STARTER RATING

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>>28116002

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>>28116002
Not the best trio but prob very high.
Hopefully they have good stats, abilities and movepools. Typings seem pretty nice already (except Rowlet and it's evolution but they're gonna be a sweepers most likely).

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>>28116002
>>28116091
>Rowlet
>good rating

>>28116002
Compared to other Gamefreak concept art, they don't fit.
The formatting is wrong in that they don't have any diagrams and not nearly enough notes. Think engineer's notebook sketches and the level of description that has to go into it.
The art is.. wrong. Look at all the simplistic work and lack of detail in Litten's hands and Rowlet's legs and feet.
Gamefreak doesn't use placeholder names like "Tiger3, Owl3, Seal3". All concept art has the name.
People are suggesting the reason Ash and Pikachu are there is because it's for the anime, however, if it was for the anime, the Pokemon would have to already be completed for the game and have a finalized name. Also, they used red in the concept art before(the first trailer)


I'm not saying they ARE definitely fake. They may even come from GF. But it is unlikely that these are real.

>>28116105
can't wait for yours

>>28116002
Shit can't you wait until they're actually confirmed and we get mids?

>>28116009
Try harder next time. Pity (You)

>>28116009
My exact rating for them

>>28116116
It doesn't matter if they are real or not, just rate them.

>>28116116

This is not a speculation thread, for the love of God.

>>28116141
You realize they were posting the template, right?

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>>28116002
All I know is that Litten is shit-tier. The rest is sort of ambiguous.

>>28116091
Same.

>>28116116
Holy shit I typed that exact argument a week ago. This is literally copy/pasted. I'm touched, anon.

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Wish I was dead

>>28116118
there you go
I just don't really like Rowlet
but the final evo is pretty nice

>>28116177
x2

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>>28116002
I'm on mobile

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I'm getting old because neither of these final evos are really doing it for me. Maybe Rowlett's.

>Siren/mermaid/maid/selkie at least gets points for shock value and unexpected evolution trade off

>Completely lose interest over it once I realize it's just a elegant mon disguising itself as a mermaid

Litten's non-interest is mostly because of me already being fed up by Fire starters, nothing against him, but damn, I already had my fire fighting share aplenty. Give him to someone else, just not me.

The owl looks okay. I'm hoping he's more of a cute dork who tries his best rather than a blatant "so cool for you owl" in the animu.

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>>28116230
fuck forgot pic

>>28116116

Mallow alone destroys this whole argument. Good bye.

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>>28116141
Go back to bed, Anon

>>28116161
>>28116177
>>28116212
>>28116226
>m-muh quadrupedal tiger

>>28116226
same.

>>28116212
Wow, this is exactly mine except I'd give Rowlet 5/5.

>>28116270
Yeah, it's specifically because the tiger is standing on two legs and not because it's just a generally shit design.

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I love their basic forms, but the evolutions could be better (especially the Litten)

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I am very salty.

>>28116285
half the arguments supporting why its design is shitty has to do with its posture

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>>28116270
Who doesn't want a quadrupled fire tiger?

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>>28116346
>quadrupled fire tiger
i know i want a quadrupled tiger

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>>28116002
I don't hate any of them, but I'm not pleased with the starter evos.

>>28116346
*quadrupedal

>>28116270
>m-muh bara furbait

>>28116161
>>28116177
>>28116226
>>28116246
>>28116311
I never cared for Litten and thus wasn't too bothered by its evo but now I feel bad for Litten fans.

>>28116346
Me. We have enough quadrupedal feline.
>Persian
>Raikou (which resembles the shit you posted)
>Entei
>Suicune
>Delcatty
>Luxray
>Purugly
>Pyroar
>Solgaleo

Meowth, Espurr and Meowstic are the only ones that are bipedal.

>>28116141
Idiot.

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>>28116177
Very much this desu

Captcha: 2640 Downs

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Not really a fan of the starters this time around.

>>28116411
I even forgot Liepard from there. Also, we already have a fire-type big cat that is quadrupedal.

