Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

POKÉMON MOVIE SPECIAL SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_Movie_19_Premiere_Commemoration_Special[H264_720P][212D0552].mkv.torrent

XY&Z17 POKÉTV SEGMENT SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_017_Thunder_and_Onvern!_A_Furious_Strike_of_Lightning!!_PokeTV_segment[H264_720P][08A85A9A].mkv.torrent

XY&Z36 SUBS:
http://pocketmonsters.edwardk.info/[PM]Pocket_Monsters_XY&Z_036_Fierce_Fighting_at_the_Kalos_League!_Gather,_All_of_My_Passion!![H264_720P][53FB69AD].mkv.torrent

XY&Z37 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=839243

XY&Z38 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=841536

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z39: THE FLARE GANG ATTACKS! THE ZYGARDE AT THE PRISM TOWER!! (AUGUST 25TH)
>A Zygarde and lots of enormous plants suddenly appear. And as Satoshi, Pikachu and Alan attempt to get to the bottom of this mystery, the Flare Gang appear before them! And incredibly enough, their target is Satoshi...!

>Summary:
>Miare City is thrown into a huge panic when mysterious enormous plants attack. Satoshi, Pikachu and Alan head for the Prism Tower to find out the cause behind all this. But then the Flare Gang appear before them. Meanwhile, Fleur-de-lis starts telling the entire world about his ambitions...!

>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Mayuki Makiguchi: Serena
>Yuki Kaji: Citron
>Mariya Ise: Eureka
>Megumi Sato: Dedenne
>Megumi Hayashibara: Musashi
>Shinichiro Miki: Kojiro
>Inuko Inuyama: Nyarth
>Yuji Ueda: Sonansu
>Kensho Ono: Alan
>Mikako Komatsu: Manon
>Hiroshi Tsuchida: Platane
>Hideaki Tezuka: Fleur-de-lis
>Tsuguo Mogami: Xerosicy
>Fumiko Orikasa: Carne
>Anri Katsu: Tierno
>Minami Fujii: Trova
>Yurie Kobori: Sana
>Akeno Watanabe: Pachira
>Masako Katsuki: Gojika
>Chiemi Ishimatsu: Junsa
>Karin Nanami: Correa
>Rinko Natsuhi: Akebi
>Akane Fujita: Bara
>Kensuke Sato: Lizardon
>Kenta Miyake: Onvern
>Kiyotaka Furushima: Fiarrow
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration

UPCOMING SHIT:

XY&Z40: The Shocking Zygarde VS Zygarde! The Breaking World!! (Sep 1st)
>Clemont and the others decide to split into several groups in order to stop Team Flare's plans. Bonnie follows Squishy as it confronts Z2, which has transformed into its 50% Forme. But then the evil clutches of Team Flare strike! And just like Z2, Squishy also ended up getting controlled by Team Flare.

XY&Z41: Attack on Lumiose Gym! The Citroid Forever!! (Sep 8th)
>As he attempts to retake the Lumiose Gym, Clemont challenges Team Flare scientist Xerosic to a battle, staking their pride as scientists.

XY&Z -MOVIE VER.- (SATOSHI)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6d63pkrvpvcqry3/XY%26Z_MOVIE_VER_%28Both_Sizes%29.zip

THE PIKACHU SONG (PIKACHU)
http://www.megafileupload.com/7hw9/The_Pikachu_Song.m4a

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA SOUNDTRACK
http://www.filedrop
per.com/movie19soundtrack

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA MANGA
CHAPTER 1: http://imgur.com/a/PAdz8
CHAPTER 2: http://imgur.com/a/cGC71
CHAPTER 3: http://imgur.com/a/l6bs1

>>27955274
Why is she mad

Charizard saving Ash from despair when!?

>>27955308
muh satosh

>>27955308
Alain kidnapped her husbando.

>>27955314
It'll be Alan's Charizard saving him instead of his own Charizard :^)

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NO

FLYING

ALLOWED

>>27955328
nah... Allan's going to be busy with those Flare Grunts.

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>>27955274
FUCK THIS ANIME
SERENAFAGS WILL BE BTFO

HEY KIDS, IT TIME FOR MORE INCREDIBLE ADVENTURES OF CAPTAIN ALAN AND CHARIZARD, THE LIZARD WONDER!!!

>>27955280

>changed POKETV to POKÉTV

Don't think I didn't see that, OP. :^)

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>>27955274
Do you call that an Action Waifu?
Get a load of this guy

Amour was for nothing.

But seriously though, out of all the birds, why an Unfeazant?

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I want to thanks my mother and my boyfriend Manon.

>>27955300
UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 47 (Aug 28th)

XY&Z40: The Shocking Zygarde VS Zygarde! The Breaking World!! (Sep 1st)
>Clemont and the others decide to split into several groups in order to stop Team Flare's plans. Bonnie follows Squishy as it confronts Z2, which has transformed into its 50% Forme. But then the evil clutches of Team Flare strike! And just like Z2, Squishy also ended up getting controlled by Team Flare.

XY&Z41: Attack on Lumiose Gym! The Citroid Forever!! (Sep 8th)
>As he attempts to retake the Lumiose Gym, Clemont challenges Team Flare scientist Xerosic to a battle, staking their pride as scientists.

XY&Z -MOVIE VER.- (SATOSHI)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6d63pkrvpvcqry3/XY%26Z_MOVIE_VER_%28Both_Sizes%29.zip

THE PIKACHU SONG (PIKACHU)
http://www.megafileupload.com/7hw9/The_Pikachu_Song.m4a

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA SOUNDTRACK
http://www.filedrop
per.com/movie19soundtrack

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA MANGA
CHAPTER 1: http://imgur.com/a/PAdz8
CHAPTER 2: http://imgur.com/a/cGC71
CHAPTER 3: http://imgur.com/a/l6bs1

>>27955374
Super Luck

>>27955372
XY was just a mere waste of time.

>>27955379

Do we have 100% confirmation that it's airing on the 28th? I left it out since I was unable to find the Japanese episode preview information.

Don't make new threads ahead of time if you're not going to fix shit the previous OP fucked up

>>27955374
I guess every other bird has had some spotlight already. Ash's was a girl.

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>>27955274
SHES PRETTY
SHES ANGRY
SHE'S CALLED
SERENA

>>27955399
http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/program/detail/22918_201608280800.html

Yes.

