Lazy GF Examples Thread

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barring the pokemon models

>>27845639
Post the linear cave that takes only 7 seconds to cross

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>>27845639

>>27845639
I haven't played Y in a couple years, I don't remember this. What is it?

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>>27845639
>XY Veteran, Superstar and Ace Trainer all have the same chibi models recolored

>>27845771
Kalos Power Plant. For some reason they gave it 4 doors, which 3 of them for some reason are locked. And well, Power Plant stands in location (Kalos Badlands) that looks like a fucking desert, which is literally empty.

>>27845796
Ah, yeah, I vaguely remember that. Thanks

I really need to play it again

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>>27845822
this pissed me off so fucking much

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>>27845822

>>27845822
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>27845822
delete this

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>>27845639
Fuck off, it fits thematically and makes perfect sense.

>>27845704
This I can agree with, but to be honest it's a GB era game. You shouldn't have too big expectations.

>>27845743
Fuck off, it's intentional you dumbshit.

>>27845782
Hurr durr because gen 1 had sooooooo much more variation.

>>27845822
>m-muh post gaem!
Fuck off. If you want gameplay after finishing the game, pick New Game instead of being a whiny bitch.

>>27845681
All of gen sux.

>>27845885
wow someone's angry :D

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>>27845885

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>>27845822
>remake fan awaited games
>barely any change or improvements
>just feels like the same game with a slight make over
>most people still looking forward to battle frontier
>get there, whoops :) no battle frontier
>endure this copy pasted facility tho!

What the fuck were they thinking

y versoin is a good game because of the pokemon you have and can get and have it

>>27845885
Who asked for your opinion on every post you cock?

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>>27845639
>In this thread we post examples of Game Freak being lazy.
so gen 6 general?
>>27845681
They have awful coloring and some awful animations in a lot of them and now it pops out on a colorful game like s/m
That could be chalked to bad decisions tho.

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>>27845885

>>27845965
Reminder that the in game map has that location as in a small lake with land right behind it.

>>27845885
Typical Kalosperm and Gen 6 defenders.

>>27845936
Masuda said in an interview that the BF would only appeal to a small player base and it would be difficult for new players to get into.

>>27845979
>small lake on map
>ocean with islands in-game

>>27846000
Well Masuda is a fucking retard excusing badly design choices, what else is new.
My literal 10 year old cousin enjoyed emerald more than ORAS after I gave it to him and he's halfway frontier, and I was 13ish myself on emerald release days.

>>27845954
Will SM increase mode saturation?

>>27845885
>g-g-gen 1 did it too!
Why is this always the defense of every single GF apologist?

>>27845885
>gameplay after finishing the game
>New Game
100% mental retardation

>>27845704
Explain please

>>27845885
The sad part is that this might actually not be bait

>>27845822
What do you get in Battle Frontier anyway?

>>27846000
So basically, they couldn't be assed to do it, and were lazy as fuck.

I wanted to believe X and Y were bad because it was just rushed by Nintendo because the 3DS needed sales badly, and GF weren't apt to go for it yet.

But then OR/AS happened. I cannot think of a bigger cashcrab.

>>27846088
Not him but iirc that was a small cave that opened up in the postgame and had absolutely nothing of interest inside. I think it had unique music too

>>27846099
For Emerald's Battle Frontier:
http://www.serebii.net/emerald/frontier.shtml
For Gen 4's Battle Frontier:
http://www.serebii.net/platinum/battlefrontier.shtml

>>27846099
Battle tower, and various pastes of it with stupid as hell rules.

The only acceptable one is the factory where you have to use random mons, that one is actually fun.


Most people complaining about battle frontier lack only miss it out of nostalgia, the only thing I'm missing is th factory, everything else was shit.

The maison we have now is basically a better version of the late battle tower.

>>27846088
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Altering_Cave

>>27845885
>New Game

wow that's the most fucking retarded thing I've ever read, off yourself as soon as possible

>>27846122
Oh THAT cave. I think it was meant to be used with special codes or some bullshit like that; then more or less rare pokemon would be able to be found there.

>>27846099
Fun, 4xEV training items and most competitive items like specs, band etc.

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>>27846112
>cashcrab

>>27846006
Its fucking ridiculous, yes. But then again, the Kalos map is as well (both in game and the official art)

>>27846130
>my opinion is everyone else's
I played Emerald for the first time right before OR and I miss the Frontier

>>27846130
Factory, that snake place and the pyramid were all great.

>>27845681
>>27845822

Gen 6 in a nutshell, essentially.

>>27846195
Snake place and Pyramid were a RNG shit fest though.
I liked them until I actually tried to get those fucking medals, like pretty much every facility in that hell of an island

>>27846156
Thing is that all those unreleased event pokemon were easily capturable in the safari zone.

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>>27846171

>>27846000
Masuda is not to blame. He was not the director but he is the public face of GameFreak.
Everyone always ask him decissions that he didnt take and he makes up whatever answer. Like when he said the flute event for Arceus could be confusing. Thats a made up answer to not explain the director decissions.

>>27846130
>not liking the pyramid
>not liking the pike
>not liking the dome
I'll agree that the factory is best though

And for gen 4,
>not liking the castle
>not liking the hall
>not liking the ones that were transferred from gen 3

Though,>>27846243 has a point, the medals can be a bit of a pain

did anyone like the bit in x and y where you had to go to the town and solve the door puzzle and you were worried you wouldn't be able to do it but luckily your child friend the girl had a puzzle solver and we were ok then

>>27846245
That's what I meant with "more or less". But yeah, making them captureable elsewhere (including Colosseum/XD I think) made the cave even more pointless.

>>27846254
Well, both post were me.
Don't get me wrong, Battle frontier was fun to play, but nothing more than a pain to complete.
When I finally did it, I never went to that place again, and when I saw HGSS had a battle frontier too, I was NOPE.
So I can't tell about gen 4.

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>>27845639

Walking into this place the first time is the most jarring thing I've ever experienced in a Pokemon game.

It's like nobody told the designers what 'negative possibility space' is. Yes it contains Mawilite (which is the ONLY thing in there btw) but that's only accessible in the post-game, so during the course of a normal playthrough this place is COMPLETELY pointless. Really, Gen 6 is littered with examples of this but to my mind Shabboneau is the worst culprit.

