Canonical protagonist starters

>Red, Blue, Leaf
Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur

>Ethan, Silver, Kris, Lyra
Cyndaquil, Totodile, Chikorita, Marill

>Brendan, May, Wally
Treecko, Torchic, Ralts

>Lucas, Barry, Dawn
Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup
fucking obvious

>Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, Bianca, Hilda/Hilbert
Oshawott, Snivy, Tepig, ?

>Nate, Hugh, Rosa
Tepig, Oshawott, Snivy

>Calem, Serena, Shauna, Tierno, Trevor
Chespin, Fennekin, Froakie, Corphish, Flabébé
>Kanto Calem
Charmander
OR
>Serena, Calem, Shauna, Tierno, Trevor
Fennekin, Froakie, Chespin, Corphish, Flabébé
>Kanto Serena
Squirtle

>Helios, Selene, Hau, Lili
Rowlet, Popplio, Litten, Squishy

>Blue's Eevee
Umbreon

>Michael's Eevee
Flareon

>>28012801
Nailed it exactly.

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>>28012463
>>28012801
>Brendan "Gets all the Bitches and Hoes" Birch
>not picking Mudkip

>>28012933
That's not Brendan Birch though
That's Norman's son, Brendan

>>28012463
Red is Pikachu.
No and/if/but.
It's literally Pikachu.

>not one vote giving Red Squirtle

why tho

>>28013414
oh come on

>>28012463
>>28012801

Red's canonical story is Yellow so his starter was Pikachu.

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>>28014903
[citation needed]

>>28012463
>Nate canon starter
>not Tepig
Didn't you guys watch the trailer?

>>28014964
This

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>>28014903
>>28014945

>>28014945
His team consists of pokemon you get as gifts in the story of yellow with the exception of snorlax who you need to fight or catch to progress the story.
Also Green doesn't have a starter in johto.

>>28014903
>Red's canonical story is Yellow
Yellow isn't even canon dude.

>>28014903
Gen II was weird. It used Yellow as canon Red but also used Red/Blue for canon Green. Aldo Espeon out of fucking nowhere.

>>28012463
Same as in PokeSpe

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>blue never used Umbreon in game to be the counterpart of Red's Espeon

>>28015004
Ivysaur is catchable in Yellow.

>>28015114
It was used by Gary, right?

>>28015175
yes
>and Ash never had an Espeon
WTF is going on? how did they waste that opportunity?

>>28015088
>It used Yellow as canon Red
Except it didn't. It implied trading otherwise Red couldn't get any of the starters.

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>>28014945
>>28014903
Both of these are wrong.

>>28015004
Is correct.

>>28013414
Because G/S/C/HG/SS/B2/W2 Red and Ash started with Pikachu, manga Red started with Bulbasaur and Origins Red started with Squirtle. Not a single Red started with Squirtle, it is usually considered Green's/Blue's canon starter.

>>28015299
>Because G/S/C/HG/SS/B2/W2 Red and Ash started with Pikachu
No he didn't.

>>28015237
Unevolved Pikachu and three starters clearly imply Yellow, mate.

>Red, Blue, Leaf
Charmander, Squirtle, Bulbasaur

>Ethan, Silver, Kris, Lyra
Cyndaquil, Totodile, Chikorita, Marill

>Brendan, May, Wally
Treecko, Torchic, Ralts

>Lucas, Barry, Dawn
Turtwig, Chimchar, Piplup
fucking obvious

>Hilbert/Hilda, Cheren, Bianca, Hilda/Hilbert
Oshawott, Snivy, Tepig, ?

>Nate, Hugh, Rosa
Tepig, Oshawott, Snivy

>Calem, Serena, Shauna, Tierno, Trevor
Chespin, Fennekin, Froakie, Corphish, Flabébé
>Kanto Calem
Charmander
OR
>Serena, Calem, Shauna, Tierno, Trevor
Fennekin, Froakie, Chespin, Corphish, Flabébé
>Kanto Serena
Squirtle

>Helios, Selene, Hau, Lili
Rowlet, Popplio, Litten, Squishy

>Blue's Eevee
Umbreon

>Michael's Eevee
Flareon

>>28015240
Isn't that from the manga? That girl is clearly Blue.

