Pokémon Anime Discussion Thread

POKÉMON MOVIE SPECIAL SUBS:
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XY&Z17 POKETV SEGMENT SUBS:
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XY&Z36 SUBS:
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XY&Z37 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=839243

XY&Z38 RAW:
http://www.nyaa.se/?page=view&tid=841536

NEXT: POCKET MONSTERS XY&Z39: THE FLARE GANG ATTACKS! THE ZYGARDE AT THE PRISM TOWER!! (AUGUST 25TH)
>A Zygarde and lots of enormous plants suddenly appear. And as Satoshi, Pikachu and Alan attempt to get to the bottom of this mystery, the Flare Gang appear before them! And incredibly enough, their target is Satoshi...!

>Summary:
>Miare City is thrown into a huge panic when mysterious enormous plants attack. Satoshi, Pikachu and Alan head for the Prism Tower to find out the cause behind all this. But then the Flare Gang appear before them. Meanwhile, Fleur-de-lis starts telling the entire world about his ambitions...!

>Voice Cast:
>Rica Matsumoto: Satoshi
>Ikue Ohtani: Pikachu
>Mayuki Makiguchi: Serena
>Yuki Kaji: Citron
>Mariya Ise: Eureka
>Megumi Sato: Dedenne
>Megumi Hayashibara: Musashi
>Shinichiro Miki: Kojiro
>Inuko Inuyama: Nyarth
>Yuji Ueda: Sonansu
>Kensho Ono: Alan
>Mikako Komatsu: Manon
>Hiroshi Tsuchida: Platane
>Hideaki Tezuka: Fleur-de-lis
>Tsuguo Mogami: Xerosicy
>Fumiko Orikasa: Carne
>Anri Katsu: Tierno
>Minami Fujii: Trova
>Yurie Kobori: Sana
>Akeno Watanabe: Pachira
>Masako Katsuki: Gojika
>Chiemi Ishimatsu: Junsa
>Karin Nanami: Correa
>Rinko Natsuhi: Akebi
>Akane Fujita: Bara
>Kensuke Sato: Lizardon
>Kenta Miyake: Onvern
>Kiyotaka Furushima: Fiarrow
>Unsho Ishizuka: Narration

UPCOMING SHIT:

POKÉMON NO UCHI ATSUMARU? EPISODE 46 (Aug 21st)

XY&Z40: The Shocking Zygarde VS Zygarde! The Breaking World!! (Sep 1st)
>Clemont and the others decide to split into several groups in order to stop Team Flare's plans. Bonnie follows Squishy as it confronts Z2, which has transformed into its 50% Forme. But then the evil clutches of Team Flare strike! And just like Z2, Squishy also ended up getting controlled by Team Flare.

XY&Z41: Attack on Lumiose Gym! The Citroid Forever!! (Sep 8th)
>As he attempts to retake the Lumiose Gym, Clemont challenges Team Flare scientist Xerosic to a battle, staking their pride as scientists.

XY&Z -MOVIE VER.- (SATOSHI)
http://www.mediafire.com/download/6d63pkrvpvcqry3/XY%26Z_MOVIE_VER_%28Both_Sizes%29.zip

THE PIKACHU SONG (PIKACHU)
http://www.megafileupload.com/7hw9/The_Pikachu_Song.m4a

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA SOUNDTRACK
http://www.filedrop
per.com/movie19soundtrack

VOLCANION AND THE INGENIOUS MAGEARNA MANGA
CHAPTER 1: http://imgur.com/a/PAdz8
CHAPTER 2: http://imgur.com/a/cGC71
CHAPTER 3: http://imgur.com/a/l6bs1

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First for the Champ

Welcome to the anime equivalent of the Fall of Saigon.

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This is the future of the anime. Another reset BW 2.0 style. The writers seemed to have learned nothing from past mistakes.

Are you ready?

Reposting. How come Charizard looked more hurt by the double Aerial Ace combo than Sceptile did?

Is it normal to think the uppercut->axe kick is the tightest shit?

Favorite OP?

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>>27905873
>>Is this season good? I haven't watched the anime in [x] years and-
>Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.
>>Will Serena win da Ash?
>It sure looks that way.

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>there are people in this thread, GROWN MEN who will still unironically watch this show after this


All of you are pathetic

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Girls can't love girls!

Why do you still care? Let it burn.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j058sow3qfU

Did I do good, /padt/?

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>>27905939
>he said while posting on 4chin

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New Satoshi Form!!!!

death or exile

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>He knew

>>27905918
If we don't count anything from gen 6 I'd say these 2
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aDfKw5FcZFs
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PkU3XCx292o

>people expected ash to win

what is this nonsense? It's been 2 decades of him losing, why are you surprised they had him lose again? I mean, at least he got to the championship this time around.

Because he's the hero Kalos deserves, but not the one it needs right now. So, we'll hunt him, because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. A Zard Knight.

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>>27905953

>>27905950
do you work for tcpi?!

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>mfw Alain won

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Holy shit guys, the ride isn't over yet!

Ash losing this league gives me the same feeling as if your girlfriend was cheating on you and slept with another guy

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>>27905950
DONT YOU FUCKING TOY WITH MY HEART

for you

Clembot is going to die
Puni-chan and Z2 are going to sacrifice themselves
Amour might end badly
Blaziken Man might die
Manon suffers more

Why live?

>>27905950

Despite the choppy sound editing, that is far better than anything TCPi is going to do with that episode. Bravo.

>>27905873
>Is this season good? I haven't watched the aime in [x] years and-
Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.

change that, this season was bullshit

>>27905980
It's fucking over. Let it go.

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>Jettison some weight or I'll never make it to Pallet Town.

Astrotrain has requested that you lighten his burden. He is carrying every XY/XY&Z character who appeared in more than one episode across the last 131 episodes. This includes the Pokémon. At least 6 characters must be ejected in order to shed enough weight. They all weigh the same in space, so it makes no difference which 6 go.

Who do you nominate to leave? Your word is final. You can't choose yourself because you're not on board.

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>>27905873
>>27905953
>ASH IS A FUCKING C U C K
>SERENAFAGS WILL BE BTFO
>FUCK THIS """ANIME"""

>>27905950
HOW IN THE HELL DID YOU MAKE THAT

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>>27905873
>Yes, it's fucking good, just start watching it already.
>>Will Serena win da Ash?
>It sure looks that way.

>>27905950
someone should really post this link in all the other ash threads...

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POST YFW IT WAS ALL A RUSE

>>27905950
Good enough, sugar tits. Is there an edgezard with spiral eyes somewhere?

Loving the salty tears from the denial-ridden newfags who actually thought that Ash would win a real pokemon league or get together with a girl

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>there are patrons among you, ITT who are rationalizing and defending hack writing
>these same people will still watch this show and call you a fool for daring to think any good could come of it


Loving.
Every.
Laugh

>""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""xy is good""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

>>27905980
So Alan is Ash's father!
And manon's is mother it all make sense now.

>>27906041
I'd like to add that we should enjoy this booty-bothering while it lasts, because we're going to be dealing with the same exact autism in the next season with Mallow or whoever becomes the new """"love interest""""

>>27905953
>Implying Alain would get with that whore when he has a pure wife's smile to protect

>>27906041
Technically he still hasn't lost the girl.