>>27845639
>Gen 6 post-games in general
>Gen 6 games in general

The graphic style in ORAS
>Its a GBA remake so its ok that everything is in squares and painted in basic colors. Its ok if Kalos looks better because it theme was beauty, unlike ORAS

Hoenn's diversity could have been impressive if the development time had been longer than just some months and if the director had been a guy with previous experience

>>27846278
If I'm not mistaken, I think it might have been a little bit easier?


I'm not sure though


Either way, I used my ingame teams for both of them as I didn't really know about EVs and IVs until after HGSS, though I still did get a few of the brains occasionally

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>>27846251
ORAS and gen 6 have masuda all over their titles.

Do you think masuda would've done IV training or removing gyms or not making the team a bunch of psychos?

Or so far not pushing the fuck out of megas on full force or actually using old additions like clothing choices?
And even now Ohmori has to bown down and listen to Masuda and follow what he says, example, rotom dex.
God knows how much Masuda butted in for ORAS but it looks like the complete and utter opposite of S/M so far.

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>>27846340
Its just RS with shitty 3D models. And not even 3D effect. Nor Emerald content.

To make up for it they just added a thousand legendaries everywhere in "misterious" portals.

>>27846382
They had shit themes.

>>27846382
What awful designs.

>>27846382
Here I disagree. They are top tier. Well written, good decoration and the fire girl had ties with Flare and presents you Spotpass news.

>>27846112
ORAS had less development time than XY did. It had a whole year with an entirely new director who'd never directed a Pokemon game before.

ORAS was way more rushed out than XY was. XY felt like them testing the waters of 3d graphics.

I used to shill gen VI a lot, most likely out of buyers remorse, but not anymore, I gotta admit that, while not the worst, gen VI is terribly lazy and quite a step back from gen V in a lot of aspects

>>27846443
>top tier
>only use 4 pokemon
>these pokemon are weak as fuck, unlike the ones from B/W
>no rematches
shameful

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>>27846278
>>27846348
I literally finished platinum frontier in a fucking flash, you don't even need to try much, just a good 3 pokemon with good balance and they would be able to deal with the facilities, might need a couple tries but still.
Emerald was a bit harder but the same thing applied except for those that used rental pokemon and what not.

And one thing people forget on the battle frontier is that this was before any wifi stuff and it was way harder to find anything competitive so this was the first time the majority of people came close to anything that really felt competitive.
It gave an actual challenge, it rewarded you with in game items and it was really fun, specially stuff like pyramid.
Getting to the top of the pyramid after a long challenge and then finding out Brandon has the fucking regis wasn't a thing most of us experienced at the time, not to mention more post game is always good.

>>27846473
Not only that, the entire team was clearly smaller in ORAS if you look at the credits.
>take a world and story already created
>take an engine already created
>put them together. no time to polish

ORAS

Andbthe sad thingbis that its selling like crazy numbers because its been two years without any other game and GO just attracted millions of new players who come asking about the newest game. So undeserving.

>>27846279
yes. ty anon.

also? parfum palace during the main game. i got lost in here because of how the player glides through the hallways, and i had such difficulty finding the stupid balcony. also too many fucking npc's with nothing important to say or offer. it was lazy because if game-tested i'm sure there would have been glaring problems.

>>27846382
>>27846421
>>27846440
>>27846443
While they're extremely forgetable and boring Malva is really the exception there.

The problem is that she wasn't explored enough, good design and story connecting her to team flare AND being the holo caster news anchor really put them out there.
Even more than the gym leaders, if only they did something like that with everyone else and if they showed her doing more stuff with flare then things would've been much better character wise, maybe even improve team flare overall.
The rest are just forgetable except maybe Drasna and Siebold didn't had enough time.

Masuda was a mistake

>>27846614
I find it baffling how different ORAS and SM look.
Your personal stance on pokemon design aside, SM look extremely polished on every regard, with little quirks everywhere while ORAS looked so fucking lifeless from day 1.

I just hope it stays like that and that it's the future of the series instead of going down the path XY started and ORAS continued

>>27845639
>Create Wishwishi's school form
>Don't bother making it coherent with the world (by making it work near the sea only)

>>27845771
>>27845814
Die faggy troll
Meming on Gen 6 will never make gay ass Gen 5 better

>>27846663
>create fish pokemon
>somehow you can use them without water around

>>27846614
Tajiri, Masuda and Sugimori are old and rich, also autistic. They should not be in charge anymore. They answer many things wrong, do not know how competive works, do not know core aspects of the series and have started making many bad decissions.
Im glad they are training younger devs to direct the games. Let Masuda just be in charge of the music until he dies. Sugimori already destroyed his original art style and Tajiri might aswell be dead and we wouldnt notice.

>>27846663
That would be gimping you and pretty fuck over anyone that wanted to use it for their teams since instead of the powered up form they're stuck with a magikarp tier pokemon.
Might as well why water pokemon can just stay up like that or whatever the fuck other million problems are.

Aesthetic should never interfeere with gameplay unless it was planned/done hand in hand.

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>>27845639
>a fucking circle

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>>27845639
Laziest shit of all games so far

>>27846719're a fucking retard if you can't tell it's been done on purpose.

>>27846705
It's not a circle. It's only a circle once you beat the league until then it's a straight line which curves occasionally.

>>27846643
>how different ORAS and SM look.
Both developments started when XY was finished.
One was finished in less than a year.
The other lasted thee years.

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>>27846671
Jeez Anon, did you sit on a broomstick covered in fire ants or something?

>>27846719
That actually made me laugh. It shows how self-conscious they were about he linearity. BW2 did many things right in terms of content but the story mode was linear as shit and the story a step back.

>>27846728
This "argument" was already used to justify XY's first route by >>27845885

>>27846761

But Anon it's okay when gen 5 does something bad.

>>27846749
This meme is by far the most annoying though
Okay you didnt like Gen 6, but seeing literal autist lie on the internet about not remembering key parts of the game to make it seem bad is starting be really cringey

>>27846671
You don't need to galseflag. Kalosperms already do a pretty good job at making fools of themselves.