>>28015333
Sorry but the NPCs he gets them from don't exist outside of Yellow and FR/LG replaced the previous canon.
The only conclusion you can come to is that he traded for them.

>>28015333
>>28014903
Not that anon, but its clearly meant to be that no starter is canon, by giving him all of them.

Blue has all of his replacement Pokemon for starters from the non-Yellow games, which backs this up.

>>28015299
>Origins Red started with Squirtle
Oops, I meant Charmander, obviously.

>>28015359
>>28015362
Not the same guy, but yellow being canon make way more sense than him having traded his starters.

>>28015399
I just said they picked those Pokemon because they didn't want to give him a canon starter.

Blue's team alone not being his Yellow team, but his RGB team kind of says that Yellow isn't the canon one.

>>28015399
>but yellow being canon make way more sense
It really doesn't. Everything else in the games point towards Yellow not being canon and the only evidence for Yellow being canon is Red himself which can easily be explained through trading or even breeding seeing as current Red has visited the Sevii Islands and previous Red was found in Johto.

>>28015338
I see Turtwig as Barry's canon. It gives him no duplicate typed, unlike Chimchar. Also I think it fits him since two of his pokemon came from trees.

>>28015459
And then Dawn doesn't get Piplup
Well, unless she's the canon protagonist

are we talking vidya or mango canon?

>>28015088
>>28015237
Did you people even play the games.

In Yellow, you could get all three starters + Pikachu. Then, you had Snorlax, Espeon, Lapras, depending if you played the original versions or the remakes.

It was done, so that all three starters are shown since they are equally important. Pikachu is the mascot of Pokemon and, because of it, was in the team as well.
The other two members were chosen not so much based on popularity, but because they were less subjective and more political choices. Snorlax, Espeon, Lapras, those Pokemon are either given away or rare.
You could make the argument then, "where is hitmonchan and the like", but you could only choose one. They did not want to limit that view and used those Pokemon instead.
Why Espeon and not Umbreon? Should be clear as one seems inherently good and "evil", so it is obvious they would choose Espeon over it.

If you look at it like that, you could argue that "Yellow" is the canon version as it is easy to see why. It is the easy to get those Pokemon in those games, the other option would be that he traded his Pokemon in order to get the starters. A possibility as well.
Neither are more right than the other. Because you just do not know it. You don't. Why would it not be logical for him to get the other starter through trading, or through Yellow?

Blue is a gym leader in Gen 2 and the remakes. There is no starter. He could have traded it with Red. He could have also traded his starter (Espeon) with Red.

>>28015436
Actually don't know what was said or implied with Red being at the Sevii Islands, but nothing would contradict anything. It's easy as fuck as one is open about it.
He could have just visited it later, whenever, may have visited it, or it being more of an amalgam between the remakes and "Yellow" if you want to go that far.

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>>28015350
It's old promotional artwork for Red and Green. The girl in this picture is who inspired the manga character. It's also not the only early promotional art that shows him with Bulbasaur either.

>>28015362
That no starter is canon theme doesn't match Blue's team since he doesn't have a single pokemon from his yellow team. But them he had a Machamp out of nowhere in HG/SS, GF clearly doesn't care about canon at all.

>>28015534
>Neither are more right than the other.
Yeah no, see >>28015359
There's more evidence that Yellow isn't canon.

At least play the games before attempting such a meager text wall.

>>28015428
>Yellow is at least partially canon because Red's Pikachu
>Yellow isn't canon because Blue's team
These two don't match.

>>28015004
>bibibibi
I wish pokemon had kept their animal cries through all media.

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>>28015597
>GF clearly doesn't care about canon at all.
He uses both his Alakazam and the Machamp he replaced it with back in HGSS in his BW2.

The idea is clearly that Blue is willing to switch around his team, but he still owns these Pokemon.