>>27905994
Alan gets arrested and gives his elite 4 challenge to ash who decides he needs to step it up and use oak mons

>>27905950
wew lad

>>27906038
>All-Might lives

>Ash and Trump lose

>>27905950
Post yfw dub actually lets Ash win the absolute madmen

Feeling the despair, """""/padt/"""""?

Rewatching the fight, and holy fuck in comparison to Shota vs Ash, it sucks.

In Ash vs Shota, Greninja fights against Sceptile in close combat, the heavy strikes and powerful blows of Leaf Blade showing just how strong it is. It moves with weight, a more primal attacker compared to the somewhat human-like motions of Greninja, the contrast is done well.

Ash realises that pointlessly sparring against it isn't going to work and goes for alternate strategies. He uses Water Shuriken to cover his approach, then goes in for a huge combo. Unfortunately, Sceptile recovers in time to launch a powerful counter that nearly kills the frog.

And then I compare it to Ash vs Alan. Ash just launched Aces/Cuts like a retard against Alan spamming Dragon Claw. He manages to block the first Blast burn, which is cool, but the rest is just... eh. He failed to use his superior speed and Double Team to do anything against Megazard.

Sceptile controlled the field after it realised that Greninja is a huge threat in CC, trying to keep itself out of range. But the Alan vs Ash fight is the same spamming right up until the end. The first use of Thunder Punch is the second to last command. Despite this, Greninja has a perfect counter in his blade. But why didn't he use this before? Why does he need cut if using his Shuriken as a melee weapon works well? Motherfucker why not use this in Rain?

And for the final attacks, Satoshi has an excellent scene of him running and dodging before ending with a giant Water Shuriken. You can see the desparation and despair in Shota, but he doesn't give up, praying that his Leaf Storm can weather the incoming blow.

Compared to Ash vs Alan, where they both just throw out their ultimate attacks and wait to see who's mon jobs harder.

It's a very lacklustre fight compared to Shota.

I still think the anime is good. I mostly was interested in Serena's plotline anyway

>>27905950
How did you do it pham?

WHY did you do it?

>>27906076
It's as good as done, my friend. This shit never changes. For a board so obsessed with bullshit "patterns" with the games, you sure are blind to the actual ones that have been happening in this paint-by-numbers anime since the beginning.

>>27906092
Not really. I thought Ash was gonna win and these last two days, first hype, then disbelief, then shitposting, were amazing. Was half a year before the last happening on this scale on chans.

>>27905950
Thank you anon

>>27905950

>mfw the English dub won't even be this good

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Does this confirm that Greninja is Ash's jobbiest Pokemon?

Who would you have taken in the Kalos league instead? Charizard and Sceptile can't be taken because both are signature mons used by that note-taking kid and Alan.

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>>27905904
Come to Sinnoh faggot

>>27905950
Save this video for when the dub episode actually airs. It's only three months away.

>>27906003
Alan
Nene
Alan's Charizard
Greninja
Elle
Yashio

Any other list is wrong.

>>27906138

Pikachu is the jobbiest pokemon - he just redeems himself at the end of every season.

>>27906003
Clemont's Chespin.

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>>27905950

>The winner of this competition is Ash Ketchum!

So after this flare arc, what will the anime be doing? everything has seemed so rushed thus far, but theres still a few months before sumo comes out, surely they wont just pump out filler for a month before the new series is released

>>27906149

Alain would fucking WRECK Tobias.

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>>27906092
No. I'm over it and am now already for Team Flare.

Why wallow in despair when I can continue to enjoy a show that I've loved since the start.

Sure Ash losing is a blow but Team Flare looks incredible and I'm going to enjoy every last minute of XY until the end of the series.

>>27905980
How far does the rabbit hole go?

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>>27905950
If only...............

>>27906177
new set of shitty islands

>>27906177
Some fillers and the farewells from Lemons and Serena

>>27905967
I mean Gen 6's are among my favorite. Ironically my favorite has the be the one right before them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0PxQGg0oDU

>>27905950

how did you time the music so well? it's highly impressive!

>>27906184
If Tobias was still using the same team maybe. I bet he has a fucking Mega legendary now.

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>>27906041

What IM loving is the reactions from people like you who have been watching this shit for more than 3 generations of children combined, STILL watching this shit and proceed to talk down on others for thinking this shitshow would change for once.

>hurr durr your dumb for thinking this show wouldnt be shit! Ha! I gave up along time ago! Jokes on you faggot lel!

As if anyone who watches this show doesnt have some sort of masochistic behavior about them.

You'd think you'd stop, but naw, you just keep coming back for more

>>27906200
Farewells will likely all be just 1 episode.

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>>27905953

>>27906216
Tobias probably has MegaRayRay and Arceus in reserve.

>>27906236
>that post
Mmm, that's the shit.

>>27906184
>Alain winning against Tobias's team of Darkrai, Latios, Latias, Mega FUG, Ho-oh and Regigigas
Come on son. Why do you think Ho-Oh hasn't appeared again?
It's inside Tobias's ball, ready to wreck posers like Megazard.

>>27905950
That opening theme mixing is actually really solid.

>>27906253
Are there two Darkrai? One showed up in X and Y

>>27906238
Yes and? I'm sure some Alolan character will lure Ash to take a cruise on the remaining fillers

>>27906253
>>27906216

>unironically rooting for a faggot like Tobias

Stay mad ashfags

>>27905950
>you will never be a hero

>>27906253
>>27906244
>>27906184
>>27906149

Tobias sounds like a faggot kid who has all the cool toys and always win.

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Is Beedrill the most evil pokemon? Thing is never shown as friendly, always picking on pokemon and humans.

>>27906277
Arceus and the creation trio seem to be the only ones that are absolutely unique. Even ones that you figure were one of a kind seem to have multiple iterations in the anime and movies.

20 years and Ash has no league win. Why

>>27906277
Many legendary pokemon aren't unique, just absurdly rare iirc

The only unique ones are Maybe Groudon, Maybe Kyogre, Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, and I think the Gen 5/6 legendaries

>>27905950

Oh man, if any of the famous Poketubers get ahold of this video...

>>27906284
I'm not rooting for him. It's just that his team was very unabashedly rigged from the start. I could only count on the writers making his team even more ridiculous to keep up with new forms and Ash's increase in competence.

>>27906292
They were friendly in the badlands episodes

>>27906102
I agree. Even the rest of their matches weren't as good for the most part, both in execution and animation.

The Alain fight did have Pikachu pulling some serious weight, and the Hawlucha Vegeta scene which were fun, but the rest was very average. Only Bisharp got to do anything cool animation wise on Alain's side, even Charizard didn't do anything particularly exciting that we haven't seen before.

And I still don't understand what the point of the golden shuriken was.

>>27906289
Yeah that's pretty much what he was presented as.

>>27906297

>Creation Trio

No, it's been confirmed that Arceus can create multiples of the Creation Trio, and we've actually SEEN different Dialgas.

The only 100% unique Pokemon is Arceus.

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>>27906292

Nigga when the fuck has a bee ever been friendly?

>>27905950
That actually feel real good.

>>27906325
Oh yeah, I forgot it could give birth to them in HGSS...
Well less forgot, and more I didn't get a chance to experience it myself when it was possible to get Arceus in those games.