>>28116468
Going to agree with this one instead of making a duplicate

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>>28116411
>>28116495
>7 fucking generations in a row of bipedal fire starters
>now 4 gens of a fighting/fighting related/fire starter
>20 years of this shit
>how do they dare wanting something different

>>28116468
pretty good taste right here

>>28116426
Wit and humor do not reside in slow minds.

>>28116212
this

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>>28116002
Guess I'm goong with the Owl but just barely.

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So it seems the big majority fucking hates the final evos.

What's with all the people sucking them off on /vp/ then.

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I'm not a huge fan of luchalibre but I absolutely adore rowlet/robinhoot

Honestly I probably would be happy with anything we get out of rowlet as long as they don't pull a chespin (thats if these ones are even fake which I don't think they are I just don't want to get my hopes up)

>>28116270
Nice damage control, some of us are sick of the awkward looking fire evolutions

>>28116586
w.... why would you do the crosses? fucking retard lol

nice opinion though.

>>28116531
Not knowing typhlosion and internals are just animals that happen to be able to stand on two legs at times,not bipedal.Dogs can stand on two legs for a while,doesnt make them bipedal.

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>>28116610
>awkward looking

>>28116598
Because /vp/ isn't one person, I'd say most of us hate luchalibre the most, so there will always be a vocal minority shouting praise at it

>>28116598
People seem to like the owl (the design is ok and we all wanted a grass bird) but feel extremely betrayed by the other two.

>>28116641
Hate to break it to ya pal, but it's awkward looking. I'd say it's at least better than Delphox, but that's nothing to be proud of

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They ruined Rowlet.

>>28116669
no. you said "evolutionS". Plural. How are all of them awkward again?

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>>28116669
>delphox
>bad
now fuck outta here

The only bad thing about delphox is it's shitty ass model/animations on gen 6

Rowlet: 3/5
Litten: 4/5
Popplio: 3/5
Robin Hoot: 5/5
Luchalitten: 2/5
Popplmaid: 3/5

>>28116531
>Typhlosion is facultative.
>We don't no the types yet. There is as much chance for it to be Dark as there is to be Fighting.
>It's a tiger. People have been crying for a tiger Pokemon for 20 years. They get one but complain about the starters being bipedal or quadrupedal.

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I won't be getting the games,but at least I can rate the starters.
A Ballio fag,but at least not in denial.

>>28116688
Plural as in the previous gens fire starters
>>28116715
Like this piece of shit
Delphox is garbage, the fur robe is the dumbest shit Ive ever seen in a fire starter, the wand is cool but the ear hair, robe, and retarded face ruin it

>>28116411
>most of those are lions
We need a quadrupled cat/tiger that isn't a Shitmon. We need more regular cats and tigers. Not lions

>>28116495
Entei isn't a cat

>>28116767
You don't have to say it twice to get (you)s.

>>28116789
*quadupedal

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>>28116748
Typhlosion hasn't been portrayed in 4 legs for at least 12ish years.
And even then it was rare.
>We don't no the types yet. There is as much chance for it to be Dark as there is to be Fighting.
It doesn't matters, it's literally a wrestler and we already had a fire starter bipedal wrestler with the emboar line.
The niche was done and filled, and even if it's dark it's LITERALLY a fighter branded as dark to add salt to the injury.

>It's a tiger. People have been crying for a tiger Pokemon for 20 years. They get one but complain about the starters being bipedal or quadrupedal.

Yes, a tiger.
A TIGER.
Here anon, a picture of a tiger.
Now look at litten3
Now back at the tiger.
Now spot the differences between the guy on a suit promoting the new york slashers or some shit and a fucking tiger.

>quadrupedal.
In all this shitfest since it leaked I've seen maybe about 2 or 3 posts not wanting it to be quadruped.

>>28116002
Rowlet - 3/5
Litten - 4/5
Popplio - 5/5

I'm not rating that garbage fanart on the right

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>>28116002

>>28116860
This

>>28116617
On my phone and filling it in looked even more sloppy

>>28116891
I bet your fursona is just a pile of salt

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i just want to die

>>28117104
Pls explain

>>28116258
Mallow doesn't prove that they're final, dipshit. Besides, can you not see how unprofessional the tiger and mermaid are?