>>28015635
Because its a possible starter, also the mascot of the series, so it makes sense the very first protag would have it.

Blue's team would have would be different if Yellow was the canon game.

>>28015359
>FR/LG
>canon

>>28015644
>one horn chsrizard

>>28015716
Yes, FR/LG and HG/SS override the gen 1 and 2 games.

>>28012463
>male SM protagonist
>Rowlet
This board is so stupid.

>>28015599
Ah, so you are an autist who likes to limit himself.

>>28015754
That's like saying remake Bomberman is more canon than the classic one. It is clearly a what if scenario.

>>28015716
Seeing as that version of Red and Blue are still around over the originals, its safe to say those are canon.

>>28015764
>girly pokemon or evil looking pokemon
>canon for male mc

>>28015764
I would have said poplio because of the shoes, but if that leak final evolution leak is true I really doubt ti wouldbe anyone but rowlet.

>>28015805
Bomberman isn't Pokemon.
And that game was a reboot, not a remake.

>>28015878
Care to explain how FR/LG is canon? It doesn't give Red a starter Pikachu.

>>28015841
>evil looking
What starters before gen 7 looked "evil" to you?

>>28015844
What? If anything Luchalitten standing beside Ash shows it'll be the one that's advertised more by TPCi, and probably the one that will be shown alongside the SM protagonist more.

>>28015917
Because it's the most recent Kanto game, as is HG/SS for Johto. It would have been the same for ORAS if they didn't establish a second universe.

Also Yellow isn't canon at all because
>None of those NPCs and several others exist
>the lack of Anime rocket
>Blue's team is reminiscent of his RBY/FRLG team

Explain how Yellow can be canon without resorting to Red as he's explained through trading.

>>28015004

Early art always depicted Red with Bulbasaur and "Blue" with Charmander.
Red and Green in reverse.
The calm and lagging Red picks the plant, while the power hungry dick Blue picks the fire dragon.

Why did you think Bulbasaur is #1 in the Pokedex?

Of course these days they're more interested in Charizard pandering.

>>28016003
>implying all remakes aren't different universes
Also some things missing doesn't mean it isn't canon. The only real proof is Blue's team but you have Red's team as counter proof.

>>28016224
>but you have Red's team as counter proof.
Not that anon, but you can argue that its to make no starter canon.

Pikachu is the mascot, so it makes sense that the first protag would have it. All versions of Red have a Pikachu as well.

>>28016152
It is weird how he is called Red, wear red clothes and pick the green starter and Green pick the red starter. Why didn't GF changed their names?

>>28016254
Its to be counterparts to each other. Pokemon Black had a white legendary for you, and it was the other way around for the other version.

>>28016224
>Also some things missing doesn't mean it isn't canon.
So what evidence do you have that they're canon other than "they just are!"?

>The only real proof is Blue's team but you have Red's team as counter proof.
As well as everything else I said.

>>28016355
Pikachu and three starters are prove enough. Stop being a denialfag.
>m-muh trading!
That shit argument can also be used for Blue not having his Yellow team. Your shitty argument goes against yourself.

>>28016648
>Pikachu and three starters are prove enough.
Can't happen because the NPCs don't exist at all.

>Stop being a denialfag.
The only denialfag here is you anon.

>>28016830
The NPCs moved, anon. A lot of years passed between the games. That's like saying Lorelei and Agatha aren't canon because they weren't in G/S/C.
>I'm n-not a denialfag...!

>>28012463
>Helios
Literally who?

>>28017028
>The NPCs moved, anon. A lot of years passed between the games
It was three anon and that's pure speculation on your part. Also, they still don't exist in FR/LG.
I'll ask again, where's your proof?

>>28013013
I think we both know that May is Norman's kid.

>>28017168
FR/LG is a different universe, anon. You can't even evolve Eevee into Espeon in them.

>>28017349
The ORAS trailer show Brendan as canon mc.

>>28017368
>FR/LG is a different universe, anon.
Yeah no, RBY are outright non canon now.