>>27906319

Golden Shuriken is going to be a thing when Zyguard 100% comes up. It was just previewed here.

Reason why Ash didn’t win against Alain

1. Ash didn’t bring any of his old mons
This may be one of the best reasons to explain why Ash didn’t win the Kalos league. We all know that Ash has a bunch of very strong powerful pokemon at home. And we all know that a bunch of them are stronger that most of his current pokemon. The fact that Alain’s pokemon, sauf the notable exception of charizard, went down quite easily makes this worse. His two pseudos fell to Pikachu alone; his unfezant went down with his adversary; the rest took down just one pokemon respectively and were defeated quite easily. What does this mean? It means the rest of Alain’s pokemon are pretty weak, and could have been taken easily by stronger pokemon. Ash’s current team is strong, but it’s far for being the strongest. May have been the case Ash had brought his truly ultimate team (Pikachu, Charizard, Greninja, Snorlax/Heracross/Kingler, Sceptile and Infernape) he may have won easily. Charizard and Sceptile have already battled and taken down legendaries and pseudos, so they would have taken easily unfezant, weavile and bisharp. The rest would have been a battle of attrition, sending wave after wave Ash would have been triumphant. First sending off charizard, infernape, snorlax, Sceptile, Pikachu and finally Greninja.
What’s the problem? Ash can’t into deep strategy. Ketchum has proven that strategic battle planning isn’t his forte, being more of a natural improviser. These kinds of tactics don’t call his attention.
Also his ridiculous stubbornness of only using his current pokemon, even if they’re weak just to enjoy the battle and to make them fill worthy is just wrong.

continue...

>>27905953
Serena is shit anyways.

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Wonder if the staff will be able to recapture the hype this season had. It was such a good chance to let ash win, but life goes on and that zygarde won't kill himself. Hoping most of the writers come back for SM.

>>27905950

Wow.

>>27906342

>MegaZard X
>tanks a Golden Shuriken right to the face
>thinks somehow Zygarde full form wont do the exact same

It aint even been 10 minutes, he cant master that shit that fast

It will only make my rage grow even whiter hot still

>>27906345
>Reason why Ash didn’t win against Alain
Because asspull. You don't have to write a single word more autist.

>>27906325
Did we actually see multiple Groudon/Kyogre? Isn't it possible that the anime ones are the same as the mega evo ones?

>>27906345

>>27906058

>>27906342
If it doesn't even scratch Zard X why the fuck would ash use it
it'd be a better use of time to get Shota to Frenzy Plant it still so Alan can Blastburn it.

>>27905939
Said the grown man who is legitimaly angry about a kids show and need to somwhow feel superior about it.

>>27906109
Thats what most people were interested in until ash made it to the fucking finals.

>>27906358
They won't.

All the hype this season was competent Ash with all evolved pokemon, Greninja Ash, Serena's crush on him, Bonnie being cute and Clemont being a bro, and Alan's edgyness and Team Flare.

Nothing next saga could compare at all.

>>27906345
>Ketchum has proven that strategic battle planning isn’t his forte, being more of a natural improviser.
>Also his ridiculous stubbornness of only using his current pokemon, even if they’re weak just to enjoy the battle and to make them fill worthy is just wrong.


This is the thing that no one really touches upon.

Ash is NOT a Pokemon battler first and foremost, unlike people like Harrison or Tobias.

Ash is a Pokemon Trainer - a very good one. He trains Pokemon. He trains them VERY well, and is often able to bring out a Pokemon's potential in a way that no one else could.

But he's not a good Pokemon Battler, as he's a very poor strategist and focuses more on a Pokemon's growth rather than his own accomplishments. He's been like this ever since the Charizard incident in the Indigo league, when he figured out he needed to train and nurture his Pokemon in order to gain their respect.

>>27906390
I am stale baiter, you cuck
I'm giving you reasons why Alain's victory was justified

>>27906206
It still hurts that we've yet to have any cameos or even flashbacks to past regions
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K4kFrwjY8EE

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>>27906409

No your a faggot defending hack writing

Suck moar balls plz

>>27906382

That's actually a good point, we have no idea if Groudon or Kyogre are unique, but they very well could be - the Primals are very like the originals.

So, it's basically Arceus, Groudon, and Kyogre that are unique. MAYBE Kyurem, but that's super debatable.

T W E N T Y Y E A R S

>>27906058

>Hack writing

Zard X has NO business losing to Greninja.

Having Zard X lose would have been a fucking hack.

>>27906345
2. Ash has a minimal to null comprehension of pokemon’s abilities
It’s common knowledge that all know pokemon have some kind of special ability. It’s also known some of Ash pokemon have showed these abilities like overgrow, blaze and static. These have proven to be very efficient when battling, some even been considered the reason why some of his pokemon are so strong. YET, Ash has very few knowledge about them, even ignoring that all his mons have these dormant powers within. Ash have learned about them almost, if not all cases, by accident. Know this is very troublesome, considering his mons could be stronger if he knew this. E.g Greninja having torrent and using it against charizard during his final battle

continue...

>>27906419
Aren't Dialga, Palkia and Giratina also unique in the anime?

>>27906345
>1. Ash didn’t bring any of his old mons

holy shit I'm tired of this

He could have brought any roster you want to the league and he would have lost, because thats what the writers wanted. STOP TRYING TO ANALYZE THIS LIKE ITS A REAL EVENT YOU AUTISTS

>>27906405
then what's the point of training them then? He could have also taken the faggot path of being a Breeder or the sissy route of being a Coordinator.

>>27906435

Greninja's ability is actually his Synchro shit, and Ash has used abilities like Blaze with Infernape.

>>27905950
I just keep rewatching it, thank you for this, at least were celebrating somewhere in the multiverse

>>27906414


Stay mad over children cartoons pleb.

>>27905950
>>27905950
>Ash will never win

Let my cry in peace/pieces

>>27906436

Nah, it was confirmed that Arceus has remade them several times. The ones we've seen are probably the same ones we've always seen, but there's definitely multiples of them.

>>27906419
What about Rayquaza?

>>27906457
What about Pokemon like Mew or Victini?

>>27906451
and that universe is the one where they didn't help that Rotom

>>27906442
No, that's another thing. Found at him as an individual
But like the rest of his species he has this ability.
Ash is just to ignorant to realize this

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>>27906394

>he thinks im not some flyover from another board watching the League final to see if ash won

>he is under belief I am of the same mind as hisself, constantly flogging his eyes with season after season of utter failure


I never came in these threads until today and desu everyone here is in some sort of grief stage, shits kinda funny seeing people cling onto the ever slimming rope that is this show

What does Arceus think of mega Ray? Does he invite him to parties being more powerful than god and stuff?

>>27906440

Because Training is what people do in the games.

Ash is the second face of the series - he's a proxy for the player, just inserted into the anime. He trains pokemon because that's what players in the games do.

He doesn't win because it's to show the player that even if they lose, it's not the end of everything - they can still keep trying, or they can move onto the next game.

>>27906457

Multiple Mew's have been confirmed - in fact, the one in the Lucario movie is a different one from the one in the Mewtwo movie.

Victini I have no idea, but there's really no reason for him to be unique either.

>>27906345
>Ash can’t into deep strategy. Ketchum has proven that strategic battle planning isn’t his forte, being more of a natural improviser. These kinds of tactics don’t call his attention.
>>27906405
>as he's a very poor strategist and focuses more on a Pokemon's growth rather than his own accomplishments.


