ITT: D I S T R I B U T I O N

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>>27813567
>Rock-Type special attacker
>Doesnt get power gem
It even has gems all over its body

>>27813722
Don't forget Diancie not getting it when it's literally a gem

Being pure Grass is suffering.

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>>27813743
this is on the official pokemon website >:C

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>>27813722
>One of my favorite mons design wise
>so garbage with not only its ability, but also because being even part ice is pure suffering
kill me

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>>27813567
Every goddamn water pokemon gets Ice Beam I swear to god

>>27813567
They've been making more Special Oriented Normal types without giving them special attacks to work with

>>27813567
stealth rock and scald
that is all

>>27813567
Ice beam
Scald

>>27813839
Weaker version of Hyper Beam without recharge turn when?

>>27813567
Shadow Ball

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>signature move
>gets arbitrarily thrown onto other mons next gen

Skuntank doesn't get Gunk Shot

Pachirisu does

>>27813722
>implying ice is a gem

>>27813567
The distribution of weather ball makes no god damn motherfucking sense.

Cinccino only usable moves are rock blast, bullet seed, tail slap, wake up slap, and knock off

Wish it could learn icicle spear and extremespeed atleast...

>>27813898
>normal beam

i'll take it

>>27814340
>rock blast, bullet seed, tail slap, wake up slap, and knock off

LITERALLY fuck off do you know how much coverage that is

Why the fuck is diamond storm physical

We can't have a good special rock attack that isn't ancient power

>>27813807
>>27813722

Doesn't need it when it already does Boltbeam

But it is stupid

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shock_Wave_(move)#By_TM
I still don't get it.

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>Krookodile doesn't get Sucker Punch

>>27813898
Sounds like Hyper Voice

>>27813898

Boomburst

Except it's only like 3 Pokemon

>>27815327
>Tangela is capable of learning shockwave
What the fug

>>27813763
Sweet scent is GOAT

>Luxray is literally the strongest physical Electric Type with Guts

>Strongest STAB move is Wild Charge, a recoil move for 90 BP

Just give him volt tackle for fucks sake, it doesn't HAVE to be Pikachu exclusive

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>>27815093
>all that hype on pokemon forums for cinccino
>rock blast
>tail slap
>bullet seed
>people thought it would be OU with TECHNICHAN
>RU
>possible to use in Volt-turn

>no play rough tm

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>Poliwrath doesn't get Drain Punch
>gets Psychic though
Would just be nice for it to have some more staying power

There's this one Pokémon that can learn a really odd TM move because GF originally had the TM as another move and forgot to change it but I can't fucking remember what Pokémon it is. I'm fairly certain it's either gen 4 or 5.

>>27815327
>http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shock_Wave_(move)#By_TM
There has to be a formula that they use to create all these normal/rock types with similar stat spreads that get the elemental coverage

>>27813963
>>27813963
when has this happened when it was actually arbitrary?

I'll give you the gen 6 starts but if you try to tell me Hitmonless shouldn't get blaze kick then you're a drooling retard

>>27814340
Those are all it needs man, Skill Link is fucking great.

>>27815498
Thats vague as fuck anon, we need a bit more info. You thinking of Quash or something?

>>27815475

The worst part is that Facade is a stronger move to use than Wild Charge, even with STAB

>>27815528
weather ball, twinneedle, ice ball, rock wrecker, gen 6 starter moves. Steel wing kind of counts, it was always breedable/tm, but only skarmory learned it through level up until talonfag got it out of nowhere

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>>27813567
>Rock type physical attacker
>Gets ROCK HEAD as an ability
>Doesn't fucking get HEAD SMASH
WHY.

Egg Bomb

100BP physical move. Exclusive to Chansey and Exeggutor lines. Hopefully Alola Egg saves it.

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>>27815498
>>27815622
It's Beheeyem. In gen 5, TM51 is Ally Switch, which Beheeyem can obviously learn. In Gen 6, TM51 became Steel Wing, which Beheeyem can also learn because Gamefreak a shit.

>>27815498
Elgyem and Beehyem can learn TM51 (Steel Wing). Popular theory is that GF just forgot to take it out of their movesets since they could learn back in Gen V when it was Ally Switch
But then there's the whole thing with Area 51 and them being ayy lmaos. They could hit you with their space saucer's wings or some shit

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>>27813567
>Gets Roost
IT CAN'T EVEN FUCKING FLY.

