FUCK

You're honestly the first person using spoilers about this thing that I've see today.

I wish they would stop fucking gen 1 pandering .
We get it Charizard is the mascot starter lalala

>>27890830
I figured incase any anons wanted to see it for themselves. kinda dumb though

>>27890775
What was the purpose of the destructo disk?

Was it a Z-Move?

>>27890852
Ash is also from gen 1, so what.

>>27890775
It looked like Greninja was tired after synchro shuriken and just gave up.

Biggest asspull since Sinnoh. Greninja has shown to take more than that, and he goes down after (arguably) two hits?

>>27890886
we don't know. might be a new z-move but that's shitty fucking advertising if it was. he lost.
>>27890945
yeah wasn't many hits at all

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>>27890775
get cucked Narutoad. I can watch this all day

>>27890775
Zard almost falls first, and limped right after the battle, it was a close call

Actually, if you look more closely, Charizard looked as if he were about to pass out, but then he quickly recomposed himself. It's a rather quick moment though, so you can easily miss it.

Greninja is quite nimble but not as bulky as Charizard, so even despite the type advantage he had by his side, he still got a lot of impact on him and probably wasn't able to resist it as much as Charizard.

tl;dr, Ash is a shitty trainer and almost full of himself, I honestly found myself supporting Alain more and I'm not even fond of that guy, but I always found his relation with his Charizard interesting.

And I'll be honest, despite Greninja's "sudden" bond with Ash, after all this time, I don't think Ash has that one pokemon he can rightfully claim as his and his only and a pokemon he can relate to and deeply care about without having it go through some bad experience. Greninja might have been the closest thing Ash had concerning having a actual partner pokemon of his own besides Pikachu who Ash can still care about and some others, but I still felt like it was too forced of a relation and not really all that authentic. Ash also had some pretty damn stupid moments too where all he cared about was winning rather than actually bonding with his pokemon

Fucking Bonnie took care of Tyrantrum more in a day than Ash took care of Greninja ever since he got him. Jesus.

God damn it, if the next starter he might get doesn't knock some light into that head of his, I might as well give up on the idea of Ash being a consistently competent trainer without making his pokemon go through hard shit. Not like he hasn't been competent before, but those moments were fucking rare after the Kanto and Johto seasons.

>>27890775
>And fucking greninja goes down? Why? Such a lackluster ending. Zard didn't even look like it was hurt at all.
This is what hurts the most, all that build up for nothing

>>27891610
Fitting end for a shitty power up greninja

>>27891482
>Infernape

>>27890945
M-Zard was shown as being HOLY FUCK THIS IS BULLSHIT tier before

>>27890775
>Ash sends his water starter against Charizard
>loses
Somehow, somewhere, Gary is smiling.

>Typical blockhead hero guy after loosing is really happy he was in such a fun battle

If Ash doesn't feel regret in favor of just working hard in the future, why do you?

>>27891785
But Imperfect Greninja was his equal

>>27891083
>Zard almost falls first
Hahahahahahahaha!

No.

>>27892200
Have you watched this show? That is the clichest thing for ending battles of a trade of attacks, both stand, one wobbles and then the other one falls over.

>>27890775
>It's raining
>ash is using a water pokemon
how is this even a challenge?

>>27892285
It turned into a normal-type for some parts

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>>27890775
>>27890852
>>27890945
>>27891610

>alain using guillotine twice and works
>30% accuracy
That's the most bullshit I've ever seen.

>>27892450
Accuracy doesn't matter in the anime. You can dodge Swift and Arial Ace and Double Team is ninja stuff that doesn't raise ability to dodge.

>>27892450
That bisharp is honestly more broken than Mega charizard

>>27890775
You want to know why?
A critical hit, that's why! You know, like the ones that fucking Skyla used to take down my fucking ENTIRE team in the FUCKING FINALS OF PWT! FUCK MY SHIT UP NIGGER

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>>27892200
>27892200

You sayin'?

Tbh that battle was pretty shitty in general senpai

>guillotine
>one sided as hell
>not even a decent back and forth

>>27892573
Wooooo
>get Rekt

>>27892573
>Implying he wasn't just mocking Greninja

Im paranoid enough to see this as being some bullshit where:
>the writers were originally going to have Ash win
>writers tell Gamefreak
>they spit out their collective coffee and say in one unified voice, "Ash wins with a water starter!? Unacceptable! He will win with Chariz-er Pikachu or he will not win at all!"
>"B-b-but-"
>"And for your insolence, Charizard X will be the one defeat Greninja"
>"How does that make and sense?"
>"You will do it or we will fire you and hire the people from last season who'll do it anyway."