>>27846761
Except dancers are a joke about stupid roadblocks like dogs, kid that tell you "nah, get the first badge" or any other bullshit reason than happens in any RPG ever.

Kalos' Route 1 is just plain shit.

>>27845965
>>27845979
>>27846006
And there are apologists who claim this was intentional, a subtle deep lore insert, referencing a) Hoopa and portal shenanigans and b) the Alola islands.

Deepest lore? Or derpest lure?

>>27846684
Lets just pretend Pokemom are magical monsters instead of real animals so they actually can have fights in land even if the are fish related. And they live in water bodies because they are simply more comfortable there

>>27846788
Except Kalos route 1 was a joke about useless first routes in pokemon games where you find only shitmons and no trainers, they ironized on it by making it even more useless

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>>27846779
>you didnt like Gen 6

Says who? Are people not allowed to forget things about games that they haven't played in a couple years?

Pic related you retarded fagnugget, you're getting your panties in a bunch over nothing.

>>27846819
Then why Route 2 holds this role ?

>>27846819
They ironized even more by making route 2 and 3 be exactly like that.

>>27846847
Wrong
It has a trainer

>>27846779
Hey, that was me.

I like Gen VI just fine man. I just haven't played it in years and my memory's not the greatest.

No need to get so upset over it bud

>>27846863
So what makes a route not useless is having trainers ?
Damn, so much useless routes.

>>27846380
>listen to Masuda and follow what he says, example, rotom dex.

Source?
And it could have also been that Masuda didn't butt in to ORAS, and that is why it is so shit

>>27845639
Another gen 6 hate thread? fuck off

I can totally accept XY having problems like these. These games were a major improvement in graphics, models and animations, it added a new type, greatly improved online battles and competve training, created Amie and the PSS and offered customization and lots of new elements.

Its ORAS where I have a problem. They had no excuse. And why would they rush a game if you wont release anything else until almost 2017? I would have totally waited extra months to have a quality product for this long period of time.

>>27846719
One of the greatest moments in the franchise imho, famfetch'd.

>>27846876
Yeah sure
This board keeps meming about forgetting XY cities, gym leaders, pokemon, rivals, vilain, team used ingame...etc

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>>27846799
Then there's the whole southern kalos
or the route paths
Or the towns that you can see right there but they're never accessible.

Gotta accept it the game was rushed as fuck and things were cut left and right.

>>27846819
How is a joke if that aspect is never once mentioned in the game.
Not to mention the first route on the generation right before that one had a good route 1 that was revisited later and opened up other paths.

That's just grasping at straws.

>there was no battle frontier as a joke about how people were obsessed with post game/in game dev joke about post game/whatever

>>27846911
Well, I actually forgot.

>>27846911
Okay, maybe they are, but I'm not one of em. I genuinely just forgot.

>>27846886

Masuda oversaw a lot of ORAS. He wanted it to be less frustrating because cellphone games destroyed the hand held market so he wanted the games to be accessible and easy to play so people wouldn't put them down.

Which is sadly pretty damn accurate to how most people are now. Pokemon is a game for 6 year olds after all and the six year olds I know would rather play a trash cellphone game than a good 3DS game.

And ORAS isn't shit. It's biggest crime is being decent.

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>>27846911
Cry more you autistic bitch

>>27846819
You are wrong.
>>27846719 is a joke, you may not like it, but it's still just a joke about roadblocks.
Kalos Route 1 and the 100% catchrate on Route 2 have nothing ironic, just lazyness

>>27846886
http://nintendoeverything.com/pokemon-sunmoon-devs-on-gameplay-changes-improvements-setting-battle-royal-pokemon-go-more/

– Another interesting factor in Sun and Moon is how the Pokedex is becoming a “Rotom-dex”. This came from a thought that it would be interesting if the Pokedex can speak and answer questions. From there someone said “Wouldn’t it be interesting if Rotom can enter the Pokedex and explain various things!?”, and the team picked that idea.
– Ohmori said it was very hectic to implement that into the game, but Masuda really wanted that feature to be added. He thought the idea of having the Pokedex navigate players through their journeys would be interesting.

So even if something is not working and they don't see the appeal, if Masuda pushes enough he can still get over the director.

And ORAS has a lot of the issues that plagued XY and Masuda was ALL over ORAS, Ohmori was the director but Masuda basically acted like the overseer and now Ohmori has more freedom since it's a complete new generation and that he has worked hard on.
I think it's pretty safe to say so far that Masuda is just out of touch and he shouldn't be directing or calling big shots anymore.

>>27846918
>there was no battle frontier as a joke about how people were obsessed with post game/in game dev joke about post game/whatever

But that's true
All of GF's fuck ups are actually jokes, and Gen V is the biggest joke of all

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>>27846965
...there's a 100% catch rate on route 2?

Jesus fucking christ Masuda I hope Sun and moon change this

>>27845936
GameFreak pandering to smartphone casuals and little kids. They claim that the average modern player doesn't have time for the battle frontier.

>>27846918
There were so many points in my first run of XY where I was attempting to access content which simply was not there.


Does anyone remember the threads where anon's would try to 'solve the mysteries' of the sewers and all the other stupid shit which simply didn't exist?

There was one particularly deluded post which sticks in my mind to this day, where an anon said something along the lines of

>don't you realise?! this is IT!! Game Freak are no longer holding our hands and spoon feeding us any more, it's like Gen1 ALL OVER AGAIN! There are no guides right now, just mysteries, and we have to delve into the unknown and solve them ourselves!!

I do hope someone screencapped that shit. It is saved permanently in my mind. I wonder how long they spent scratching their head before giving up and using an escape rope?

>>27846911
The power plant isn't exactly one of the most memorable moments in the game, it's pretty normal that someone would forget about it. Then again I can't expect an underage Kalosperm who called someone a "faggy troll" to think logically.

>>27846969
It's the traditional Japanese "The higher ups of a company are old coots really out of touch with their audience" at work here, I say.

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>>27846983
>>27846777
>>27846671
Why the fuck do you people just immediately switch to gen V bashing whenever someone mentions a bad aspect of gen 6.

Why not just defend or counter those arguments.

No one even mentioned gen V before that, what the fuck is your problem with gen V people.

