Type effectiveness that don't make sense

>>28140429
>wanting Ghost to be this god like

>>28140429
grass absorbs water
sand can be used to put out fires
ice melts into water
you can't freeze steel

>fire is weak to ground
Cover a fire in dirt and see what happens
>water is weak to grass
The idea is that plants absorb water

>>28140429
Fairies are weak to Steel, lorewise.

>>28140429
>Fairy is weak to Steel
in some culture's folklore, ''fairies'' die when they come in contact with metal

>>28140429
Try punching an ant
Got nothing
Ghosts fight Ghosts
Throw a snowball and a car
Technology over Mythology
Grass absorbs Water
You throw dirt on campfires
Got nothing

>Water resists Ice
throw an ice cube into water
>>Fire is weak to Ground
throw dirt on fire
>Water is weak to Grass
water some planets and think about where the water went
>Ghost is weak to Ghost
too spooky
>Bug resists Fighting
punch a bug see who gets hurt
>Ghost is weak to Dark
too spoooky

cant explain steel but I'm sure someone else can

>Bugs are ery resisting
>idk
>idk
>Snow or Ice dont'do anything special to steel
>idk
>Grass absorb water
>Sand or dirt cover and choke the fire
>If you put a bit of Ice in a glass of water, it will melt.

>>28140494
>you can't freeze steel
You can probably get it to a point where it gets brittle and breaks apart.

>>28140533
>punch a bug see who gets hurt

The bug. You too but the bug still gets fucked up harder unless its got some bullshit fatal contact poison on it

>Ghost is weak to Dark

Spirits can become corrupted by evil....

>>28140519
>Throw a snowball and a car
im not strong enough to throw a car

>>28140519
>Try punching an ant
It'd be fucking crushed.

>>28140429
>Ghost is weak to Dark
Spirits are weak to negative emotions I guess
>Ghost is weak to Ghost
Use the ethereal to fight the ethereal
>Steel resists Ice
Makes sense if you use Gamefreak's logic. If you chuck a piece of ice at some metal which breaks?
>Fairy is weak to Steel
Fey are weak to cold iron.
>Water is weak to Grass
Plants absorb water. Maybe it doesn't make as much sense offensively as it does defensively, but that's what it is.
>Fire is weak to Ground
Dirt smothers fire.

Fairies have been said to be weak to iron, much in the same way that werewolves and vampires are weak to silver.

Don't know why but fuck you they're fairies it doesn't have to make sense.

>>28140564
>>28140580
>thinking you can take on a bug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA7vV4_b9YA

>>28140564
Bugs are gross and you don't want to make physical contact with them, that combined with their really small size and speed makes them very difficult to hit with a proper strike. Makes it inefficient to use martial arts on an insect.

>>28140429
To be fair things with the esotaric types are mainly balance, like before dark types ghost had no weekness

What the hell is "dark" anyways

>>28140429
>Bug SE against Dark
I get the idea, with the "hero is called a bug by the villain, but ultimately defeates it", but if you really think about it, bugs have been associated more with evil and bad omens/events then heroic acts. Take for instance Beelzebub, one of the 7 prince of Hell, he represents the sin of gluttony and he's most famous know as "King of the flies". How can you lead an army of bugs if you're weak to them ? And locusts have always been a bad sign of upcoming destruction, devastating crop fields everywhere.

>Flying being SE against Grass
Flying in itself refers to creatures that fly all around like birds and bats, but they don't do anything to trees and platns other thenneat there fruit which actually helps the trees to spread there seeds. Also, let's not forget there are tress in tropical areas that laugh when hurricane season comes.

>>28140604
>dynamic punch with no guard
Nice try but that shit is going to home in no matter how fast you move out of the way.

>>28140672
>What the hell is "dark" anyways

Judging by the moves and Japanese name (Evil), physical Dark moves are dirty, underhanded fighting, and special Dark moves are shooting malicious thought energy.

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>>28140429
Hey talonflame...

>>28140639
But it is so much more efficient to hit them with a rock.

>>28140676
Flying = Air and I'm pretty sure Air at high speed is sharp so it can cut up Grass easily.

>>28140429
have you ever tried punching a bug

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>>28140604
>Fighting is ineffective on bug
>Fire is effective
>Bug gets a mega form with added dark typing later in the episode and beats fire because lolmegas
>Fighting type is effective on bug/dark mega

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>Bird flies into tree
>Tree dies

>>28140744
Try and do that with a mosquito.

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>>28140676
But in japan a lot of heroes have bug motif in then like pic related

with dark and ghost i imagine it like
evil people have no respect for the dead

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>fairy is immune to dragon
>fairy resists bug
>fire resists fairy

Really makes you think

>>28140819
Why are bugs so popular in Japan ?

>>28140774
No because bugs are icky

>>28140789
>Bird uses tree flesh to make a home so it can produce more of itself

burd weens every time

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>>28140429
>>Bug resists Fighting
You do not squash a bug with fury, anon-san. You must be wise and patient and use a precise movement. Fire works too.
>>Ghost is weak to Dark
Ghosts feed on surprise and fear. You can't surprise and scare pure evil. Pure evil feeds on your weakness to fail to understand this.
>>Ghost is weak to Ghost
Ghosts feed on what they are.
>>Steel resists Ice
Iron was made by men to resist all that exists, anon-san.
>>Fairy is weak to Steel
Iron was also made by men to capture elf magic.
>>Water is weak to Grass
Grass eats Water, anon-san.
>>Fire is weak to Ground
How to put out a Fire with no Water? Throw Sand at it.
>>Water resists Ice
Throw a cube of Ice into Water, and watch it melt.

