ORAS was beautiful

>>28000000

>>28009924
Imagine for the Sinnoh remakes that Sendoff Spring features a top-down point of view like this from its bridge, only the water doesn't reflect the night sky but instead the Distortion World.

>>28009924
How low are your standards, OP?

>>28010080
This.

>>28010080
Higher than all the sinnohbabbies who praise Platinum and HGSS, it seems.

>>28010080
Post something more beautiful then.

>looks like someone spilled paint all over the ground
doesn't even look like a reflection, raise your standards op

>>28009924

Yeah. It was.

>>28010180
>its a "I cant defend myself so I'll just shit on sombody else" episode
You're very sad if you'd honestly insult others than defend your point.

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>>28010182

>>28010080
you saying it's not?

I disagree, one only has to look at night time soaring to see how beautiful it is

>>28010231
I guess it is impressive if you only play Pokemon. But I've seen original DS games that look better than ORAS.

>>28010240
yeah well no shit, why would you compare ORAS to other, non-pokemon games? It's easily the best looking pokemon game

until SM though

>>28010199
Right back at you, kiddo.

>>28010317
>asuming I disagree with you because I'm not ok with how you "defend" yourself
I think ORAS is the best looking game you faggot, I don't need to shove off insults on to somebody else because I lack the inteligence to defend myself, unlike you it seems.

>>28010215
I need to get around to finishing this.

>>28010368
>what is a loaded question

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>>28010215
>Digimon Cyber Sleuth
>Male MC

>>28010317
>I know you are what am I

I want people like you to fuck off

>>28010215
Hot damn, I didn't know that Cyber Sleuth looked that great.

>>28010509
>oh no my shitty ad hom backfired better throw a tantrum
I'm sure you do, your childishness wouldn't be so easily exposed then.

>>28010513
Most of the game is spent in featureless cyber dungeons, but the Tokyo hub is very nice

>>28010529
>I know you are what am I

I'm 99% you're childish now

>>28010529
>no u
>this is apparently acceptable as an insult

please stop

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>>28010529
>>28010713

Just fuck already jesus

>>28010713
>>28010750
let go nigger

Best game ever. Autistic fktards that say otherwise can stick their favourite Pogheymanz game in their asshl.

ORAS>Platinum>B2W2>HGSS

Gen5 pogheymanz are the worst, stick them in your ass if you love this Gen. Did I say you're autistic?

>>28010215

>has to use ps4 games to challenge ORAS

Based

>>28010822
Wasn't it made for VITA?

>>28010289
The king of turds is still just a turd.

Or however that expression goes. I forgot.

Imagine a pokemon adventure on the pc at 4k 60fps, too bad it will never happen cause nintendo will never let GF go...

>>28010199
kek
perfect answer

>>28010813
Are you legit 12?

>>28010513
If it makes you feel better the bigger areas drop to sub 15fps

>>28010813


You put gen 5 as your number 3 did you know this?

>>28010180
Gen 6 fags always need to shit on the popular thing. Kalosperm shit on Unova and Hoennfags shit on Johto.

>>28011121
To be fair the Johto games are the worst.

>>28011130
But gen 4 isn't popular.

>>28011130
>Kalosperm shit on Unova and Hoennfags shit on Johto.

Are you some sort of retarded?

90% of people shit on Unova because it's awful.

Only a small percentage of people shit on Johto, and only the original GSC because it has a garbage level curve.

End your life.

>>28010289
>>28010368
I dont think ORAS look that great desu. It had some nice moments but that's it.

>>28010529
Fallacy fallacy

>>28010813
falseflag

>>28011144
>Platinum and HGSS
>not popular

>>28011130
Also why the fuck has HGSS been getting infinitely more hate recently?

>>28011173
>Platinum and HGSS
>>not popular
Gen 4 as a whole is the most unpopular generation. Even here.
Why do you think there's no demand for a remake despite going into a new gen?

>>28011181
The novelty of the gimmicks is wearing off leaving people to see the game as what it is.
A tedious mess.

