These Motherfuckers

>>28134161
>Torkoal
>Needing an evolution
A mega maybe but I don't think Torkoal really needs an evo

>>28134161
"Its just a placeholder"

Yea, OK

We have a lot of turtles, brother.

>>28134161
>implying tortoises are turtles

>>28134161
But eviolite Torkoal.

>>28134216
Squirtle, Wartortle, Blastoise, Mega Blastoise, Lapras, Golem, Shuckle, Turtwig, Grotle, Torterra, Torkoal, Tirtuga, Carracosta and Turtonator aren't too many.

>>28134270
I guess Lapras definitely has a sea turtle look goin' on but Golem is a stretch there buddy.

>>28134270
>Implying Shellfish are turtles

This "every single base Pokemon needs an evolution" meme needs to end seriously.
Just buff Torkoal and give it a unique ability

>>28134161
Why are you trying to shit on a good new design by comparing it to a totally unrelated pokemon?
Stick this thread up your ass op

>>28134161
It’s a Kappa, you cunt

>>28134328
ok here's a unique ability for torkoal, the ability is called learn recover. Torkoal is now into relevance. in like RU or something but still that's a big step up for the nigga.

>>28134270
Lapras and Golem arent turtles.

>>28134179
Hate this meme. They're BASED on fucking ANIMALS most of the time.

>>28134179
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people on this board can't understand that Pokemon =/= animals/real life shit.

Stop comparing you faggots.

>>28134386
Cut off Lapras's head. (Don't actually.) It's a turtle.

>>28134198
How dare you!!!! Our bro, our Lord and savior, Torkoal NEEDS 2 evos! It should be the middle, have a baby prevo, and an epic evo with 600 bst.

>>28134270
Shuckle isn't a fucking turtle. Neither are Lapras and Golem.

>>28134247
Don't even fucking start. Stick with your bird meme.

>>28134433
Prevo=/=evo
I could see Torkoal having a prevo. But I can also see Turtonator having a prevo and I think we know which of the two is getting one.

>>28134270
>Lapras
Nessy. Literally the Loch Ness monster.
>Shuckle
It's fucking mold. It's not a turtle. We.
>Golem
Literally a fucking boulder.
>Mega
Kek, doesn't count. Technically still Blastoise.

10. 6 are starters, and 2 are fossils. The other 2 are fire. What if you want a decent electric Tortoise with shell smash and rapid spin along with volt switch?

>>28134460
Doesn't mean I can't hope for both.. Baby geyser tortoise mon and a baby grenade turtle would be cute

>>28134273
Stop. This is bait. Please ignore baiting.

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>>28134179
>>28134418

>>28134460
Lol, Torkoal is getting Em both mate. Just watch.

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>>28134179
>>28134287

>>28134513
>What if you want a decent electric Tortoise with shell smash and rapid spin along with volt switch?
Pokemon isn't about what YOU want shithead.

>>28134287
Richard, fuck off. No one wants you here.

>>28134568
...Yeah, sure pal

>>28134418
Samefagging, much ? Seriously, were you dropped ?

>>28134513
This.
>>28134460
Not this.
>>28134433
Definitely this.
>>28134603
Wow, not him, but you didn't listen, shithead. What if (You) want One? As in, the general population. Not, what if I want One? And yes, it is, because WE are the fan base, at least on some level, and we can want all we want. How stupid can you get?! Stupid cuck.

>>28134633
Maybe he'll get an Alola form too.

>>28134198

Nah, Torkoal is one of those Pokemon that seems like it could still evolve. Some single-stagers already feel pretty "complete" as a concept (druddigon, tropius), while others clearly have room for further development (torkoal, qwilfish).

>>28134270
Masuda said it himself he likes turtles and crabs.
We will get them until he steps down. It's his thing.
Same thing with Tajiri he liked insects and frogs.
He likes them, he is in charge, he knows that he has to make them different which is all that matters.

>>28134198
470 bst when half of it is invested in the wrong defensive stats compared to your type isn't really that good.

>>28134736
Torkoal feels complete to me, apart from 'it just gets bigger' and I don't see what you can add
his stats are a decent 470, not amazing but not shit enough to warrant an evolution

Qwilfish I can agree with, he's so redundant currently and he's just a pufferfish with nothing else going on really

>>28134161
>"We have enough birds!"
>"We have enough cats!"
>"We have enough lizards!"
>"We have enough fish!"

>>28134415
They're based off of animals, plants, objects, and concepts.

A Pokemon is a monster that can have a basis on just about anything as long as it creates a concept. 'Animals' are just one part they take inspiration from.

>>28134386
Lapras is a plesiosaur, you dingus.

>>28134920
>decent 470,
this is pure shit. its spread in a way it can't fit in neither attack nor defense.

>Gen IV gives shitloads of evolutions
>Game Freak pls stop they all look stupid why are you ruining old pokemon

>Gen VI does megas
>What the fuck Game Freak you broke the game, also these designs are shit

>Gen VII
>Game Freak why are you not doing evolution for ____? Fucking cunts

You arr don't know what you want.