>>27846985
Also, the first Pokémon you will see will always be Pidgey. No matter what.

>>27846985
It's the exact same on ORAS Route 101, apparently. I've caught several Zorua at full health with Poke Balls there.

>>27846918
Do you have any more screenshots of inaccessible towns or is that the only one?

>>27847018
Its Hoenn defenders all over again. I remember many years ago when someone criticized the old Hoenn games for not having day/night, no transfer system or the designs not looking like pokémon, theyd just start bashing Johto as their defense

>>27847018
They know gen 6 is indefensible so when someone criticizes it they resort to bashing gen V and "g-gen 1 did it too".
This is coming from a gentoo faggot who doesn't even like gen 5.

>>27847018

Because most gen VI bashing ends with gen V praise. And it's usually something gen V did.

Problems with the franchise itself are often attributed to only gen VI, when gen VI's flaws are just glossed upon or ignored. For example I agree that gen VI feels unfinished at certain points and you can even tell what stuff was saved for a third version, and what stuff was cut for time

VI has a lot of flaws, but V had a lot of those same fucking flaws. Some of these flaws have been around since gen III. V shouldn't get a free pass for them.

B2W2 is my favorite game too but this bored sucks its cock way too much.

>>27845639
> all of Gen V
> not releasing that Arceus-unlocking flute
> kalos power plants. Thanks, OP
> Lugia in sea spirit's den
> no hidden ability releases for kanto birds, johto beasts, Hoenn Golems, Sinnoh's pixies, and Unova's Swords of Justice

>>27847018
>Why the fuck do you people just immediately switch to gen V bashing whenever someone mentions a bad aspect of gen 6.

Because Gen 6 hate is mostly scapegoating by Gen 5 lover to shift the object of criticisms
If you brwse this board often, you'll notice that whenever Gen 5 is attacked, its defenders will start memeing about Gen 6

>>27847059
see
>>27845965
>>27845639
Also power plants with different layouts/architecture on top of one looking like a winds plant, solar plant, etc.

That was probably the place were the Kalos legendary trio was gonna be before it got scrapped and with it it, the facilities.


And it's kinda hard to find them, it was hard enough to find that one and had to look for victory road images but on top of those zones there's also unused stuff and cryptic stuff like the messages on random places with no meaning what so ever or the never used train.

>>27845885
>Hurr durr because gen 1 had sooooooo much more variation.
That's the thing though. Gen1 had genuine hardware limitations that disallowed custom overworlds for every single character. Meanwhile, there is no excuse for XY.

What am I saying, this is either shitty bait or generic Kalosperm defense so it's mental retardation either way.

>>27847144
You can get the Hidden Ability Golems if you buy Pokebank :^)

>>27847145
>>27847085
No, I don't actually.
I see someone saying X/Y was bad in x thing and then people bringing up gen v out of nowhere.

Then people posts good points on gen v and they're ignored/brushed off/returns to just gen v bashing.


BW had tons of issues like the other games but it also had tons of pluses, not to mention it probably has the least amount of flaws., but games are meant to ADVANCE and XY, besides the 3D aspect, felt like a huge step back.
>>27847179
Basically this, the better the hardware and with the budget and planning these games have, things like XY shouldn't happen.
I get it, making models was difficult but they could've offset that by making interns work on them and then higher ups polishing final touches/making them lower poly/etc

>>27847178
I was actually planning on restarting X and listing all of the content I suspect was cut in a thread.

>>27847144
>all of gen 5

You're not going to b8 me this time anon

>>27845885
You fuck off, you auty spergling

>>27846985
Who cares? Like, legitimately? Does it REALLY matter? I can understand the anger on principle I guess but it doesn't actually matter.

>>27847260
I'm playing X in preparation for SM since I'm missing X exclusive stuff (played Y and gen 6 was the first one in years where I didn't complete the pokedex in that particular game) and I've been noticing a couple.
I noticed a path on the side of victory road as well and I never noticed about that victory road town until my brother pointed it out.

>>27845936
The battle frontier in HGSS was a copy pasted facility. It already existed for Platinum. It wasn't a new thing.

>>27845991
What will Alola babies be called? Aloleggs?

>>27847328
Yeah but G/S never had a battle frontier.
In fact crystal barely had a fucking battle tower.
On top of that, that battle frontier had 2 entirely new routes with several paths and events with legendary encounters with new themes and the added zoo.
So not only we get battle tower, we get the whole facility again with added goodies.

Let's not forget this was also a 2 region game too.


Meanwhile ORAS basically removed any zoo function and flat out removed not only battle frontier but also battle tower, because making tower would require work instead of copy pasting the maison.
And the ORAS legendary goodies? Bunch of random legendaries on the stupidest places, and to save time they just threw them out on the same portal/showed up on the same location as past ones/some showed up in a room sized island.

Worst part is their teams didn't got remade like HG/SS, it didn't even got changed to fit ORAS music style and sound font like the HGSS frontier, it was flat out copy pasted and uses the exact same tune and font from the older games to save time.


The difference is night and day.

>>27846705

>8/19 major locations are in a circle
>Lel xD the whole map is just a circle!!!

>>27847245

>Gift Pokemon

BW had, overall, 11 of these counting the daily fossil mons. XY has 6, which is in line with most games. Without the daily fossil mons it's still 5.

>Constant stopping by side characters

BW stops you at every chance to drag you along to different parts of the stories. They force you take certain paths over others, they make you go to places that otherwise would feel optional. The game is just as frustrating with it as gen VI is.

>Handholding

As you enter the first two gyms you're stopped and told what to go get to have an easy time beating the leader. You're given a type-monkey to make the first gym easier and to teach you about something your rival battle was always meant to teach you, and that the game teaches you about through the terrible gym puzzle. XY's gym puzzles are shit on a lot but BW's are just as terrible. The second gym outright tells you which books hold the answers.

The region is a straight line with a few twists and turns here and there and most of isn't anything to write home about.

Outside of the feeling of being unfinished at parts most of XY's flaws are flaws that have plagued the series as a whole. I'm sick of VI getting singled out for flaws that the entire series needs to be called out on.