>>28117238
They aren't. You might not like them but they are not unprofessional.

>>28116002
They're all 4/5. Compared to Gen 5/6 starters, these are good.

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>>28117182
Explain the starter ratings? Loved Rowlett immediately and grew to like Popplio. Litten was ok, never been a fan of fire starters.
I've picked the Water starter since day one in Red/Blue and have done so for the last 17 years that I've played Pokemon but I just hate Entermaid's design. Call me a sexist fuck or whatever but I just don't like feminine designs. Sue me.
Rowlett's Evo is okay I'll probably end up picking it. As long as Tiger Wrestler Fuck isn't Fighting I like it reasonably well. But I'm so disappointed with Popplio.

Explain the dying part? I just want to die always lol it's /vp/ who doesn't fucking wish for the sweet release of death

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r8 & h8

But mostly ignore :^(

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opinions

>>28117238
>Besides, can you not see how unprofessional the tiger and mermaid are?

What kind of retarded question is this?

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>>28116002
I'm picking Popplio, but Rowlett has the best evo.

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>people voting on leaks instead of waiting for the confirmed ones
stay delusional, leakfags

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>>28116346

>>28117333
>Trips wasted on a denialfag

>>28117238

Screencapped so I can laugh at you later.

On a scale from 'fake' to 'really 'fake'...

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>>28117352

>>28117352
give the final stage fangs and a volcano to its back and perfect

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>>28116254

>>28117333
Tips confirm!

>>28117352
>furfags attempt at logic

>>28116598
>majority

>>28116749
>Balliofag

Opinion instantly discarded.

Why all the hate for Poppmaid? Sure, it looks a bit too decidedly feminine, but it's exponentially better than Ballio.

>>28116891
>garbage fan art

nice meme.

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>>28116002
Taking both design and presumed typing into consideration.

As a set they aren't bad, probably right up there with gens 1 and 4. Rowlet and Robinhoot are strongest, Luchatigre is a cool design but I don't like the presumed Fire/Fighting combo AGAIN. If it's Dark it'll go up a point. And I'm not big on Popplio or its evolution. Just not my style.

I'm hoping they're setting up a situation where the starters second types are strong against their Kalos counterparts. Robinhoot and Chesnaught line up with Flying and Fighting. Luchatigre would line up if it was Dark type, beating Delphox. And if Popplio's evolution is Fairy type, which seems likely, it'll counter Greninja's Dark type.

>>28117352
Id rather have that

>>28117461
If Ballio didn't have the stupid feet I'd like him more. I like them both though. Calling my Popplio Ballio anyway.

>>28116804
>it's not muh clown

>>28117461
I just don't think it looks all that great. I'm also disappointed it became a waifumon rather than following through with the pretty obvious clown/circus performer thing Popplio has going on.

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>>28117486
>"stop hating what I like!"

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>>28116002
Why the fuck does everyone hate luchalitten, I love it.

>>28117551
>following through with the pretty obvious clown/circus performer thing Popplio has going on.

This meme again.

>>28117574
It's standing on 2 legs. We don't need another bipedal fire strater

>>28117559
You can hate it all you like but stop denying the obvious. They're real.

>>28117559

I don't care if you don't like them but implying they're fake at this stage is getting old now.

>>28117574
gee I dunno
>fire wrestler motif, already had emboar
>sausage fingers
>bipedal AGAIN
>fighting/wrestler motif AGAIN
>those fucking proportions on it's legs/chest/arm

>>28117598
Almost all the starters are bipedal, grow up.

>>28117574
Honestlt, if you look at it independently from other Fire starters, it's fantastic. But people don't want another bipedal, fighting (not necessarily type, but style) starter.

>>28117627
Emboar is a demon pig, not a wrestler.

>>28117661
It's a wrestler

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Popplio's evolution is more drastic than fucking Remoraid. Whoever designed pop3 fucking NAILED it.

>>28116301
I'm the opposite. Was extremely disappointed when the starters were revealed. Popplio is the first started in the entire series I have truly hated. But the leaked forms made me far more interested.

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>>28116002

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>>28116002
Oh boy are these disappointing...
Will generation 7 be the most disappointing generation?