>>28134179
>>28134418
>>28134273

Kill yourself.

>>28135220
I liked Gen IV's cross-gens. Not all of them were good but a lot were. /vp/ isn't one person.

>>28134549

Actual retard.

>>28135220
>these aren't different groups of people

>>28134292
Golem is a tortoise.
>>28134386
Lapras is a long neck sea turtle.
>>28134438
Shuckle is worm-turtle chimera. >>28134513

>>28134161

Cross gen evolutions outside of eevee are NEVER EVER EVER coming back, get it through your fucking heads.

People complained about gen 4's cross gen dex, gen 5 brought eviolite which could be troublesome, gen 6 brought megas which serves as a psuedo cross gen evolution, and gen 7 is bringing alola forms to redo shit pokemon.

>>28135275
Good that you admit.

>>28135167
not all pokemon are minmaxed gods

>>28135332
Not all Pokemon are worthless.

>>28134920

>Torkoal feels complete to me, apart from 'it just gets bigger' and I don't see what you can add

They could stand to expand on the furnace concept a bit more. It's basically a little armored steam engine, there's plenty you could do with that (and it'd probably wind up looking a fair bit less awful than Volcanion).

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>>28134161
>instead of giving it an evolution, like it deserves, they gave us THIS
Wouldn't be the first time it's happened.

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>>28135312
>redo shit pokemon

While also changing their designs and typing. Alolan Raichu is alright but even if it's better competitively it can't replace OG Raichu's design.

>>28134920
>his stats are a decent 470, not amazing but not shit enough to warrant an evolution
Isn't Scyther at 500?

Torkoal looks perfect already.
You can buff a pokémon without giving it an evolution or a mega.

>>28137098
Gen 4 also gave evos to pokemon with good bst like porygon2, magmar, electabuzz etc

>>28137098
Scyther is weird just because it has the exact same BST as its evolution. It's not a normal evolution.

>>28134161
Gamefreaks policy
>Do you like this PU-shitmon?
>Yes?
>Then have this new pokemon that completely outclasses it.
>And these new Greninja Z-synchro moon and sun forms...

>>28134161
hoiglaboifle

>>28134270
>Shuckle

>>28137574
fplorpbgen shub

>>28135312

This. And I prefer that. If a Pokemon is shit fix the Pokemom itself and don't tack some ugly ass evolution on it.
Really the only mons that should get evolutions are ugly ass mons that nobody likes anyway. Like Luvdisc or Stantler.

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>>28134433
>epic

>>28135220
>pls stop they all look stupid why are you ruining old pokemon
the only people complaining are the Rhydon fags like if the grey dinosaur with mammal ears it's a better evo

>What the fuck Game Freak you broke the game, also these designs are shit

legit complain most megas increased the powercreep and look like shit

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>>28137098

BST only helps so much. At the end of the day, where that BST is distributed, typing, ability, and movepools win out.

Pic related, a 531 BST shitmon.

>>28137766

Underage b& pls go

I know a lot of people who dropped Pokemon for Gen IV and came back for Gen VI for their Megas.

Crossgen Evos are ugly as fuck and make your original bro irrelevant. Magmotar and Rhyperior are just the top of the Iceberg

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>>28138229

Let's take a look at all the crossgen evolutions we've ever gotten:

>Crobat
>Bellossom
>Politoed
>Slowking
>Steelix
>Scizor
>Arguably Hitmontop
>Blissey
>Kingdra
>Assorted Eeveelutions
>Magnezone
>Lickilicky
>Rhyperior
>Tangrowth
>Electivire
>Magmortar
>Porygon2 => Porygon-Z
>Togekiss
>Ambipom
>Yanmega
>Honchkrow
>Mismagius
>Gliscor
>Weavile
>Mamoswine
>Gallade
>Probopass
>Roserade
>Dusknoir
>Froslass

Now clearly you feel differently, but I think there are enough standout Pokemon on this list that tossing out the idea of crossgen evolutions for Pokemon other than Eevee entirely because of a few stinkers is a stupid idea.

torkoal should get a water/fire alola form

>>28137862
Gogoat's viability is really closely tied with grassy terrain. Grassy terrain is ass right now, so Gogoat is ass.

I wouldn't be surprised if terrain moves got a boost next gen.

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>>28134438
>>28134513
>>28137574
shuckle very obviously has elements of a turtle
it is based off of multiple things like many other pokemon
please do not be mean

>>28138549
terrains should be permanent imo

Tapu Koko alone would have shut down the bullshit Dark Void Smeargle meta of VGC 2016

Cross-Gen evos and Megas can be some monkey paw shit, especially when different designers are involved.

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>>28138605
This

Even if not meant to represent a turtle its appearance and behavior is very obviously that of a turtle. Why they gave a mold a appearance of a turtle? Who knows, but they did.