>>27847260

I'd like to see this. I know there's the obvious ones like the power plant and Rhyhorn racing, and the train, but I'd like to see minor stuff people might have missed. Like things random NPCs hint at like the bike races.

>>27847397
themes*

>>27847342
Alolasomes

>>27847450
>bike races

Wait what?

>>27847476
second gym with the huge bike streets and everyone talking about bike races.

There's an obvious race track there but nothing ever happened, feelis like everything noteworthy in kalos that gives attitude to the region just ended right before you got there.

>>27847476

In Cyllage. I know Grant mentions that you just missed it, but I believe a few others talk about the races too. A few people assume that there was likely racing cut from the city.

The city was clearly built for it too.

What is the entirety of Gen 6, Alex?

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>>27847260
You've got my full support, anon. I hated Kalos after I just explored it once the story was over. My God, it's painfully obvious half the towns had features that should have been there, but weren't. I'd love for someone to break it down piece by piece just so we can see where it all went wrong.

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>>27847510

Not only is the track obvious but you can also see where it can split into three lengths too.

They key is though: Was this stuff cut for time, or was it cut because they knew they wanted to do a third version, that got scrapped to focus on SM clearly, this time around and were saving content for it?

>>27845639
>lazy gf examples
KRISTEN, who WON'T DO THE FUCKING DISHES

>>27847584
I still feel like kalos revisiting is a strong possibility

Strange souvenir being there from a backpacker talking about their champion being something else (chinese leak says you build the league after all) and that looks like a tapu on top of being a tiki figurine from Hawaii when the next gen is Hawaii makes it obvious they had Alola planned a long time ago.

I mean, what was the last time Pokemon had a completely useless item with no meaning on a game?
Why not just put this thing as a statue or something?

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>>27847397
>because making tower would require work
You remind me of a certain anon.

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>>27847641
Fuck forgot image

>>27847584
They should just release Pokemon Z with all the missing features.

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>>27847658
You just ignored the entire post.
Not only HGSS didn't had battle frontier, it was added with new routes leading to it, really innovative routes too with several new things and legendary events.

The HGSS team said, ok, we can add battle tower, but why not add battle tower AND the rest of the frontier so there's even more content.
And since it might be too little, let's also add a couple routes AND this safari zone to it.
Also, thanks to you posting that image I can tell they did work on the frontier looks and colors on some areas, so it's not completely copy pasted, it has some improvements on something that wasn't even there before.

ORAS team said, fuck it, let's not even add what was there before, let's REMOVE IT and replace it with a feature not many liked just to save some work.

>>27846705

>Region is designed with purpose and evoking the theme of unity that's present throughout the game
>HURR IT'S LAZY

>>27847676

As >>27847641 said revisiting Kalos is a strong possibility.

These games parrallel gen 1 and 2 a lot and it'd be pretty simple.

One could only hope a revisited Kalos will include at least Rhyhorn racing.

>>27845936
>battle frontier
I thought that was Emerald only?

>>27847066
But Hoenn games are better than the original Johto games. You'd have to be wearing nostalgia goggles to say otherwise. Which is hilarious because that's what Johto defenders say about Genwunners whenever it's their games getting shit on.

>>27847245
>not to mention it probably has the least amount of flaws

False

>>27847916

Hey guess what? Sinnohfetuses do it to Hoennbabies too.

Its almost like every gen is loved more for nostalgia than its actual worth. Go figure.

>>27847938

Outside of gen I I find all Pokemon games equally flawed. XY have a bit more of an edge against them because of the unfinished aspects though. The games are fun if you just shut up and play but they're just noticeable when you go looking for them. Kind of like gen I and its glitches.

>>27847450
I feel you mistake optional Pokemon to get like the monkey, rather than people coming up to you for you to take their pokemon

>>27848271

It's all the same shit. XY made it easier, but they're all gift Pokemon at the end of the day.

>>27847790
Trying too hard to justify GF's lazyness m8

Anyone else really bummed out we didn't get a Z version? Kalos wasn't most people's favorite region, but that's the point. A Z version could really flesh out Kalos properly like Platinum, Emerald, etc.

>>27847292
If it doesn't matter why did they change it you're likely to catch them there anyways. That's how fucking little they thought of players

>>27848308
I really hope that the reason we didn't is that we'll go back in another game.

The computer. I haven't played past black/white so I don't know if they fixed it but the whole "deposit pokemon" "withdraw pokemon" stayed the same for so many gens without them bothering to do something about how incredibly inefficient that interface was.

>>27848283
>XY made it easier
That's the problem

>>27847450
>I'm sick of VI getting singled out for flaws that the entire series needs to be called out on.
Well you better get fucking used to it Kalosbabby, because gen 6's justified hatred isn't going away any time soon.
SM hype is driving home the point even further, I've seen more Kalosbabbies admit that gen 6 really was shit after SM has improved on it in so many areas.
It's truly beautiful. Fuck Kalos, XY, gen 6, and fuck anyone who liked it.

>>27848283
Well there's a difference between a man handing you fossils after beating mandatory trainers rather than exploring an optional route inside relic castle (?) then backtracking to the second gym is a bit different. Also you can't even reject the Kanto starters and

>>27848356

what? They added move pokemon in gen 2 and the boxes have been just getting easier to use ever since.

>>27848367
Gen 5 hate aint going anywhere either, Unovabortion
Especially outside of this board where it's still the most hated generation

>>27847584
Wtf i dont even remember this city.

>>27848418
Why does there have to be separate menus for depositing and withdrawing pokemon at all? It's just a pain in the ass.

>>27847658
Also I feel this is important to mention. This is the first generation since the generation with the battle tower was introduced to only have one facility 15 years apart. They already improved it from DP

>>27848426
>I know you are what am I

Are you a fucking child?

>>27848443
...
You are supposed to use Move Pokemon instead of Deposit and Withdraw

>>27845639
Does this entire route count?

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North entrance of meteor falls. Outside.

>>27848436
I think it's some city in Eastern Unova
God, Gen V was so forgettable I'm not even sure

>>27847667
>>27847641
Well, there was the God Stone in Black/White, that had some relation to Kyurem (theoretically); it never got used, as you can guess.

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>>27848518
Inside.

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Does this count?