>>27892573
>>27892200

Wooooo
>get Rekt

>>27892728
> implying that's even a thing that has ever happened in the anime

>>27892737
>yeah and so then he defeats mega charizard an-
>STOP RIGHT THERE
>CHARIZARD CANNOT BE SHOWN LOSING
>REWRITE THE SCRIPT NOW

>Greninja was able to tank a fucking LEAF STORM from Mega SCEPTILE, who was faster than it
>dies to a not very effective move from Megazard X

252 SpA Mega Sceptile Leaf Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 612-720 (214.7 - 252.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

vs

0 SpA Mega Charizard X Blast Burn vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Greninja: 134-158 (47 - 55.4%) -- 74.2% chance to 2HKO

This is assuming Greninja's Defenses haven't changed upon synchro, which they probably should have. Granted, he did take a few dragon claws prior, but this is the same fucking frog that tanked multiple grass type attacks at once.

They had to have planned Ash to win. They must have changed it at the last second.

>>27890775
Because he didn't even know or understand his own powers, something that was proven here. Why should that equate victory?

>>27892922
no anon, writers, since assumingly unchanged from the last few seasons, want to keep pushing the idea that "losing is okay as long as you get back up to try again".

let's just hope the animation stays the same leve lof quality, as that's probably the only reason why anime fags are going to stay

>>27892573
>>27892763
Show the part right after. You know, where Charizard is perfectly fine with no battle damage.

>>27892323
>people still claiming it has Protean
Gardevoir's Shadow Balls should have had no effect if it did.

>>27892737
Hmm...have Ash lose after he's been so close, or have Ash win and get BW 2.0 next season with the animation reverting to 2011-2012 status.

What to choose...

>>27893166
No, anon, I meant it as
>Change the story or we'll fire you and hire someone who will change the story

>>27893107
Dark is only immune to Psychic, not Ghost.
Top Lel.

>>27892737
>>27892832

multiple audible keks

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>>27893093
> perfectly fine with no battle damage
> nb4 ppl saying zard it's not limping
> Greninja shows no scratches either

>>27893257
Cut is normal type.

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>charizard initially written as a huge prideful dick, loses all the fucking time and even CHOOSES to lose

>charizard now
>literally cannot lose
>valiant and brave rather than arrogant and prideful

>>27893389
Different member of the same species

>>27893425
Ash's charizard is pretty different as well, plus I'm just talking about how the pokemon is portrayed in general.

>>27893389
Different upbringing too

Why the fuck do people stop watching this shit, pokemon origins was so much fucking better and this shit is so stupid, and this fight proves my point

>>27893473
>pokemon origins was so much fucking better
I watched it after hearing opinions like this, but it was pretty much the same thing without the filler.

>>27893473
>pokemon origins was so much fucking better
>Charizard vs Blastoise battle ends in seconds
>Mewtwo vs Charizard was unsatisfying bullshit that ended with a mega evolution in gen 1 for some reason
>rushed to fit 4 episodes, so the plot is not that great either
What was so good about Origins?

>>27893359
Pokemon League is RIGGED.
He was PAID to take a dive!
Open your eyes Kalos! You're all being swindled!

>>27893559
>Blastoise vs Charizard
>Charizard wins
Thanks for reminding me how retarded origins was.

>>27893559
Fanservice that follows the actual games with a more competent and likable protag aimed at an audience that isn't actual five year olds, give something like that a full two cour series and it'll be fantastic.

>>27891083
>They made you believe that Ash would win until the very very end
When I saw Charizard tripping I was sure it was over for a fraction of second, then this fucker stood still

>>27893775
>likable protag
But Red was more plain than likeable.

because the Blast Burn was a lucky crit.

>>27893816
yeah I thought so at first too, or that they would actually wobble and continue on for a couple of attacks more

>>27893389
They say that a pokemon commonly adapts the character of it's trainer.

Ash's Charizard was a bitch because Ash himself is a bitch.

>>27890775
Blast Burn used on a water type would have a BP of 80 something so this is bull it can K.O Greninja.

>>27893884
So if Charmander joined Nu-Ash, it would have a superhero personality?

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>>27890775
>Final moves, Ash - Greninja uses a huge shuriken never seen before

This and the fact that Ashninja even exists with his bullshit digimon tier power up is reason enough for me to be happy that Ash lost

Fuck that shit. Fuck that meme frog.

I usually love making fun of people this assblasted, but Bleach got raped so I'm emo as shit and I really do feel for you guys

Time to go kill myself

>>27893908
Greninja got hit with a dragon claw before though. Legit 2HKO

>>27893969
>watching Bleach

Do you watch Naruto and One Piece too?

The only way to pay for this is BLOOD.

I DEMAND THE SUDOKU OF ALL SCREENWRITERS.

>>27893969
And one less faggot on the earth. Good job japan

>>27891899
Zard has no weaknesses!

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>>27893473

> Pokemon Origins was so much better
> Multiple battles off-screen
> Red's only pokemon to actually fit on-screen is Charizard save for rare exceptions
> Forced Mega Evolution advertisement
> Battles over in seconds
> Fight with Blue is completely off-screen save for the last 30 seconds
> FUCKING RHYHORN ONE SHOTTING 4 OF RED'S POKEMON


Fuck off. Origins started off great, but it was a massive waste of potential in the end.

>>27893969
>Bleach
Go drink it.

>>27893816
To be fair though they make the Z-Shuriken/Blast Burn trade slow then they CLEARLY show you that Greninja was hit first.