>>28140837
>psychic is weak to bug
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhnsC2V4_0w

>>28140929
Mosquitos and flies make it hard to focus. Plus, fear of bugs. Psychic weaknesses all have to do with psychological fear.

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>>28140566
Gengar is literally called the "Shadow Pokemon" and it's weak to fucking Dark. No excuses there bud.

>>28140971
Shadows aren't intrinsically evil. They're playful and like to play scares.

>>28140971
>Pokedex
Hotter than the sun and Indian Elephants am i rite?

>>28140506
Well, iron, but steel has iron in it. That's also probably why steel used to be SE against ghost.

>>28141012
>That's also probably why steel used to be SE against ghost.
Uh this was never a thing you newfag

Psychic being strong against poison and ice being strong against dragon are the matchups that make the least sense to me.

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>>28140982
But why the Poison typing? Poison types are obviously crooks and are evil.
>>28141001
I guess you're right but do you really expect this thing to be weak to Dark?

>>28140971
Dark isn't about shadows, that's the localization's fault.

In Japan Dark type is Evil type, and the theme is about badness and shit. Thief, taunt, etc. Not shadows, evil.

>>28141054
Because its made of poison gas. Did you ignore the first stage?

>>28141030
Ah I thought I heard that somewhere. Can't say I've played old games recently, nor am I autistic enough to remember every minute detail of the type match-ups. Guess you have me covered there Chris-chan.

>>28141033
Dragon = reptiles and reptiles are cold-blooded so if the temperatures are low enough it can kill them. There's probably some exceptions to this but I'm just trying to make sense of it.

>>28140429
>Ghost is weak to Dark
Nips don't want their deceased becoming evil. Isn't dark=evil type in moonspeak?

>>28141089
It should change its type then. Plenty of mons change typing when they evolve.

>Bug resists Fighting
Bugs are hard to hit and I think if there would be in real life a bug as big as heracross you couldn't do anything with a punch thanks to his exoskeleton

>Ghost is weak to Dark
The name of Dark type in Spanish is "Sinister" , So i think is logical that a ghost tries to avoid bad karma and those things

>Ghost is weak to Ghost
I think that in fact just a ghost can hit another ghost, like dragon vs dragon.

>Steel resists Ice
actually you need liquid nitrogen to break the steel so i think that just the ice pokémon are no cold enough


>Fairy is weak to Steel
Fairies get burn with steel

>Water is weak to Grass
Plants absorb water

>Fire is weak to Ground
Ground stifles fire

>Water resists Ice
Ice melts in water also I think that is because both are the same material

>>28140851
Because eastern society never had a period of time where they thought all animals, especially non-mammals, were satanic. So naturally they incorporated one of the most populous forms of animal on earth into their culture and folklore.

>>28141033
In the pokemon universe dragons just are weak to ice. I don't get it either, but they really make this a thing. Which is why on a tropical region like Hoenn you can only find Ice types in a rare cave, and Dragon types roam around. While in Sinnoh, Ice types are fucking common like rain and only one species of Dragon can be found on an underground cave.

>>28141118
Makes enough sense.

>>28141151
>Ground stifles fire
I always thought Ground attacked exclusively through, well, the ground and that's why they couldn't hit Flying types and were SE against Steel since earthquakes collapse buildings. How does Ground choke fire out? And before you mention throwing something on top of the fire that just brings up the question why can't you just throw earth at a flying target?

>>28140429
>Bug resists Fighting
It's not easy to punch a bug.
>Ghost is weak to Dark
>Ghost is weak to Ghost
Spooky is only afraid of legitimately evil things and other spooky things.
>Steel resists Ice
If you throw an ice cube at something made of steel it will not do much.
>Fairy is weak to Steel
You can hold fairies in a steel cage and trap them.
>Water is weak to Grass
Put a plant in some water and it will drink it all up.
>Fire is weak to Ground
Throw dirt in a fire and it will put it out.
>Water resists Ice
Throw an ice cube in water and it becomes water.

I'm not saying this is correct but this is how it makes sense to me.

>>28140519
>Punches an ant
>it's fucking dead

Rock and fighting are good on ice, and ice not very effective on rock


Why

>>28140921
>>28140533
>>28141151
>>28141333
>le ice melt in water
Yeah and put a cup of water in the freezer and see what happens. I don't think something like Kyurem has the freezing power of a fucking lone ice cube.

>>28141409
Try putting the freezer in a lake

>>28141409
But we're talking about an ice beam against a body of water. Proportionately, of course water wins. Except if that bit if ice beam is actually a freeze dry.
If you put a small bit of water in a refrigerator, of course there it will freeze.

>>28141409
It's called ice type not cold type. The same way fire type is not hot type.

>>28141331
Sand and dirt moves also are ground type
Not even mention bone moves are ground too

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>>28140429

Have you tried to punch a fly?
Ghost is already strong enough as is
Grass eats water
Nature (symbolized by faries) is destroyed by technology (i.e. steel)
Dirt smothers fire
Ice melts in water

>>28141409
I insist in my theory that is because both are the same material

>>28140429
>Water is weak to Grass

Basically water helps grass by not damaging it at all, think of it as water if a plant. It doesn't damage it at all (unless you drown the fucking thing, or let alone spam a water attack)

>>28141142
>It should change its type

It's made of poison gas, and being made of gas is the only reason it's a ghost type in the first place so it makes sense to play up the poison angle.