>>27848539
God I forgot how shit Meteor Falls looked inside there, goddamn

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>>27845639
The models as a whole, washed out and the animations are garbage.

>>27846918
What about Route paths?

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>>27848572
Yes. But do you see it? The outside entrance is on a wall, but there's no wall on the inside.

Here's another one. GF didn't even fix the grass textures.

>>27848356
>I failed to learn to use a new option that's been in since the GBA games
>This is GF's fault

>>27846996
That's honestly incredibly depressing.

>>27848601
If by "washed out" you mean "look more like official artworks due to getting ride of terrible GameBoy-likes graphics", yep

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>>27848662
>Defending this
I honestly have no idea why you are still living.

>>27848635
That shit would literally just take 4 minutes, oh my god.

>>27847260
Fuck, do it man. And when you post it we can all help out

>>27848662
> Kalosperms are this delusional

>>27848601
I feel like the models werent as good as they could've been because they'd take up too much space in the game is they went into every detail.
But yes a lot of pokemon were ruined by models, I hope they get new ones. still 100% better than sprites.

>>27848436
I know that feeling. I've been replaying XY for a living dex and I legitimately have no memory of visiting half the towns or cities.

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>>27848697
One of the worst exemple you could have chosen
Charizard's DP sprite is terrible, not only because of its overly bright colors, but also because of the retarded pose it holds

Btw, here's Charizard official artwork
Compare it to both those on your pic and tell me which has the closest color scheme

>>27848697
they could use a bit more saturation but if all the pokemon were as colourfull as their sprites thatd be an eye sore

>>27848739
The coloration and posing can be changed, easily, if they wanted to, and thats what you have an actual problem with, not the model itself.
As for "could've been better", theyre literally designed for hardware far beyond what a 3ds can handle.
AAA titles use far less Polygons than Pokemon models do; there is no reason why Marshtomp justifies 12,000 triangles.

Every region is forgettable to someone. I can barely remember anything in gen 3. Probably a blessing in retrospect.

>>27848776
>anime art
>official

>>27848524
>>27848436
>>27848756
Is this some epic new meme? Thats the city with the back path, islands, and the rock gym.
And also the best boutique. It's right below Route 10

>>27845771
>>27848436
>>27848756
This meme should be a bannable offense

>>27848776
>anime.png

I don't know the one that looks more intimidating personally

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Caitlin's mugshot was clearly unfinished in Platinum, I think it might have been fixed in HGSS

>>27848662
>he defends Pinsir's disgusting washed out grey color instead of a beautiful brown

>>27848418
>you had to SAVE to use the move pokemon feature

I think in one of the later gens they move the "Move Pokemon" selection closer to the top or something

>>27848776
>20 year old anime art
>relevant

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>>27848797
Okay, here's non-anime one
Face it, Charizard official art has always been like that

>>27848823
What the fuck, I never knew she was in the gen 4 games. Never played much of the BF but still. Any more interesting tidbits of characters appearing in future games like this?

>>27848492
I think that's the point anon's trying to make. Why keep those options after they implemented a superior one that does both? Keeping them just means you need to press more buttons to go to the option you want.

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>>27848776
Let's use the HGSS sprite then, it looks exactly like what a Charizard should look like, the stronger colors only complement the design, making it look fierce and stronger and the fact it isn't always flying is a plus.

I'm not even a Charizard fan and the quality is obviously much higher.

>>27848838
Hey that looks a lot like the Gen 5 Sprite

>>27848873
Nope. Unless you count Cynthia and Looker

>>27848635
Are you sure you aren't mixing up entrances?

>>27848899
Are you color blind?
It's yellowish orange, like the model
Gen 5 sprite was oversaturated bright orange

>>27848873
That one rocket grunt from gen 2 iirc and the Magma and Aqua couple (that's where the one in ORAS came from) are both in a house in BW and BW2 respectively

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>>27847790
>>27847428
>>27846729
So gen 5 is the autistic one now hmm

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>>27848901

>>27848873
Sabrina is a movie star in BW2.

And the typical cross gen stuff like Maylene in Olivine City and Jasmine in Sunyshore.

>>27848964
Never knew this.

>>27848873
Crasher wake shows a bit in HGSS and BW2 I don't know why they like him

>>27849003
Because it's not true, the lass isnt' called Dawn

>>27848962
Nah, it's still 6

>>27849003
Typical Gen 5 fan, naive and dumb

>>27848893
I like it's 3d model but this is undeniably the best charizard. HGSS had the best sprites, I was so disappointed they reused dp sprites for bw and not these.

>>27845639
Has anybody mentioned Shellos' HGSS dex entry or Kyurem's White dex entry yet? Those things were ridiculously short.

>>27849042
How am I gen 5 fan? Its my least like one.

>>27846698
Sugimori's new artstyle is superior
Sorry not sorry.

Masuda should stick to music or at least take advice from the fans

>>27849063
Because he's trying to bait people I guess Kalosperms like to derail threads they're losing

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>>27849070
>Sugimori at his peak
right around this time.

>>27849001
Yeah, whatever happened to the universe timeline? Gens 1 and 3 occurred at the same time, some point later gens 2 and 4 also occurred at the same time. But I haven't been paying attention since BW came out. Is the timeline even still a thing or is it just a mess?

>>27846705
You shouldn't have used the map from BW2 if you wanted to make an actual point

>>27846046
I love Gen V and all but if I see another person post Grimer as a defense to why Vanillite sucks I might flip a table.

>>27849092
ORAS implies that all the all the past games before XY take place in at least one different dimensions

But ORAS and XY contridicate each other constantly and are so poorly planned that they can't be 100% in the same canon themselves

So don't think about it

>>27849092
Gen 1/3, gen 2/4, bw1, bw2, xy/oras

>>27849063
Nice falseflaging

>>27849127
As if someone had to falseflag to make Kalosperms look dumb

>>27849149
>I don't know what falseflag means
Okay you're clearly shitposting now. I never mentioned gen 5 in my three word post.

>>27848832

In gen VI you can ask the system creator to move it to the very top of your list when you meet them.

>>27846382
What. I liked gen 6 elite four.

>>27848601
There are problems with the models, but animations definitely aren't one of them.

