Okay, other than level of fuckability, what makes this seal appealing?

>>27563671
absolutely nothing

>>27563671
The hair and that star on the head

You can fuck it.

>>27563671
It growing barbie hair as a seal all of a sudden for no fucking reason is a huge turn off, it looks fucking dumb.

Its pure waifubait.

>>27563671
The way it stands up and knows that it is the best starter. Just like Popplio.

It's first evo? it's an adorable water puppy
It's supposed final evo? One of the rare times a starter isn't "badass" "ugly" and looks....pretty I guess?

>>27563671
It has a sleek, elegant and magestic design similar to mienshao and milotic, and it uses a concept for its design that hasn't been touched since gen III.

It's a mermaid, I love mermaids. It has cute pearls and starfish "jewelry". I like the eyelashes and the overall shape.

The pink spikes are kind of pointless, unless they explain it somehow.

>>27563735
furbait was just used with braixen, baka

>>27563671
Neat color scheme. Fits the "starter" look.

Beautiful design, it's like an improved Milotic.

>>27563724
>all of a sudden

We haven't seen the middle form, retard.

>>27563770
I meant the "ulgy duckling to pretty swan" theme that milotic had.

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It's based on a mermaid.

It's unexpected (in a good way)

It actually looks good

The concept/desgin has some personality

It's majestic as fuck

Utilities the recent Fairy typing well into it's design.

It's different from the other water type starters we've had before.

It feel's more expressive than most designs

It actually looks like it could have decent stats.

>>27563671
It's the first actual Mermaid Pokemon if you don't count Milotic.

>>27563801
But Popplio is cute

this thing looks like shit

So it's a reverse ugly duckling?

>>27563724
>when pokemon evolves it changes
Wow, Electrode is such bullshit, it gets upside down for no reason.

>>27563822
I'd like to introduce you to the concept of subjectivity.

>>27563671
When is Game Freak going to ban furry porn at work because it's getting too much influence on the designs

>>27563671
It has an extremely aesthetic design. It has nothing to do with fuckability, it's about appreciation of beauty.

>>27563724
Middle forms do exist retard so stop playing the oh it comes out of nowhere bullshit

>>27563671
It isn't fuckable to people who aren't fucked up freaks.

>>27563822

You're not funny or clever.

>>27563814
Milotic is a sea serpent.
Mermaids are half fish-y and half humanoid.
Milotic has nothing humanoid.
On the other hand Popmaid has torso,head,hair,limbs (flippers instead of arms).

Still too feminine for me. I don't like this trend that started with Delphox (w/e it's called).

>>27564013
>delphox
>feminine

>>27563671
It simply is the best of the three starters.

>>27563671
It looks better than autismo owl and barabait tiger.

>>27564028
Dude it's a witch. Come on now...

>>27564013
>Pokémon should only cater to my tastes!

I would love if from now on we always got one feminine/cute starter. I never liked staters because, except for Meganium, they were always all "badass" or "cool" looking, which I have no interest in. Having a "cool" one, a "powerful" one and a "beautiful" one is balanced.

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>>27564064
He's a MAN

>>27563671

Design just screams majestic, I like it.

>>27564097
It screams furbait more than anything

>>27564102
Those are just your fetishes leaking out. Fuck off.

>>27564111
I dislike it though

Furbait isn't a good thing

>>27563671
I have a bias towards water starters. Plus, I'm hoping it's as good as the past water starters (aside from Oshawott).

>>27564120
Good thing it isn't furbait then.

>>27564111
Litten final evo screams barabait more than anything.
Rowlet final evo screams edgy more than anything.
Pikachu screams furbait more than anything.
Muk screams goosexbait more than anything.
Arceus screams pony more than anything.
Smashed Potato I ate yesterday screams sex lube more than anything.

>>27564145
And Braixen isn't either, right?

>>27564120

>If a group I hate likes something, then I hate said thing

You realize this is incredibly autistic, right?

>>27564149
wow massive furry butthurt

>>27564120
>sexualizes poppmaid
>i dislike it though

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>>27564182

>>27563671
Nothing.

It's literally Chesnaught 2.0 in terms of how fucking awful it is.

>>27564167
I also dislike its design in general

>>27564213
neck yourself

>>27564213
>It's literally Chesnaught 2.0
If it goes down that route then it'll likely be shat on for its looks but turn out to be an extremely underrated starter for being surprisingly viable.