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>>28117631
>"grow up because you don't lol bipedal starters lol"

>>28117352
>The number of legs is the sole foundation of creativity
>Quadruped means just gets bigger

Friendly reminder that:
>6/7 starters are entirely bipedal
>3/7 are fighting type or get mostly fighting type moves
>Panthera will obviously pack loads of Fighting moves, too
>Still no defensive fire starter
>Only 3 dual typings
>Charizard and Typhlosion are the only final evolutions that are based on a different animal that the base form

A Fire/Ground sabertooth with a volcano would:
>Be the only Quadruped
>Have a unique typing
>Have very little fighting learnset, instead getting the rarer rock and ground coverage
>Most likely be very physically defensive
>be a completely different animal than Litten, as sabertooth tigers weren't even felines.

It would objectively the most unique Fire starter to date.

>>28117616
Why? There is no evidence of them being real, aside from a character that kind of looks like a confirmed character being in the same picture. There are a lot of details that seem off with them.

I don't think they're necessarily fake, but thinking that theyre 100% confirmed is idiotic.

>>28117352
flawless, saved for future denialfag threads

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>>28117661
Pignite has a literal fucking wrestler singlet and a wrestler pose.
Emboar looks exactly like this one wrestler

It's fire FIGHTING

>>28117712
>Fire/Ground volcano themed Pokemon being unique
>both are felids yet completely different

>>28117713
The character is identical, they aren't kind of similar. On the other hand, there are no details that you can confirm are "off", you just don't like them.

>>28117713
She doesn't "kind of" look like Mallow, they're exactly the same down to the details.

Also, the Chinese leak that has been confirmed legit said the final evos would be an archer, siren, and wrestler. They're 100% real no matter how much they suck.

>>28117693
>disappointing
>gives most of them high scores
????

>>28117461
>it's exponentially better than Ballio.
Subjective.

>Why all the hate for Poppmaid? Sure, it looks a bit too decidedly feminine
I always choose the water starter and they are always female in my first time playing through a game (it's a tradition), so I don't care about the gender fitting the design at all. I just don't like popmaid, she looks too human, not only the overall body but also the details, like she is dressed (the tail, the bra) and wearing too many accessories and shit. I don't know, I just dislike her. I feel like Milotic did it first and better (from ugly duckling to beautiful and elegant).
I know I'm delusional but still, I'm hoping for split evos.

>>28117713
>aside from a character that kind of looks like a confirmed character being in the same picture

It's literally her, though. If it was somewhat similar I could understand having doubts but the only thing missing from the starter leak are the sex organs on her flower, which are likely just too small of a detail to include on that sketch.

Everything else matches up perfectly. The clothing we can see matches, her headband matches, her flower is in the exact same spot and has the same number of petals, her hair is EXACTLY the same, and she's even cooking in the sketch, which lines up with her character.

If you think that is anyone but Mallow then you're deluding yourself. It just makes you look ignorant.

>>28117712
>Charizard and Typhlosion are the only final evolutions that are based on a different animal that the base form

Totodile and Croconaw are crocodiles and Feraligatr is an alligator :^)

>>28117712
>Most likely be very physically defensive
I think it would be a speedy special attacker with nice defenseswith sheer force as a hidden ability. Earth power, power gem, flame thrower would hit like a truck

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>>28117735
Compared to Luchalitten they doesn't look like wrestlers at all, just strongman.

>>28117796
We're clearly discussing fire types.
Sceptile and Samurott, too.

>>28117759
Again, Starters.
Wrestling is already covered down to the belt with Machamp.
Even heel wrestling is covered by shiny Hawlucha's pallete. It even appeared in the anime already.

>>28117804
That would be nice, too.
Really reliant on design.

>>28117765
People assume I don't think they're legit because I don't like them. That's not true though. I like them very much so. Litten's isn't my favorite, but the design is still decent. The design of all of them do look very in-line with the style so-far.

But people have been fooled before, on several occasions, with extremely impressive fan-art. Fake Greninja is a great example. I just think skepticism is reasonable, considering past experiences.

>>28117461
The number of people who like Ballio makes me unfathomably relieved that no one from /vp/ will ever be in charge of designing Pokemon.