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>>27846705
I love the circle. People often complain about it, but I'll tell you why it's genius. It just feels... right. The circular shape makes for a cohesive and tightly-knit world that no other region has. There are no awkward dead ends or wasted spaces that you passed through once and never came back for again. Every location in Unova serves a purpose. It's extremely cozy.
Critics often point out that it's "linear" but so what? Every Pokemon game is linear. Sure, in some earlier games you could defeat a gym or two in a different order but does it really matter? At the end of the day you're still going to have to backtrack and then travel the same exact path as everyone else, be it Kanto or Kalos, so why not embrace the linearity and craft a region with this specifically in mind? This is what gen 5 did and it's fantastic.

>>27848893
I still like the 3d model better

>>27849192

I don't get why people single out the gen VI elite 4. I can't even name any of the gen V or IV ones off the top of my head and I've beaten both groups plenty of times. I can only remember III because I just beat ORAS.

The e4 in general is kind of forgettable past Kanto and maybe Johto. And even they're not much to write home about. They're just kind of boring and only serve to pad out the difficulty of the Champion by wearing you out a bit. Especially at this point. Glad SM might do away with them.

>All this gen 5 v gen 6
What about generation 3 and generation 4?

>>27849258
Because

>Gen V is the best :DDD
>USA USA USA

Americans ruin this board with their blind nationalism

>>27849029
She is.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/S.S._Anne
The "Professor" is named Lamar though, which kinda invalidates the theory.

>>27846515
>only use 4 pokemon
>these pokemon are weak as fuck, unlike the ones from B/W
>no rematches
yes, shameful
However these points don't refute his opinion, which I agree with, that the Kalos E4 are well designed characters with good dialogue (though little of it)
The 3 points you made all tie into XY being a lazy, unfinished rush job and Masuda not caring to make the games in any way more difficult or lengthy

>>27849291
Gen 3 sucked dick until Emerald

Gen 4 sucked dick until Platinum

>>27848823
They need to this more often: bring a character from a previous gen and make them prominent in a future game. They might as well too because at this point there will be roughly 100 gymleaders, E4 members, Frontier leaders, etc. and so many of them are forgettable with no personality.

>>27849308
I used to shill gen V a lot, most likely out of buyers remorse, but not anymore, I gotta admit that, while not the worst, gen V is terribly awful and quite a step back from gen IV in a lot of aspects

>>27849092
Don't think about it.

ORAS wants to separate Gen 6 from the rest yet XY took place during BW2. Just ignore anything Gen 6 says about the timeline

>>27848952
What BW2 house has a Magma/Aua couple?

>>27849384
See >>27848472

>>27849332
> BW has the best base game
> Could have had the best Pokemon game ever with some fixing up like E and Pt

> haha let's throw together a sequel in a year to do something different xD

>>27849475
>implying that was a bad thing

I mean it could have been, but it wasnt

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Well that cave sure was fun okay let's head on over to Azalea- oh, there's a route here I guess

>>27849440
It's the same one in Icirrus that had the former Rocket grunt, the one only accessible in winter.

>>27849492
Still better than what happened to Route 23.

>>27849497
Shit, its Winter now. let me go check it out

>>27849535
Do NOT forget to talk to that other guy that's there apart from the grunts. You'll love what he'll do for you.

>>27849384

I've been replaying it and I loved it the first time. My one friend said it felt soulless, empty, and boring on his playthrough. Said Platinum was better and I constantly told him he was crazy but honestly he was right.

Unova is so empty and bland. I don't remember anything about this game and I've cleared it four times before this. It's sad because it was my favorite Pokemon game before this.

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One thing that bothers me is how they treated Zygarde. Zygarde was catchable in both X and Y, just like how Giratina was catchable in DP and how fug was catchable in RS. But, those were backed up with a third game afterwards that gave those legendaries more significance. Instead they gave us shitty remakes and Zygarde was practically useless for two whole games until an entirely new generation was introduced.

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>>27849520
Christ

>>27849621

Zygarde feels really tacked onto SM and I still maintain that the anime feels like it's promoting a game that doesn't exist at the moment.

>>27848554
>http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Altering_Cave

This makes me fucking mad, why on earth did they never release the item? Was it that fucking hard? The event was already programmed and it had a lot of atmosphere and the music was so eerie, I loved this.

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>>27849492
>>27849520

Could be even worse.

Could have let you off right in town.

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>>27849308
>People like an entry in a game series
>Better get all jingoistic about it

>>27849639
I always liked how unique/weird Kantos pre-victory-road-route was. Lots of different terrain, small patches of grass (with, among others, Ditto IIRC) and then these strangely positioned statues. Good times.

>>27847328
And HGSS isn't good. Granted it's not bad either.

>>27849550
People shit on seasons for making content inaccessible for a while and I agree, but I felt real cool going "Oh shoot, it's winter, I can finally pop by that area now."

It really did help make the world feel more alive, even if it wasnt perfect.

>>27848873
Professor Oak loves to travel

>>27849654
I think that it would have been a more interesting pokemon if they had given it some attention in its designated games. They wouldn't even have to make amother, maybe it would have helped the lack of post-game content.

>>27847144
We've already had the hidden abilities for the birbs and golems distributed though

>>27845885
Nice bait with the last one

>>27849092
Gen V takes place 5 to 10 years after the Johto and Sinnoh events. We are not sure on the exact amount. BW2 is 2 years after BW.

Then gen VI came out and we went full Zelda. There are alternative universes without mega enolution. Anyway, a GameFreak dev twitted that XY and BW2 occur simultaneously.

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>>27849639
i liked so much how each guard verified your badge, it made it so formal, serious business

Also about lazyness

>picture related

>>27849700
What am I looking at here?

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>>27848635
Damn, that thumbnail made me think that was an RSE screenshot for a second.

>>27849774

This is the third game curse really.

Don't expect Marshadow to get much love either.

Rayquaza, Kyurem, Giratina. They've all basically been in that situation. I admit it sucks though.

Kalos really, really, needed that third version to polish it up and make it a stronger region.

>>27849888
He/she's talking about how the cave comes out right into town.

>>27849888

Chargestone Cave's exit is almost dead smack in front of the Pokemon Center.

