>even if Roothoot is real >he's going to be NU at best

Probably. But it might get a movepool or Hidden Ability that saves it.

>>27844064

I have a uneasy feeling this fucker is gonna end up getting the greninja treatment.

>>27844089
How do you manage that with Grass/Flying though, even Protean can only do so much.

not if it gets gale wings.

>>27844186
>grass/flying

Movepool/ability/stats > typing

Lets just wait and see.

>>27844186
Protean was most of the reason Greninja went to ubers though, even with its great movepool you don't see people using torrent Greninja.

>>27844186
Of the three Grass/Flying types that exist, only Jumpluff is able to be one shot by Ice Shard. The two that aren't Shaymin-S have the world's worst movepools combined with weather depenant abilities.

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>yfw hidden ability is Keen Eye

>>27844294
It'll probably get its own high crit ratio signature move and Super Luck as a hidden ability, for 50% crit rate cheese.

>>27844249
>Swinub used Icy Wind!

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I find solace in that piece of shit beltigre will likely be NU for the rest of it's days.

Fuck you for ruining litten.

>>27844064

>high speed
>Sniper as hidden ability
>access to Focus Energy and Leaf Storm
>ideally access to Focus Blast so that he doesn't get BTFO by Heatran and Ferrothorn

Here you go.

>>27844306
Isn't that what Farfetch'd does?

>>27844328
None of these things will save it when it dies from Ice Shard.

>>27844312
>Numel used ember
>Scizor fainted
>Gible used mud slap
>heatran fainted
>Machop used force palm
>tyranitar fainted
Just stop

>>27844336
nah farfetch'd doesnt have super luck or a signature crit move

he has a fucking stick tho

>>27844382
Farfetch'd does have access to three kinds of Slash and Leaf Blade, though.

>>27844366
>comparing pseudo/mythic Pokemon to starters
...

Will we be able to ride him, /vp/?

>>27844350
>literally only Weavile and Mamoswine run Ice Shard

Just run some fucking bulky water and stop acting like a cuck.

>>27844407
>Scizor
>Mythical
>pseudo

Wew

>>27844186
Give it Gale Wings and good speed.

>>27844350
Why would you stay against an Ice Shard in the first place ?

blaze torrent and overgrow are cancer and they should just give them decent abilities that fit the theme of the mon from the get go

>>27844064
Give it Gale Wings. I can see a moveset like this:
-Seed Bomb
-Brave Bird
-High Jump Kick
-Synthesis/Roost.

>>27844186
You could make it an even braver bird than Talonflame, he resists stealth rock better too.

>>27844327
both mermaid and tiger3 have a lot of potential to be really good actually

just based on the typing at least

>>27844512
I was thinking of maybe some new abilities like for the starters like:
-Flash Fire for Fire types
-Chloro Shield for Grass types (boost the power of Grass moves if hit by one)
-Hydro Skin for Water types (boost the power of Water moves if hit by one).

>>27844407
>...
wew

>>27844552
Or you could just give water types water absorb/dry skin and grass types Sap Sipper

I've enjoyed pokemon games a lot more since I stopped caring about this shit so I'm cool with it

>>27844336
Absol does it better.

Can smogoncucks please not bring up their meme tiers for fucking everything? Your little simulator isn't relevant to the real games

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>>27844064
Typing is the last thing thats the Problem
Tropius has a great move pool only lacking strong flying stabs
just has poor stats and Ability

>>27844760

(You) (You) (You)

That enough for one day, mate?

>>27844064
Good thing I don't care about competitive battle

>>27844911
Thanks for letting everyone know what you do and don't care about. Really improved the thread.

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>Gets new ability: Marksman. Gives it 100% accuracy.
>Mixed attacking stats, good speed

Special moveset:
>Hurricane
>Focus Blast
>Quiver Dance (because archery)

Physical moveset:
>Brave Bird
>High Jump Kick (because official site description)
>Gunk Shot because new Greninja

I was thinking of giving it a sleep inducing move (Grass Whistle?) but I don't want this being uber.

>>27845034
i dont think itll get quiver dance
its called butterfly dance in japan
i think

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>>27845034
quiver dance is called butterfly dance or some shit in nipland so its never getting it

cool idea though

>>27845034
Even with grass whistle it's never goingbto leave the PU stop dreaming friend

>>27845034
This guy gets it. Most starter pokemonlive or die on the merit of its hidden ability. Greninja would've just been a shittier starmie if it didnt have Protean. Now the fucker is in Ubers. If Serperiror didn't have contrary, it would drop at least a tier or two.

>>27845219
You really don't know how tiers work, don't you ? And that the only things that carry Ice Shard in competitive are Mamoswine and Waevile and those get bodied by a lot of different things ? And you can switch out ? And pokemon that have horrible weaknesses like T-tar still come out top tier ?

>>27844512
>blaze torrent and overgrow are cancer
They definitely need a buff.
Double the damage at 50% HP.

>>27844064
>this thing that is real will be shit if it's real because I said so

You're fucking retarded, OP.

>>27844737
When something is so bad that it's not even viable against the frontier AI etc I can't enjoy using cool pokemon

>>27845219
Grasswhistle + 100% accuracy ability would probably be one of the ways it might get into OU/ubers though, if it has high speed. Sleep is very powerful, especially if it also has a setup move.

>>27844936
Thanks for telling me I improved the thread, really improved the thread.

>>27844064
>Roothoot

>>27846619
What would you call it then?
Considering that's the general name people have been using on /vp/ lately.

>>27846702
no retard, Robinhoot is the name /vp/ has been using, Roothoot was the autism owl before the starters reveal

>>27846726
Forgive me anon, you're totally right.

>>27844064
>even if talonflame is real it's going to be nu at best!

>>27846821
>comparing grass/flying to fire/flying
Come on now

>>27844088
>Implying that there is even a miniscule chance that its hidden ability isn't Sniper

>>27846931
people thought fire/flying was shit before talonflame and the mega charizards. and said talonflame was going to be shit before xy released. but way to miss the point completely.

>>27844760
>successfully triggering a smogonfag >>27844787
That was pretty good.