>High attack >Bad defenses >Slow as shit

>>27589662
Fuck off Rampardos fags

>>27589662
Trick room anon. Hopefully we get an auto trick room ability.

>>27589707
>Pokemon requires setup and support to not be useless
Why even try?

>le slow, frail mixed attacker

STAB Sucker Punch maybe?

>>27589850
There's nothing wrong with a trick room team or using Pokémon that greatly benefit from it.

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>>27589662

>Low BST
>Mixed Attacker stats.

>it's a feminine Pokemon with paper thin defense and shit speed but monstrous special defense episode

>it's a psychic type with shit everything but special attack and defense

>>27589662
rampardos.png
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>it's a grass type with no move pool episode

>defensive Pokemon
>doesn't learn any recovery move so the defenses don't matter

>defensive ghost type
>gets pain split instead of recover

>it's a special attacker with its attack stat equivalent to its special attack stat episode

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>>27589965
3 of my favourite Pokemon

>>27589975
thats every episode sadly

>>27589662
emboar

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>Pokemon has an expansive movepool with a wide array of coverage options.
>Not a single stat above 85.

>>27590033
Mega Slowbro with trick room.

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>>27589876

Fuck.

>>27589662
>Honchkrow.jpg

>it's a single stage gimmickmon that gamefreak has forgotten and abandoned episode

Why did Shedinja need bloat in his BST? Sp.Atk, Defense, and Sp.Def are fucking pointless.

>it's a single stage gen 2 Pokemon that's irredeemably shit and forgotten episode

>>27590041
>>27589975
>not using sweet scent in any gen

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>it's a Pokemon that got nerfed so badly after Gen 1 we need to give it a new form or evolution episode

>>27590166
guard swap and stuff.

>>27589965
Kingler has good defense desu

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>>27589912
>slow as shit

>super effective!
>stall for time

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>>27589662
>great defenses
>Ice-type

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>High HP
>low defenses

>Low HP
>high defenses

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>>27589707
>priority moves still fuck you up

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>>27589850
>>27589912
>>27590503
>play strategy game
>have to come up with a strategy to win

>>27589850
>why even try to put any effort into pokemon battles

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>What do you mean X sucks? X is a fantastic sweeper!
>You jut need Sticky Web, Spikes, and Stealth Rock support, most of the enemy team to be KO'd, paralyzed, or asleep, 3 Speed Boosts, 2 Swords Dances, and a 101 HP Sub to be passed to them!

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>>27590594
>Low HP
>high defenses
>Pain Split

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>>27590191

>Tfw no Gen IV evolution.

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>>27590522

>Titanic defenses
>Good ability
>Perfect movepool
>But dat ice type....

Being avalugg is suffering

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>>27589876
It isn't completely frail, but.....
>Slow mixed attacker with heavy seashell emphasis
>Introduced in the same generation Shell Smash introduced
>Lets not give it this move and make it the most average, mediocre water starter in the franchise and make people feel immensely bad for liking it because reasons! Hohohoho!
It didn't deserve this. It could've been a formidable opponent on the battlefield.......

>pure water type
>good ability
>learns tailwind
>Irredeemably shit stats, utterly forgotten and pointless

>>27589850
seviper says hi

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>it's a "rock-type pokemon has sky high defense and average stats everywhere else" episode

>>27590925
>Ah yes this huge defense stat should prevent me from being getting destroyed by fighting and ground type attacks nevermind my piss poor special def and 4x weakness to water and grass
-Onix before his death to the attack "bubble"

>>27589662
And?

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>>27590868
>It could've been a formidable opponent on the battlefield
so could pretty much EVERY other attacker if they got shell smash.

>>27589662
Poor Rayquaza

>>27590868
because samurott doesn't live in a fucking shell you retard. How would breaking its weapon raise its attack?