>>27849888
Your typical Gen 5 "city" with its numerous houses and stuff

>>27849926
I mean that's dumb definitely but it norning like removing all that other shit. Another game has done it too I think

>>27847178
>>27847059
>>27847260

Don't forget the Rhydon Racetrack

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>>27849639
Route 23 is my favourite Route in RBY
Completely gone in GS

>>27849958

Route 33 is a Johto route. I was comparing it to the Johto route, saying it was worse. Which isn't by much.

>>27845681
What's the problem here?

>>27849948
I'd take a nice cozy little town over the godawful clusterfuck that was Lumiose City. Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking? The camera was one of the worst cameras I've ever experienced in any game, the cafes were pointless... and it felt like it was big only for the sake of being big. I hated all the loading screens too. Felt really disconnected.

>>27849994
everything

>>27846985
Masuda isn't making Sun and Moon so here's hoping it's not the trash that gen vi was

>>27845714
Ravaged Path?

>>27847018
The contrary happens even more often
Look at this >>27849997

>>27849907
It sucks as well because Kalos will always remain an incomplete region because of the lack of effort in it. I doubt there will be any remakes in the distant future, so it's really a waste of opportunity and time.

>>27850025
Even people who loved Kalos hated Lumiose

And small towns isnt a Gen V flaw, every single game has less buildings than it should.

>>27849419
>yet XY took place during BW2
Wait, it did? I can't remember timeline shit at all.

>>27845714
The part of Mt Coronet between Jubilife and Oreburgh?

>>27848659
The fact that people believed or the fact that their false beliefs are permanently screencapped into my brain?

>>27850057
It's just "implied"

Everything else makes sense though like being after Bw

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More like annoying than lazy but really pissed me off

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>>27845936
>>27846000
Couldn't they at least just have reskined the maison and called it Tower instead?

>>27850142
No cause then people would be bitching "why even reskin it if it's the exact same thing"

>>27846000
Let's be honest here. This was just some dumb excuse because ORAS had less than a year of development and they probably didn't want to spend too much effort on the game.
I'm so glad SM looks like a step up.

Do we know who the director of SM is?

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The ultimate example.

>>27850171
The same guy who directed ORAS.

Are you exited yet?

Eventually, they wlll release Z, the definitive Kalos game.
We also still need to see the complete Tao dragon so they will eventually make Gray, tying the stories of B and W 1 and 2.
And they didnt include Emerald content in ORAS so they will eventually make DE.
They also havent remade Yellow, Crystal and wont remake Platinum in the next DP remakes. So they will eventually make Thunder Yellow, Mind Crystal and Pt remake.

Since none of these come in pairs hopefully they are all released in the same generation when graphical and technical capabilities reach a high point.

>>27845639
there was clearly dlc planned but due the games failed launch and general fan disapproval of dlc it was scrapped

>>27849656
Wasn't it supposed to be an e-reader feature? The Japanese version of Colosseum has something similar. But the e-reader bombed super hard, never even came out in Europe. The cards to change the cave where never released.

>>27850057
It isnt stated in game, but the director tweeted it

>>27850215
masuda had a lot of say in ORAS though. the new dude is alone with SM

>>27850215
As for SM, anyone who expects anything more than ORAS or XY is simply deluded. SM has had more dev time but all signs still point to it being mediocre. Late gen IV and gen V were so good, the pinnacle of the series. What went fucking wrong?

>>27848838
that doesn't mean it looks better.

>>27845822
again DLC was planned but scrapped due to the game flopping and general disapproval of the concept by fans

>>27850276
>the game flopping
Sadly this is not the case

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>>27850327
you wish

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>>27845639

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>>27850385
If GF was lazy, why would they think to give Zygarde 10% a glowing asshole?

>>27850474
They forgot to color in that part.

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>>27850215
I won't blame him for everything...dude gave me one of my favorite features with dexnav.

>>27849024
Because he's the only memorable Gen 4 gym leader.

>>27850396
No, this is the opposite of that. In BW there's Greenhouses. It's a part of the nature vs tech theme they had going

>>27847584
Interestingly, isn't this more or less the exact point in the game were the pacing and story is pretty much dropped too?

>>27850272
>All signs
Where are these so-called "signs"?

>>27850906
Pretty much yes. The game would have been at least 5 times as long if it kept up that pace.

>>27850272
Feel free to explain because I've been loving what I've seen so thus far with S&M, much more so than what I was seeing with Gen 6 hype.

>>27850005
My bad, thought he was talking about the intro screen

>>27850072
That wasn't part of Coronet, it was just a tunnel

>>27845936
>>barely any change or improvements
Not him but it literally made the most changes of all remakes thus far.

>>27850215
Isn't he literal GOAT tho? I thought the only problem with ORAS was the rushed development. What little the director managed to shove in was absolute top tier (like dexnav)

>>27847450
The other obvious one is that Calem/Serena and Shauna supposedly get the Kanto starters you didn't choose (and C/S gets the fossil you didn't choose), but you never see Venusaur/Charizard/Blastoise (and Tyrantrum/Aurorus) in their final teams.

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>>27850276
>DLC in pokemon

>>27847774
I'm laughing.

>>27847774
>it was added with new routes leading to it
Except it was slapped in the exact same place the tower was in crystal. The only additional route was the one up to the Safari Zone which contrary to what you say were barren routes that only contained an area for Groudon, Kyogre and Rayquaza which were just a single room.

>The HGSS team said, ok, we can add battle tower, but why not add battle tower AND the rest of the frontier so there's even more content
Dance around the point but they just copy and pasted it from Platinum. There was no discussion beyond.
>eh, just slap it in.

>And since it might be too little, let's also add a couple routes AND this safari zone to it.
A couple in the literal sense seeing as they were just two routes along with the laziest zone yet to the point where they had to pad it out by making the pokemon unlock over time.

>Also, thanks to you posting that image I can tell they did work on the frontier looks and colors on some areas
It's literally the same thing.

>ORAS team said, fuck it, let's not even add what was there before
Not that the BF was in XY outside of a passing mention of the Sinnoh one.

>>27850276
>due to the game flopping
It's the second best selling remake and on track to become the best.
That's far from flopping.