>Ignoring counter shields and Sinnoh Ash in general

>>27906471
I think there are at least 2 Rayquaza, a shiny one from the movie and mega fug from Mega Evo specials.

As for Mew, I think there are multiple? Just very very few left.

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>>27906398
>Nothing next saga could compare at all.

3 WORDS: HOT YURI ACTION

>>27905953
GLORIOUS NTR!!!!!!!!!!!!
I'M LOVIN IT

>>27906345
>>27906435
Fucking apologists. The writers are assholes who like asspulling and using bait-and-switch tricks. Open your eyes and realize that Pokémon is a shit anime and that nothing good will ever come out from it.

>>27906452


>>27906488

And kys, just saying. Those organs of yours could go to someone useful who doesnt waste his life with demented fantasies of being raped for years on end

>>27906457
I thought the implication was that there's only one of each Creation Trio member at any given time. When one is gone Arceus makes another.

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>>27906523
What's with tumblr and noses?

I hope y'all stop hating on Goodra. You do realise that Ash can bring a Mewtwo, Rayquaza, Deoxys, Jesus Arceus, Mew, his Pikachu and all the Pseudo-Legendaries and he will still find a way to lose.

Ash always finds a way.

>>27906523
>ugly art
>stupid tumblr noses
>tumblr filename
Yep, that checks out.

>>27906498
I know, but losing so many times just shows that even with all the effort he gives, it's all for nothing. For example in Dragon Ball, Goku doesn't win matches at first, but eventually with effort he wins Tenkaichi Budokai. Doesn't mean that I want Ash to curbstomp every time he enters a league, but damn give that kid a win just once.

>>27906512

>>Ignoring counter shields and Sinnoh Ash in general

No, I'm going to give it to Ash in Sinnoh, he DEFINITELY should have won that - it was a complete Deus Ex Diablos. He was a much more competent battler back then.

But outside of Sinnoh and late Indigo/Orange leagues, Ash lacks a LOT of strategy.

Pokemon is a ratings trap

>>27906435
3. Ash training wasn’t as hard as Alain’s
Though Ash has been showed being training, he’s training is far from being efficient. Consider this, how many times instead of training was he traveling or helping a COD? How many times did you see him battling against opponent that wasn’t either a gym leader or a member of TR. This is a hard truth but Ash travels more and helps more than he trains his pokemon.
Compare this with Alain who has been shown in almost all his appearances battling against someone else or searching for ways to becoming stronger by battling stronger opponents. Alain battled against the Champion of a region, battled against two elite 4 and won against one, battled against 10 consecutive megas the final opponent being an elite fighter, literally travelled all around Kalos and parts of Hoenn to fight against the best of the best, and win.
Ash is more a person who enjoys the ride and thinks the destination is secondary.
Alain is person who thinks the destination is the most important thing.

continue...

>>27906345
>Reason why Ash didn’t win against Alain
The writers have a hard on for Charizard

>>27906494
The Arceus we know is just a representation from one of its thousand hands. Its form is such so that we don't lose our sanity from gazing it

Holy shit the preview has 36k dislikes

Having a hard time finding where to watch whether Ash gets his shit pushed in or not because I suck. Where should I go if I can only watch on my phone?

>>27906554
Well remember he has serena doing performing shit so that probably takes away from training alot.

>>27906554
Stop

>>27906546

>give that kid a win just once

He's had several wins.

He kicked the ass of Gary and Paul

He beat the Orange Islands

He beat the Battle Frontier

He's going to get another win in the Alola Region too

He's just been mandated by TPC to never win in an actual League battle. Just like he's been mandated to never actually have a romantic relationship, or like how Pikachu HAS to remain on Ash's team.

>>27905953
I'd accept this rather than tierno

Oh yes! Ash lost!- Thank god, im so glad, now the Pokemon anime can continue!

SAID NO ONE FUCKING EVER
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>27905953
I just fapped at this

>>27906575
Anyone?

>>27905873
>be me
>haven't watched anime in entirety ever
>watched random episodes as a kid
>come here and lurk
>all anyone talks about is how ash never wins a league
>get mad because god damn spoiled
>whatever I'll watch anyway
>get through indigo league
>ash loses as expected, no surprise
>continue watching, get to orange league
>dude has a mf dragonite of course ash is gonna lose
>ash sweeps first 4 pokemon
>ok ash is def gonna get swept by drago
>ash gets swept down to just pikachu
>ash beats dragonite and wins the orange league

what the fuck /vp/? I mean I am pleasantly surprised but what's this about? is orange league considered a meme and doesn't count to you guys?

Anyone post the Twitter of the anime director please

>>27905953
TAPU KEKU

>>27906659
Orange League is a meme and doesn't count.

>>27906659
Ash also one one of his Orange Island battles by beating some guy in a race. Orange League means nothing

>>27906659
Indigo to Johto (Pre Silver-Conference) were pretty good.

Orange Islands were ok, but they weren't an actual league, which is why they don't really count.

>>27906667
What did he say?

>>27906554
4. Ash didn’t use type advantages properly
This is a very persistent thing in the entire anime. Ash just won’t fucking learn or accept that some pokemon are naturally weaker to other. He believes the power of friendship and good nurturing will equalize them and erase these natural weaknesses. Guess what? Ice doesn’t stop melting by fire just because I hug my ice type pokemon and tell to shill out.
The thing is further complicated when Ash refuses to call his old mons for specific battles. Wulfric’s battle is a very good and recent event. An ice gym? Weak to fire, easily. But no… let me use flying type pokemon because the power of friendship overcomes this. Please, this is horrible as a pokemon strategist! It’s against common trainer knowledge!
I mention this because Greninja has an inherent superiority to fire, and should have destroyed Charizard easily have Ash used WATER TYPE MOVES AGAINST A FIRE TYPE. Add to this the possibility of torrent!

>>27906684
>>27906686
>>27906691
I suspected this. I just finished orange league and am satisfied with how that went. He got some powerful mons (snorlax, lapras) and tamed charizard. I am hoping Johto is also good. I heard he gets to fight gary in the Johto League? pls no spoils.This is the furthest I've ever watched the anime.

>>27906711
You dont know reading faggot? This guy asked for the anime director twitter

Youtube subs are out, it just makes it worse. Everyone cheering Ash on, being so full of hope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMX6_hrO8fk

>>27905953
Fuck you

>Rewatch
>Greninja wasn't even touched by Bisharp
>FULL FUCKING HP AGAINST INJURED ZARD
Is this what being triggered feels like

>>27906725

If you're serious, then I can at least say that the fight with Gary doesn't disappoint.

Orange Islands were a good league (Snorlax is also one of his fucking MVP's, so I hope you like him), but racing and carving a sled doesn't really count as a League win.

>>27906721
5. Ash only used the same 6 pokemon he had captured in Kalos for all his battles at the league
There’s a good reason in past seasons Ash didn’t use the same exact team battle after battle in the league. That being pokemons get exhausted. Why not giving them a rest and alternate with another team? Because fuck you, the power of my pokemon and our friendship can beat all odds.
Ash should have rested and alternate his pokemons to have them at their best for the battles.
continue...