Other things that don't make sense

>Pidgey, the bird pokemon
>Ash: "What's a bird?"

>pokeballs

>pokemon basically have magic

>they have teleporters but everyone walks

It's a video game/kid's TV show. It doesn't have to make sense.

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>>28140982

>>28141578
that theory is wrong--why does water resist ice but not vice versa?

>>28141651
Because it's much harder to keep H2O cold and solid than to keep it in the natural state of liquid bliss

>>28140790
Well, apparently trying to hit a Mosquito with a rock is 16x more effective than trying to hit them with a hand.

>>28140921
>Fire works too
Does fire really hurt bugs more than other animals? I mean, sure, Bugs are green, but is that really enough justification?

>>28141713
Japs traditionally think fire is the best way to fix bugs. Seriously, am I the only one who watched that Samurai Jack episode?

>>28140672
Fighting dirty

>>28141393
>Rock and fighting are good on ice
Because they both shatter Ice.
>and ice not very effective on rock
Ice hits neutral on Rock

>>28141108
Not even that anon but don't do that shit. It makes you sound so insecure to demean someone who corrected you. Sure he did it in a rude way, but you didn't exactly make a "minute" mistake.

>>28141770
Honestly a big chunck of ice can break a rock as much as a big chunk of rock can break ice. But the former happens more than the latter: permafrost

Large bugs
Bugs stronker than other beings when enlightened.
Bugs stronger than muscular type.
Out tough the tough

>>28141712
Steel is only weak to anything for balance reasons. Nothing can really hurt a slab of solid steel.

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Why has ice been allowed to be so shit for so long? If they took the liberty to nerf steel, why not remove some of the more absurd weakness ice has?

>water beats rock because rivers, rain, etc. erodes stone
>glaciers can carve paths through entire mountains
>rock still beats ice

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>>28140789
>The scarecrow pokemon is weak to bords

>>28141809
Stealth Rock also unfairly impairs one of the worst types in the game.

>>28141809
Ice should be SE against Steel too. Fire is because it gets hot enough to melt the metal so surely that means the Ice can get cold enough to make it weak and shatter.

>>28140429
>Bug resists Fighting
They both resist eachother because they are the good guys. Heroes in general for fighting and Kamen Rider for bugs.This is also the reason they are both strong against dark type, the "evil" type.

>>28141840
Fucking one-turn setup moves that take up to 50% HP off an incoming mon depending on their type were a mistake

What the fuck was GF thinking?

>>28141900
Rock was good in gen 1 and shit until gen 4 where they gave the sandstorm buff and stealth rocks.

>>28141809
Ice type should not exist desu

>>28141927
and the best stealth rock setters aren't even rock type
really makes you think

>>28141945
you gotta have something replace it then
i vote light type

>>28140908
>borb collects dead flesh of tree to make home in strong tree
brob is sneaky like peble

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>>28141927
>the overwhelming majority of Stealth Rock users in competitive play aren't even rock types

>>28141956
>>28141985
it's sad

>>28141961
Nee, just make steel effective against dragon, plant and birds are a little buffed now and thats all.

>>28141945
Change ice to cold

>>28141466
>It's called ice type not cold type
>Implying ice can be hot

>>28141193
It's because dragons are cold blooded man they can't exist in cold climates

If you use shiver touch on one you can kill it instantly

Steel represents industry.

Industry destroys the natural and mysterious habitats fairies reside in.

Poison can represent disease, corruption or pollution which is why fairies and grass are weak to it.

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>>28141985
>implying
Every Rock type besides the legendaries and Tyranitar are all in or below UU with a lot of them being PU

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>>28141956
>Chansey is currently the best Rock-Type

>>28142077
Actually, ice can cause burns.

>>28142132
what?

>>28142047
>steel effective against dragon
This makes perfect sense. Hero slaying a dragon with his steel sword.

>>28142134
hence the move "freeze burn"

>>28141827
scarecrows have never been effective against birds
they just fucking sit on them and keep doing their bird shit uninterrupted

>>28140851
Because it's a semi-tropical climate and there are FUCKTONS of bugs.

Also, they are very flashy and colorful, so they get attention because they look cool.

ITT anons got mad enuff at insects to fight them, and lost

>>28142134
the burn isnt because its hot but because tissue is being frozen. it might feel hot but thats due to nerve damage

>>28142260
An ice burn doesn't have anything to do with tissue being frozen. Well actually it kinda does, but it's mostly to do with the skin, not with the underlying tissue.

>Fairy is weak to Steel

Whack a fairy with a steel girder. See what happens.

Have you ever tried to punch a bird?

>>28142302
I killed a bird with a stick once, flying should be weak to grass.

>>28141961
Light type was a nice idea a while ago but it's not a direction they'll ever go. I think it's better for it frankly it's just too predictable. And I used to be one of the people who wanted it the most.

>>28142479
This should be a grass type move, actually. Stick Stab. Farfetch'd should learn it to just because.

>Psychic resists fighting
Am I the only one who feels like this should be a two way street? If fighters are weak to mental attacks due to only training their bodies then it stands to reason that psychics should be weak to fighting due to only training their minds.