>>27564238
You can dislike its design, but you're stupid and ignorant for thinking its furbait

Only the citizens of Contrarian Capital /vp/ dislike it, the rest of the web loves it and the leaked designs in general.

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Unrelated, but didn't wanna make my own thread, so quick question: Can someone explain to me why HGSS are consistently listed at $100+ fucking dollars, cartridge only? Its not like it's an obscure game or anything.

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>>27564208
Here, this is for your tumblr page

>>27564253
What should I call it, then?

>>27564246
What the fuck are you talking about, Chesnaught is not viable whatsoever. If it doesn't have a presence in VGC, it's trash.

>>27564213
Senpai no. I like chesnaught and even I know this is not true. This thing will easily be more popular with people

>>27564261

This.

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>>27564270

>I NEED to stereotype this

>>27564261
The rest of the internet has shit taste
and so does /vp/

Stop liking what I don't

>>27564270
a design

>>27564265
>still insulting rather than comming up with an actual argument

>>27564264
Limited production run + Pokewalker drove up the prices of the complete games, scalpers raised cart prices accordingly because jewish magick

>>27564282
>it doesn't work in VGC, so it sucks!
You're worse than smogonfags

>>27564264
I guess because of how old the game is and how most people had to buy the original copies with the pokewalker so the price was higher for them too.

>>27564322
A shitty design

>>27564341
Subjective.

Objectively speaking, the design is well done

>>27564341
How is it shitty?

>>27564330
Hmm, thanks. Glad I grabbed SS way back in 2010 but looks like I'll have to pass on ever purchasing HG.

>>27564349

Weren't you reading him? It's shit because it's furbait.

Just an fiy, literally every pokemon has porn of it, I guess you should just abandon the series then

There are actually people in this thread who think that Gamefreak is intentionally making these completely unsexualized designs for people to fap over them.

How disconnected from reality can you fucking degenerates be.

>>27564382
Its not furbait, your argument is invalid

>>27564382
I would be fine with the thing if it weren't supposed to be a starter, even

I just don't want to start my journey with a Popplio and have it evolve into something that looks like this

>>27564382
It's not furbait.

>>27563671
But anon, all pokemons are highly fuckable. This is what classifies it as pokemon. Pokemon literally means "fuckable furbait".

>>27564414
Can you explain to me how?
I'd love to know

>>27564282
>If it doesn't have a presence in VGC, it's trash
>VGC
>any indicator of how good a pokemon is
You can't be serious.

>>27564411
I don't get this at all. What the fucking matter with it turning into this? you just said you have no problem with the design.

>>27564427
not everything humanoid is furbait. Its meant to be a mermaid and to follow a "becoming pretty" motif on the line, they just made it seem like a pretty seal resembling mermaids.

>>27564322
Erm, I'm not going to put effort in a argument when there is nothing to argue against except shitposts.

Wow, you really thought you made a valid argument? That's sad.

>>27564427
explain how it's furbait

>>27563671
It's not that other abomination.

>>27564440

I wouldn't call Poppmaid humanoid. It doesn't even have legs.

>>27564427
How you see that thing and think "I wanna fuck it.." is so fucking impossibly beyond me.

Like fuck, its just "girly" looking, that's it. It's a fucking mermaid. In fact, it's even less sexualized than your typical mermaid, it doesn't have a human hourglass figure or tits.

You people make me sick. I hate you.

>>27564441
Because "wow, butthurt furry" is an amazing counter point to the argument that to /vp/ everything is furbait and general sexbait.

>>27564427
Why don't you explain what's wrong with the design without resorting to buzzwords?

>>27564449
Honestly it does seem to be inspired by generic fur porn

t. furfag

>>27564468
I don't want to fuck it

I see people saying they want to fuck it

>>27564480
I don't like it

Stop liking what I don't

>>27564408
>>27564414

I'm referring to >>27564120 ya dingus

>>27564486
>if I see people wanting to fuck it, it is furbait
Your logic is so retarded, I don't know where to start.

>>27564486
You'll see people say that about literally anything.

>>27564509
I noticed too late, sorry

>>27564485
You faggots turn any animal into porn. "Generic fur porn" is literally everything. That means nothing.

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Nothing

>>27564486
By that logic, ferrothorn is the only pokemon that isn't furbait

>>27564530
This. A fucking seal isn't furbait, a seal mermaid isn't furbait either you thirsty shits.

