>102 base speed Why was this allowed?

Garchomp was designed from the ground up to be broken as fuck.

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>>28081226
>2016
>People still can't deal with Garchomp

How can you still not have adapted to countering it even when you've had so long? Fuck this is sad.

>>28081259
The same reason Gengar has been so prominent its entire life.

Because its quad weakness to ice balances it out. 102 speed ain't gonna do shit if your opponent can tank the hit and has an ice move.

>>28081211
Ice beam
>>28081283
Mold breaker/sucker punch/knock off

You niggas gotta git gud

>>28081211
For a jetplane landshark that isn't very fast. Buff when?

>>28081211
>faster than my 5iv jolteon
>high hp and atk
>spams extreemspeed
fuck that thing, literal mary sue

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>Protein Greninja
>shadow sneak
>ice beam

It doesn't get Dragon Dance, (yet,) OP, relax.


You know the Japanese name for Sand Rush is Sand Paddle? As in, the user swims through sand like it's water. Considering Garchomp's a landshark, it should've got it, but be glad that it did not.

>>28081211
So you can mess your audience with a 70 Speed 'Mon with Dragon Dance or 102 Speed 'Mon without

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>>28081211
Because GF got tired of making shitty pseudos, and they decided to make an amzing pokemon instead

>>28081794
>shitty
>dragonite
>salamence
>tyranitar
>metagross
(You)

>>28081211
>ITT: I dont know what ice shard is

>>28081682
>shadow sneak
What does shadow sneak do in this situation?
I can dig protean ice beam tho.

>>28081458
>implying it's that easy

sub-1100 shitter detected

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>>28081211
>>28081226
>Fast pokemon are normally fragile
>Bulky pokemon are normally slow
>Garchomp is has Swampert-teir bulk and outspeeds base 100s
Seriously fuck Garchomp's guts. Probably the cheapest non-legendary ever created. I can care less that its no longer an unstoppable threat, those stats are just unfair for non-legendary standards. What the hell were they thinking with this monstrosity?

>>28082098
>>28081794
This

>>28081835
Admitedly shitty is a bit rough considering those were the previous mons, I was stuck thinking of the awfullness hydreigon and goodra were.

Lets just say, they wanted a more specialized pseudo

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>>28081470
>faster than my 5iv jolteon
>spams extreemspeed

>>28081211
>almost all dex entries are about Garchomp flying at the speed of sound
>cannot learn fly

explain this pokebabs

>>28082181
It glides, like gliscor. It cant fly on its own and much less cary you long distances

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>>28082228
can't find an actual video on youtube but it cleary flies in the anime.

Also the dex clearly say that it flies

>>28082280
Well then, fuck I dont know. There goes my headcanon

>>28081211
Because GF felt like pushing furbait pokemon with decent stats to the extreme in gen 4, with shit like lucario, infernape, luxray and this.

Tyranitar > Garchomp > Metagross > Salamence = Dragonite > Hydreigon > shit > Goodra

>>28082375
>not tyranitar = garchomp
shit taste desu

>>28082114
>Hydreigon
>awful
(You)

>>28082375
you almost had it

Garchomp = Salamence > Hydreigon > Tyranitar = Metagross = Dragonite > Goodra

>>28082181
It's rough skin is too rough to ride on it

>>28082422
>liking hydreigon
It destroyed all hope of a good hydra pokemon that Zweilous had built up. Its the epitome of dissapointment.

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>>28082353
>Luxray
>decent stats

>>28082114
>Lets just say, they wanted a more specialized pseudo
So Garchomp is basically a Gen V mon stuck in Gen IV?

>>28082441
that's the best explanation I've read, thanks.

>>28082499
Yes

>>28082425
Non non
It's Metagross > Tyranitar > Hydreigon > Garchomp > Goodra = Salamence > Dragonite

You know, Terrakion has a similar stat distribution to Garchomp. It's just that Terrakion has like, 1000 weaknesses.

>>28082557
It also has a bad ablity and less usefull STABs. and shit-tier design

>>28082536
>metagross first
It's barely better than goodra
>Goodra not last
Your opinion is now discarted

>>28081211
Its a land shark jet dude.

What if Garchomp was Dragon/Water (because muh sharks) and had the same stats and moveset? Would it still be OP?

>>28082760
>Aqua Tail
>Only two weaknesses
It would be even more broken.

>>28082827
>loses Earthquake and an immunity

>>28081470
Is your missing iv in speed?

>>28082868
Anon, aqua tail has only 10 less BP, and having only two 2x weaknesses and no inmunities is better than 1 inmunity and 2 x and a 4x weakness.

Alolan garchomp when? a water/Dragon version just swapping its attack with its special attack

>>28082868
>loses a quad weakness

>>28082760
Even if its movepool didn't change Water/Dragon chomp would be an amazing mon. It keeps its good stats and has Surf/Aqua Tail.

>>28082915
Aqua tail is also 90 accuracy. It would run waterfall for sure.

>>28081211
Trick room.

>>28081259
I think the issue is that you need to run a counter to that specifically. It's not like Pokemon is balanced though, even without Garchomp.