>>27815622
he's probably talking about beheeyem and steel wing and area 51 and whatever the fuck else

>>27815741
>Accelgor gets Water Shuriken
Like, why?

>>27815498
Elgyem and Beheeyem can learn Steel Wing

>>27815823
Why are you mad about that? No shit they aren't going to straight up remove moves from a pokemon's movepool when it evolves. It has wings, it can roost. It's not like anyone gives a shit that togekiss can lean the elemental punches

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>>27815622
>>27815818
YES THAT'S IT THANK YOU!

>>27815834
ninja, I guess, like they gave mystic fire to a PURE FUCKING GHOST because it's a witch

Aerial Ace always seems to wind up on weird mons until you understand it was a botched translation

Toxic is learnable by like, EVERYTHING, which is just retarded. Seriously, what the fuck point do Poison types have when the single most useful poison-type move has almost complete distribution and doesn't benefit from STAB?

Obligatory Flareon joke

>>27815766
Give it Brave Bird too.
>Head Smash Brave Bird Rock Head Aerodactyl @ Life Orb/Choice Band
FUND IT.

>>27815276
>using ice beam
>not ice boosted hyper voice/hyper beam

>>27816028
BoltBeam is just a generic term for Ice/Electric coverage. Pretty sure he meant that.

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>>27815910
>Obligatory Flareon joke

Reminder that there was once a point in time (and still not too long ago) where Flareon did not even have Flare Blitz and most sets recommended you run Bite or Iron Tail on it.

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I despise how stingy GF is with this move

there are a multitude of grass and fire types that would greatly benefit from it

Corsola can learn it but Typhlosion can't for fuck's sake

>>27816095
In Gen 3 your best bet was something like Overheat/Shadow Ball/Iron Tail and the last slot would be for something like Dig or Return

it was the same for arcanine and arcanine didn't even get shadow ball. Being an arcanine fan before Gen 5 was suffering

>>27816163
>sunflora gets earth power

ahahahahahahah

>>27815528
Sacred Sword

>>27816436
>a sword Pokemon learns a sword move
>arbitrary

>>27816187
most flower-inspired grass types should get it

Vileplume, Bellossom, Cherrim, Roserade, Maractus, Lilligant, etc

It's just annoying as fuck because most things that learn it aren't special attackers

>>27816436
>>27816478
Gallade is the only sword-based mon that arbitrarily doesn't get it

>>27815475

I had to double check

Zekrom only has 150

Goddamn

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>>27815834
>>27815894

Yeah, it gets it because it's a ninja.

These two. I don't care. I don't care if it's a physical move. I don't care if it wouldn't actually be any use to them. They are LIVING WATER SHURIKENS.

>>27813567
take earthquake and ice beam off any mon that doesn't share those types. Only let legendaries who have a reason to have them get them (and no stupid shit like Mewtwo). I'd say do the same for thunderbolt and flamethrower but even those don't quite have as much retarded distribution.

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>>27816595
>Gallade is the only sword-based mon that arbitrarily doesn't get it
Excuse me?
>>27815823
>Scizor gets Roost but Emploeon doesn't despite being a bird
>GF will never get their shit together
It hurts to support these incompetent fucks

>>27817989
but then anyone with a previous game instantly gets such a massive advantage from just importing mons than someone who just started with the game, unless you literally remove the move from it slot that is

>>27818164
That's the problem with any rebalancing. Once you create the problem, there isn't many ways to fix it. This is probably one of the few ways to actually make ground and ice types viable since their moves are staples to teams who either run them on non-STAB mons or on mons that can compensate for their weaker typing (like Garchomp). I wouldn't mind them deleting moves off of Pokemon to make them come in line with newer allowed movesets, but I doubt they'd want to do something that drastic and piss off people.

I'm just tired of seeing those moves pop up all the time to flesh out a fucking moveset.

>>27817903
Jessie literally used a full sized Starmie as a shuriken in an early anime episode about ninja school.

>>27815154
>Ancient Power
>good
There's Power Gem, which would be decent if something stronger than Probopass had it.

>>27818701
It only has 10 more BP, so it's not that much better anyway

>>27815154
If Diamond Storm was special Diancie would probably be Uber. Goodbye defense lowering natures, hello Modest and Timid.