>>28140429

>Bug Resists Fighting

it's becuase buys are actually really sturdy creatures. The only reason why they seem so easily crushed is that our body connects with a solid object such as a wall or concreate.

try punching an actual bug, it really isn't going to do thing

>ghost is weak to dark

not to sure but my best guess is that ghosts are all about shadows and shit. Evil that lurks in the darkness isn't really going to do much

>Ghost weak to Ghost

probably something to do the spectral plane or whatever

>steel resists ice

steel is the defensive type and resists almost everything anyway.

>fairy weak to steel

something to do with European mythology.

>water weak to grass

because grass use water for life, and a plant outbreak can really overtake a body of water easily.

>fire weak to ground

dirt, just like rocks are used to contain fire or even snuff it out.

>water resists ice

water is for the most part at a higher temperature than ice so ice won't do much to affect water unless you surround the water in a cold environment, which really isn't what the Ice type in Pokemon is about.

>>28141712
>Fire cannot melt rock
what is magma/lava?

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Is it safe to assume that fire resists fairy because of how Megazard X debuted in the same gen?

>>28140429
>Bug resists Fighting
Every tried hitting a bird?
>Ghost is weak to Dark
Not all ghosts are evil and can resist it
>Ghost is weak to Ghost
There are good ghosts and bad ghosts
>Steel resists Ice
Ice can't freeze steel beams
>Fairy is weak to Steel
Mythology, Fairies are poisoned by Iron and other metals
>Water is weak to Grass
Grass absorbs water, a tree growing out of the ocean would absorb it, Wind Waker rules
>Fire is weak to Ground
Dirt puts out fire
>Water resists Ice
Ice melts in water

The only bugs that are hard to hit with your hands, flies, mosquitos, bees, etc., are only hard to hit because they're flying, not because they're bugs. I think the matchup was to ensure flying bugs like beedrill would still resist fighting, even though they aren't flying type. Beedrill is bug poison, right? It doesn't apply anymore. There's no reason a scolipede would be hard to hit

>>28142922
exoskeletons my friend

>>28142922
>a 5 foot bug with an exoskeleton

>fire is weak to ground
throwing dirt/ soil on fire to put it out is a thing

>>28140429
Have you ever tried to punch a mosquito?

>>28141033
ive always thought about psychic beating posion like a scientist making a cure against the poison

>>28141713
As someone who had to defend food while grilling and had a camp lighter to hand, I can attest that fire is EXTREMELY effective against bugs. Ants shrivel up and die instantly and en mass when they get near open flame, and even huge fucking wasps keel over pretty much immediately if you can catch them when they land- even if it survives the heat and the impact with the ground when it rolls off the table, it's ant food with a wing burned off.

Spider webs also dissipate immediately in the presence of flame. Of all the controversial type weakness dynamics, Fire > Bug is not one of them. Bug Type still Best Type

>>28142514
same with sound type. i like the idea but its just such a specific theme that it just wont ever have any unpredictability that could be done with it.

>>28142731
wouldnt psychics be able to deflect physical attacks onto itself or slow down the hits to reduce the impact?

>>28142731
Which is why most psychic types have usually poor physical defense.

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>>28140429
I never really understood Poison's resistance to Fighting. I also never understood Fighting and Bug's resistance to each other.

>>28143290
Funny, I never understood why Fighting wasn't weak to Poison.

>>28142290
>Fire is resistant to Steel
Whack a fire with a steel girder. See what happens.

>>28142839
Fun.

>>28142839
Hot rock, but still being rock

>>28143290
try punching acid. and i guess an ant cant hurt you but you cant really hurt it with nothing but your hands without some effort either? idk

>>28140429
Well what would ghost be weak to then? It has two immunities and is super effective to psychic, it needs its drawbacks in order to balance it. And besides Ghost types today are now immune to trapping moves and abilities.

>>28140429
>bug vs fighting
I see it that bugs are strong in their own survival sense, strong, adaptive, fast and instinctual etc. Fighting is about tactics and hitting those weak spots. Both have a sort of similar concept, so I think both have that "instinct" to cancel each other out. You could make many references to squishing bugs etc, however most bug types in pokemon are not small at all. Other than that, both Bug and Fighting are "heroic" types, as in Kamen rider type stuff etc.

>Ghost is weak to Dark
Ghosts to me are "neutral" albeit a bit tortured and confused. However as we know, ghosts in literally everything fall to evils - as in ghosts can also be tainted or influenced and essentially overpowered by evil. Remember that Dark is Evil in Jap thx.

>steel resists ice
I really don't know what your problem is here.

>Fairy is weak to steel
Iron/Steel kills/harms fairies in folklore, but besides that it's also associated with manmade shit which fairies aren't particularly fond of either. In fact in almost every story ever fairies hate manmade shit.

>water is weak to grass
What stops water eroding earth around rivers and beaches?
What does the grass absorb?
Please take some basic bio.

>Fire is weak to ground
Suffocation mostly, the same theory for water.

>water resists ice
this one is absolutely stupid, you may ask why, because you haven't thought about it enough. Ice types should be able to freeze the outlets a water type has. Not only that, but H2O freezes in circular patterns, thus expanding and bursting the vessel. I am fully aware that water types could hold a great density of water "magically" so it would take extreme cold - but that's what ice type is there for. If they changed this one factor I think that honestly ice could be saved.