>>27906766

Zard X has a ridiculous amount of durability. Did you not watch ANY of the X/Y specials?

There's no way Greninja could have taken down Zard.

>>27906236
But I don't even watch the show anymore. That's the sad part; I haven't watched this trash for years now and I can still tell you how this is going to work.

>>27905953
HOW COULD YOU

>>27906774
I am very serious, and I loooooove snorlax. I get the whole racing and carving for badges was shit, and was definitely annoyed by the lack of battles for badges, but at least was entertained by the new pokemons everyone got and the win for the league.

>>27906537
What's with animu and the general lack thereof?

My internet went out two hours before the episode started and didn't come back till an hour ago so I only just finished watching the episode. The whole episode felt a bit off to me; not as hype music, and the whole battle between Charizard and Greninja felt super rushed to me. It felt like the writers were trying to get the battle out of the way so that they could go straight into the Flare Crisis.

I don't know, it felt like that this battle as a whole isn't supposed to be a "final" battle between Ash and Alain. The Flare Arc is promising though, can't wait to see the Zygardes and hoping for either a full battle with Lysandre or an Alain rematch.

Yes, I was fucking pissed about the result of that match. How Bisharp withstood Goodra's Bide and OHKO'd it made me rage

>>27906523
>TWO female npcs/trainers fawning over Ash instead of fucking letting them be their own character

I don't know why you guys bitch so much about the games being repetitive and the same but let it go for the anime.

>>27905953
Fuck you! If amour becomes canon I'll fucking kill you

>>27906779
6. Ash didn’t researched his adversary’s full arsenal
Unlike Gary, Paul or Conway. Ash never research what the rest of his opponent’s pokemon would he face. Nah, he went blindly to the battle. Bad strategy considering a trainer may use this information to use specific pokemon to combat efficiently determinant pokemon or make strategies to use in battle.
continue...

>>27906815
You missed such a drama anon. I don't know whether you're lucky or unlucky to have dodged it.

Yeah, for most of us the dust has already settled and it seems more and more people are agreeing this was worse than when they pulled a Tobias on us, worse than Best Wishes even.

Daily reminder that Alan is stronger trainer, also fought for his beloved.
He totally deserved his win.
Ash wasn't good enough.

Why are people saying Serena isn't winning the Ash now?

I didn't watch any of this but all people were saying for months is that she was guaranteed to win.

>>27906793

I didn't say it was shit - I actually loved the break from "battle these guys then move on." I would fucking LOVE for the anime to focus more on Ash just doing shit with his Pokemon other than battling and training (and foiling Team Rocket's plan of the day). The Orange Island challenges were fucking fantastic.

It's just that you can't really call the Orange League a "Championship Victory" for Ash when 3/4'ths of the League didn't actually involve real battling. Watching Ash carve up a sled with his Pokemon made for a good story, but it's not a testament to his victories or skills as a battler - it's just a good interaction with his Pokemon.

Tiniest Spoiler: Snorlax literally NEVER jobs - he always pulls at least his own weight, and he can steamroll shit if he wants to.

My internet is fucking around right now so I directly went and watched the fight between the two mega.

What a load of bullshit. Why the fuck use a Water Shuriken in close quarters? What the fuck is this shitty choregraphy?

At least, the anime didn't go full "kuyashii" and simply did the "oh well, good job".

>>27906835
>All these walls of text for literally jack all.

Nevermind it being the anime, why cite shit on people Ash has curbstomped.

>>27906835
7. Ash didn’t perfect synchronization with greninja
Greninja’s final attack made it clear, Ash hasn’t perfected this form. Obviously because his lack of training, having more time to waste helping out CODs, travelling or engaging in useless activities
continue...

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>>27905953

>>27906783
But Greninja has come closer in the past, on the rewatch, Greninja was in control the entire time, Zard landed four hits tops. Greninja dominated the battle til the last second when Blast Burn stopped the Giga Shuriken when earlier it failed to stop a regular one. This shit was just inexcusable.

>>27906840

> worse than when they pulled a Tobias

No, no one truly thinks that.

Tobias came out of fucking NO WHERE.

Alain has a ton of backstory, and we've seen just how strong he is in general. His Zard fucking butchered most of the Elite 4, and pretty much every other Mega he's come across - it's surprising that anyone actually thought Ash had a chance.

>>27906844
REALLY iffy - new official artwork has revealed a new girl and ash in the same picture. We still don't know much, but it's not looking good for Serena.

>>27905953

That's hot.

>>27906860
8. Ash didn’t want to win as hard as Alain
Alain just wanted to win more, easily as that. He wanted to protect Maron’s smile and to truly become the strongest
The End

>>27906866
>Alain has a ton of backstory, and we've seen just how strong he is in general. His Zard fucking butchered most of the Elite 4, and pretty much every other Mega he's come across - it's surprising that anyone actually thought Ash had a chance.
That's because Imperfect Ash Greninja was dead even with Megazard, but Perfect Ash Greninja is suddenly no match

>>27906866
>Tobias came out of fucking NO WHERE.
As did this loss. Plus a shittier battle.

Tobias loss was legitimate. This one was an ass pull.

>people trying to apply logic in this fight
didn't see any of you faggots calling bullshit on ash or sticking up for my boy shota when greninja literally kills sceptile with a 1/4 effective attack

muh type advantages only matter when ash loses, if he wins its because he outfought and outstrategized his opponent not because shota was destined to lose from the very start because ash had to face alain who was on the other side of the bracket

maybe the simple truth if you STOP MOVING GOALPOSTS is that alain is the better trainer with the better ace and fully deserved the win

>>27906840
>this was worse than when they pulled a Tobias on us
You can't be serious. This is an established character with ridiculously strong pokemon who was fighting for someone he loved.

>>27906864
Yea it just feels lazy, Greninja was in full control of that fight and then all of a sudden last minute a blast burn pretty much 1 hits him.

>>27906864

Zard X has tanked a Dragon Pulse and a straight on Hydro Pump from a Mega Blastoise on top of other moves, only going down after a second Dragon Pulse (which is super effective).

The fucker doesn't even faint to a Precipice Blade from Primal Groudon.

You're seriously trying to argue that Greninja even had a chance?

>>27905953
kys

>>27906864
Random last-ditch shots are the fucking name of the game with this anime though, Ash does that shit all the time.

>>27906885
Found the Alain poster.

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>>27905953
EDGY

>>27906879

You DO know that Alain trains with Zard, right? Zard doesn't just stay at the same power level every time - and Alain trains more with Zard than Ash does with Greninja anyways.

Why would Zard X just stay the same strength?

>>27906844
>Why are people saying Serena isn't winning the Ash now?

Because Ash will never settle down with a girl except for maybe in the series ending, which isn't any time soon. He's a fucking eternally 10 year old shonen protagonist you dolts.

>>27906845
glad snorlax never jobs. snorlax is one of the top 5 mons in the original 150 and has no business losing to fuckboi shitmons. seeing Dragonite job to Pikachu actually annoyed me but I was happy to see Ash win so it countered that feeling. I am looking forward to Johto but its almost 4am here and I need sleep.

sidenote; I noticed that in season 1 Jessie's lickitung never jobbed the way arbok and weezing did but in the islands all it fucking did was job which pissed me off cause I absolutely love lickitung. but I did like that team rocket used a bigger variety of pokemon in general.

