in her 30's. Shiiiiiiiiet.
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>>28163988
Open your eyes, man. The writers will never allow Ash to win because they are human scum. Even if Ash has a team of legendaries level one million.
>>
Amour was a mistake
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>>28163876
Some modifications would've made the outcome more bearable. Like Edgezard fainting after the frog. But he was like "Not bad, kid" after taking the shuriken. Almost made it seem like Alan could have 6-0 Ash is he started with his charizard.
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>>28164066
>le anime is le ruined so I will le post le who cares replies to random posts
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>>28163998
actually. Had it been the Fully-evolved Kanto team, he would win. This is perhaps the hidden reason why he didn't win.

There simply isn't any narrative momentum during the episode.

If that was Ash's finest moment then all of these things should've happened:
1.Flashbacks to his setbacks, to his hard times
2.Cameos from his old friends
3.His old Pokemon appearing on-screen
4.Pikachu delivering the final blow for the win.


As soon as Pikachu went down, I knew he would lose.

So really, Pikachu, Charizard and the Kanto team are the key ingredients for him winning
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>>28164099
Kalos was a mistake!
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>>28164070
Actually, I'm now trying to watch both dub and sub versions of anime shows just to see the comparison.
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>>28164099
Alan was a mistake.
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Why would i want any other girl
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>>28164095
actually, if it's the right team (particularly a fully-evolved Kanto team, akin to what Red uses in G/S), he would win.
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>>28164128
Literally why
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>>28164137
You are a broken record, anon.
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>>28163782
>his lucky charms bitch
I genuinely kek'd.

>>28164119
I love the chicken.
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>>28164134
Because she es kil
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>>28164137
>>28164113
This; As long as Bulbasaur and Squirtle don't evolve into Blastoise and Venusaur, it won't happen.
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>>28164134
t. Satoshi
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>>28164154
>Implying it isn't true.
no random team is going over the OG team in terms of supplying Ash his finest moment.
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>>28163934
How did Squishy turn into its complete forme in the movie?
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>>28164134
Because she is bland and dull.
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>>28164133
B-but le "I treat everyone who isn't muh Manon or muh Satoshi like human garbage (and occasionally both of them too) and I get rewarded for it" egao man can never be wrong!
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It doesn't matter what pokemon it is. They can't and won't win.
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>>28164113
Pikachu had already wrecked two pseudos, he did more than enough.

Greninja is the current most popular mon and he had a special snowflake evolution so it wasn't really that far fetched for Ash to win with him as his final mon.

Charizard was the one who got to beat Gary and Sceptile was the one who beat Tobias's Darkrai so it isn't Pikachu the one who has to hog 100% of the glory.

>Fully-evolved Kanto team
They aren't going to make a genwunner wankfest, at most it would be just Pikachu and Charizard.
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>>28164150
Only just to see if the dub fucks up anything that was in the original.
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>>28164208
Clearly the best main girl in the series. Made it a lot more bearable to watch except for her BW cameo.
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>>28164134
You wouldn't Ash, now concentrate on defeating Lysandre.
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>>28164231
Literally why
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>>28164249
Because I can.
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>>28164210
Anon, it is not Ash's team fault he lost. It's the fucking hacks writing this garbage who make him lose for bullshit reasons.
It isn't so hard to understand. Ash may have a team of Magikarps, and if the writers want, he could win.
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>>28164223
She really isnt
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>>28164259
There's a lot of things you can do, anon.
Like drinking bleach.
Why not give it a try?
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>shitting on dubfags when they are the only ones at least trying to actively contribute some form of discussion
>everyone else is literally waifufag, emofag, or a titlefag

Uhhh...... black kettle much
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>>28164225
To think they gutted the entire show just to allow this garbage of a character have all the spotlight.
Fucking MC Hammer edgy reject.
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>>28164266
It also isn't hard to understand that the statement I made is two-pronged. It takes the right team and the right moment to pull the trigger;


those who were saying that Ash winning would've been viral, are dead wrong because all the normies would just not care with a nobody team.

Now Imagine if the team had Charizard and Pikachu bannering it instead of memefrog. This would have more impact to the public because these people would likely know that Charizard was the same pokemon who cost Ash his first league; and thus him winning would've had more weight than a random frog with special snowflake powers would.
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>>28164353
Greninja is more popular than Charizard nowadays, why do nostalgiafags have such a hard time accepting it?
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>>28164119
Racism
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>>28164113
I don't think you're understanding reverse plot armor.