>>28011213
Are you kidding? I see remake threads all the time. Which sucks because I dont want it to have a remake at all. Sequel or nothing.

>>28011181
loud minority gets louder as the games get older and older but are still loved more than recent ones

>>28011230
That's literally what I want. I love small things, attension to detail. Things that make the world feel alive Without the level curve they'd probably be the best games and a few more mons

>>28011289
>muh level curve
>muh level curve
That's what you get for battling everyone

>>28011056
It could happen. Just look at Go, for instance. Even with all the bullshit about it, pokemon go is still going strong, and Nintendo needs every bit of revenue it can get right now. I'd wager a steam-released official pokemon game with AAA-game budget would be the equivalent to printing money, without needing to worry about anything other than bandwidth.

>>28011306
>being underleveled for battling everyone

You what

These games are probably the most annoying to nuzlocke because of the steep level curve after team rocket

>>28011181
Because Hoennfags got jealous that their remake is not as good as HGSS

>>28011289
I'm playing HGSS and the level curve criticism is shit. Just battle everyone.

The curve matches the region. The only big jump is post game

>>28010215
>15 FPS

>>28011234
>I see remake threads all the time.
They happen once every few days and they're filled with the same replies about the region and game being mediocre. Not to mention gen 4's presence is near absent outside of Lucario outside of here.

Then there's the fact that the poor reception to cross gen evolutions and region layout caused eviolite, Megas and extremely linear regions.

>>28011392
>The curve matches the region.
It really doesn't, even soloing with your starter only gets you to regular levels. An entire team doesn't get you anywhere near where they should be.
And the worst part is that HGSS increased the levels without thinking about the scaling of everything else so it's even worse.

>>28011442
I am literally playing it right now. Maybe things will get messed up once I go further but as of Mahogany Town I'm fine

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ORAS IS BEAUTIFUL!

>>28011475
Oh no. It's after the team rocket it goes to shit. Pyrice is a bit wierd too

>>28011475
Good for you but it's a fact that you'll be under levelled without the additional grind.

>>28011392
That's horseshit. I went through Johto with a team of 5 and I was still severely under leveled against Claire and the Elite 4. Only reason I beat those fuckers was through going through and losing over and over and over again.

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>>28011480
IT MAKES HOENN LOOK NATURAL AND ALIVE

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>>28011516
AND OH THE OCEAN

>>28011496
>>28011508
The last time I beat HGSS I was at the 40's by the time I got to the E4. I had to rebattle them once or twice but no more than I usually do (outside 5/6 where I won on the first try for each)

Right now I'm about to enter level 30 with my whole team and I'm pretty sure I can ge to 40 again from Mahogany to the E4

>>28011563
I agree Hoenn doesnt look as great as people say but the ocean was fantastic, aesthetics wise

>>28010215
>playing as the male MC in cyber sleuth

>>28011584
I was 30 around Mahogany town, then after Team Rocket attacks, most of my mine were 35. I could barely fight Claire, and there were no grinding spots left. I had to resort to giving my Starmie Choice specs and spamming blizzard and thunder. I had to use the same strategy against Lance. By the time I got to the Elite 4, my highest level mon was 38. HG/SS will forever be my favorite games, but if you fuck up training your Pokemon, the level curve will make you its bitch

>>28009924

I didn't think so and Gen 3 had my favourite growing up, I loved Hoenn since I was a kid, seeing it in ORAS' """"3D"""" was underwhelming.

Pokemon never looked particularly good because GF are hacks and they know they just have to do the minimum amount of effort and the fanbase will always eat it up. You just got used to the pixel/sprite look and learned to like it due to the massive hours poured into the games, because that was all you got and it's always been lightyears behind other franchises. This fanbase is amazingly backwards in that aspect, I still remember people being pissed about no more sprites.

S&M will look like an actual 3D game, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed for that one.

>>28011653
Pixels/sprites top down looks are a legitimate art style and design choice though, not just a limitation.

It's why Link Between Worlds is still top down despite the fact that the 3DS can handle full 3D Zeldas.

