WTF happened to Blaziken?

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>>28134795
What happened was that blaziken got put through a bunch of jpg artifacts. Here you go.

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>>28134795
it was their first time modeling and their first time on the 3ds, cut them some slack. arceus fuck.

>>28134795
Nothing the models are not bad they are stiff, the lack proper animation. Look how good archeops looks. Typlosion is only so bad because there is no flame animation. Flying types are bad because they don't flap their wings.
It's not the 3D.

>>28134795
Yeah, some models really sucks, i hope they fix them for the next games... but i doubt it

>>28134835
>Flying types are bad because they don't flap their wings
When will this meme end?

>>28134795
It's mostly the face, beak and all doesnt look sharp

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I don't see the problem.

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Lugia model is a shit too

>>28134915
It looks exactly like its artwork and sprite. What the fuck is shit about it?

>>28134915
>Looks exactly like it should
>Flaps its wings like you complain about other flying types not doing
>It's shit

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>>28134902
Too slender and tall compared to older sprites, don't you think?

>>28134915
>Calls it shit
>Doesn't give a proper explanation why
I think it looks pretty good.

>>28134955
Exactly the same proportions.

>>28134818
>It was their first time modeling
>arceus fuck
Le hook fish.png

>>28134915
What's wrong with it, it looks fine.

>>28134861
When they fix Tropius and Xatu, the latter of which shouldn't be flying to begin with.

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>>28134915
>>28134951
Compare that to this omg
3D model is a fat outstretched guy

>>28134795
looks the same shit, flying models are bad but dont see the difference here

The issue is you have people scrambling to create 700 some Pokemon in a series where they've always done sprites and never done proper 3D.

Of course they're gonna be shoddy.

>>28134992
>I don't like the animations of two Pokemon, so I'm going to lie about the 50 other flying types who flap their wings!

>>28134998
It looks exactly the same.

>>28135009
>flying models are bad
Fuck off.

>>28134998
So just like Lugia? I love Lugia, but he's always had a beer gut and been outstretched.

>>28134955
Wth are you talking about, those proportions are pretty much identical.
The old sprite looks broader because his hair/wing things are closer to his back.

>>28134998
Literally the same

>>28134961
>>28134973
>>28135009
>>Too slender and tall compared to older sprites

>>28134998
if anything the "hands/wings" should be bigger from the elbow onwards
lugia was always a fat fuck
still better than rainbow chicken

>first time modeling

Stadium 1 & 2 is still a thing though

>>28135034
it looks slender to you because of that "hair" that made him look more "whole/fat" on the 2d sprite

>>28135034
It's. The. Exact. Same. Proportions.

You're confusing how Blaziken poses in older sprites with its height.
Every sprite before Gen 6 had it bending its knees. The model is standing mostly upright.

>>28135030
Perhaps that is the reason... then I want it like old times.

>>28134835
the s/m pokemon animations look more promising though

>>28135043
Staiumd 1 & 2 were also on the N64 with different architecture and not made by GameFreak.

>>28135024
When we say flying models are bad we don't mean every fucking flying type nor every model.
We refer to the animations chosen for certain pokemon just because the take part in sky battles, like Xatu.

>cherry picks concept art for gen 3 vs the most artifacted still image taken from ingame

>>28135079
>like Xatu
Does no one understand what Xatu is? Its animation is like that for a reason.

>>28135072
Have we seen even a single different animation?

>>28134795
>ingame model right
>official design left

the sad thing is i see threads like this everyday vp is honestly retarded

>>28135098
Because sky battles.
Can't just stand on air now, can it

>>28135098
And yet it looks shitty. Pokemon Stadium 2 had it so much cooler, and it still flew like that.

>>28134861
When they fix it.

>>28135098
Xatu might get a pass by that logic, but explain shit like Tropius.

How the fuck a fat dinosaur banana tree is capable of gliding with palm leaves.

>>28134795
>takes 3rd gen concept art and compares it to 6th gen in game sprite
irrelevant post, shit post, gtfo

>>28134998
Lugia has always been a chubber.

>>28135123
Its the fanbase in general not just /vp/. It seems like they forgot what just sitting around enjoying Pokemon was like when they were kids. Apparently being adults has made them autistic as fuck on like Steve Urkel/Revenge of the Nerd levels where they analyze IVs, EVs, Natures, models, designs, etc. while pushing up their gay ass poindexter rubber-band glasses while doing some gay ass smirk like they just won an presidential debate.

>>28135138
doduo

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>>28135138
It's a psychic totem bird. Does it really bother you that much that it can glide around using its psychic ability?

Next you're going to complain about Salamance without realizing it's based on Devilman.