Were you the one that asked in the Pokenchi thread?

After all this, are you still planning to watch the anime?
Oh anons, you are such gluttons for punishment.

>>27955412

I was. I was trying to find out information before I made the new thread.

Oh well, someone can add in the information to the next thread since this thread is well underway.

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She might not be the best girl for everyone, but she sure is the prettiest.

>>27955436
Yeah, it's ok, it's just a minor bit anyway.

All this build up for nothing. Nothing.

>>27955438
>but she sure is the prettiest.
Mmmm thats pretty debatable too

>>27955438
Why is she so afraid of confessing to Ash? Doesn't she know how qt she is?

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All those episodes focusing on the meme frog FOR NOTHING

>>27955461
>Gets a magic frog to compete with megas
>loses to megas anyway

Absolutely no purpose

>>27955438
no

>>27955274
I'm not just a cute Candy Girl.
When the hero is in trouble, I'm here to help.

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Reminder that XYZ is already done. To Alola we go

>>27955501
All the training, all the promises, the prophecy, Wulfric's arc, it was worth shit.
Mary Sue stroke again.

Why were there so many tournament arcs in Unova?

>>27955533
There was nothing else to do.

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>>27955512
Yes

>>27955533
because there were no shitty performances.

>>27955523
I''m not going anywhere.

>>27955559
Cower in shame.

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>yfw Korrina wins da Ashbowl by saving him

>>27955582
why would korrina win the ashbowl by saving barry

where did barry even come from, why is he in the kalos region, and why does korrina need to save him to win the ashbowl?

your post makes no sense

>>27955559
Honeslty I wouldnt give a fuck about the league if I could tap that

>>27955559
>>27955555

>>27955528
But anon, Team Flare, and Zygarde, and oh who gives a shit anymore?

>>27955559
Serena is so cute, why doesn't she have any confidence to express her desire for Ash?

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Guys i was thinking in making a new OP is this one good?

>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
Its Ok nothing Amazing, just start watching already.

>What's the point of watching it anymore?
To enjoy the ride.

>Will Serena win da Ash?
Dreaming doesn't cost a thing.

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>>27955559
just stop

>>27955636
No fuck off.

>>27955617
Exactly.
There is only anger and butthurt left.

>>27955636
That's probably the most fair assessment of the season as a whole.

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>>27955632
i dont think its about confidence, but about moment
She knows ASh was focusing on league and getting his 8 badge, Serena knows that if she confess, it will be just another thing to add in his mind.
Mark my words, im pretty sure we will have a heavy amour moment during flare arc, or/and after.

>>27955602
I see your brain still lacks basic knowledge, Cameron

When am I gonna have my "Stalebaiter victory edition" thread?

I have already won 2/3 of the war already

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>>27955650
Delicious

>>27955668
No she its definitely about confidence, I think she thinks so highly of ash so she has a hard time having an actual conversation with him with out her face turning red.

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>Serena will fall into the same void as Misty and virtually every other Pokegirl companion ever never to be seen or relevant again
Well. At least Mallow's cute.

>>27955708
Serena interacts with him fine on most occasions. It's only when her feelings are brought up, she gets uncomfortable. But people have commented on how pretty she is, she should have no issue confessing to Ash.

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Will Mallow win the Ash?

guys, op made the thread when the other thread was on page 6 and barely 2/3rds the way to the image limit. why are we all just taking this and not saying anything??

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>>27955636
Perfect i'll use it for the next thread thanks anon

>>27955761
Nobody cares about the show anymore. Everything its just pure autism. Just enjoy whats left of this shitshow

>Expecting something from this piece of shit.
No, stop, don't do this to yourselves, guys. It isn't worthy.

>>27955761

WHAT'S THE POINT ANYMORE ASH LOST THE LEAGUE

Don't blame Greninja. Just blame writers.
Writers has screwed up Ash and Greninja, and let them lose in the finals.

Well.. Ash-Greninja is the key to save Kalos Region from Team Flare, not winning the League.

>>27955778
>>27955779
>being this mad

SB laughs at you
Disgusting vermin

Why is Bonnie the best character in the anime ever?

>>27955761
It don't matter. None of this matter.

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>"amourshipping"
>grown men believe this will happen
>in a long running kid's cartoon

>Pikachu
>Rowlet
>Litten
>Popplio
>Pikipek
>???

Assuming no chicken, Ash's SM team is looking preeeetty shit atm tb.h

>>27955788
*have screwed

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>>27955636

>>27955804
What was the point of it?

>>27955809
Who cares?

>>27955636

The first part: That's debatable and all based on taste.
The second part: Fine.
The third part: The whole point of putting "Never give up until the very end" is to satisfy ALL spectrums of autism. It satisfies amourshippers because of never giving up, it satisfies neutrals by pacifying the amourshippers, and it satisfies haters because they know Serena is leaving and telling people to not give up will make the tears that much saltier at the end.

Saying "Dreaming doesn't cost a thing" slaps amourshippers in the face by automatically assuming it's just a dream. Whether you believe it to be a dream or not is irrelevant as amourshippers will use it as an excuse to derail the thread with comments about the copypasta.

Leave questions 2 and 3 in the copypasta alone. You can change 1 if you want to.

>>27955636

Nah

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There are people in this thread RIGHT NOW that actually think amour has a chance of happening or that Serena will confess at all.

>>27955835
It's a marketing gimmick.

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>/padt/'s new banner.

I CRIED SO HARD

I LOST IT ALL

BECAUSE IN THE END

__ _______ ____ ______

You faggots sound like a broken Linkin Park record.....

>>27955788
>Well.. Ash-Greninja is the key to save Kalos Region from Team Flare

Did we really need this plot point? Ash ends up saving regions without a prophecy anyway. There's a reason no one gives a shit about the TF arc, it's because it's a fucking given evil team arcs will end with them losing. You can write the plot in your head, no matter how tragic you make it.

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Will we ever get a Main Girl as God Tier as Dawn ever again?

>>27955845
millefeui is dead (again)

>>27955840
I don't see anyone satisfied by the way the anime is being handled.

>>27955845

IT'S THAT BLUE-HAIRED GIRL AGAIN, OF ALL PLACES!

Can someone post a gif or link to the scene where Serena is disgusted at Ash or is that a meme?

>>27955879

One episode a bad series does not make anon.