>>28117870
Samurott's entire line is otters.

>Even heel wrestling is covered by shiny Hawlucha's pallete

what a fucking stupid nitpicky argument.

Pretty glad with mate, litten could have been better but overall it washed the disappointment of gen6 out of me.

>>28117870
>heel wrestling is covered by shiny Hawlucha's pallete

That's fucking retarded. It requires way too much luck/effort to get a shiny Hawlucha, and it doesn't "fill the role" of a heel wrestler, it only looks like one. The anime doesn't mean shit. Luchatigre is implied to actually play the part of a heel wrestler. It's such an intrinsic part of the design that it actually shows up in the sketch.

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>>28118012
Forgot pic of course.

>>28117924
It isn't when it had a episode of its own where it was a rival to regular lucha.
It was even called DARK HAWLUCHA.
Episode 51

>>28118028
>>28118044

And Emboar.

>>28118044
Anime is not remotely relevant. And the part that was fucking stupid is that you think one shiny colour palette can hold a monopoly over an entire theme just because some bit character in the non canon animated adaption used it as such.

>>28117352
>Excusing shit design with this bad strawman
lol JUST

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>>28116002
rowlet + evo are okay, but I'm not a fan of birds
litten + evo are pretty boring and worse than average owl
popplio had potential to become a circus themed beast, but is now a mermaid. Fits popplio, but isn't my kind of mon

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cannot express my disappointment with popplio

>>28116002
Are these legit?

>>28116919
Hi me!

>>28117354
Better him than you

>>28117913
This. There's nothing good about its design.

>>28117787

I thought I was the only one. I mean, I'm all for feminine looking designs, I don't really mind them, heck, Meganium was arguably one of the first cutesy final evo starters that might pander to little girls and what not and he was a total bro despite his freaking adorable flower mane. And yet, my opinion doesn't fare off too much from yours actually.

I guess I just like my pokemon animalesque, although they're not forced to be realistically so. When I first saw Popplio, I was expecting him to... well, stay a sea lion. Popplio looked a bit bulky to me too, so I just assumed he'd grow big. His chest seemed bigger compared to the rest of his body.

I mean. Poppmaid is still technically a sea lion, but at the same time, it looks like it's trying its best not to look like one. If the selkie concept is true to this design, it just proves my point even more since the selkie is, essentially, a seal becoming a human. Poppmaid still resembles a sea lion somewhat, but at the same time, I assume it's trying to give us the idea of shedding its old self, which is unsettling, but might make more sense with the Fairy type.

And it has so many "accessories", it just doesn't bode well with me. If she looked a bit simpler in design, maybe, maybe I'd give her a chance, but it's so weird seeing a pokemon with so many elements that look unnatural to her. The veils legitimately give her a actual maid look, it's hard not to realize this.

But when you google shit like mermaid or selkie... Can you really see one with as many clothing details to them as Poppmaid does? The starfish here at least makes sense since mermaids do tend to happen to have them. You could argue the bubble tiara also making sense here. But the rest doesn't really mingle all that well with the mermaid/selkie concept.

>>28117412
>implying 4pedfags actually can provide a design that doesn't just get bigger or one that rips off of an already existing quadruped fire type

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>>28117712
>Fire/Ground sabertooth with a volcano would:
>>Be the only Quadruped
>>Have a unique typing
??????????????

>>28117787
>looks too human
>doesn't even have legs

>>28117913
This.

>>28119769
>s-starters only
>you... s-stupid

>>28117787
Judging from the recent starters, I can say that you're not going to like any of the starters this gen or any later gen.

GF is definitely feeding into the humanoid fetish the fans have.

>>28119833
Who fucking cares. It still isn't as original as you 4pedfags would claim it to be

>>28116715
Delphox is by far the worst starter final evo ever made. Fucking disgusting.

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>>28116002
I feel like the evos are supposed to be based on fictional figures.

Robin Hood is a fictional character from folklore, Tiger Mask is a fictional character from a manga, and sirens are mermaids from mythology.

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My taste is objectively the best in this thread.

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>rating fakemon
Anon's why? All your posts are just going to be saved and posted in a huge collage some autist is making once denialfags get disproven.