>>27818974
Thinking along these lines, what if GF made abilities/moves that punished certain usage of natures? Like detecting a speed boosting nature and lowering the opponent's speed 2 stages, or doing more damage for a lowered defense/special defense/non-used attack stat?

It would be interesting to see if that would affect the meta besides being used as a gimmick or to give whatever shitmons get it a chance to fuck up shit when everything lines up right.

>>27818863
20 more BP. Power Gem got buffed. Not that anyone would know, since fucking nothing learns it.

>Aeroblast is locked as "Lugia's signature move" despite just being the reverse of Stone Edge and Sacred Fire being on Entei too now

>>27818974
>Mega of a Mythical Pokemon
>700 BST
>Fairy-type
The fact that Mega Diancie isn't Uber already is a disappointment in and of itself.

>>27819126
Lugia is the Lucario before Lucario. Not quite as pushed, but getting special treatment while not being that notable a Pokemon in its own right.

>>27818701
Power gem is also only learnable by twenty pokemon. Out of those two are legendary, a different six are actually rock type, and out of those four are fully evolved. Four rock types get the only good rock special attack.

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>>27819153
Its close to perfection, but like Kyurem-B, being forced to run mixed to run both STABs hinders its viability. 50 base speed on the mega evolution turn sucks too. As your defenses would be lower and would be outsped by opponents that your expected to outspeed like Charizard Y and Tankchomp. Still one of the best megas in OU though.

>>27819472
>Clefable
>Top of OU

LITERALLY
ITERALLYL
TERALLYLI
ERALLYLIT
RALLYLITE
ALLYLITER
LLYLITERA
LYLITERAL
YLITERALL

WHAT?
HATW?
ATWH?
TWHA?

I understand how broken it would be, but I still want Blastoise to get Shell Smash.

>>27819670
GOAT abilities type and movepool. Stats don't even matter, but its stats aren't that bad either.

Sucker Punch/Taunt always surprise me with how many things get them.

>>27815823
People would complain more if Scyther didn't get Roost.

>>27816595
Not true at all! The only exclusively non-special attackers that get it are Dugtrio and Excadrill. Maybe Torterra.

>>27819729
I don't think regular Blastoise with Shell Smash would be too bad but Mega-Blastoise definitely is.

>>27819757
So a pokemon goes from the bowels of RU to the top of OU just because of fairy typing? Seems like a perfectly balanced type :^)

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>>27819729
Mega Toise is no different from regular Toise outside of the massive offensive buff which still isn't enough. Blastoise needs this to be on pair with the other Kanto megas.

Also give Samurott Shell Smash as well so I can use a non mega alternative of Blastoise.

>inb4 Cloyster
Cloyster is more physically based.

>>27818014

Penguins don't have feathers and real wings

>>27820332

Omastar is a good shell smasher

And defense of 125 is neat too

>>27820855
I agree with Omastar, although it's Rock typing seems like a hindrance as Ancientpower sucks and brings unnecessary EQ and Fighting weakness. Samurott would be a better option if it does get SS after Blastoise does.

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>>27813722
>tfw playing the Wilting Y romhack and it DOES get power gem

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>>27813833
>GRASS IS STRONG VS WATER!
>Lol no literally every water type learns a bunch of strong ice moves

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>>27820992
>Since 90% of Water types can deal with their Grass weakness, lets try to make an exception for once!
>Gives it lots of Poison moves to touch Grass
They just don't know when to stop.

>>27821240
I'll never understand why grass is weak to flying.

Just remove that weakness and make it neutral instead, and it'd already be a MASSIVE boost to the grass type, which it desperately needs.

>>27816436
Yeah but Sacred Sword is justified because Aegislash is literally a sword.

>>27821290
Grass is weak to flying for the same reason Bug is weak to fire. They are green.

>>27821300
It's a cursed sword though.

>>27820992
Keldeo's most powerful ice move is icy wind :^)

>>27820008
Yep! Go cry about it :^)

>>27820960

There's no point in even having it just because of rock

Hydro Pump, Ice Beam and Hidden Power Electric does the job great

>>27813567


LITERALLY every grass type should learn Earth Power, EVERY SINGLE ONE, I DONT GIVE A FUCK IF SAID GRASS TYPE HAS 15 SP. ATTACK! And also Typlosion and every other Magma/Volcano based pokemon that can't already learn it.