He could have had Arceus and still lost. It's not a matter of him being a competent trainer or him being good, it's a matter of what the writers want.

We wanted him to win the league, but the writers pulled the rug from us, even if they heavily implied his win. What makes you think that even with his "best team" that the writers would allow him to win?
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>>28164337
Make your own thread if you want to shitpost pasta about the dub, anon.
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>>28164376
Yet Greninja lost to Edgezard the Unbeatable. Maybe the anime staff are genwunners.
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>>28164314
And why don't you go fuck off and drink bleach yourself.

People like you who has serious mental problems over someone who watches dubs or anything they don't like are fucking annoying. Do you feel better now that you have insulted a complete stranger on the Internet?
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>>28164337
>not being a titlefag
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>>28164376
>Greninja is more popular than Charizard nowadays, why do nostalgiafags have such a hard time accepting it?

Can we have a webm reminder for this faggot to remind him who won between the Zard and the memefrog on ep 38?
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>>28164399
Somebody else's Charizard, Ash's Charizard jobbed when it was needed.
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>>28164414
>implying Greninja lost because of popularity
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>>28164414
Popularity faggot, not win counts

Japan like Greninja the most out of all the pokemon
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>>28164223
>Calling the only good character bland and dull
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I don't care what anyone says. The League was not supposed to be Greninja's time to shine. It is supposed to be the hero to save Kalos
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>>28164414
Greninja is actually more popular, at least in Japan, the writer are the ones being braindead retards.
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>>28164414
Also lost to Sceptile and Avalugg, failed to defeat Charizard more than once, so?
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>>28164392
because it's not his best team statistically that would win it: Its his most cherished, most experienced team that would win it.

As you've said, it has something to do with the writing. Yes it's true, but again the only way the writers would give the win is because of the weight of him winning. It wouldn't be done with just a team that was assembled just to win the League, no. It would have to have the narrative weight to be able to win the league, and it's time to face the truth that the Kanto team has this more than any other team Ash has.
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>>28164429
and it still looked strong when it lost. Given its last showing on BW, it's tad more stronger than what it was on Sinnoh/Hoenn.
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>>28164458
It's possible it ends up being like that, the matter is that there was so much attention behind the league even from people who knew that TF's attack would begin right after.
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>>28164487
If that was true, then Pika would've gotten the extra special super form.
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>they showed Jessie like this but NOT Serena
???
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New bred:
>>28164509
>>28164509
>>28164509

Let's try having a happy one for a change.
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>>28164457
But he wasn't talking about Bonnie.
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>>28164529
>looking strong in BW
Anon, I...
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>>28164563
Cause she can't bond with Ash at all. She will be forever spilling spaghetti.
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>>28164458
Right, it was clearly supposed to be Megazard's after Alan went 120+ episodes not giving a shit about the league while Ash promised multiple times to Greninja ever since he was a Frogadier that they'd win it and become Pokémon Master together.
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>>28164563
Because in the end its just used as a tease. Something that they can keep bringing up over and over without having to address it.
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>>28163758
Cameron. Let's be honest, we'll never hate Alain or Tobias as much as him.

Ash lost to a guy so retarded that he didn't know that full battles were 6 vs 6 and brought only 5 Pokemon. At least Tobias had a raw power edge over Ash, and Alain was a close battle.
No, there is nothing redeemable about his loss to Cameron.
Fuck, why couldn't he have at least lost to Virgil and his Eevee team.
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>>28164612
Not winning the league doesn't mean he won't become a Pokémon Master anyway.

>replying to bait.
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>>28164540
Not that anon, but if anyone on the Kanto team is going to get a form it would be his Charizard assuming they don't touch their mascot.
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>>28164487
>implying that all of his pokemon aren't equally cherished
I can understand Pikachu but...

>It wouldn't be done with just a team that was assembled just to win the League
I would't say that he assembled his Kalos team just for winning the league. Literally most of his pokemon (even in previous regions [including Kanto]) came along because they wanted to, with some that he just caught for the sake of being a trainer. This is the farthest Ash has gotten in a league, all the way to the finals, to his opponent's last pokemon (even if he was also down to his). His loss of the league was because of the writers and/or because Megazard was too strong.
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>>28164647
>Satoshi-Lizardon
How awkward would it look like?
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>>28164414
The poll results came out very recently so it's doubtful they had any effect on how that battle ended.
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