Ice should also resist water for being able to put it to use.


tbc.

>>28143834
If ANYONE is also wondering how rock/ice/steel/ground/grass/water etc work, here's an explanation.

ground, grass and water are about quantities, Volume and resistance. All 3 are great at resisting shock, but 2 ground and water, are great at further "special" defenses due to volume and quantities.

I list grass there because it beats both, and the only weakness it has is that plants are supposed to be rooted. They're stuck and cannot choose where to go. Of course grass POKEMON can, but the type resistances etc are based on this.

Ground beats rock because rock is too solidified, too dense, too hard. It will crack where ground would just displace the shock caused by rocks slamming into it. The same goes for how water beats rock, except the weight of water would be too much for the already heavy rock type that probably is slowly absorbing water in a bad sense. Ice is also rekt by ground for the exact same reason that ground beats rock. But Rock beats Ice because out of the two rock has the better density and resistance.

STEEL is probably the most OP typing. The reason it's beaten by ground is because STILL the shock absorption exists. But steel can also be bent by the sheer force of an earthquake under its own weight. Steel again though, is a very dense thing, but it's also very sparse in its resources because of it - often having to use its own body to do anything. Ground has shit tons of resources outside of its own body.

>>28141985

Yeah and?

>The overwhelming majority of Ice Beam users aren't Ice.
>The overwhelming majority of Toxic users aren't Poison.
>The overwhelming majority of Spikes users aren't ground
>The overwhelming majority of Will-o-wisp users aren't Fire.

Blame GF.

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>>28141712
Some of this shit is thought of or phrased in the dumbest ways.

>ground is weak to water because water hydrates dry ground

No, ground is weak to water because floods, for instance, erode ground.

>Rock is weak to grass because of moss growing on rocks

No, rock is weak to grass because plant roots penetrate and crack stone.

>Electric is weak to ground because lightning cannot reach the ground

What the fuck?

>>28144125
>>The overwhelming majority of Will-o-wisp users aren't Fire
To be fair, that move has always been associated with Ghosts.

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>>28141712
>Electric is weak to ground because lightning cannot reach the ground

My favorite is water pokemon being the most resilient to temperature changes

>>28141108
wow you're a massive retard

>>28140429
>Fighting is the good guy type Kamen Rider is like a bug so good guys wouldn't fight each other
>No idea
>Only ghosts can touch other ghosts
>Ice isn't going to break a steel beam anytime soon
>Steel is reality and Fairy is myths
The rest are obvious

>>28141177
yeah I honestly hate how non-mammals get such a bad rap in most societies.

>>28141331
Your autism is showing, anon.

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>rock is weak to water

>>28144597
Neither is jet fuel.

>>28144641
B-but if you throw water at a mountain for thousands of years its shape might change a bit eventually that's definitely super effective!

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>>28144658

>>28144701
Hey man, high pressure streams of water can cut through steel, rocks aren't shit when the water is slamming it fast enough.
Although that brings up the question of why water isn't SE against Steel
But steel doesn't resist water so I guess that works

>>28140429
In old lore a fairy was burned if they touched iron, therefore people put iron crosses out to get rid of fairys.
As for the fire is weak to ground, put some sand or dirt on a fire and then come back

>Fairy is weak to steel
In some classical fae lore, cold iron acted like poison to fairies and even touching it was lethal

>Fire weak to ground
You do realize water isn't the only way to put out a fire right? Especially chemical fires; the best ways to put those out are with sand or dirt to suffocate it.

>>28144747
It can also cut through trees and flesh much more easily with that logic.

>>28141892

my take in it as that fighters are tough enough to take on brittle-limbed insects, but that martial arts would be useless against giant insectoid freaks

>>28140497
>>28140494
why don't grass types get hp from water attacks then

>>28141121
悪 あく (n) evil; wickedness; (P)
It is.
I find it funny how the English versions fucked it up by changing its meaning, and then some other localizations fucked it up even further by turning it into "nocturnal".

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>>28145075
Becuse that'll be fucking op, you reatard

>>28145075
you can also drown plants, but most are able to withstand it for a long time. They shouldn't heal because there's much more to the process of absorption, and much more to what water can do. Simply, grass beats water by being able to withstand it for long and rooting itself in the earth. A water pokemon doesn't particularly have enough water to flat out drown a pokemon in the open space, nor the sheer force to rip it from its roots.

>>28144814
>>28144747
>>28144701
>>28144641
... have you ever tried swimming in clothes or with weights? It's pretty hard. Though, again water types aren't able to drown rock types, they can exhaust them by adding extra weight. I also feel like rock types are related to dryness and hardness, thus water is something to soften them and wet them. They just don't like it. Plus, if a rock is thrown into a lake, even if it's a boulder the water is just going to displace and swallow it.

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Parasites eat away at muscle tissue and tend to infest the digestive track making it harder to gain muscle

>>28140429
Bugs are actually very resistant to physical force. If they were our size like they are in pokemon, punching them wouldn't do shit.

Also, remember that Ice type is mostly about the ice itself, not cold.

>>28145312
someone gets the ice thing, except most pokemon are indefinitely cold enough to instantly freeze at least the surface layer of water. That would also only further their advantage by having resources to use + cooling the battle field further.