>>28135157
There's no explanation for Tropius, but Tropius's concept in general is kind of dumb.

>>28135157
The same way Magcargo doesn't ignite the entire planet and surrounding planets or Mewtwo the clone of Mew comes before him in the Pokedex or despite studying his entire life Prof. Oak doesn't even have the 3 Pokemon at his lab in the Pokedex, none of Agatha's Pokemon his friend and likely rival, and it took them years to figure out Steel/Dark, Eggs, etc.

Pokemon is a children's game, stop taking it so seriously.

>>28135186
>There's no explanation for Tropius, but Tropius's concept in general is kind of dumb.
>I can't explain away this one, so its dumb
>Not liking based bananasaurus

>>28135207
Tropius in no way looks like it should be able to fly, but it can regardless.
That's what I meant by "dumb," Anon.

90% of the models are perfect. Some transitioned a little wonky but most look fine.

The real problem lies in the idle animations. They have to be really neutral so they can easily lead into the attack animations. If they were as complex as they needed to be to look good the 3DS would explode.

>>28135254
Ferroseed's model and animations are great. Really glad they dropped the "spins like a top" thing.

>>28135254
Suddenly I want to see a Ferroseed infiltrating an Exeggcute.

>>28135274
lol rapid spin

>>28135304
Ferroseed doesn't even learn Rapid Spin.

>>28135290
>Lt. Surge is in Unova battling it out
>Alola gets bombed by Kanto on December 7th
>Lt. Surge ventures out there with Raichu and a horde of Electrode and Ferroseeds
>A few Kanto natives survived the Kamikazes and have been waiting in the jungles
>Lt. Surge arrives and replaces Exeggcute's eggs with electrode and ferroseeds
>Kanto soldiers take a rest below the long Alola Exeggcute for shade
>it bends its neck down
>Explosion

>>28135138
That's literally how Xatu flies you idiot. Even the Creatures Inc model would fly without flapping it's wings.

>>28135453
It's pretty flappy in stadium and that shit came out 15 years ago

Sky battles were a mistake.

>>28135503
Except it isn't.

>>28135503
https://youtu.be/NH10ZUG7gOA?t=623
Not really.

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>/vp/ is unironically defending shit like this

>>28135098
I agree Xatu and Salamance are good, rest flying pokemon should be in air waving wings.

>>28135570
They need to differentiate it from the other regional birds based off of swallows.

>>28135570
You know what is funny? It has waving wing animation - as iddle. Maybe they acidentaly swapped them and as always never touched it again?

>Before
One of the worst designs in the franchise
>After
Still one of the worst design in the franchise

What's your point?

>>28135098
It's not the model. In sky battles it works the problem is that it uses that model in ground battles as well. I don't see how it can glide 3 feet off the ground


The pokemon that are meant to be flying always are great, like zubat and norbat. But pokemon that are usually on the ground and flying is secondary look terrible most of the time

>>28135727
>I don't see how it can glide 3 feet off the ground
See >>28135551 and >>28135186

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The fact that tropius' back wings aren't flapping is what irks me. Why? Why are they not flapping?

Salamence's flying animation looks like he's sitting there. Just moved him a few feet onto the ground.

It's the ones that are gliding that bother me. It works in sky battles, but at least make them flap on the ground so they look like they're not levitating

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>>28134795
crack idk

>>28135764
I mean most flying models. I get zatu's and I don't have a problem with the ones flapping. It's the ones levitating off the ground that aren't really supposed to do that, like skarmory.

And it's JUST the idle animation. All the attack animations are good, just the idle gliding needs to be fixed.


Add a grounded model, or change the current gliding for flapping that would keep them in the air. That's for the ones who shouldn't be gliding.

Blaziken was never cool. A bottom 5 starter final evolution.

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>>28135937
*xatu

>>28134915
Its legs just dangling there makes it look kinda dumb

>>28134930
>>28134915
90% of /vp/ dont know the difference between model and animation

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>>28134915
the model isn't shit, it's just the way it flies that's retarded. adjusting the position could fix it easily

>>28135183
You can't use doduo in a sky battle, retard.

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>>28134795
>not comparing the 3d models wirh Colosseum XD, and BR models

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>>28135103
No, but all the new Pokemon have pretty good and unique animation, they all have their personality

>>28136075
I disagree. This sprite works because it leaves things up to the imagination. But in 3D space, where we are more aware, a Pokemon that looks like it is flying 80mph would look strange staying stationary with that animation.

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>>28137231
>this is what anon actually believes

The only problem is the shitty screen resolution of the 3DS.

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>>28134795
yet cool for me

Blaziken's design has always been retarded.