Drill Run also needs a larger distribution. If Zapdos can learn Drill Peck (hell if every pokemon that can learn Drill Peck), then it should also be able to learn Drill Run

>>27821240
>>27820992

I like that Ice Types managed to get Freezedry to fuck over Water types

>>27820992
>every water type is slow as shit
>a STAB grass move will outdamage ice beam in almost any given situation
fuck off
t. waterfag

>>27814340
It gets Aqua Tail, too.

>>27821561
Too bad most grass types are defensive/support and water types tend to be bulky as fuck.

Wood Hammer also needs a bigger distribution as well.

All it states is that a pokemon uses its rugged body to attack, it doesn't even need to be made out of wood.

So basically most rock types should be able to learn Wood Hammer and give it to some dragon types and oddballs as well such as Garchomp, Salamence and Avalugg. Also give it to Sharpedo as well.

All I fucking want is Lovely Kiss and Play Rough to get better distribution. One is stuck on a Pokemon literally no one uses and the other has such a tiny number of Pokemon that can learn it, let alone use it right.

>>27819801
>Not true at all! The only exclusively non-special attackers that get it are Dugtrio and Excadrill. Maybe Torterra.

try looking at Eath Powers tutor list adn say that again

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>>27818014
Samurott with Sacred Sword will still be shit.

>>27820008

Clefable had everything to make it OU except for a good STAB in gen's 4 and 5.

If Fairy was so """balanced""" then every Pokemon that gained fairy typing would be OU instead of Azumarril and Clefable, who literally got buffed with every gen after their introductions. It was bound to happen Fairy typing or otherwise seeing as someone at Gamefreak just adores Azumarril and Clefable.

>>27819126
Well Entei is Ho-oh's bitch so I don't really mind.

>>27821542
>Look up Freeze-Dry wondering why the only time I've seen it was in a romhack
>That distribution
I know it was introduced this gen, but fingers crossed that Gen 7 gives this to more Pokemon.

You now remember Pledge moves exist.

>>27821744
They could give it to every single ice type and it would STILL see no usage. Why? Because there exists not a single ice type with over 100 speed and special attack at the same time. And if they're fast, they get no setup. If they're stronk, they get no coverage.

>>27821797

Weavile exists

But Freezedry is a special attack so that's down the drain

I often think about how different pokemon would be if move diversity was a lot shallower.

If the only pokemon that could learn earthquake were ground types with a few exceptions, or if the only pokemon that could learn body slam were thought out logically (no jigglypuff, poliwag, etc. only stuff like snorlax or miltank). I think it would be cool if a lot more moves were niche, like swords dance, Ice beam, Thunderbolt, u-turn, etc. So movesets were more diverse (less boltbeam or edgequake thrown on everything for example).

One of the big examples is if only pokemon that had a blade or something similar (farfetch'd leek, marowak bone, etc.) could use swords dance. It would make them more useful as well as making more diverse setup sweepers.

I guess I'd like to see more diversity in viable pokemon & movesets is one possible way to do it. (of course, there's still the huge stat disparity and stuff like stupid abilities)

>>27821797

Alola Ninetails will save the day

Fucking Serebii and their constant "Not a Delphox" Joke that plagued the entirety of 2013 and 14

>Articuno and Moltres get Hurricane
>Zapdos doesn't

Why is this allowed?

>>27813722
It has no gems.

>>27813807
Use soak in doubles.
>>27815332
Crocodiles can't

>>27813763
since water types always have access to ice moves, i reckon grass should be the same, perhaps bug since bugs and grass/trees always go together

>>27815818
>Area 51
>In next gen it will be able to learn another random TM that will land on this number

A lot more pokemon (aspecialky normal) should learn Extreeme speed - aspecialy Linoone

>>27815327
>http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shock_Wave_(move)#By_TM
I remember I was amazed at how much random mons in RSE (shock wave peliper is the shit), where it was a TM but I didn't know it was THAT weird.

Tangela?
Muk?
Qwilfish?