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>>27593193
At least Samurott stated to be formidable in the dex. It has to make up for it's title.
>>27593312
>Cloyster can still use Razor Shell after breaking it's entire shell
>Gorabyss only wears shells like Samurott but can still break them
>Implying this hard

>>27590118
>tfw chatot will not be good

>>27594052
At least Chatter is a god-tier move now that they gave it 100% confuse chance. Between that and Boomburst it's not the worst bird out there.

>>27594072
Too bad about its abilities though
>tfw no ha scrappy chatot

>>27593193
Magcargo says hi

God I miss the early days of X/Y online battling.

>Open with Mawile/Dusclops and just use protect while dusclops sets up trick room
>90% of the time both attack the Mawile first turn
>Ram their shit in with Mawile and dusclops provides support with willowwisp and pain split

I haven't tried going on lately but the viable teams seem to be pretty set in stone now.

>High defense
>Terrible Sp Def
>Slow as shit
>Two 4x weaknesses

Every Rock/Ground ever

>>27590594
High HP low defenses can work

see alomomola.

>>27590834
>Titanic defenses
>46 sp.Def

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>so John Gamefreak...how could we design the most stupid pokemon possible?
I fucking love this guy, wish we got more stupid as fuck pokemon.

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>>27594470
>run shuckle with doubles
>use delphox lucky chant
>shell smash w/ contrary

It's like sex but with more defense.

>>27594413
184 defense

>>27589662
gen3statdesign.jpg

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>>27593211
>fug
>bad
>given its own tier in smogon because of how broken mega fug is
Kek

>Flying type
>Learns almost no flying moves, and even fewer for a competent STAB

genies, gyarados, dragonite, salamence, aerodactyl the list goes on and on...

>>27589662
So just rampardos?

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>>27594582
>haze

>>27589912
>spend 1 turn swapping trick room setter in
>spend 1 turn using trick room
>spend 1 turn swapping out

>spending 3 turns to set up trick room for a mon who will only get 2 turns of it
"nothing wrong"

>it's a rock type with high special attack but doesn't learn power gem episode

>>27596249
>what are doubles

>>27596306
>Doubles

Move over kid, the adults are talking.

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>>27596327
>he plays singles
>when the game is balanced around doubles
smogon babies everyone

>>27596396
>when the game is balanced around doubles

The game isn't balanced in any way, shape or form.
>smeargle, Xerneas, salamence, Groudon every team

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>>27589662
Who is Golurk

>>27596473
I didn't say that the game is balanced
I said that it's balanced around doubles
because a lot of moves and abilities only work in doubles

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>Upcoming pokemon you just know are going to suck ass
This nigga right here is doomed.

>>27596597
High SpA
Shit defence
Meh speed
no moves because grass type

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>>27589662
>>27589876
:(

>>27596628
Isn't it Bug/Fairy? We already have a Bug/Grass mantis.

>>27596670
mono grass

>>27589876
All of gen 3.

>>27596676
Bullshit. Imma calling bullshit.

>>27596755
http://www.pokemon-sunmoon.com/en-us/pokemon/lurantis/

>>27596755
Even worse, it's implied that its only saving gimmick its is physical Solar Beam move, which is pretty terrible combined with mono grass typing.

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>>27596792
Fuck. I was otherwise tempted to use Muh WhiteMantis.

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>high attack stats
>vulnerable to a bunch of common weaknesses
>no recovery
>so slow as shit that you can't even surprise sweep with agility or rock polish like rhyperior or mega ampharos

What's its name, /vp/?

>>27596063
>>27596063
>Salamence
>Mega
>Being so good you make normal moves flying type for you
>Double Edge flying boost stab

>>27596832
>>27589669

>>27596290
>Rock type
>High Special Attack

Gigalith shoulda been a high special attack rock type, possibly rock/psychic. Woulda been cool.

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Did somebody call?

>>27596849
Except Rampardos's speed is just barely good enough for the occasional Rock Polish set if you find something slower than it to scare away.

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>>27596857
You called?