>>28011644
Yeah, that sounds odd. I doubt the Lake of Rage and Mahogany Town section, the Goldenrod City section, the rematch calls and all the trainers between Mahogany and Clair would only up your team by 5 levels.

>>28009924
>top down view
This is the worst shit I have seen in a main pokemon game.

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>>28011713
I still don't understand why they did ALBW, I'm pretty sure that a regular 3D Zelda game or something closer to the Oracle games and Minish Cap would have been a better game and sold more.

>>28011480
>>28011516
>>28011563
More squares than Minecraft.

>>28011758
Yeah, Minish Cap is closer to a 3D Zelda than LBW honestly.

LBW started as a LttP remake you know. Same as how Oracle of Seasons started as a remake of the first game and OoT started as a remake of Zelda II.

If only Gamefreak went further with thier remakes like those guys. We'd have more BW2s.

>>28010215
>Games that sold only a fraction of OR/AS
>Franchises that are pretty much dead in the West

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>>28011758
>>28011822
Also adding to that, 2D games inherently have different puzzles to 3D ones. You can tell with the top down Zeldas being much more puzzle oriented than the 3D ones which is why I generally prefer them

>>28011516
>>28011781
honestly sad

>>28011822
Yeah, I love the Pokemon formula, but it would be nice to see them take risks and innovate beyond the obvious things. Colosseum and XD are the only games that tried something different, and it wasn't even that different, but it was great.

Just imagine if, like Zelda, there were two Pokemon formulas, like the 3D and 2D ones. Why the fuck haven't they made full console games? It doesn't make sense that the console games are the spin-offs and all the main games are on handhelds.

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>>28011854
>Games are only good if they're popular

>>28012039
>thinking they said anything resembling that

Laffin over here

>>28011322
Looking at the amount of effort gf actually put in their games compared to other companies i would really hope someone else devs it

>>28010813
> Gen5 pogheymanz are the worst
> ORAS>Platinum>B2W2>HGSS

Are you brain-dead?

>>28011322
I'd say they don't really want to get that public. Kids will always like Pokemon, and doing a big game will mean that the general public will see it, and it will see all of it flaws. By doing the bare minimum, they don't have to put effort and people still buy the games.

>>28009924
>take 5 steps
>obnoxious fade to black transition in the middle of the route
They even redesigned an entire city from the ground just because they somehow couldn't handle loading a region that a fucking GBA could load without having a single gatehouse.

>>28011121
This, Gen 5 needs to be first

>>28012254
Gatehouses>>>fade to black too. Gates keep the immersion more than a loading screen of empty space

>>28012254
>implying a GBA could load current hoenn
Are you seriously trying to say that sprites are as taxing as high poly models?
Are you retarded?

>>28011899
I actually don't are about no console Pokemon

>>28011899
>Colosseum and XD are the only games that tried something different
Gens 3, 5, 6 and 7 say hi.

>>28013222
They improved, but apart from 7 which isn't out yet, they didn't change the formula at all.

>>28012254
Or maybe they redesigned Mauville to have a place to put a ton of XY carryovers and to make what would otherwise be the least interesting town in the whole region with the inevitability of having to remove the Game Corner not be so unremarkable, as well as to play into that ORAS is an alternate continuity and in the original RSE Watson mentions his past desires to renovate the entire town but never got to it

You fucking fuck

>>28013248
There's more to the pokemon formula than just gyms and the E4 you know.

>>28013270
If you say over half of the games changed the formula there is no formula. What I'm talking about is the general structure and pacing of the game, the kind of characters you meet, the story.

>>28013318
>What I'm talking about is the general structure and pacing of the game, the kind of characters you meet, the story.
And the gens I listed did just that. Especially 7.

Like I said, there's more to the formula than just the gyms and e4

>>28009924
#HoennAtNight

>>28010180
How dare they like 2 of the best games in the franchise

maybe if they didn't ruin Mauville

>>28013318
>What I'm talking about is the general structure and pacing of the game, the kind of characters you meet, the story.
Okay lets go over the basics of each game.