It's elegant.

that's it

You could argue about the possibility of a Water/Fairy but good luck getting something decent move pool wise.

>>27564485

So? The human mind always had the capability to sexualize anything and everything. I'm sure even you at least once looked at the sky and thought "how am I gonna fuck that"

Remember the age old saying, anything's a dildo if you're brave enough. Well, maybe anything's a fleshlight, idk

>>27563823
Because a weave is the only way it could changed, right? Don't be obtuse

>>27564558
>scald
>moonblast
>possible pixilate with hyper voice as a singer
>signature move
>surf
Are you high? the movepool will be the least of her problems

>>27563735
Those two aren't a clusterfuck of a design with knick knacks hot glued to their bodies, it's kinda an insult to be compared to this seal

>>27564600
>her

>>27564600
Ice Beam is a guarantee.

>>27564604
You're being idiotic if you consider everything in her design to be hot glued knick knacks. Its all meant to be mermaid-like whilist keeping the supposed acrobat theme you guys are so pissed of about.

>>27564584
Funny you respond to this post, not the other two correctly telling you why you're wrong, you obtuse mongoloid.

>>27564064
It's a wizard in a robe

>>27564600
Literally the Greninja of Gen7

Masuda needs to fuck off with his fish fuckery.

>>27564584
Tell me why it can't possibly grow hair.

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>>27564539

>>27564253
You are delusional if you don't see how this will attract all those weirdos

>>27564678
Of course it'll attract fucking degenerates, but that's their fault for being mega faggots, not Gamefreak's. Otherwise, they wouldn't ever be allowed to make any pokemon that was remotely feminine or had fur.

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>>27564604

The design isn't cluttered. It's okay if you prefer more minimalist designs, but some us prefer more than literally my mom's seal. I like that Poppmaid looks like a mermaid princess in addition to being a seal. And wearing a headdress isn't "hot glued".

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>>27564672
>there's people wanting to fuck things like this out there

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I've been really out of the loop lately, for the past month or so. Apparently this image popped up recently but it was deemed fake. Is it 100% confirmed fake though? Please tell me it's not.

Additionally, I've heard rumors that there will be branched evolution lines for the starters depending on which island you're on(like the dancing bird), so both pic related and OP's pic would be legit. Anyone know if this is total bullshit or not?

>>27564752

The creator of Ballio came forward. Sorry.

>>27564752
Everything in this fake (Ballio) or has yet to be confirmed (Split evo's)

>>27564752
>people actually like this shitty thing

>>27564752
>branching evo
It doesn't look to be real at all. The same source for it got a lot of shit wrong, and some lucky guesses.

>Ballio
Did you really think that was real? This is why leak season is so shitty.

>>27564634
I don't see any acrobat theme on it, also yes they're knick knacks when you have pearls, seashells and stars on top of a weave on top of those pink things on the lower part on top of the flowing crop top thing. A mess

>>27564791
>I don't see any acrobat theme on it
Let me guess, did you also think those leaks were fake because they weren't into the circus theme?

It is sleek, elegant and has a nice silhouette from a design standpoint. It's not really to my tastes and I personally adore Rowlet and his evolution, but I can see why people like it.

>>27564808
I don't see how that's relevant but you could try guessing again

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>>27564761
Fuck.
>>27564773
Oh well.
>>27564780
Better than the barbie mermaid.
>>27564789
I thought there was a chance. Remember this and the shitstorm it caused?

>>27564791

All you're doing here is pointing out aspects of the design, which isn't proving anything. Any Pokemon can be nitpicked like this.

>>27564752
This is the worst thing.

>>27564848
The difference between these and the mermaid is that I like Dewott and Samurott

>>27564866
Well, yeah. Those are the reasons I don't like the design, do you want a dissertation why for me is not good or something? What else can you use to appreciate or judge it as of now

>>27564848
The guy who did Ballio literally made it look like the "scary" popplio clown evos that were floating around to shit on poppliofags.

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>There are people that like Ballio
>There are people that like Poppmaid

>>27564920
By your logic, you hate all pokemons, because all of them can be described the way you did it. You literally described it as "stuff with stuff on it" and something as vague as "mess".

>>27564964
I have no problem with people liking Ballio, people can like virtually anything, I have problem with people that actually thought that Ballio was real.

>>27564964
Its something called "subjective taste", look it up.

>>27564932
You know, I find it amazing how the real deal is completely different from every single one of these Popplio evos. Which makes it unfortunate that GF can no longer surprise the entire playerbase with Poppmaid.