>>27955879
When you get down to it its the same outcome of the end of every saga. Ash always loses the league. It doesn't matter how it happens, its just does.

>>27955879

1. I'm not talking about the anime. I'm talking about the copypasta. Everyone is just fine with the change in the copypasta's question section except for the amourshipper deniers who, instead of leaving it neutral, want to puke on amourshippers thus turning the thread into a useless war.

2. The rational people are waiting to see how the Flare arc plays out before making a final judgment. The little kids are saying nothing matters and are just posting for the sake of attention.

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>>27955788
I've already seen Ash and Co save the world countless times before. I don't need to see it again.

>>27955896

You clearly have no idea what good writing is, anon.

>>27955749
No. I honestly hope she doesn't even try.
My heart's been beaten enough these past few days

>>27955896
Yes, in one episode all went to fucking shit. It is taht bad. fuck the hacks writing this garbage. And fuck the executives for pimping up the Mary Alan Sue.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Based Director a huge Pokemon fan before he got the job?

You know he wanted Ash to win. He must have been forced into it by higher-ups. No matter how hard this is for us, it's gotta be agonizing for the one guy who could've made it happen.

I feel so fucking sorry for that man.

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>>27955908

The funny part is that Ash NEVER defeated Pokémon Hunter J or Cyrus. In fact, Cyrus ACCOMPLISHED HIS GOAL of going to the alternate dimension. J had to be taken out by the combined power of three legendaries.

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>that look in Goodra's face as it's about to get GUILLOTINED

Fucking fags, if you're so afraid of losing, why the fuck won't you join me and my followers?

Is it really part of your part going down with the ship?

Fucking fags, you're supposed to side with the winning team.

You complain about the anime's mantra "winning it isn't all that matters and losing it's okay"
But you are mad that Ash lost, and you want to win the amour war.
I doesn't make sense,
Shipping has blinded you
Maybe you all deserve to drown in your own stupidity

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So a day after the Anime aired I noticed this...

Coincidence?

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>>27955896
The difference here is that this episode was THE EPISODE. And they shat in all the Saga in just 30 minutes.

>>27955896
Well, when you view the experience as a whole, generally no. However, it's a fact that a bad enough episode can sour the whole experience (for virtually any show) if its integral enough to the core experience. For many, this is one of those cases since it turns everything that came before into a sort of farce narratively-speaking.

Hell, Kuma Miko last season basically fared the same.

>>27955908
You must be looking forward to Alola then. No more Ash beating gyms, no more league, Team Skull is just a bunch of punks. It's going to be very different.

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>>27955944

>>27955954
You seriously think the anime has any affect on Nintendo stock?

More likely Pokemon Go or the dismal Wii-U sales are affecting their stock.

>>27955923
>Based director.
There's nothing based about him. Fuck him.

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>>27955944
Almost as good as Alan's face when he realized he would get BTFO by the ass big red shuriken.......almost

>People acting all high and mighty over the shittiest writing this side of Naruto.
You are so cool and mature, guys.

>>27955923
>>27955984

Stupid pieces of shit...
how many times do I have to repeat it?
The ones with the final word are the execs
The writers are only employees obeying orders

Stupid delusional cretins

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Short of Cyrus coming in riding on Palkia reversing time, is there ANYTHING they can do to fix this mess?

Anything at all?

>>27956022
inb4 a barrage of comments of "no" and "just give up, what's the point anymore"

>>27955964
Now all that needs to happen is Ash getting cucked, which will probably happen in the Flare arc.

>>27956022
Give it a heartfelt ending. Hopefully by then, all of the losers that are bitter about the last episode will leave and shut up.

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Why did Greninja lose..?

>>27955501
>Charizard was barely even affected by this absurd attack

Probably the most absurd part of the whole thing. If it had been a draw or even just a close match it wouldn't have been so shitty, but Charizard basically shrugged this thing off like it wasn't a problem.

>>27956021
Keep eating shit, faggot.
>>27956022
NOTHING. Well, maybe the staff killing themselves on camera.

>>27956021
I hope the execs responsible get fucked for this decision. They had the whole fucking world cheering Ash on and they ruined it all.

>>27955964
>>27955955

Unfortunately, Ash v. Alain isn't the climax of XYZ. It merely set up Team Flare's arc. Using the League FINALS is scumbaggy as shit, but I can only imagine the butthurt there would be if Ash won and he still got that 10 or so minutes of ceremony before the Flare shits things up.

But hey, I'll eat my words with dignity if the next arc doesn't justify to a satisfactory degree why they gave Alain character development at Ash and (mostly) Greninja's expense.

>>27956020
>people sitting in a thread about a series they hate and saying "fuck this series" for two days straight
So are you :^)

>>27955274
Will she actually do something action-waifu-y?

>>27955362
Dawn was the queen of high-flying, acrobatic action girl moments out of the female traveling companions (Iris doesn't count because she's garbage). I can only hope Chicken approaches that level of awesome.

>>27956039
Because the executives love Edgyzard and Gary Stu with a scarf.

>>27956048
Even if I eat shit for all eternity that wouldn't change the fact I'm right

Stupid delusional salty piece of shit

>>27956061
I don't think there would've been any real issue if ash won and the city got fucked ten minutes later. No one actually cares about the ceremony or him getting a trophy, people just want him to get that W.

Don't know why everyone is so mad when it's obvious Flare rigged the match. Alain will realize he was played like a damn fiddle and try to concede the victory to Ash after he saves the day, but he'll refuse. They'll then have a private face-off, Charizard versus Greninja, and Ash will win that, and be satisfied knowing his best was better than Alain's.

Still a shit ending.

>>27956121
>Riggedfags

Just stop.

>>27956121
Don't delude yourself. It will end with Alan being perfect and saving the day and everybody will love and name Saint ALan King of the Universe.

>>27955954
Look at its 52 week range to see how healthy it's really doing mate. Actually, look at the huge jump from July from ~15k up to ~30k. Holy shit. Was that due to GO? There was a constant sell-off after it reached 30k and I heard some news it's because people found out that it's not really in charge of GO so people bailed. Fucking hilarious.

I think it'll go around to the same level as the pre-GO boost now that people are bailing ever since they realized its relation to GO.

>>27956069
>Will she actually do something action-waifu-y?

We don't even know when it takes place anon. Or what Serena is doing.