>>28083021
>I think the issue is that you need to run a counter to that specifically
But you don't. Carrying flying types, levitating pokemon, pokemon with ice moves, the latis, or fairies can beat it. You don't need to focus on it, you can just put up a pokemon with good coverage and you can beat it

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>>28081211
Has 110 base speed

>>28081905
Sorry I fucked up that was for people saying gengar is too stronk

>>28082460
Hydreigon is great, fuck off you shitter

>>28081259
I know right?

More like GarCHUMP

*tips fedora
*upvotes

>>28081905
For lead Greninja using Spikes and wanting to troll Rapid Spin users, but ever since it got Gunk Shot you use that to KO common spinners anyway

>>28082827
I mean it would be harder to revenge kill seeing as Pokemon only ever run Ice coverage for Chompy alone, but being a Dragon/Water isn't smooth sailing either. Its amount of neutralities is utterly disgusting from a defensive standpoint

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>98 Speed
>92 HP
>every other stat is a nice multiple of 5
Did Gamefreak nerf this thing immediately after making it? Seems like its stats should have been 90/100/90/130/90/100, but they decided that would be too good and fucked it up.

>>28081466
Never, considering that the mega has 10 less speed

>>28084610
Even better

>102 Speed, putting it in Garchomp territory
>88 HP which is still fairly ok

Other than that, the inconsistent multiples trigger my inner math perfectionist

>>28084610
Yeah, it was kinda strange, since most Gen V pokemon were minmaxed as fuck.

>>28084610
Quite a few Pokemon have random stats like that, it bothers the hell out of me.

>>28081714
Cant wait until Garchomp learns Dragon Dance trough breeding in gen7

Screencap this

>>28084289
Is a legendary.

>>28082280
Do you mean Cynthia's Garchomp? Yeah that glided.

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Pokemon discussion thread?

Have a heracross and I'm not sure if I should give it close combat or seismic toss. Close combat deals more damage but lowers my defenses.

>>28085021
Who the fuck cares about defence, nigga? Just OHKO everything.

>>28082098
>Cheapest non-legendary
>When Mega-Salamence exists

Be glad it doesn't have dragon dance and roost.

>>28085021
Look on Smogon for general advice on Pokemon and sets. Seismic Toss is generally better used on defensive Pokemon since they can't hit hard.

>>28085087
Sort of an inversion, really. Gen VI regular Salamence isn't anything to sniff at, but terribly powerful in Mega forme. Garchomp plays a variety of roles in its normal forme, but its Mega forme somehow manages to be worse than it

>>28085141
Really, Garchomp's Mega Evolution is so unnecessary it's almost hilarious, especially with how hideous it looks.

Why GameFreak thought it would be a good idea to give Pseudos and Legendaries of all things Mega Evolutions is beyond me.

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>>28085183
Eh, a few of them are alright. Tyranitar's Mega is a simple upgrade that allows Dragon Dance to be a viable option, and pic related deserves the buff, if only because its regular forme's stats are so oddly distributed

>>28081211
Mach Pokemon, more like Apex Predator Pokemon

>>28084610
why didnt they make his sp atk the same as the typical pseudolegendary atk stat?

>>28085480
it's still high enough to kill shit for all intents and purposes, and it's only five points off from being Latios tier

>>28081211
I can BTFO it with Landorus with HP Ice and no investments on SP. Attack.

>>28081458
>pokemon have weaknesses
Well shit I guess all Pokemon are shit then

>mold breaker earthquake!

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Want some advice on my quagsire's moveset. My definite slots are scald, earthquake, and recover but I don't know about the fourth slot. Smogon suggests toxic but I was thinking ice beam or hidden power fire for grass coverage but I wonder if it's even worth as its 4x weak to it and slow as fuck meaning I probably won't be able to even use it. Thoughts?

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>>28085370
Apex predator that can chomp the booty in the land, air, and sea

>>28085842
toxic noob

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>>28085842

>earthquake
>not earth power

>>28081714

GF knows Garchomp is broken. That's why his mega is shit. They won't give it DD.

>>28085183
Tyranitar, Metagross, and Garchomp are all surprisingly fine despite being gifted another 100 base stats. I don't know who the genius was that balanced Mega Salamence though.
>Let's give it an ability that gives it a free LO boost while giving it a 120 BP STAB attack!

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>>28084857
no in the summer camp episode theres a rental garchomp that flies its trainer the entire race.

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>>28081211
Alolan Garchomp
Fairy/Ground

>>28086509
aerilate mades sense themacally

>>28085183
>Really, Garchomp's Mega Evolution is so unnecessary it's almost hilarious, especially with how hideous it looks.
It's really good in Shuffle.

>>28084844
Is not limited in Battle Spot
Is not banned in Maison
Is OU on Smogon

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>>28089407
I'd break my DS

>>28081211
I'm at around 1100 rating and run Froslass in my team as a suicide lead - not because it's good, but because I like that pokemon.

Anyway, she outspeads and OHKO's even a defensive Chomp with Icebeam. FeelsGoodMon.jpeg