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DI's ftw

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>>28120644
>being a buttblasted Balliocuck

>>28120569

Simply epic.

>>28120668
Better than mermaid slut face

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>>28120690

lolno

>>28116346
>Embercub
>Saberlava
Jesus fucking Christ this is Talonflame level autismal naming are you fucking serious holy hell kill yourself

>>28120706
To each their own. I like Ballio, and would prefer him over slutmaid any day.

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>>28116002

>>28116586
USE
THE
FUCKING
REFILL
TOOL

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Nice starters

>>28117352
Retard. >>28116346 look much better than just shitty itjustgetsbigger.

But hell, even your cancer looks better than luchalitten.

>>28120644
I don't even like Luchalitten but compared to literally my mom's panther it's an improvement.

>>28116105
>tired of your shit
Says the frogposter

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I don't hate the tiger, in fact I don't hate almost any design, I just think it falls flat compared to some other designs.

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>>28116141
leave

>>28116468
It's like you're me, but you're not. The owl is the only semi-decent one.

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>>28116141
I kind of feel bad for you anon

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Hoping for a miracle t b h

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Helltigre is too fun of a design.

>>28116226
this

>>28116002
Rowlet 3/5
Litten 4/5
Poppo 2/5

Rowlet3 2/5
Litten3 1/5
Poppo3 0/5

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I don't feel strongly about Luchalitten either way.

>>28122285
> 57 voters with you
> Only 3,7/5 for Rowlet-archer
> Not yet in the podium with Chatizard and Greninja

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>>28116002

>>28117693
Disappointingly, Poppolio's 4/5 throughout his entire life.
Rowlett's evolution is disappointingly perfect.

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>>28116002
best taste

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This

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>>28116002
I forgot how terrible Popplio's official art is.

Also luchalitten is cancer.

>>28117352
And, suprisingly, it's still much better than Litten's actual evolution.

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>>28116002

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Mehhhhh

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Still waiting on the middle ones

>>28116002
Rowlett 3 , evo 3
Litten 2 , evo 4
Popplio 5 , evo 5

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>>28124360

>>28116468
Was going to make one, but this is pretty much it.

>>28124427
fake faggot

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>>28124427
Rowlet2 looks pretty awkward.

Everyone salty at Tiger mask doesnt know the joy of a Burning Hammer

>>28124427
>Litten 2 trying to hold in a dump
>Popp2 looking more like an eel than a seal
>rowlet2 'do you get the arrow theme yet!?'

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RootHoot would have gotten more points but I hate the way it shoots arrows, using the string from its hoodie and simply holding it out stretched.

The wrestler cat looks to fucking humanoid, like a guy wearing a furry costume.

Seal mermaid looks totally different from anything I would imagine Popplio to look like but it is still the best looking out of all three.

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The entire thread
>>28117835
including that

fakemon rating*

>>28126171
How are they fake?

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>>28116002

>>28121088
What refill tool?

>>28126197
The fucking evolutions.

>>28126424
Yes how are the evolutions fake?

>>28126424
>Denialfag detected.

I think the starters first stage are by far the worst starters of all time. But Litten is the best amongst them. And Popplio is the worst. I think Popplio mermaid is the best amongst the evolved stages. I'll probably pick Rowlet because I just hate Popplio so much that even his final stage can't make up for him for me.

>>28116105
Butthurt RootHoot fan detected

>>28116641
Tell me delphox isn't awkward and mean it. Not in a contrarian way, or in an asshole way.

Delphox is shit-tier awkward.

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>>28116002

Sorry cucks, but the Japanese market matters more than ugly stupid foreigners and when japs think of Tigers, they think of Tiger Mask the wrestlers. He's even getting a new anime.

Choke on it fags, you're not the people they care about when designing Pokemon.

>>28128407
>You should take into account the japanese market when judging if you like a design

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>>28116002

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>>28116002

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>>28116002
"we want the Snivy and Fennekin audience"
-gamefreak 2017

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green is 1, yellow is .5, white is 0

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All three are easily among my top 5 fully evolved starters, but Rowlet3 is still slightly below the others.