>>27956061
>but I can only imagine the butthurt there would be if Ash won and he still got that 10 or so minutes of ceremony before the Flare shits things up.
Are you kidding? That would've been hype as fuck. Having a new huge threat right after the league would just be cranking it up from 10 to 11. Then you could have had KALOS LEAGUE CHAMP SATOSHI fighting Flare at full power, which is waaaaay fucking cooler than the Kalos League runner up getting crucified for no cohesive reason.

>>27956069
Dawn was a female co-star, that's why.

Unless the writers do the co-star thing again, no female will ever get as much screentime as Dawn ever again.

>>27956121
>it's obvious Flare rigged the match
Hahaha you can't make this shit up. How fucking much in denial can you be?

No fuck you
You don't deserve any kind of mercy
You didn't show me any and I'm sure as hell you wouldn't show me any if the roles were reversed

You deserve to be salty forever, your tears will make a new dead sea

Fucking pieces of shit

>>27956121
Didn't Adamant BTFO you enough yesterday?

>>27956022
Give the Team Flare arc a satisfactory conclusion.
Bring Serena along to Alola or at least give their relationship closure.
Have characters treat Ash with the respect he deserves after whatever he does in the Flare arc and for his runner-up placement in the league.

Get all three of those and I'll feel satisfied.

>>27955975
Hey stocks and investors are a fickle thing so I would not be surprised. Pokemon Go is already getting some backlash, especially with the way Niantic has been running it the last couple of weeks or so. Ash winning could have been that feel good moment that would make people still love pokemon, instead the saltiness levels are turned up to 11. Seriously having Ash lose clean was the worst idea they could have done; now the backlash is going insane and if they don't fix it then I worry it might even effect sales of Pokemon Sun and Moon since people might still be feeling jaded. Since Pokemon is pretty much Nintendo's only major title this year, that will hurt sales and therefore hurt stock.

>>27956159
This. Shit would've been hype as fuck if they went with that. It's fucking incredible how they had virtually everything lined up for an incredible finish to XY and this one ep just ruined everything.

I have this odd feeling that despite everyone saying they'll drop the anime, the anime's rating will get a HUGE boost this Thursday.

Remember: All publicity is good publicity, even negative publicity.

If they fail to deliver in the next episode, however, they WILL be a massive downturn.

>Crucifyng Ash.
Even Alan's fanboys must admit they have gone too far this time. It's huge fuck you to all the loyal viewers that were hoping the anime had improved after years of a slow, painful decay. And they do this.
they are evil, little, petty mean evil Nips.

>>27956121
>the match was rigged wahhh wahhh wahh

Stupid delusional piece of shit
I pity you
I'd spit in your face if given the chance

>>27956178
I'll be honest, after this bullshit I'm actually looking forward to the potential damage control shitstorm on the horizon.

ASH WILL CATCH CRABRAWLER AND IT'LL HAVE A RIVALRY WITH LUCHA WHEN IT GOES TO OAK'S

>>27956197
I don't dislike Ash by any means, he should've won a long time ago.
I dislike the idea behind Ash needing Ash-Greninja and Ash's most rabid fanboys.

>>27956186
I'm being serious, imbecile, I won't be watching it anymore. I'm here shitting on it because I have been shitting rage for three days straights. I also gave up on the games or anything Pokemon related.

>>27956186
Anime's ratings during the Kalos league weren't even that great. Ash Vs. Alan part 1 only got a 2.0 in ratings, and that was when people believed he would win.

>coming back to the dub for the first time in like 15 years
Why did they cast this guy as James, he's awful

Is Jesse's actress the same? Sounds the most accurate of all the characters

>>27956233
I hope it goes into negative numbers.

>>27956233
So basically, if this keeps up, the show will go into the shitter before he even has a chance to win a proper league.

>>27956220
Pathetic scum
Then what the fuck are you doing here?
GTFO of my board, and never ever return
I'd spit in your fucking face If I had the chance, salty asshole

>>27956186
It's not going to affect the ratings. The people that started watching when the league started and the people that are dropping it now... none of them were actually affecting the rating itself. TV ratings represent a wide selection of Japanese normalfags, and they weren't the ones being mad on the Internet.

>>27956172
Adamant said Malva's line wasn't ominous, just a normal comment.

The strongest evidence of Flare interference is Lysandre not giving a fuck that there was a never-before-seen power that could fuck up his plans if it beat his ultimate pawn.

>>27956241
Buddy, nobody cares. Pokemon ded.

>>27956233
>only got a 2.0 in ratings
>only

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>>27956186
This isn't the 90's anymore, people can read comments before they watch something now. I'm sure some will watch it for closure's sake, but if none of those watchers bring good tidings people will stay with the drop.

So is Shudo still influencing the making and directing of the anime to this day?

>>27956260
Fuck you, I will be here voicing my rage till I decide to stop. Who the fuckn do you think you are, faggot.

>>27956262
Jesus fucking Christ
Are you really this DESPERATE and DELUSIONAL?

>>27956241
>watching the dub

>>27956273
Fun fact: Literally not a single person that reads comments before watching something has any influence on the ratings at all. Ratings reflect how many watched it live, and you can read comments on episodes that haven't aired yet.

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Let's say for one second TCPi loses its mind and literally remakes the entire episode. In Japan, we have Ash losing the league, and in America, we have Ash winning the league.

Would that send the Internet into mass chaos?

Goddammit, the show apologists are going off the deep end this time. Yes buddies, the show is fine, everything is perfect, ignore the flames and the smoke, and the screams. everything is just perfect.

>>27956336
You seem upset

>>27956330
I literally don't think there would be anything wrong with letting him win the league. It doesn't seem like it would affect the short-term plot that much since it would still lead directly into Flare regardless.

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>>27956216
This. Considering that he has those overpowered lizards, inferape and an arsenal of more experienced pokemon.

Best team my ass. He has an arsenal of old pokemon that could be trained and easily get more experience.

>>27956170
Fag.

>>27956289
Someone superior to you piece of shit
That's me,
I'm fucking stale fucking mother fucking baiter

And I earned my right to spit in your face and tell your kind to fuck off this board forever.

>>27956344
You sir, are quite perceptive.

>>27956180
I don't understand why they would make Ash lose the league and then drain his fucking life force right after that? Do the writers just not give a fuck about Ash's character and showing it respect?