Am I the only one who only watches this anime to see cool new pokemon in the "pokemon of the week" type episode and to fap to sexy pokegirls? Also to be just comfy?

I don't care about Ash winning this or that.

Already excited to see cool new mons in alola, see the island trials and z type moves introduced

>>27894281
You're the only literal manchildren here? I'd be surprised if that was the case.

>>27894281
I see where you're coming from, but fuck off.

>>27894338
Why am I the manchild?
Isn't the one who cries over Ash losing the manchild?

>>27894281

If anything, i am more upset at Goodra doing nothing through the entire tournament after all that "GOODRA IS BACK!!!" hype (It didnt even put up a decent fight against Bisharp) and for even more Mega Charizard-X wank.

I would be considerably less salty if Alain had a Mega-Venusaur/Blastoise or at least used Mega Charizard-Y.

>>27890775
I feel if just charizard feel over afterwards. It would be like 50% less shit

oh he lost again?
great. suck a dick anime

>greninja lost to charizard
okay.

>>27894363
It's normal to be mad about something you follow for 20 years don't go as planned and is fucked just because some CEO don't want to try a new posterboy for his company.
It's not normal to watch a children anime for the "pokemon of the week" or bland pokegirls of the week that don't appeal to anyone because the anime needs to be sold to the western audience later.

Mega Charizard X is not weak to water attacks..

>>27894555
Pretty sure it's the exact opposite of this.

If you cheer for Ash since 20 years and have your heart broken because he still doesn't win, then you are an absolute manchild who views this show as something it isn't. This show never had well written characters or a good story.

If, on the other hand, you realize that this show is only meant to go along with the games and be a tie-in to make you look at new pokemon, then THAT is normal.

>>27894741
Sure mate, anything that would make you sleep well tonight.

>>27894809
That's what I should be saying to you, considering you are literally typing this with tears running down your cheeks because your shitty self-insert didn't win with his meme frog.

>>27894555
>>27894741
>>27894824
We're all losers or we wouldn't be here.

>Ash will be the protagonist for yet another season of Pokemon anime

let this boy be free

>>27894674
Greninja took multiple leaf storms from Mega Sceptile, which is a OHKO

Greninja took a Dragon claw, a blocked dragon claw, and a Blast Burn from Mega Charizard X, the latter of which is a 2HKO at the very best

If you're going to bump up Greninja's power to absurd lengths, let the power be consistent

>>27895227
>implying the game mechanics matter in the Ashnime

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>>27894674
But it is weak to Electric types in it's base form, and Pikachu hit it with two Thunderbolts, one of which dropped it to its knees, and a Quick Attack.

Then Greninja proceeds to beat the shit out of it with a Water Shuriken Sword, Cut, and Aerial Ace.

The fact that it survived all of that is incredibly bullshit when it took less hits in its previous battle against Ash-Greninja and almost lost, and that Ash-Greninja was incomplete.

Don't even get me started on the super powered up Orange Water Shuriken that clearly hit it but was shown to not have given it a scratch when a Mega Sceptile, who is 4x resistant to Water, gets hit by an even weaker version of that Water Shuriken and still lost.

Alain didn't even have want to join the Pokemon League. Ash encouraged him so Alain could fight strong trainers but Alain joined only to fight Ash again in a no hold's bar battle. All that bullshit he was spouting about protecting Manon was, again, bullshit because Manon didn't even care! She was cheering on him even before he got his first badge. He didn't care about the League or anything about it, he just cared about "protecting" Manon and having a battle with Ash.

Ash had 10x more reasons to win the League this time and then some.

And then here's the craziest thing: I don't even like the anime! I was just here to watch the anime general finally shut up and I'm even mad at the result. What the fuck. Put the fucking character to rest already, holy shit.

>>27895554
Cool math, but it is a cartoon.

this is why regular people don't watch the anime anymore.
It's self perpetuating bs.
If Ash won, it wouldn't fit the formula. He has to lose so he can go on to the next region.

Just accept that your commercialism based anime is just that. Here to sell you some games and merchandise.

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>>27896679

Why is the stigma of "a loss pushes someone forward" put everywhere? Someone winning would all of a sudden make them lazy and not have people root for them anymore? If that was true then olympic athletes wouldn't compete anymore. Football and Soccor teams wouldn't win multiple championships and go into the record books. The point shouldn't be that a loss makes someone motivated to win next time, the point should be a loss OR a win should do that. Why is winning considered a step backwards all the time?

>>27897071
Because if you win you just need to do the same thing again. If you lose you have a specific target to beat.

Of course, this falls apart if the person tries to beat their best.

>>27895554
Charizard hit more thunder punches on greninja

>>27893816
I felt the oposite, there is an anime trope that the first to flinch is usually the winner. When I saw charizard move. I literally got watery eyes. And I was just saying to myself 'no,no,no, please no" and then greninja fell. And so does my mood.

>>27898624
>I literally got watery eyes. And I was just saying to myself 'no,no,no, please no" and then greninja fell
lmfao

>>27898624
I was screaming like a retard in the middle of the street while watching on my cellphone.