Hoenn starts off differently from the other games and heavily emphazises character interaction more than other generations seeing as you see the progression of Wally and meet up with the Champion long before it's confirmed he's the champion. Not to mention it goes well into detail about their characters more than gen 1 and 2 did.
Then there's the fact that unlike the previous two games it had some semblance of a plot as well as two teams, none of which were Team Rocket.

Black and White essentially take plot and development in Pokemon and throw it into overdrive by adding a complex (for pokemon) story as well as a moral that truths and ideals are one an the same. It even went so far as to change the climax so you don't battle the champion at the end.

Gen 6 was more of a mechanical change until ORAS rolled along adding more depth to the characters in RS making them feel more human than other characters before as well as adding underlying themes of mass pokemon abuse.

And from what we've seen of gen 7 everything has changed.

>>28011887
I always loved the way sprite art working on grids had of trying to make the geometry of their design less obvious. The same with molding an aesthetic that can fit into that framework. It's knowing there were limitations that made the decisions to circumnavigate them clever. You take away the limitations and having a grid-like aesthetic isn't a natural product of making the game, and the decisions lack utility: There's not in it to appreciate.

>>28013586
>ruined
Did babby find it too hard to navigate?

>>28009924
Not really.
Even X/Y was better looking.

>>28013682
People really overrated the character depth of ORAS, it really feels no different from any game from Gens 4 to 6.

>>28013786
Good analysis.

>>28014090
>it really feels no different from any game from Gens 4 to 6.
I blame that on the fact that people just mashed through the game for the most part. After all there are people who still think Zinnia destroyed the link cables because of the second world.

Does anyone have a high resoluted and bigger version of the Water in route 120 at Night?

>>28014130
No, I paywd attention to what I was playing. But the characterizations of say, the cilkains or rival does not feel ahead if the attempts in the other regions or even much different outside it being 3D.

Plus I hated Zinnia so that's a knock against it

>>28014490
*villains, holy shit. I should stop assuming I just typed the right thing and not check

>>28014490
>the cilkains or rival does not feel ahead if the attempts in the other regions or even much different outside it being 3D.
Okay one, they go into a lot more depth with the characters more than usual except for gen 5 for obvious reasons. There are even the out of gym scenes with each of the Gym Leaders which tell you more about their characters.
Two what does 3D have to do with anything?

>>28014510
You also forgot "paywd".

>>28011653
>sprites
>backwards
I wish reddit would leave.

>>28014543
Not really, they just added motivations to the Gen 3 villains because they didn't have any before. All the other leaders did. And I felt the desperation of Archer in HGSS or the frustration of Ghestis in BW2 just as much as the feelings of ORAS characters. The 3D just made then get their emotions across better by being more expressive, I suppose.

Also, is the out of Gym stuff post game? Because I only remember Your dad and Wattson outside the gym. Every other region except Kalos has more gym leaders doing things outside the gym.

I tried to fixed pages right before it posted but was too late

>>28014628
>And I felt the desperation of Archer in HGSS
Okay this wasn't even a thing outside of the manga. And if you didn't feel the emotions from the characters in ORAS that just goes as a testament to you mashing through the game.

>Also, is the out of Gym stuff post game?
Yes.

>>28014628
>And I felt the desperation of Archer in HGSS
Not him but how do you get desperation from this?
>I was not up to the task after all. Like Giovanni has done before me, I will disband Team Rocket here today. Farewell…"

>>28014716
That's the conclusion if his storyline. Is there a not deflated way to end any evil team plot? Its always lame after the climax.

>>28014692
Or I just disagree with you. That's possible you know. Hell, I probably played it longer than you did. I always take my time when playing Pokemon games. No, Courtney didn't make me feel anything with her robot speak, no Zinnia did not make me feel anything with her anything she did.

>>28009924
Made my secret base there just for the view of the lake.

>>28014793
>Is there a not deflated way to end any evil team plot? Its always lame after the climax.
How about showing some actual desperation and utilizing the evolution waves in some way?