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watching the filler islands atm and damn i didnt know pokemon had this much tiddie

If the trend continues Sun/Moon will have lower ratings than XY. I imagine the 2's will be standard for pokemon next gen, whereas the 3's-4's were for XY. Hard to believe BW got between the 5's and 6's most of the time.

>>27956241
>Why did they cast this guy as James, he's awful
That's the guy who writes the dub, the one word responsible for absolutely everything wrong with it. He insists on voicing James himself. He's human garbage.

>>27956357
Go to Hell, turbofaggot.

>>27956348
>Charizard is in middle
>on a Gen3 OP
people, wake up. Ash isn't going without Zard and Pikachu. Believing that the Kalos team despite the fact that Ash's #2 pokemon is not present, is stupid.

Just give up on this anime and watch better, more meaningful anime

>>27956357
Fag.

>>27956367
It's all about Alan now.

>>27956336
No, I wanted the show to go in this precise direction

I'm pretty happy, thank you, and I'm actually enjoying the show very much. Unlike salty pieces of shit like you

I spit in you, fucking manchild who is angry because his childhood hero didn't win

wah wah wah

Do you hear it?
That's you delusional imbecile
A man close to it's 30s crying and ranging over a fucking cartoon directed to 10 year olds to buy merchandise

Pathetic
Utterly
P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C

>>27956385
Like what?

>>27956409
>Trying too hard: the Post.

>>27956291
>Are you really this DESPERATE and DELUSIONAL?
YES, YOU SHITPOSTING FAGGOT, I AM.

I HAVE AROUND 140 EPISODES WORTH OF HYPE-TURNED-RAGE, AND BY GOD, I'M GOING TO USE IT.

>>27956373
>Le ratings meme
Weren't you leaving, Scott?

>>27956348
Yes, I'm sure Bayleef would've made the difference.
And we would've surely seen Primeape come back for sure

Why is this thread so negative? I'd rather see people flooding this place with Serena pics than listen to this shit.

>>27956447
It all went to Hell.

>>27956447
It's not gonna end till Thursday.
And even then it'll be slightly better, or somehow worse.

>>27956447
It's pretty positive compared to most other places. At this point I'm fairly sure it's just 4 or 5 autismos sitting there sperging out and writing mad replies to every other non-negative post they see

>>27956447
Ash lost yet another league, probably meaning Ash will never be allowed to win a league because of the idiotic logic behind the Pokemon anime execs and their insistence on sending terrible messages to children.

Amour is next to be doomed.

>>27956426
I don't give a shit mate

You don't even imagine how much I dreamed for this moment to arrive

I am using every GODDAMN second to mock you, I'm not going to leave you in peace until the series end

I EARNED MY FUCKING RIGHT TO SPIT IN YOUR FACES

>>27956427
wah wah wah

My childhood hero didn't win
boo boo
pls daddy make the bad guy go away and make the writers reconect the finals!

PITIFUL

>>27956437
yeah. whatever. Despite ash saying that his Kalos team is the best team he had. It's sadly not true. His past powerhouses have done more than Greninja for a start.

And again, even if anyone does not agree, it's a fact that Ash's best incarnation is his Hoenn/Sinnoh incarnation:
>BTFO's Legendaries
>Won Battle Frontier
>Wins against Rival

>>27956481
lol

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is this best girl??

>>27956475
>It's pretty positive compared to most other places.
Really? If this is positive, I don't want to see the negative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Pw3tzEuq3E

>Anyone of these mons replacing Goodra would've helped out.

>>27956479
Well no shit, that happend 5 times before how retarded are you that it took you this long to see a pattern?

FUCK EVERYTHING.

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>>27956039
It was likely an executive decision that the new anime staff probably tried to fight and the best they got out of it was basically giving the two episodes to the old staff who everyone shat on back in BW.

Some filthy ugly dumbass number crunching gook with a preconceived notion made the decision.

My god, I'd love to beat him to death. Can you imagine how soul crushing that is for the animators and the writers? That the story they've worked so hard to write and animate gets fucking castrated because some fat ugly balding piece of shit gook fucker thinks kids won't watch the cartoon anymore if Ash wins.

>>27956511
Ash himself could've jumped onto the field, replaced goodra, and put more of a dent into bisharp than that useless fuck did.

>>27956511
Did I just see Butterfree and Pidgeot in that intro?

Let's see if I have this correct.

>People who have watched from the start
Mad, but used to it. Mostly resigned.
>People who used to watch it, dropped it, then came back for XY
Absolutely fucking livid, betrayed as fuck, will never not be mad
>People who just got into it for XY without seeing anything else
Confused and disappointed, but not invested enough to shit fury
>Bandwagon fags who only tuned in for the league
Actually think Alan deserved it because he was fighting for Manon, but don't realize he was living his life incorrectly and needed his illusions shattered. Usually shut up when presented with evidence.
>Shitposters
Glad Ash lost just to spite people

Does that about cover it?

>>27956531
>My god, I'd love to beat him to death.
Man, I almost feel bad for /padt/, if there are any non-autistic fans here anyway.

>>27956544
Yeah, that's quite accurate.

>>27956538
Yes, they included Ash's released pokemon in the old AG openings

>>27956544
Yes, that covers your heavy bias quite well.

>>27956039
didn't jumped

ASH'S A TEAM

Pikachu
Charizard
Infernape
Sceptile
Snorlax
Krookodile

The other five Pokemon could have actually done enough ground work for the PikaGod so it could defeat Charizard X

>>27956545
People are killed for far stupider reasons than ruining cartoons. I feel that's unfair and that to balance out the universe it's totally justified for someone to die over it.

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>>27956487
I'm 90% sure this is all nostalgia wank but that really doesn't matter.

It doesn't what Pokemon Ash on his team or what feats they've done. It doesn't matter if he stacked competently or not. Ash would've lost because that's how it is, that's how it'll always be. No exceptions

>>27956544
Yeah, that's about right. I'm in the second category (dropped during BW and came back with XY) and I want the execs behind this decision fucking dead and their legacy disgraced.

How many of you went back to watch the Orange Island championship battle as a form of catharis after Jobberfrog lost?

>>27956544
I think the people that came back for XY and actually watched XY for its run are mostly resigned too. It's largely the people that came in for the league that are piss mad.

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>>27956544
That's about right.