>>27822363
...I kind of hope they do this, actually

>>27819670
Where have you been for the last couple years?
>fairy/fire is only resisted by fire
>Tbolt is commonly run so things like Zard and bravest bird aren't safe without scouting
>It can beat and set up on M-sableye, Zard X, breloom, Landorus, the Latis, the other pink blob, Rotom-W, every single varriant of Slowbro and many other things.
>it learns Sboil/wish/aromatherapy/SR/T-wave/CM/knock off/encore/toxic/stored power
>It has the difficult choice of either becoming imune to burn/toxic/weather damages/entry hazards or becoming immune to pretty much every setup sweeper in the tier, other calm minders included.
>Fairy as a deffensive type type is "as good as genIV steel" tier

The fact that most psychic types learn focus blast sends me up the fucking wall.
Rip slow dark types.

>>27822550
>sucker punch
Also
>"The user heightens its mental focus and unleashes its power."
Looks good to me, I can see why most psychic types can do this

>>27819670
>hey guys! Fairy will fix everything!
And then it was even more broken than what was there before.

>>27822300
>gets heat wave since lol
because fuck zapdos
when they finally nerf roost then zapdos can have a flying stab, until then no fuck you when are the other not-rotom electric types getting coverage

>>27813807

What's bad about refrigerate/snow warning?

>>27821832
>special attack

>>27821840
I fucking hope so, ninetails as it is doesn't have good speed or special though, nasty plot is great but we'll see.

>>27822376
>aspecialky
>Extreeme
>aspecialy
Wanna try that again?

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Sky Drop.

please remove the wide distribution of knock off, earthquake and toxic
please remove every water pokemon learning every ice move
please allow grass types to learn more coverage moves

>>27822620
Fairy should just resist dragon and not resist fucking bug at all

Scald, just fucking scald.
First it's a water move that has more chance to burn than most fire move. It could have been ok if it was like Will-O-Wisp or Sunny day, a move of one type that can be learn by an other type because it make sense thematically. Like it could be learn by a bunch of water type but also by some fire type like Torkoal, Heatmor or Magmortar.
But no they just decided to make him a TM that nearly every water type can learn because one of the best defensive type in the game who could already shit on one of its 2 weakness because they all learn ice move, and their second weakness being composed of mostly shitmon need a way to deal with physical pokemon.

>>27821316
Green is not a creative color

>>27823904
It GMT that the dual type Ghost/dark lost its defence neutrality just because fairy got implemented

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>>27823904
>Fairy should just resist dragon
Explain. The type would be a even worser check for Outrage spam compared to Steel types. Keep in mind that a weakened Steel type would be KO'ed by a boosted Outrage and Fairies resisting Dragon would be no different. Dragon immunity is what distinguishes the utility of the type from others.

>>27824985
The outrage spam came from pseudos and legendaries, shit like Altaria, Flygon, Druddigon and Kingdra has never been over powered. So my idea is that dragon should be resisted by ice/fairy/steel this way it Would be resisted by three types two of which hit it for super effettive damage

>>27825178
>The outrage spam came from pseudos and legendaries, shit like Altaria, Flygon, Druddigon and Kingdra has never been over powered.
That really doesn't mean shit. Its like complaining that the Dark type wasn't necessary as inferior Psychic types like Mr. Mime and Hypno existed. The majority of the type is what matters and most Dragons had high BSTs to take full advantage of their nearly unwallable STABs. Only one type, I repeat, ONE type out of the 17 types pre Gen 6 could stomach the nuclear onslaughts of the best STAB in the game. How people would argue about Dragon immunity being necessary is beyond me.

>be gen 4
>hey what if we gave everything stealth rocks lmao
>yeah good idea
>lets give it to a heap of unnecessary shit in gen 5 and 6 too hahahahah

Gamefreaks one chance to give rock types a good niche and they fucked it.

>>27823904
I agree about bug but so few things resist dragon that an immunity seems pretty fair

>>27815823
>>27819801
Scyther actually doesn't get Roost.
That's the funny thing. The flying one doesn't while Scizor does.

>>27825889
Nearly every single immunity in this game was badly done.
Dark type immunity was overkill. Simply the 2 new types added in gen 2 resisting psychic would have been enough.
No reason steel should be immune to a shitty type like Poison.
Fairy immunity makes very little thematic sense when dragon type moves are simply just big physical wallops except for 3 moves. Having 3 types resist dragon would be far better than "lol just add immunities" which is terrible design.
And now we have to deal with fairy typing which is far more retarded than dragon ever was.