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>>27590052
>literally almost every kanto mon

I mean I hate genwunners with a passion but damn some of them need a buff

>>27594269
And every Rock/Steel ever save Bastiodon. And Magcargo. Soon to be Aloan Sandslash.

>>27596290
Okay, this Who's that Pokemon stumped me. Which Rock types have good Sp.Atk again? Only ones that jump out at me are M-Diancie (Who's attack is just as high and gets Diamond Storm) and Archeops (Who's attack is so much higher its effectively a throwaway stat anyway.)

>>27597009
Omastar

>>27596932
And hung up right after

omastar is a rock type with high special attack and no reasonable rock moves

>>27596832
Not saying they aren't common, but aren't Water and Ground the only weaknesses it has? While having five resists and an Immunity?

>>27597009
Why does archeops get such a crippling ability? That atk/spa is awesome, with the speed. Kinda like a pseudo deoxys, almost as squishy too.

>>27597035
>What is ancient power

>>27597081
ancient power is bad, although I wish it wasn't

>>27597052
Sure, but if you lack good recovery and don't actually have extra fantastic defenses to begin with (you only get so far with 70/100/105), you find that cammy-hoo isn't exactly sturdy

>>27597081
A 60 BP move

>>27597130
60 isnt that bad right? stab + potential stat boost or shell smash

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>>27597161
You seem new or inexperienced at this.

>>27597052
>Weaknesses are two of the most common attacking types.

>>27597094
>>27597130
>What is a 10% percent chance of getting all stats increased by 1?

>>27597176
I dont care for competitive, but 60 always did fine depending on the move, besides, what does it have to do with fortress?

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>>27597228
>Ten
>Fucking
>Percent

>>27597021
>>27597035
Thanks. Forgot all about it, I guess this actually exhausts the list though. Six generations and three rock types with 100 SpA. Wow... it's like crystals haven't been associated with magic powers in fiction since the beginning of time and in this very series...
But hey, at least they're not Ground types. They got 4- two are legends, one the Mega form only of a pseudolegend, and among mainline mons its only Camerupt at 105.

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>>27597249
>I dont care for competitive
Much of the complaining in this thread is relevant to PvP
>but 60 always did fine depending on the move
Very rarely. And in the cases it does it's because of Technician or Hidden Power.
>what does it have to do with Forretress
Nothing, I like Forretress

>>27597347
>Bug
>Iron UFO With 4 cannons on it

Beautiful

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>>27597220
>Openly acknowledged in the post you're commenting on.
>two is 'a bunch' now days
Go look up this guy, then you will know the true meaning of pain.

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>>27597347
is storm throw any good? it always crits but the power of 60 vs super power or close combat for a pinsir seems not that good

>>27597663

It's basically a less accurate Sacred Sword. It's basically a 90 BP fighting move that ignores defenses because of the crit thing, but Superpower and Close Combat have better distribution and power. It'd be terrifying with Technician though.

>>27597563
Or, ya know, Paras.

Especially Gen 1 Paras.

>>27594413
>46 sp.Def
>not Titanic defenses
It did sink due to an ice type attack m8

>>27597695
could a pinsir get 2 egg moves at the same time? figured quick attack would be better than close combat considering he can get a few other fighting type moves like submission/superpower/storm throw, despite how bad they are in comparison

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>you love its design
>it has low overall BST because fuck you

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>>27597803
>submission

>>27597815
>dunsparce
>beedrill
>poliwrath
>swalot
>solrock

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>>27589662
DI MOLTO
DI MOLTO
MOLTO BENE

>>27597815
>Lunatone
>Fug
>Venamoth
>Quilfish
>Drifblim

I could go on.....

>>27596249
>swapping out
>not using memento on your trick roomer

>>27597228
not worth it

>pokemon has decent attack and speed bases
>and an ability that bolsters its damage further
>but it's a pure normal type
>everything but atk and spe are sub 80 base
>that same ability makes sure that it dies quicker than ever