>>27956563
There's always the possibility of a massive earthquake destroying Japan.

>these toonami general cucks who insist that Kingler/Muk/Charizard/some other OS shitmon are Ash's strongest mons and he would have won the Kalos league with them

>>27956584
I would've been resigned if not for the fifteen eps hyping up jobber frog, and especially if not for the fucking ep of jobber frog putting DIANTHA on the fucking defensive. Currently, I'm just livid regarding the show itself.

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One month ago.

One month ago, I posted a rational argument as to why automatically believing Ash was winning was stupid. I got called names, yelled at to leave, and pretty much thrown off a cliff for even putting the idea out that ASH WOULDN'T NOT WIN.

And now, I've been drinking in the delicious, nutritious, sea salt tears people have been crying for the past three days now.

I told you.

I told ALL of you.

And now, I'm going to tell you again: If you don't watch the series until the end of the Flare arc at LEAST, you will regret it.

But don't take my word for it. Just stop watching now. Then, when "it" happens near the end of the 1-hour special, you'll see. Screencap my post again if you have to.

You'll see...EVERYONE will see.....

Any sub groups that use the english pokemon names? I can find english attacks, but not pokemon names. Even if they're crappier subs I don't particularly mind. I'm not watching for the riveting writing.

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>>27956587
I don't want all of Japan destroyed. I just want those business gooks nuked and raped. I have plenty of non-shitty elevens who make good stuff I'd rather not see dead

>>27956563
what the fuck is the point of making these, it doesnt matter what pokemon he has, hell he could have brought a fucking gun and just shot his opponent and he would have managed to still lose because THATS HOW ITS WRITTEN.

>>27956518
What's the point in having a main character never succeed?

>>27956599
nice photoshop bruh :^)

>>27956599
Why do you type like an autistic ten year old?

>>27956601
No.

People were so mad the first day, they outright curse the anime staff. And seeing these threads, the rage is still going on. Man, the producers have gather a lot of negativity.

>>27955799
Because she's the one I had the lowest expectations of.

I fully expected Max 2.0 or other annoying child character cliché and instead we've got a genki qt that was surprisingly well behaved for her age.

>>27956621
You answered your own question, pal.

>>27956624
Fuck off, Scott.

>>27956618

https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/27300071/#27301863

>>27956601
Just watch it raw if you don't care what's being said.

>>27956627
Its probably because Bonnie's personality is written the same way as any of the main girls. She's not really dumbed down despite being younger.

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You guys do realize that literally every single remaining XY&Z episode has already been drawn, colored, and animated already, right?

fucking fools

since when did people stop linking new threads on the previous threads

>>27956564
well, not really. I seriously think that if the there's another league in Kanto, he'll win it. Especially if the old mons are coming back.

>>27956680
It was linked, anon.

>>27956599
Man I've tried to make these people reason for TWO years
And they won't fucking learn

It's like they actually want their heads getting bashed into the rock of reality, again and again

Screw them, they deserve no pity

They earned every ounce of suffering they are getting

>>27956675

Why is that tiny bit of her legs showing SO HOT

>>27956690
im the fucking fool then

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>>27956675
Should we be in panic?

>>27956599
It was the build up. Everybody felt like he could do it.

>>27956697
You need to get laid anon

>>27956675
Whats your point?

>>27956675
So what? I'm not gonna watch that shit anymore.

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>>27956697

The way the red coat surrounds them on both sides, the pink skirt on the top, and the stockings on the bottom gives the legs laser focus. Not only that, but one of her legs is lifting up slightly making it so inviting. Her above expression of surprise gives it the implication that she just wet herself, meaning at any moment, you might see some delicious juices dripping down her leg as you imagine the leg that's slightly lifting up twitching in excitement.

>>27956709
>It was the build up

You haven't watch enough anime, m8

>>27956691
the mere fact that they had to create "Ash's other strongest pokemon because we already have a Charizard on the league competing" is point number one why he wouldn't have won.


The only way Ash wins is if the League is going to feature his Kanto team once again; and before that, Butterfree and Pidgeot return.

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>>27956697
Because it's Grade A ZR

>>27956599
All the Amoufags are gone too. Seems they don't want to admit they could end up being wrong too.

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>>27956737

>>27956583
Actually it just pisses me off more.
Orange Isle are was just a shit filler arc to keep ash chances of wining an actual Pokemon league conference from disappearing altogether.
What pisses me off is that the writers might have Ash win whatever non-league Aloha region is going to be, and no one will care because it doesn't count and the series will still be shit on.
The part I think this seems to get everyone's gall is that there is no silver lining for Ash this arc because of how poorly they wrote this loss
In previous tourneys, Ash usually lost but at least got some moral victory, like beating some asshole rival even if he did not win the tourney.
Hell, there are even ways you could have wrote him losing that would have not caused so much fan rage.

>>27956766
>The only way Ash wins is if the League is going to feature his Kanto team once again

This is the dumbest assumption ever, I'd rather it be like DP where it was all-stars getting spotlight.

>>27956647
God this place is awful.

I'm fucking done watching the show after that nonsense, but I plan on sticking around /padt/ a little longer to see what happens in case of a miracle. Also you fags are the only ones who truly appreciate how butthurt I am.

Anyone in the same boat?

>>27956806
get outta here already

Well ladies
It's time for my beauty sleep

Delusional fags
plz try not being such pathetic
okay?

xoxo
Sb

>>27956806
yep.

>>27956797
>not wanting a fully evolved Kanto team sans pikachu to win the league.

What's wrong with you?

>>27956806
If you're sticking around just to shitpost I don't think anyone's really appreciating that.

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I still don't get how the Alola arc won't be Orange Islands 2.0.

How can they prevent this?

>>27956806
Yes. I'm not going to watch the show, but I want to hear news of it crashing and burning.
I understand your rage, anon. XY was a beautifull thing and those bastards kill it. I wish I could do the staff a re enactment of the Saint Valentine's Massacre.

>>27956849
no leagues. BF 2.0 might happen where Ash wins and he's going to use his whole arsenal again.

>>27956836
>Kanto team

Because Ash has just as good pokemon outside of Kanto? Either show of mon from every era or don't bother.

>>27956849
What are the challenges in Alola? 4 island captains, evil team, probably some sort of champion? That may last 2 years at most in the anime.