The fairy is weak to steel thing actually makes sense

>Bug resists Fighting ~ its hard to fight something so small
>Ghost is weak to Dark ~ doesnt make sense
>Ghost is weak to Ghost ~ doesnt make sense
>Steel resists Ice ~
>Fairy is weak to Steel ~ fairy has to have some weakness
>Water is weak to Grass ~ plants absorb water to grow
>Fire is weak to Ground ~ if you put dirt on a fire it goes out
>Water resists Ice ~ water becomes ice when its cold
most of them make sense if you think about it

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>>28140429
>Ghost is weak to Ghost

>>28140590
But what if we chuck an iceburg at a metal ship?

>>28140548
With this theory you can burn out melt anything with fire if you get the flames hit enough. Calm down you absolute madman, it's all about principal.

>>28145507
but what if we chuck a metal iceburg at a ice shit?

>>28145578
>>28145507
No, we crash a ship made of diamond into an iceberg of diamond

>>28145452
My personal headcanon on Bug resisting fighting is that they have hard exo-skeletons that cushion them from physical blows, as most Fighting moves would be.

I also once heard someone explain the Fairy weaknesses wonderfully by pointing out that fairies are all about magic and purity and nature and such, so steel, poison and fire would represent some kind of *un*-natural stuff, or pollution/coruption which would harm them. Or you could go the classical route and point out that fairies are harmed by cold iron, and while Steel is not iron, it's close enough for Pokemon logic. They make plenty of sense to me.

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>>28145507
it was a thin superficial layer holy shit, the reason why the iceberg won is because it was of a much larger scale. Plus metal being malleable means that a sheet of metal can be crushed, dented, thinned/weakened etc upon impact. A lot of ice probably broke off too, but I can guarantee there was more ice than steel.

>>28140429
Bugs have wierd anatomy which weakens fighting moves

Dark represents "evil" which has power over the dead or something, meaning it's strong against ghosts

Ghosts are naturally resistant to non-ghost things, but when they're hit by something from another "ghost" source they show that are actually pretty frail

Steel is a processed material that isn't found naturally, and so it is anathema to fairy which represents the natural world

Plants absorb water and prevent it from eroding the ground

Dirt puts out fire

Ice melts in water

You can justify almost anything if you try hard enough, but these aren't THAT crazy

>>28145452
>water becomes ice when its cold
that's exactly why it should be weak to ice, because it's no longer a useful tool for a water type that uses liquids and not solids?

>>28143290
I don't get that at all but in general poison's interactions don't make a lot of sense. Realistically it'd probably be SE against water, normal, fighting, and psychic. And ice resisting it would make sense since cold slows bloodflow which would affect the efficiency of poisons.

>>28140429
>Bug resists Fighting
Did you ever try to punch a fly?

>Ghost is weak to Dark
Ah you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!

>Ghost is weak to Ghost
Incorporeal shit hits incorporeal shit

>Steel resists Ice
Ice = coldness. Steel is unaffected by coldness, since it can't freeze - it's already solid

>Fairy is weak to Steel
Cold iron beats the fantasy.

>Water is weak to Grass
Weeds suck water dry.

>Fire is weak to Ground
One effective way to beat a fire out is dumping some dirt in it.

>Water resists Ice
Water is a good heat sink.

>>28145677
>ice melts in water
literally incorrect science.

ice doesn't melt in water, ice melts in temperatures above 0 degrees Celsius. Water however can freeze due to cold temperatures, water does not heat things up on its own or anything. I have no idea where you got your information from but it's wrong.

Like yes water is going to be a warmer temperature, but I can assure you ice types are by far cold enough to take that on if they can freeze almost anything instantly. The only reason it's beaten by fire is due to the ridiculously high potential of how hot things can get through various ways. Absolute zero is nothing compared to absolute hot, for example.

>>28144747
Water being SE against steel would make sense. It rusts it. And I'm surprised electric doesn't interact with it in any way whatsoever.

>>28145677
>>28145831
You're talking about ice as if it was physical ice, instead of the abstraction over lack of heat.

>confusing offense and defense ITT
Water as an offensive type is pure water, but water pokémon aren't water elementals. Same goes for flying types. For fuck's sake.

>>28145836
the part about water is entirely accurate, but when it comes to electricity it's hard to say if conducting and displacing, plus also grounding it is a weakness or a strength. It's a lightning pillar so no aiming would be needed, however it that is listed as a good thing in chemistry.

I think it's fine that it' 1x, it sorts out both matters.

>>28145777
>Did you ever try to punch a fly?
Why do people keep bringing this up? This implies Bug Pokemon are quick so they should be able to dodge every move but it doesn't work like that in the games since most attacks are 100% accurate.
>inb4 hard carapace
There is no reason why Accelgor gets to tank a fucking Hammer Arm.

>>28145846
Uh, no.
I was talking about the abstraction of heat - reread what I had wrote.

>>28145895
I'd say that steel would probably win in that match up, for much same reason ground does, it grounds electricity. You're right though it is a bit complicated. Probably better it's just 1x.

>>28145878
can't be true, if it was pure water it wouldn't conduct electricity. Yes, that's right - pure water doesn't conduct electricity.

>>28145959
>missing the point this much

>>28146009
>not ever seeing pokemon use the opponents water as a conductor in the anime.

I didn't miss your point, water pokemon should be able to use that defensively too if they can pump out so much "pure water".

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>>28145831
Where did you get the idea that i was talking about science or that pokemon type interactions are based on science?