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defend this

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>>28134795
A lot of the 3D models are too spindly

Blastoise's cannons look pathetic, for example

It's really noticeable here with Excadrill too

>>28139781
Same proportions, less flattering camera angles

>>28139781
Oh, you have the reason!

>>28139781
They deliberately made Blastoise's cannons more skinny so that Mega Blastoise's cannons would look comparatively larger.

>>28134955
This is literally worse than the new model. You're a fucking autistic retard.

>>28139991
holy fuck they did

>>28139536
Oh shit nigga

>>28135186
I never realized that's amazing

>>28134795
I just realised Blaziken just tip toes on to of its claws

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>>28134795
>comparing official art to sprites

>>28139536
Typhlosion has always looked like shit though.

>>28139536
Did you really think Typhlosion and its prevos went around shooting fire out of their neck constantly?

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My favorite legendary got fucked hard in 3D. His legs and feet are humongous now. Did a foot fetishist model him?

>>28140375
this one is better though because he's confident as fuck.

>>28135098
Xatu is a psychic totem bird.

It could have been upright while floating in place and it would both make sense and look better, not to mention still be sky battle compatible.

>>28140452
looks like a low angle compared to the sprite

>>28134835
>Typlosion is only so bad because there is no flame animation.
But that's how it's supposed to be

ITT: Wah Wah

>>28134795
Blaziken always looked bad lmoa

Only Harukafags like Blaziken

sage

>>28140452
The wing angle is also a bit jacked, and the tusks aren't as pronounced. The thumb claw is easily miss-able in the model, and the gap between the pauldron and the torso triggers me. The head fin looks more like a pompadour in the model, but that might actually be a perk. The pearl is too subdued.
Fortunately, it's mostly the details that are jacked up in Palkia's model. As a whole it isn't awful, though it is definitely on the second half of quality.

>>28134795
What do you mean? It's just the same shitty design but modeled in 3D

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>>28140452
But anon, Palkia has big feet in the official art as well

>>28140732
Dude, especially in the artwork is Palkia nowhere near as bottom heavy as his XY model.
Maybe it's not the feet, so much as how tiny his neck and wings are.

>>28140732
The (calves?) part connecting the feet to its knees are noticeably smaller in the art than the model.

Not to mention that the wings extend past the tail in the art but don't in the model.

>>28140449
>>28140587
Almost any other time you see it in battle it has the flames on it's neck.
>Pokemon Chronicles
>Short opening animations during previous games.
>Typhlosion sprite when checking your party.
>Typhlosion character in HGSS always has it while it follows the player

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Eelektross is the one that pisses me off the most. I want my dancing bro back.

>b-but it has levitate!
So does Gengar. Yet they didn't feel the need to make Gengar hover awkwardly in place.

>>28140452
I can tell you're retarded because not only do you like this dick-shaped pokemon, but it's also you're favorite.

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>blaziken using flamethrower on gen 6
>has an actual animation for the move, like opening its mouth and actually throwing flames plus the recoil received by the opposing pokemon
>gen 3-5 blaziken using flamethrower
>lol just fire photoshopped without any actual animation coming from the pokemon, maybe the spirte shaking a bit, no reactons or anything, literally pic related
maaaaaaaaaan, 3d models really ruined pokemon am i rite?

>>28142889
>awkwardly
are you describing his shitty gen 5 sprite here?

the gen 6 model is literally perfect

>>28140452
Literally just my moms penis.

>>28143066
>the gen 6 model is literally perfect

no. Eelektross should be standing.

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I prefer Druddigon 2D tbqh

>>28143099
nigger what?

>>28143099
Some appalling taste there m8.

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>>28143066
You serious? Even in the official artwork Eelektross is stating, it looks much better that way.

>>28143225
It's too top-heavy, it looks like it's going to fall over.

>>28143265
better than its noodle arms flopping around its body doing nothing.

>>28142995
>He doesnt like to use his imagination.

>>28142143
The flames can be turned on and off, and even in chronicles there is a scene where it isn't on fucking fire.

It's literally a part of it's design. Sprites are designed initially to look dynamic, with models you can have neutral positions then a dynamic pose while idling.

>>28134915
Bring up the legs a bit and broaden the wings a bit in relation to the body - otherwise, not awful

>>28134955
Less a matter of proportion (as others have stated, they're more or less the same) as opposed to posture. Here he's leaning forward, elbows and knees are bent... more dynamism overall.

>>28143412
>Just use your imagination! They don't need to do any actual work if it doesn't line up with how it is in my head!

>>28142889
No one gets that the whole reason Eelektross was hopping on one foot was to TRICK people into using ground moves against it.

>>28143478
Exactly, you dont even need a catridge or a ds to play pokemon, just use your imagination faggot