>>28014793
>Or I just disagree with you. That's possible you know.
You do realise there's a difference between saying you didn't like it and that there's minimal changes right?
Also
>Hell, I probably played it longer than you did.
I doubt that seeing as you didn't even realise there were any out of gym encounters.

>>28014867
I liked how all their plans were unrelated, but yeah I wouldn't have minded they actually followed through with their Gyarados Army idea.

>>28014896
Yeah, I do. And I'm saying its both. There's huge changes to Gen 3, but that's about it, in my eyes.

Some people play games for years and don't discover something. Its post game and all I've really don't for that is the Resort. Not to mention Johto and Unova also have out of gyn encounters for every gym leader. Its cool if ORAS did it for you but I'm just not seeing it.

>>28010039
>only the water doesn't reflect the night sky but instead the Distortion World
fund this

>>28009924
ORAS was a fun game, I swear /vp/ shits on it for no reason other then trying to be edgy

Yeah it was, there was an atmosphere about it that just caught me in, no matter how easy it was, it was still mindless fun. Loved the music.

>>28015613
>having an opinion
>edgy

>>28015643
>having an opinion based on memes and shitposting
>not edgy

>>28009924
ORAS were beautiful and are beautiful

>>28010180
>it's a "you can't enjoy them all" episode
>every day on 4chan is a "you can't enjoy them all" episode

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>>28009924
This reflection was the only good looking thing on ORAS
the rest looked like the same gba game but with 3d graphics and removed features

>>28015997
>removed features
when will this meme die?

>>28016958
He's one of those people who thinks that trimming the fat is a bad thing.

>>28010240

Bullshit. Unless you mean 2D games on the DS

>>28017063
I will never understand people who think the only good part of pork is the fat

And pork in general is like the only meat fat isn't abdolutely disgusting on

>>28015997
Nice meme

>>28009924
That doesnt even look that good lol

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>>28016958
>>28017063

>>28009924
that's about all it was though, worst remake in the franchise hands down and arguably the worst main series game.

>>28016958
It's not a meme if features were removed with no substitutes for them

>>28017305
>It's not a meme if features were removed with no substitutes for them
Why would anyone want another tedious feature to replace the previous tedious feature?
The whole reason they were removed was because they were tedious.

>>28011480
To be fair though, the water in Meteor Calls looks pretty fucking nice

>>28017338
Yeah, Gym Leader rematches were pretty tedious.

>>28017118
Just kill yourself, no one with an opinion this bad should be allowed to exist.

>>28017417
The last game they appeared in as legitimate rematches being HG/SS where they were at their most tedious. Seeing as Leaders had to be found at certain times on certain days and then called on different days at different times.

So yes, it was pretty tedious.

OR/AS was okay

>>28017483
People overrate how tedious it was to do in HGSS anyways. It was annoying but definitely not the worst thing ever.

And since they always had different ways to execute the rematches, they could have just done it differently here.

You are literally defending removing something over improving it. Just admit a game you like has flaws.

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>>28009924
ORAS was a rehash

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>28010813
You don't deserve a (You).

I really liked ORAS, certainly better than XY. Way more playable than Emerald, which can't be said for FRLG vs. RBY.

>>28017545
>People overrate how tedious it was to do in HGSS anyways. It was annoying but definitely not the worst thing ever.
That's because when it came out it we had guides to rely on. Without that there's next to nothing to show us when and where to go to find them.

>And since they always had different ways to execute the rematches, they could have just done it differently here.
Probably, probably not.

That said there are much more mediocre games than this by a large margin.

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/vp/ still getting baited by trolls about ORAS
We all know ORAS was shit and the worst pokemon game, stop invited the retards by arguing about it

>>28017483
Yeah. They should never have it back again/improve upon stuff

>>28017654
That's not how you spell gen 4.

>>28017641
And we have internet guides now. Its probably even less of an issue now. Certainly for me. And if it got replaced with something worse, that would have a guide to remove the tedium too.

True. I don't really like ORAS but I'd still rate them as probably as OK enough. And I get why people like it. They just tend to defend the shitty things it did too much to make sense and shit on better games because of all the undue hate

>>28009924
ORAS is beautiful.