>>28145650
If diamonds are rock type then why doesn't rock resist everything?

>>28145925
Bugs are small and lots of them fly.

>>28145938
Sorry then.

>>28146045
So what are you trying to tell me, that water pokemon can surround themselves with so much water that it turns a weakness to temperature change into a resistance? If that was the case they'd be invincible to pretty much everything, especially fighting/normal

>>28146125
not all rocks are diamonds

>>28146103
You are in a fucking thread discussing why and how the resistances of each type were deduced. You're the one who brang in "pure water" which can literally only translate to being a volume of water only containing H2O. Unless water is now not water or something? Because I don't think you had any idea what "pure water" meant until now. You're the one who said it with absolutely nothing to back it up like you were "right", so please explain how water type pokemon are only offensive "pure water" and how that changes anything.

>>28146162
What the fuck are you talking about, i never even mentioned water types, there is more than one person in this thread.

>>28146162
Guy who you're obsessed with apparently here, I said "pure water" to make the distinction with fish, and yes everyone knows about H2o they teach that shit in grade school in my country, but I bet you feel proud you just learnt that 3 months ago.

>>28146133
From what I recall Vaporeon was able to transform its body into water entirely. It's pretty easy to coat yourself with water, we've seen pokemon do some crazy shit so why can't they have a pure water coat ability.

And just so you are aware, pure water heats and freezes faster than impure water. I'm saying that water types HAVE a limit to how much water they contain, and you don't need very much "pure water" to become an electrical resistor. In all honesty fire and steel types should be thee strongest types defensively and offensively.

I have no idea where you're getting this "surround themselves" heat protection thing. I never said that.

>fairy resists bug
>ghost resists bug
>fighting resists bug

Since fairy, ghost, or fighting aren't real elements that exist in real life, they could have made bug damage those however they felt like for game balance. But they decided to fuck bug over.

I get that steel/fire/flying would resist bug, but if gamefreak wanted to buff bug, they could let it do however much damage they wanted to those first three types

>>28140429
Have you ever tried to swat a fly?

Fairy tale creatures are usually brought to an end by the sword

I mean the only one that doesn't make sense is the ghost/dark thing

>>28146270
Fairy is the meta type, so they made it resist bug just because U-turn spam is a thing.

>>28146289
>Have you ever tried to swat a fly?
YES AND THEY'RE HARD TO HIT BUT WHEN I DO HIT THEM THEY DIE SINCE THEY'RE SO FRAIL
At least make Fighting hit Neutral on them. I'm starting to believe the theory that Bug-type and Fighting-type are hero bros so that's why they resist each other.

>>28146243
I'm just saying that the more water you have in your body, the weaker you are to heat/cold. But I apologise for getting angry over this, I think I just need some sleep
See: real life

>>28146294
I thought Fairy resist bugs because they're accepting of nature all things big and ugly, they see the beauty in them and coexist. Of course the U-turn spam makes a little sense, I think there was more thought to it than that. Same thing goes with the suppresion of Draconic stuff, Dragons are slaves to fairies. I mean just look at Maleficent, she was a fairy, turned into a Dragon/turned other creatures into them AND was burned by iron.

>>28140429
>bug resists fighting
Insects are so much stronger for their size compared to people.
>Ghost is weak to Dark
Ghosts are dependent on the dark and so it's above them.
>Steel resists ice.
Why wouldn't it? Icicle vs steel box compared to ice pick vs block of ice.
>Fairy is weak to steel.
Knights, probably would've worked for dragon too.
>Water is weak to grass.
Grass absorbs water.
>Fire is weak to Ground.
Kicking dirt onto campfires to put them out.
>Water resists ice.
Ice melts in water.

>>28143290
Bug and Fighting resist each other because in glorious Nippon they're the two de facto "good guy" types, because muh honor and muh beetles

And good guys shouldn't fight each other. It doesn't get anyone anywhere

>>28146370
I was writing something to explain a little more, but I decided I would just leave. HOWEVER I came back because I wanted to apologize, I was being a condescending cunt tbqh. I'm also incredibly tired, so sorry for sperging at you.

>Bug resists Fighting
Bugs are small, fast and zip around, it'd be hard to hit one.

>Ghost is weak to Dark
Dark type is Evil Type in Japan, spirits can become corrupted by darkness/evil.

>Ghost is weak to Ghost
Normal has no effect on ghosts because they can't touch a spirit, but a spirit can touch a spirit.

>Steel resists Ice
Throw ice at a steel beam and it would break.

>Fairy is weak to Steel
Lore wise, metal is hazardous to Fairies.

>Water is weak to Grass
Grass/Plants absorb water..

>Fire is weak to Ground
Throw sand/dirt on a fire and it will go out.

>Water resists Ice
put ice in a glass of water and the ice melts into water.

As for Dark being weak to Bug, either its because Japan has a lot of bug themed superheroes or they're basing the 'Dark' typing with night an how bugs come out at night and live in dark places?

>>28146437
Ice melts in water meme.
Depends on how cold that ice is anon.

I think they chose it because ice is made of water, but didn't think that ice should solidify water types and make their liquids useless. After all that's what Ice Beam has been used for in the anime since gen 1, literally freezing shit upon contact including the ocean at one point. I really only think Ice should beat water for that reason, plugging up their outlets and shit. Defensively, I see ice types as being in general frail and weak to hits. We all know that kicking your toe when its cold hurts way fucking more.