>>27906884
For the last time
I, stale.
Made these arguments to prove Alain deserved to win and obtained a fair victory.
Ash on the other hand didn't deserve to win

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Expectations, hopes and dreams for Alola?

>>27906920
Mallow is forced to fall in love with Ash for no reason and her entire character is about it or contests.

>>27906916
Both deserved to win.

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>>27905953

>>27906882
>>27906840

>Tobias loss is legitimate

Ok, now I know you're shitposting.

Anyways, MegaZard is already confirmed to be one of the strongest non-legendaries we've ever seen in the series. About the only one stronger is probably Steven's Metagross.

>>27906920
Shit
Shit
and
Shit
(but it's okay since he'll definitely win this time)
(but that's not okay since whatever he wins, it won't be a league)
(which is fine because he'll definitely win the next one)

>>27906844
>Why are people saying Serena isn't winning the Ash now?
Because he didn't thought about her in the final.

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So what is the difference between colored and non-colored transitions?

The colored variant is rarely used, but it appears in important fights like VS Diantha.

VS Shota was blue as was VS Alan.

>>27906942

They paid the colorer's overtime for the Diantha episode.

That's it. That's very literally it - they admitted as much on twitter.

>>27906884
This is really the biggest bullshit honestly. People want to have it both ways.

>>27905953
STOP BEATING THE DEAD HORSE

>>27906959
Sauce?

>>27906927
No, Alain worked FAR harder to become the strongest and win the league

Ash on the other hand wasted to much time helping out CODs, travelling, getting involved in useless activities and not fucking battling and training

Hell, as I said before, almost every episode that contains Alain show him battling against someone or trying to become stronger
How can you even compare them?

>inb4 muh 20 years

Then Ash must act like it and stop making all the mistakes I pointed

>>27906890
Yeah,and all of that was before fighting Imperfect Greninja who he was dead even with. Greninja was shown to be capable of defeating him if Ash could surpass his limits, then he did and jobbed at the last second.

>>27906909
Except Ash had been training hardcore with Greninja

>>27905953
Nips and their weird fetishes

>>27906972
>'My protag should be nothing but a battle machine'

Next you'll say, "I could better!"

>>27905953
Hmm. Can't be considered as NTR though since amour still isn't canon.

>>27906991
>My protag should be nothing but a battle machine'

You want him to win, no?

I didn't make the game neither you. We just follow it's rules, if you want something then this

>>27906884

AshGreninja Feats:
>Knocks down (not out) a Mega Gardevoir (who gets right back up)

Mega Zard X Feats:
>Steamrolls 20 or so Megas
>Takes on the Elite 4 by itself, only loses to 2 Super Effective Dragon Pulses from a fucking Mega Blastoise
>Kicks the SHIT out of Mega Zard Y
>TANKS a Precipice Blade from Primal Groudon

Add that on top of the fact that half of Ash's team has seen like 5 battles each, and it's really no wonder why Alain won.

>>27906920
Ash brings Hau and Mallow along for the ride.
Hau brings his Pichu along which ends up becoming an Alolan Raichu. When Pichu evolves into Pikachu, Ash's Pikachu falls in love with it. Hau's joke is that everyone pays more attention to Ash's Pikachu than his. He fills in Brock's hitting on women quota.
Mallow's dream is to bring Pokemon Contests to Alola. She's also the cook of the group.
Ash is set out to vacation, but once Hala tells him of the trials and trial captains, his new dream is to defeat the four Kahunas and meet the Totem Pokemon.

>>27906914
>fuckboi shitmons

He beats Gary at the league and loses to a new guy with a Blaziken

Enjoy

>>27906972
>Ash on the other hand wasted to much time helping out CODs, travelling, getting involved in useless activities and not fucking battling and training
>Finished collecting badges
>Battled the Champ and almost won
>Took on Zapdos
>Almost beat Alain twice
Nah, Ash did just as much, especially in the league where Ash used his full team while Alain solo'd with Charizard until the semifinals

>>27906927
>Both deserved to win.
>Alan remembered Manon and said he can't lose
> Ash said this is fun, whoever loses no hard feelings
Ash didn't have enough motivation to win.
And he and Gekkouga are bound together.
If Ash lacks desire to win, frog lacks it too.

>>27905953
Wow, mods haven't deleted this yet?

A-At least Manon gets a happy ending r-right?

>>27906987

Alain literally trains every single fucking day with Zard X.

Ash does NOT do the same, or even remotely close, with Greninja.

>>27907006
>Mega Zard X Feats:
>>Steamrolls 20 or so Megas
>>Takes on the Elite 4 by itself, only loses to 2 Super Effective Dragon Pulses from a fucking Mega Blastoise
>>Kicks the SHIT out of Mega Zard Y
>>TANKS a Precipice Blade from Primal Groudon
And after all of that Imperfect Greninja was still its equal

>>27907015
She gets cucked as well >>27905953

>>27907005
>You want him to win, no?

I want a winner that's interesting, don't tell me to pick and choose. Too many fanfics fuck this up by having trainers with the most tactical/well-rounded/OU teams, but having no personality beyond 'getting gud'.

>>27907006
Greninjas feats:
>Knocked back the Champions Ace Mega Gardevoirand over powered it
>Defeated Mega Sceptile
>Defeated Mega Abomasnow
>Has an ability that appears every few hundred years

I know everyone's upset, but I still believe amour will win in a lowkey way.

Serena does a romantic act of some kind towards Ash.
Ash declares he will return to her one day.

And that's it. That's enough for it to win in my eyes. Because Ash never ages, fans can be free to assume they hooked up after they achieved their dreams.

Simple. Not polarizing. And effectively stops them from giving Ash any more love interests.

Will there be a kiss? No. She won't even explicitly confess--just watch. But I'm not giving up until the end.

Go ahead and put me in the collage.

>>27907007
Who the fuck cares

>>27906864
alain's zard x has literally tanked hits from steven's metagross, malva's houndoom, 50% zygarde, primal groudon and mega fug WITHOUT FAINTING

just because greninja can land attacks doesn't mean zard is going to lose hp

if you are actually going to analyze the fight you'll realize greninja was on the defensive in every melee against zard, be it dragon claw or thunderpunch
his double team was nullified by flamethrower sweep and the only time zard actually took visible damage was after eating an aerial ace to the head (downward slam) and he just stood up 5 secs later while water shuriken and cut only fazed zard and didn't even make him kneel

alain was also smart in not panicking like shota in the final moments and instead understood the gravity of the mega shuriken and commanded zard to fire a full power blast burn in response

keep in mind his zard is literally ash's pikachu equivalent, when pikachu defeats 2 pseudos its a given but when zard fucks up a mon that has only been with ash for a season everybody is outraged? hello double standards?

>>27906920
The same formula. They've proven they won't deviate from it.

If you can bring back one old companion to scold Ash for losing the Kalos League who would it be?

>>27907024

>Still equal

Let's see...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFWN9uglRh0

First fight, not even close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Les-CUhDH5w

Second fight - Greninja's doing better, but there's no indication at all that Greninja was even coming close to winning. Even after everything, Charizard is still standing, and without even a scratch on him - he didn't even lose his composure and falter a bit like he did in the actual Kalos finals.

I'd hardly say that's "going even".