>You can't even evolve Eevee into Espeon in them.
Which Red doesn't have anymore mind you.

You don't have anything do you.

>>28017429
>All this denial!
He obviously traded his Espeon for Lapras like he traded the starters :^)

Okay denialanon, if Red traded the starters, which one he choosed first?

>>28017528
>if Red traded the starters, which one he choosed first?
That's the point of giving him all the starters anon. They didn't want to make just a single one canon.
Basically it's canon that he has all three.

Either way you still don't have any proof that Yellow is canon.

>>28017594
So according to you: Oak gave three starters to Red and none to Blue.

Very good, anon, very canon. Good job.

I love how everytime there's a MC thread, it slowly becomes a Red thread

>>28017663
>So according to you: Oak gave three starters to Red and none to Blue.
You're not very smart are you.
He only gave him one of the three, Red went on to obtain the rest on his own.
What we don't know is which one he started with because they didn't want to make a particular one canon.

>>28017720
Because there's always one anon that goes
>b-but yellow is canon because of Red
And then it just devolves from there.

>All this bias against Water
And the girls should have got their own section too. Dawn is always imagined with Piplup for example.

>>28017071
supposed name for the S/M main character, like selene for instance

>>28017851
It's not going to be Helios.
They haven't named the characters after the game like that since Red and Blue.

Where is the Poliwag and Clefairy option for Red?

Everyone is seeing the situation weird. It's not that yellow is canon, it's the unique events that take place in it that's canon.

Professor Oak distributed a Pikachu and Eevee to a new trainer and their Rival. The plot that happens in every Kanto game goes down and that's it. What really is canon would be a Yellow equivalent to FRLG. Thunder Yellow or something. It's just we can't play it.


Reds canon starter is Pikachu. His rivals is Eevee. And I'm gonna pretend the Bulbasaur and Charmander he got were Oak's and the female MC took Squirtle, because the one Red gets is apart of a gang.

>>28015655
Why did they give him Aerodactyl? He never used it in any previous games.

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>>28017881
>since red and blue
you mean gold and silver right? though it's only speculation, just have 2 wait and see

>>28017953
>you mean gold and silver right?
Technically the protags didn't have names until HG/SS.

>>28017766
Then Blue should have his starter, where it is denialanon? And why Red never evolved his Pikachu?

>>28012463
Red - Bulbasaur or Charmander
Ethan - Cyndaquil
Kris - Totodile?
Lyra - ???
Brendan (RS) - Mudkip
Brendan (ORAS) - Treecko
May (RS) - Torchic
May (ORAS) - Mudkip
Lucas - Turtwig
Dawn - Piplup
Hilbert - Tepig
Hilda - Tepig
Nate - Oshawott or Tepig
Mei - Snivy
Calem - Froakie
Serena - Fennekin

The SM protags remain to be seen

>>28012463
What if they use all 3 starters like Red in games where he's not the MC?
Red had his 3 starters, Pikachu, Snorlax and Lapras.
So how would it go for the protags of the other generations if they were in the PWT?

>>28017928
So there is two Reds and two Blues? It has sone sense, the first ones picked the starters and left Oak only with Eevee. Gym leader Blue us the first one and Champion Red is the second one.

>>28018041
>Nate - Oshawott or Tepig
Never mind, should be Tepig only. Forgot that the Samurott from BW2 trailer belonged to the rage kid not to Nate.

>>28017943
It looks like Charizard. Indirect reference to Red canon starter being Bulbasaur.

>>28018076
No Leaf or whatever her name is just left with two other trainers. One abandoned his Charizard and the other gave her Bulbasaur to Red.

>>28018041
ORAS May has both Torchic and Mudkip in the trailer.

>>28018021
>where it is denialanon?
Boxed, obviously.
Also the same question can be pushed on to you. Where's his Eevee or their respective evolutions?

>And why Red never evolved his Pikachu?
It's the mascot, that's why.

>>28018048
But npcs doesn't give you the three starters in other gens.
Ethan team would be: Typhlosion, Togetic, Sudowoodo, Umbreon, Gyarados and Hitmontop.