What I want is Psychic Super against Fairy. The mind knows its just a fairy tale.

>>28146915
*forgot to mention, I have not once seen water survive in liquid form in a cold environment like a feezer or simply outdoors in a cold winter.

You're thinking of only submerging an ice cube in water, instead of putting water into a cold environment. Think about things both ways. Plus water isn't the only thing that can freeze either, so it's safe to assume that ice types are just cold anything or heat absorbers. I mean... a lot of Ice pokemon aren't actually made of ice.

Poison really, really should be SE against water.

Makes so much sense and great for balance.

>>28140429
>Fairy is weak to steel

Industrialization killed fairy tales.

Its pottery

>>28140429
Flying being good against Fighting never really made sense to me.

Also if Flying is good vs Bug, it should also be good vs Water. Birds eat fish.

>>28148554

>Flying being good against Fighting never really made sense to me.

Flying types have the high ground.

>>28144125
>>The overwhelming majority of Will-o-wisp users aren't Fire.
this isn't necessarily true

>>28144641
In my country we have a saying "soft water on hard stone will hit it enough that it will pierce it". Meaning if you're persistent, even if you're apparently weaker, you will prevail.

>>28140672
Asshole-type

>>28145836
For the longest time I thought Electric was super effective against Steel. It just made sense to me.

>>28146406
I definetly feel Fairy should be weak to Bug, but cause "bugs would eat tiny bitty fairies", but because of the comparison with Dark. Dark is basically the Evil type in Japan and fairies, boy, they were known as being cruel creatures, making travelers disappear, casting spells, stealing babies. And some were demonic level of monsters like the Dullahan. So if they can be such evil creatures, why aren't they weak to Bug like Dark ?

>>28141712
>Fighting is weak to Fairy because cute things beat tough things
That is the best explanation they could come up with?

Does anyone else think the "try punching X" arguments for why something resists Fighting are kind of funny?
Try punching a block of steel, rock, or ice and tell me how well it works.

>>28140429
>Water resists Ice
Anon, water melts ice. It's not as fast as heat but it does.

>>28140580
What about a cockroach? Or a bee when it's flying?

I always thought bugs resisting fighting was basically a joke about strong men being scared of harmless little critters.

>>28140676
Bug being strong against dark probably has more to do with how bug infestations and pestilence are more likely to strike those who lead improper lifestyles.

The same mentality could be what inspired bug-themed power rangers, but claiming that "bugs are heroes" is the same kind of retarded speculation as those who said the Fighting type is called the Hero type in Japan.

>>28140429

>bug resists fighting

Prolly comes from the "proportional strength" that bugs have and also their exoskeleton

>ghost weak to dark and dark resisiting ghost

Ghosts main strength is their scariness. Dark Types win by playin dirty or not playing by the rules which is how you defeat ghosts in most stories. You find their weakness and exploit it

>Ghost is weak to Ghost

I guess mainly the fact that they can fully interact with each other as they exist in the same plane of reality as opposed to normals that can't touch them

>Steels resists Ice

Can't freeze steel

>fairy is weak to steel

Steel is always the weapon of choice in fairy tales

>Water is weak to grass

Plants absorb water

>fire is weak to ground

Earth puts out fire

>Water resists Ice

Ice melts in water, but on the other hand you could argue that ice freezes water which is why freeze dry exists.

>Fairies resist insects

Now this is bullshit

>>28148849

DELET THIS
I HATE YOU

>>28145959
It does conduct. Its just a bad conductor. A bad conductor is still better than no conductor.

Electric is super effective on water because you literally die if you drop an electric device in the bathtub
Are you guys retarded

>>28149573
Because fairies are probably going to be limited to the not as evil ones to keep the thematic distinction to dark?
Minus Mawile maybe, all of them have been benevolent or at least neutral to slightly mischievous in their disposition till now, but not outright cruel or evil. Even Mawile's entries speak of foes all the time instead of things like prey, so they they might only trick you if they perceive you as a threat. Futakuchi-onna it's apparently based on isn't really all that evil either, they're basically just rude gluttons.
I fell like an outright evil or demonic fairy would most likely just be typed as dark or a dual dark-fairy type anyway.

>>28141108
lil bitch

>>28148554

I would be okay with Flying being good against Water if Flying wasn't good against Grass.

>>28149672
Fairy tales always end with peace, being peace the opposite of fighting. Fairies end fights = Fairy defeat fighting

>>28148554
Planes defeat foot soldiers.

>>28148546
More like scissors beat paper.

>>28146949
I want Normal being SE against fairy becayse reality beats fiction.

Jet fuel can't melt steel beams

>>28140429
You try punching a bug. See what happens.

>>28140429
>fire is weak to water

>>28140429
>effectiveness

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>>28152574
Furthermore, fey are physical so can be hit by Fighting (unlike ghosts) but are magical in nature and so difficult to attack with physical force

>>28140494
>you can't freeze steel
Anon, I think you mean that jet fuel can't melt steel.

Hoenn confirmed!

>>28141142
>Plenty of mons change typing when they evolve.
fuck you no the only one that drops a typing on evolving is Bellossom dropping Poison.

>plants absorb water therefore grass resists water

By this logic Flying and Normal should resist water too, all animals drink water (including birds)

>>28155446
Surskit.

>>28141108
Fucking retard.