>>27907031
>I want a winner that's interesting
Which has never been Ash.

>>27906987
Greninja still loses to him

Just because you thought Greninja was suddenly much stronger doesn't mean Zard wasn't also stronger, and he had beaten Greninja every time since then

>>27907056
shut up.

>>27907012
see
>>27907006

Not to mention he battled EQUALLY against zygarde 50%

>>27907024
>And after all of that Imperfect Greninja was still its equal

The fact that he never won, clearly it's an indication they aren't in equal footing
One being clearly superior

>>27907034
>Knocked back the Champions Ace Mega Gardevoirand over powered it

Do you acknowledge Alain has battled at equal leves with Steven Stone, right?

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>>27906925
where?

>Bonnie coping with releasing Puni-chan
>Clemont rebuilding the tower and Clembot
>Serena fucks off with Yashio
This is how the family is broken and he travels to Alola, feels bad man

Such denial when the prophecy has already come true!

You shall suffer failure for all eternity!

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>>27905928
>>27906018

>>27907075

>Steven Stone

Is that the one fucker who we can honestly say would kick Tobias's ass?

>all these autists arguing tactics, win/loss ratios and type effectiveness regarding Charizard v Greninja

None of that shit matters in the anime and they prove it time and time again. All that matters is who the writers want to go home with the win and it was Alain.

Zygarde = Order
Order = Status Quo

Puni-chan is the key to all of this

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>>27905953
Never stoop that low, anon

>>27907045
>alain's zard x has literally tanked hits from steven's metagross, malva's houndoom, 50% zygarde, primal groudon and mega fug WITHOUT FAINTING
AND AFTER ALL OF THOSE FEATS IMPERFECT GRENINJA WAS STILL SHOWN TO BE HIS EQUAL

>if you are actually going to analyze the fight you'll realize greninja was on the defensive in every melee against zard, be it dragon claw or thunderpunch
And after every defense sprawl, Greninja landed a powerful blow

>keep in mind his zard is literally ash's pikachu equivalent, when pikachu defeats 2 pseudos its a given but when zard fucks up a mon that has only been with ash for a season everybody is outraged? hello double standards?
When that Zard comes in to the match damaged from his base form battle with Pikachu, and takes a giga shuirken to the face, yes it's an ass pull

>>27907056
If there's one thing different from S/M it's the fact that the basis for the setup is very, very different from the others: The fact that this region is "ORANGE LEAGUE: THE REGION" is the best bet of Ash winning Alola's supposed end-game event. Now given the fact that TV-Tokyo and TPCi already know the negative backlash him losing caused; I think next region is where he actually wins it all, but to lesser hype.

>>27907087
Why are you so triggered at people calling out an outdated OP pasta

>>27907092
this, i can't stand you autists doing this

>>27907101
>AND AFTER ALL OF THOSE FEATS IMPERFECT GRENINJA WAS STILL SHOWN TO BE HIS EQUAL

FUCKING WHERE?

Literally no where does Greninja go equal with Charizard X.

Even in their fucking rematch, Charizard X comes out without a single scratch.

>anime
>game accurate logic

hey, you guys

>>27905953
I don't deserve this boner....

>>27907092
I'm arguing Ash defeat withIN the series plot and development
Not because META reasons

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>>27905953
DELETE THAT SHIT

>>27907075
>The fact that he never won, clearly it's an indication they aren't in equal footing
>One being clearly superior
Because Ash couldn't maintain synchro

>>27907063

>Which has never been Ash.

Never said Ash really was. But what do you get when you make a character that does almost nothing but battle? Fuck even Alan did things aside from gushing over Megas.

>>27907101

>When that Zard comes in to the match damaged from his base form battle with Pikachu, and takes a giga shuirken to the face, yes it's an ass pull

This specifically isn't an asspull, but it's a difference in how mechanics in the anime work vs. the games.

In the anime, Mega Evolutions revitalize Pokemon. I don't think it's a good mechanic either, but that's what it is.

So when Mega Zard X Mega Evolves, he goes back to full HP - and he does so after Pikachu's hit him, so Mega Zard X was essentially fresh.

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>>27905953

>>27907101
>AND AFTER ALL OF THOSE FEATS IMPERFECT GRENINJA WAS STILL SHOWN TO BE HIS EQUAL

That's simply no true
watch
>>27907061

Can you point me when greninja was equal to charizard?

The fact that he didn't win in any battle, clearly shows the latter is far superior

>>27907101
>AND AFTER ALL OF THOSE FEATS IMPERFECT GRENINJA WAS STILL SHOWN TO BE HIS EQUAL
Why do you people keep saying this, he beat Greninja twice and it wasn't even really close.

>>27906866
This is worse than Tobias because Tobias has already happened. It's worse than Tobias because this is now Ash's 6th loss in the league. It's worse than Tobias because DP was about Ash's rivalry with Paul, which got closure when Ash beat Paul. XY was all about Ash finally wanting to win the league, and he failed at the very last moment for no adequately explained reason.

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>>27905953

>>27907125
>Because Ash couldn't maintain synchro

Neither he win when he could

>>27907145

>for no adequately explained reason

The reason was VERY explained in all the specials.

If you haven't seen those, then I could understand why this seems like an asspull, but it was apparent from the start that Ash wasn't going to win against Alain.

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>>27905953
DELET

>>27905953
>OOC Serena

FUCK YOU

>>27905953
Spoilering it was a dick move, anon

>>27906866
I think this was worse than Tobias.

DP never looked like he was going to win the league, the climax was him vs Paul.

Tobias was an asspull for sure, but Ash was going to lose to somebody there. And even with Tobias, Ash (mostly) looked good and went down fighting though that stuff with Heracross was bullshit

Here it actually looked like he was going to win it, and it was the one time having him win wouldn't screw up the next plot meta wise.

And then when he did lose, it was in an incredibly anticlimactic way.

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>>27906925
Mallow is a cool big sister with different boyfriend each chapter.

Ash have a unrequited crush in she, she's oblivious to this or dont care.

Lillie is the real endgame, but so tsundere for her own goodl.

Nothing original, but better that a dead frog.

>>27907008
fuck you, you really just ruined it for me and I've never seen it before

Who would trigger more amour shippers? Mallow, Chicken, Lana or Lillie? Even as a pure platonic frienship ash always get shipped with the female lead.

>>27907101
>AND AFTER ALL OF THOSE FEATS IMPERFECT GRENINJA WAS STILL SHOWN TO BE HIS EQUAL

Nope. In the rematch, imperfect greninja managed one good hit on Charizard - literally ONE - and all it does is make Alain excited that maybe there's more to come.

He doesn't go even with him at all.

The only way for Ash to win now is to throw everything away and start anew.

>>27907194
If ash end up not having feelings for serena then there is pretty much no chance of him having feelings for any other girl.

>>27905953
ITT: The triggering

>>27907221
there is literally no way for ash to win. being a loser is in his dna. even ancient mary sue bullshit powerups can't overcome his inherent incompetence.

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>>27907226
feels? who care for feels?