>>27956836
The Kanto team is special for being the original, but to have that team be the one to win it all would be somewhat of an insult to everything that came since. The ideal league would have a moment for all of ash's heavy hitters to shine, not just the gen 1 stuff. Basically like how DP handled it.

>>27956849
The Alola arc IS Orange Island 2.0, and no one will care, worse it will hurt sales of sun and moon because people will think it's a cheaper version of the pokemon league, rather than the cool new beach adventure it was supposed to be.

Just curious, how old are some of you that are raging? If you guys are only in your early 20's I don't see what the big deal is. For most of us pushing 30 its a lot harder to invest in another arc.

>>27956737
Did you know scientists conducted some chemical analysis and found that the "juices" you're talking about is actually, chemically, pee?

Yeah.

>>27956849
I think they shouldnt make it 100% about battling, but then again if they keep just making it an advertisement for the games that wont happen, but have ash actually do vacation shit with the battling, also have team rocket die in a plane crash. Fuck those faggots.

>>27956845
I'm not shitposting at all, but I'm not watching any further episodes.

>>27956888
>It will hurt sales.
Let's hope it does.

>>27956849
Orange Islands was great though. Unique, with some excellent character driven episodes, developing Charizard, Team Rocket, the unique gym challenges.

It wasn't a 'real region' but it was a good season.

Left a present for you, autistic discussion general

https://archive.nyafuu.org/vp/thread/27870128/

>>27956906
You are demanding too much from these hacks.

Are other parts of the Internet as salty as us? let's spread the misery.

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>>27955849
>not this

>>27956964
Serebii, Bulbagarden, twitter, tumblr, reddit, and TVtropes as well as neogaf all had the same backlash.

I know because I'm lurking all of them right now.

>>27956986
Fuck off, Scott.

>>27956157
We do know. Watch the preview in the OP.

>>27956531
The writers for XY are the same as BW. Do your homework next time, anon.

>>27956975
This wouldn't have happened with Numa Pompillio.

>>27956894
24. Played Pokemon religiously since Blue, loved the old show, dropped it around AG and picked it back up after some anon from here showed me Citron's gym battle.

I've been invested in Pokemon literally my whole life. Gen 6 games were a big letdown, and it was only the anime that kept me interested and active with the franchise these last few years.

Now that all of XY has been tarnished, it's like my lifeline to Pokemon has been cut and I'm left here feeling like I've wasted my whole goddamn life liking this shit. It's horrifying.

>>27956927
Maybe if it resulted in some actual growth in the long run, but after 20 years, now it just seems like this cynical bid to keep fans interested by giving Ash a W only when it doesn't count.

Seriously, it's like WWE if Daniel Bryan didn't go to Wrestlemania 30. Horrible backlash that will be felt a long time.

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It's a rigged system folks. No matter how good ash gets the animators will snub him

>>27957005
You can tell who came in during the league by whether or not they believe that "they brought back the BW staff" meme or not.

>>27957056
You're accusing the wrong people. The animators wanted him to win and are upset too.

>>27957030
That's kinda my point. If you dropped the show more than 12 years ago, and only came back around the Citron Gym...you only been watching the anime for 2 years regularly again. That's not a huge time wasted.

Some of us have been watching regularly the whole way through, or since AG/DP for 8 years before XY. That's time wasted.

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>>27956849
>Implying Orange Islands was bad

It has easily the best battle in the series. And Ash was actually allowed to win for once. How can you hate the orange islands? They even made sure Brock wasn't around to bring it down.

>>27957071
Links or it didn't happen.

>>27957030
are you me?
I have almost the same story except I picked Pokemon Red

Also I'm still really excited about SM, shitty writers for the anime deciding to keep the show shitty doesn't impact the quality and enjoyment of the games.

>>27956986
It killed all the interest the anime had gathered all these months.

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>>27956554
What are you saying? There it is, the shitposting category for people like you.

>>27957030
If you aren't hyped for SM, and say that the entire franchise has been ruined because of some shitty anime, you didn't like Pokémon in the first place.

>>27957071
Dose anyone actually know who's idea it was that Ash loses? I keep hearing that it was executives, or the writers, animators, the director, etc. Seriously, who thought it was a good idea, or at the very least who's idea was it to make Ash lose in such a garbage way?

>>27956894
24 reporting in. Though I was born in Japan so I was watching this shit raw while in pre-school. I bawled like a bitch when he lost his first league so easily.

And I almost punched a wall this time.

>>27957037
maybe if they portrayed the side-events like BF and Orange League to have great importance, we wouldn't have this same problem.

but really, it has been 10 years since Ash won BF. Literally 1/6 isn't even a good league win pct; this is why it has to sting for people.


However, if you have been following his progression from Kanto-Kalos, I'd say he's close to winning.

I'd just like to blame those people who overhyped things. There was no chance Ash was going to win the league in a league that didn't feature his former pokemon sans pikachu. I came to the expectation that Flare would've interrupted before the battle ended. But seriously, Ash will not clinch the league without a team that doesn't feature both his Charizard and Pikachu.

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>>27956964
I'm bit surprised westerns are showing this level of salty. Did this season really got so many people back to the anime? Japan got over the autistic rage but there's still dissapointment and sadness. All dat cute fanart of champ ash lost in the rain.

>>27956822
Fag

>>27957174
>All dat cute fanart of champ ash lost in the rain.
I wanna see some of this stuff.

>>27957136
In my case, I get into the games thanks to the cartoon. Ash has a place in my herat, and watching being beaten by some Mary sue, and then crucified, it's too much, too much. I can't stand it.

>>27957144
Highest people at tpc i think, all they care about is the anime showing off things to come in the new game, they dont give a fuck about ash.

>>27957192
wait, I read that sentence wrong, nevermind.

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>>27957144
The most likely contenders are the producers, so these three guys.

>>27957105
>That's kinda my point.
I think you're missing ours. True, we weren't watching it all the way up until now, a lot of us stopped at a certain age then picked it up again later. But because we grew up with it and loved it as kids, we're still plenty attached to it, so it's still going to piss us off when we have to watch Ash fail again.

Your childhood sticks with you.

>>27957106
As I said before, on it's own the orange islands was not a bad arc same with Battle Saffari. It's the fact that we seem to have no growth out of it that makes it bad. Ash has not won an official pokemon league ever. Hell this was the first time he ever got to the finals, and narrativly there is no reason for him to lose and plenty reasons for him to win.