>>28018142
It doesn't have a real canon, denialanon. Red is from Yellow and Blue is from Red/Blue. You can also see npc May with two starters in the ORAS trailer. Game Freak doesn't give a shit.

>>28018320
>Red is from Yellow
Despite everything saying other wise
Like Blue for instance.

>You can also see npc May with two starters in the ORAS trailer.
>trailer
Which isn't canon. At all. A bit like Yellow actually.

>>28018320
>saying anyone else is in denial when you still think Yellow is canon.

>>28018392
Nigger, stop, you are embarrasing yourself. Blue is from Red/Blue, you got that right, be happy with it.

>>28012463
>Treecko winning
Mudkip makes much more sense, as Swampert both represents Ground and Water, like Groudon and Kyogre

>>28018510
Treecko defeat both ground and water, that's why it is canon.

>>28018483
>you are embarrasing yourself.
The irony. Especially since you still have yet to present anything that proves Yellow canon.
In any case I may as well let you have the last word as I have to get some sleep.

>>28018411
Yellow is the canon for Red, Red/Blue is the canon for Blue. It's a weird mix.

>>28018564
>Yellow is the canon for Red, Red/Blue is the canon for Blue. It's a weird mix.
>t-they're both canon...
That's just pathetic.
Are you seriously trying to say that Red was pulled out of the Yellow universe and into the main one?

>>28018550
Nigger, unevolved Pikachu and three starters. Red canon team is Yellow even if Blue canon team is Red/Blue. Enjoy your special classes you blind autist.

>>28018614
What I'm saying is that pokemon has no canon.

>>28018667
You'd be wrong seeing as Pokemon has an established canon.

>>28018639
And here I thought you couldn't get any more desperate.

>he isn't from Yellow he is only pretending to be from Yellow thanks to trade!

>>28018813
Stop samefagging anon.
You're never going to have an argument if you act like that.

Plus the protag for Yellow is a variation of Ash and not Red.

>>28018699
>Very established canon
Okay you are baiting bye.

>>28018880
I didn't say anything about it being "very" established anon. Just that it has one.

>b-bait...
Confirming your denial huh?

>>28018699
What's been established as far as this thread goes? Only Red has shown up in other games with an official team. There's been no canonizing of any details about the player characters since.

>>28018922
>Only Red has shown up in other games with an official team.
You do realise that Blue has as well right with the same team he had during HG/SS.
And then there's the fact that the NPCs that gave him the pokemon don't exist at all in any other game and that FR/LG and HG/SS take over the canon of the Kanto and Johto games.

>There's been no canonizing of any details about the player characters since.
>literally using the "this doesn't count" argument
You're kidding right?

>>28018904
>>28018976
So f***ing funny xdd upvoted!

>>28018976
Blue is the rival. Not a player character and he didn't have any of the starters. And I think it is notable that it's only characters from RBY. This thread is about canon starters, and no one has one beyond Red & Blue, every starter pick the protagonists have made in every game since is up to the player's imagination.

>>28018041
Gold using totodile
Kris chikorita because its the most femenine
Fucking rival silver picks the fire one cause it resembles him more.

>>28018202
nah.. that is just going for the event ones.

And Ethan? seriously? Not gold?

>>28019153
>Blue is the rival
Of the RBY games.
>Not a player character and he didn't have any of the starters.
He's still key evidence in the canonicity of Yellow anon specifically the team he uses. which isn't anywhere near the one he uses in Yellow.

>This thread is about canon starters
Topic changed a while back in this reply chain, keep up.

>>28019194
Yeah, the event ones just like Red. And Ethan is the canon name.

>>28015655
Just like how he rotated Raticate off his team.

>>28016003
ORAS establishing a second universe also meant it established an entire multiverse so you guys would stop arguing over which one is canon.

>>28017349
May has brown hair like Birch and Brendan has black hair almost exactly like Norman's.

>>28012801
>Wally

Who?

I played gen 3 but I dont remember this guy. Is he in ORAS only?