Ash need awake his hormones, again

>>27907101
>his equal
nope, lost twice got fucked both times
zard x is the better ace

>powerful blow
zard flinched but didn't fall, how is that powerful

>damaged zard
he had the entirety of the bisharp-numelgon battle to rest and he visibly stood still and tanked a thunderbolt and quick attack because he could (and he could indeed)
once alain got serious and ordered dragon claw pikachu got smacked
not sure how people think zard was low hp after pikachu when he was impaled by PRECIPICE BLADES before

>>27907191
everyone who posted logical analysis of why the league was gonna end in alain > ash > shota was mocked mercilessly for weeks on end because ASH IS GONNA WIN BECAUSE I SAY SO

its like pretentious faggots reading a literature book and claiming their headcanon is the only right interpretation and the only outlook the author intended
i'm more outraged people are implying that the writing with tobias or even cameron was better than alain. the writers craft a strong, competent, determined rival with backstory and more and they actually think "legendaries galore" or "hehe i 5v6 with NFE mons" was better written?

>>27905953
I knew Serena was a slag, now I have more reasons to SHAG her more

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>>27906920
>Mallow becomes Cilan 2.0

>>27907194
>Mallow is a cool big sister with different boyfriend each chapter.

Mallow being basically girl Brock is probably my favourite of the theories bandied about. Competent at a lot of things and pretty knowledgeable about pokemon and the region, with a thing for any cute guy she sees. But not Ash, never Ash.

>>27907166
This is quite possibly the dumbest post I've ever read and I don't even think it deserves a response other than to tell you to go read / watch any other series from any other medium. Of course the last person in the league is going to get hyped up to be strong. It's going to happen regardless of who it is. Just because Ash didn't run around doing the same exact shit as Alan doesn't mean he could never be as strong as him. Were you crying when Shohoku High beat Sannoh that it didn't make sense?

And don't give me this, "Oh but Ash was never training." He was literally training every chance he got.

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>>27905953

>>27907273
>Using fanart to determine judgement to a fictional character.

>>27907006
Alain literally never uses his other pokemon. Ash's other pokemon being jobbing shitters and losing to untrained pokemon alain probably had to fly around catching the night before the league is almost as retarded as greninja's jobbing.

https://youtu.be/3eAm7XADWAQ

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Ash lost because he didn't have motivation.
Love is strongest motivation, Alan won because he wanted to DO IT FOR HER.
If Ash had strong feelings for Serena, he would have won. But he "just wanted to have fun".
Serves him right. His lack of motivation transferred to Gekkoga, making it weaker..

>>27907284

There's a pretty big difference between "training" and fucking fighting Primals, Fug, and Steven MOTHERFUCKING Stone.

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>>27905953
Serena is a smart girl who sleeps with winners, which is why she's not going to Alola.

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The only AshGreninja fight that doesn't have one of the transitions that include Ash is the very first VS Alan battle.

>>27907313
The power of Alain's lolicon feelings enabled him to beat Ash.

>>27907300

> Ash's other pokemon being jobbing shitters and losing to untrained pokemon

Yeah no, let's be honest about this.

Stupid bat is a fucking greenhorn and should've been swapped out. Gooey Dragon has no real wins to her name and should've been swapped out. And their performance in the fights proved it.

Fighting bird and flying bird were ok and got a KO each, but they could and should have been swapped out for fighting monkey and flying fucking dragon.

4/6'ths of Ash's team had no place being in the match.

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>>27907328
Alain can do better.

>>27907349
>this again

Change his roster up as much as you want, he lost because of plot and status quo. People would have still rationalized it away no matter what line up he went in with

>>27907313
But Ash was fighting for his fellow losers

>>27907284

>Ash "trains" against a Mega Sceptile
>Alain is off fighting Mega Rayquaza

Not QUITE the same thing...

>>27907328
Alan is a loyal motherfucker who does it all for da loli

I'm a little behind on the anime, but I just want to say that Hawlucha deserved far better in that fight against Slaking.

All that showboating for his friends back home, and then he gets one-shotted? Not even his own fault, Ash knew that Shota was planning something, but he still made him keep going, for no other reason than to see what his opponent's plan was.

It's the anime equivalent of switching in your HM slave so that you can use a recovery item on one of your actually good Pokémon.

>>27907364
He didn't remembered abou them, so it's clear he not really cared.
I hope Alan and Manon will marry at the end of XYZ, after all Flare shit is done, because Alan deserves it.

>>27907313
This. This really triggered me. If they had him call back to his adventures with the XY family, or developed amour and had her push him here, it would have at least been a tie.

>they will never have him reflect on what serena means to him
t-there's always the rematch in the flare arc, r-right?

>>27907362

>People would have still rationalized it away no matter what line up he went in with

No, no one rationalizes Tobias, it was a complete ass pull.

No one would be rationalizing an Ash loss if he had brought in his strongest pokemon against Alain's decent pokemon + charizard. That would be just as much of an asspull.

But I can certainly believe that Ash lost when he brings in a fucking Noivern who's had 5 battles worth of experience, and a Goodra who's seen maybe 6.

>>27907349
Megazard X is basically Darkrai with backstory
It could have gone up against a fresh Pikachu, eaten a 20 minute long Thunderbolt, then fought a Blaze Infernape, then gotten squished by Snorlax, then gotten Krooked on, then faced 100% Ash Greninja and he still would have won.

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>>27907328
Your boyfriend's a loser and the kalos champion fucks his little bro. Give up on men.

>>27907389

Alain's confirmed to not want to battle anymore after he fixes up his sister's pokemon.

No rematch for anyone.

>>27907395

And THAT would have been as much bullshit as Tobias.

But that sure as fuck didn't happen.

Also, that sure as fuck WOULDN'T have happened, as Snorlax literally never goes down to ONE Pokemon - it always takes at least two, and usually three, to finally knock him out.

>>27907390
>No one would be rationalizing an Ash loss if he had brought in his strongest pokemon against Alain's decent pokemon + charizard. That would be just as much of an asspull.

You are fucking dreaming. Pick any team you want, he would have gone in and lost with them and people would be still here finding reasons why aside from the real one: STATUS QUO

If Ash becomes recognized as the hero of Kalos by perfecting Greninja's Z-Move and defeating Alan, will this not be enough for people?

Being loved by the region seems more important than winning a league. Let's be honest, he would have lost at the Elite 4 anyway. If he leaves Kalos as a hero, that's a better ending to the XY anime than we could have asked for, unless you were a greedy fuck who thought he would get both things.

This way he still has an official goal to go to the next league. I can't be the only one okay with this as long as they deliver with the team flare arc

>>27905960
>Gary give up competitive batling all together while also never winning a league.
Who's the real loser here?

>>27907313
So basically, because Greninja cucked Serena, Ash lost?

>>27907424

Nope, cause Ash still hasn't won a conference.

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>>27907404
>Serena dumps Ash's sorry ass and taps Shauna
I can get behind that.

>>27907389
Alain fought for love and glory
Ash just for fun

>>27907424
>will this not be enough for people
Your "enough" implies we care about that. We want a league win. Not some nebulous hero shit.

>>27907453
Shauna can do better.

>>27907424
>Will this not be enough for people?
Look at Hoenn, Sinnoh & Unova. No. Because being a super dumb hero isn't the point of Ash's journeys, the point is to y'know win a league. Until that happens nobody's going to be happy because it's why he goes to different regions in the first place.

>This way he still has an official goal to go to the next league.
Or he could win a league then go to the next region anyway

What is the perfect ending for Amour?