The same goes to a lot of Playstation 4 games, but it doesn't make them good.

>>28017654
>We all know X & Y was shit and the worst pokemon game
FTFY

>>28017788
>>28017654
GUYS! It's gen 6 in general

>>28017716
>And we have internet guides now
You're not getting it, if such a mundane and small feature requires a guide at all it shouldn't be in such a state within the game.
In fact the guide in and of itself is still tedium because you either have to wait for the time or change your system time each and every time to do such a thing. Understand?

>They just tend to defend the shitty things it did too much to make sense
To be fair, people are way too attached to meaningless features that only serve to bog down the game which is the main reason why ORAS is disliked. It all just stems from a fear of change and improvement really.

Why does GF have such a raging boner about XY?

Everytime I play ORAS, specially when I'm in Mauville, I see some Kalos picture in a wall or that fucking thing in the middle of the city that wants to emulate the Prismal Tower or whatever it's called

It just bugs me

>>28017843
I understand, I just disagree. These things are honestly barely tedious to me, and many people. There has to be a limit to how much we remove in the sake if streamlining the experience. ORAS felt very sterilized to me because everything that used to be interesting just became as easy as possible when the okdbway was fine already.

Not perfect, for example, it would have been better if HGSS's legendary events were not locked behind WiFi stuff, so ORAS did well there, but at the same time, I greatly preferred say, getting Arceus at Sinnoh with a story about how its the center of the Pokemon universe than finding an Arceus in a home put there by Hoops for whatever reason.

Its not an objective improvement to remove a feature rather than fix it, or take away the uniqueness of a feature instead of streamline it.

>>28017978
*home and Hoopa. I wish I could turn off Spell check

>>28017998
Oh, I meant hole. Not another spell check issue, I just forgot what I was saying

>>28017978
>or take away the uniqueness of a feature instead of streamline it.
>streamline
That's where the problem lies mostly. I mean, take the Safari Zone for example it wasn't a particularly liked feature and as time went on the reception got worse and worse.
The only way to streamline such a feature would be to remove it. You could make an argument that removing the entry price and step limit is also streamlining it but the true problem is the RNG, Pokemon escaping, rarity and so on. Get what I mean?
Same goes for berry blending. The game itself was the tedious aspect of it because it was difficult to find other people who were willing to play it and the NPC players would always make a mistake ruining the quality of the block.

>>28018101
How about completely overhauling it rather than removing it? Look at say, Voltorb Flip. They just made an entirely new minigame rather than removed the Game Corner. And while many people here disliked it, I personally loved it. Completely overhauling the Safari Zone wouldn't have been impossible.

I actually thought the previous Berry Blender game was also super fun, I don't know anyone who outright hated it

>>28018169
>Look at say, Voltorb Flip.
Bad example, you were forced to play Voltorb flip and couldn't skip it by purchasing coins.

>Completely overhauling the Safari Zone wouldn't have been impossible.
There's not really a way to retain the original Safari Zone feel while streamlining it.

>>28018101
>>28018169
I think the real problem is that some people find things tedious while others find them nice, and the line between making easier and removing things is blurry.

I mean, I know an anon here that always complains about how the Day/Night cycle is tedious and having to wait until night to catch a Hoothoot is bad design. The lack of consensus in what is the right balance and GF seemingly going too far this Gen is the real problem.

(Also, this is a good, non shitposty conversation, its actually nice)

>>28018235
>(Also, this is a good, non shitposty conversation, its actually nice)
Agreed. Different opinions don't necessarily mean shitposting.
However the sad truth is that the majority of threads end that way.

>>28018277
/vp/ is pretty shit at good discussion, because so many annoying people here. I've started trying to push more discussion threads myself.

>>28018223
I agree that not adding the option to buy coins was a huge mistake, but the idea itself was good. A game that used a combo of luck and skill that made it entirely possible to get coins by yourself.

And yeah, I do think it would be hard to give it a safari zone feel, I'd be OK with just changing it completely.

>>28009924
How can other regions even compete?