>>27957174
>The Japs got over it.
Fucking spineless nips.

>>27957114
Here's one of the animators talking about it.
https://twitter.com/aoshi11/status/766241482881638400
https://twitter.com/aoshi11/status/766575842776322049
https://twitter.com/aoshi11/status/766576856334163968

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>>27957136
>If you aren't hyped for SM, and say that the entire franchise has been ruined because of some shitty anime, you didn't like Pokémon in the first place.
Holy shit, you are one pretentious faggot. We're allowed to like and hate it all we want, you don't like it "better" than we do.

Well if the S/M anime has him take down a Legendary and win something. I'd watch it.

>>27957227
Agreed, but again its not that bad. Some of us went through this at the end of AG or DP already, then the BW regression...and then into XY.

That's dating back to 2002/2003...so that's more than a decade and a half. Just coming back for mid-way into XY and watching from there isn't that much "time wasted," you still enjoyed XY along the way, right?

>>27957247
Has any other person involved in the anime has came out to say anything? I bet the staff think they made a masterpiece. Nips are like that.

>>27957287
Rica felt pretty sad about it.

>>27957283
The enjoyment of XY has been tainted. Seeing Ash mastering the synchro and overcoming all those difficulties, for hat? For nothing. Losing to Gary Stu. Fuck this shit world.

>>27957272
But he'll still lose the big competition in the end, so what's the point?

Pls no bully the narutoad

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>>27955274
I know i'm kinda late to this, but did we ever get those PokeTV segments Featuring Talonflame's Flame Body ability and Greninja's Tongue Length? Adamant mentioned them being subbed like 2 months ago.

>>27957252
So you don't like Pokémon?

>>27957318
>at the end.
They'll pace it like AG, have the league first, have him lose by the slimmest of margins; then have him BTFO Legendaries on a Side-Event tourney

Alan's Character Song fucking when?

How many nukes will take to make enter some sense to those fucking Gooks?

>>27957105
I'm not contesting that. You have every right to be more upset than me about the show wasting your time.

But the time investment is not what's pissing me off. I enjoyed the ride at the time, and that's fine. The thing is, I left because I thought it would never change. You kept watching even though you must have known it wouldn't change. You must understand that the betrayal of being lured back under false pretenses hurts in a different way than the way you're hurting. You should not belittle that.

>>27957331
You must've misunderstood something I said, anon. We've only subbed three of them so far. More are coming but we need to wait for reruns before we can do them, so they're going to stay a bit behind the normal sub releases.

>>27957356
I actually expected XY to be paced like AG because I expected another 4 year series. So the league ending now but I thought we would get another year.

>>27957394
Why do you waste time and effort on that damn piece of shit?

>tfw Ash losing triggered my depression
>I was having a good week
>tfw it's another month of gloom

>>27957317
I get the feeling Ash and Alan will battle again in the Flare arc. We'll probably see Greninja beat Charizard there. As long as we get to see it beaten once I'm satisfied.

>>27957117
SM still looks good and I'll still play it, for sure, but my excitement has died. I was ready for the anime to direct all this hype towards the new generation, but now it feels like I just got done with a funeral.

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>>27957394
Sorry Adamant-kun. My recent rage and disappointment probably made me Mis-remember the actual statement. How long does it take for reruns? So i can get an idea of how long it will take for them to appear.

>>27957416
I want all of Kalos to see Alain get BTFO so they know Ash > Alain.

>>27957416
You know that won't happen, right? Alan Stu is perfect, unbeatable, powered by shitty writing.

>>27957416
>yfw Ash beats Allain with His own Charizard, Unevolved; but with Z-moves

>>27957136
I'm still going to play Sun and Moon and probably have a fucking great time, but for right now, everything that let me keep enjoying Pokemon for the past two years has gone up in smoke.

Why did Malva replace Alexa?

>Ash's charzard comes back from Oak's
>they synchronize
>beats Zagradite

>>27957444
They were in the early 20s of XY&Z, so in a couple weeks to a month, I guess.

>>27957416
So like always, Ash only wins when it doesn't count.
I probably would not be mad at this idea if they made Alan a proper villain, but it's pretty obvious that at most he's going to be the "I don't want to fight you but I have to" kind of obstacle that doesn't really count because he's obviously not going to have his heart in it if he has to fight for team flare at this point.
Now if this whole arc actually turned Alain into the new reoccurring villain, that would at least be interesting.

>>27957458
Greninja is bound to get one last big episode of glory before XY ends. One last match against Mega Charizard is probably likely.

>>27957490
If this happens I'm going to cry tears of joy.

>>27957511
It will be against Lysandre most likely. Ash won't be beating Alain because he's overpowered because MUH MANON!!!

Before XYZ38
>Charizardfags BTFO all hail G00dra the Rambo and Ashninja

After XYZ38
>G00dra IS TRASH. ASHNINJA IS JOBBER! PLS COMEBACK LIZARDON!

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Taking bets on final flare arc matchups.

Citron vs flare admins occupying gym
Serena/Eureka on evacuation duty
Ash vs Zygarde
Alain vs Lysandre

seem like the most probable ones so far.

Alain was worse than Zoey. Even though we never saw Dawn beat Zoey, Zoey lost to May earlier on who then lost to Dawn.

>>27957607
Serena will likely be with Clemont. And she may even fall for him during that because the writers just consistently shit on Ash at the end of every region.

Alain is such a garbage character. They only need to give him a leather jacket, a gun and a motorcycle.

>>27957633
i thought you were going to sleep

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Opinions on non-lesbian Erika?

>>27957607
>Alan vs Lysandre
But that trailer showed Ash battling Lysandre, didn't it? Alan's sentai poses are qt btw My guess is that Alan won't join Ash's group until the Corrupt Zygarde rampage gets out of hand. He didn't try to stop the grunts from capturing Ash, and we do see him standing next to Lysandre before he wears that Doc Ock gear.

>>27957611
Its also the fact that Zoey was essentially a mentor to Dawn. It wasn't the type of rivalry where you had to see Dawn win since there was no animosity between the two.

Every antagonistic rival is beaten:

Gary, Paul, Trip

Drew, Harley, Ursula

etc.

Alan was the only one who wasn't.

Hello /padt/, I'm the faggola that asks for a pokenichi preview.