Or hell, maybe even the middle stage, which is likely girly given Poppmaid. Imagine if they were never leaked. Now imagine the community's reactions to Popplio's (likely girly) middle stage when it's revealed.

>>27564964
>there are people who like things i don't like

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>>27564964

And? What are you going to do about it?

>>27564971
do you want a dissertation why for me is not good or something? [2]
Those are the reasons why I think is an unappealing and bad design and I don't think you know what logic is if that's what you got from that comment

>>27564996
I'd imagine /vp/'s contrarians reacting just the same as they are now, just with the same shock we had back when these were leaked

>>27563671
nothing, it's like it was made to please furries

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>>27563671
Mermaids/Sirens are bretty cool

>>27565031
It might be unappealing to you, that's subjective, but the design itself is objectively well done

>>27565045
>le furfag meme
leave

>>27564996
>every single one of these Popplio evos
They were made to shit on poppliofags, no one thought any of those were acceptable, they literally made them unacceptably bad so that poppliofags would be mad if they were ever real.

>>27564920
>do you want a dissertation why for me is not good or something?

No, your opinion is not that important.

>>27563671
It has a good use of complementary colors (unlike ballio) the veiled segments break up the torso so it's not one awkward negative space, same with the pearls and the hair. they also create one continuous pattern down the body from head to shoulders to hips to "ankles"

The eyes are well proportioned to both the head and the hair while maintaining the basic seal head shape from popplio (consider what would happen if there were no hair, or if the eyes were closer to popplio's in proportion or shape as an alternative)

the seal flipper arms manage to walk the line between both humanoid at the shoulder but still seal-like at the "fingers"

Speaking of humanoid, it also totally dodges being overtly humanoid (unlike the litten evo by comp.) the chest is both concealed and without any indication of breasts, the face is more animal than human, the hands are again flippers, and the tail is just that.

The fins/spikes and starfish also balance out the nose from being a singularly out of place feature.

It's just a solid design all around

>>27565071
But anon, all of those were much better than what we got

I feel as though gamefreak shit on Poppliofags with this thing

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>>27565105
Thanks, everybody ITT needed this

>>27563671
I like it, fresh color scheme, nice details, nice typing, only thing i odn't like are those pink spikes on the tail, they seem unnecessary but other than that its one of my favorite pokemon of this generation

>>27565105
my nigga

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>>27563671
It's a magical girl mermaid seal, what's not to like?

>>27564013
Milotic is an oarfish you piece of shit

>>27565179
>girl

>>27565179
>girl

>>27564068
You're critiquing someone and then saying that you want exactly what you critiqued them about

>>27563678
Shut the fuck up

>>27565105

>dodges being overtly humanoid

The hair, eyelashes and hourglass shape still look too humanoid. It's blatant furbait.

>>27565244
>it has hair and eyelashes and a femenine figure even if its based on a mermaid, so its furbait
Why are so many people so ignorant and stupid?

>>27565244
>hourglass

Nigga u blind. That shit aint hourglass. It's got wider hips, and thats fucking it.

>>27565264
>It has all the features of furbait, why are people calling my waifu furbait

>>27565244
>hair and eyelashes are human traits
>pretending it has an hourglass figure
Just admit you're a dumb closet furfag.

>>27565287
>Design be damned, pokemon can't look like mermaids or anything human, its always furbait!

>>27565138

Speak for yourself, faggot.

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>>27563671
There, now it's accurate

>>27565138
Yeah, they sure showed me by giving him a great final evolution.

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>>27563671
It's the absolute worst starter I've ever seen, and I'll have to abandon popplio if these meme evolutions are real

>>27565348
What exactly about this is great?

>>27565138
As someone who hated Popplio to begin with, this actual final is the only of the 3 that looks even remotely not shit. If you want to talk about Gamefreak shitting on a design, look no further than Litten.

>tfw we shat on elegantfags because they were obnoxious

Knowing that these degenerates won in the end is fucking awful. It makes you lose even more faith in Gamefreak.

this has nothing to do with this thread but wasn't there supposed to be more info today? I remember there being mention about friday info.

>>27565365
>>27565105

The idea of the awkward seal pup growing up to be a beautiful mermaid princess is inspiring.

>>27565375
next friday

>>27565353
Drop popplio, its not like anybody will give a shit either way

>>27565389
It's a tranny?

So people who like this dislike Popplio and people who like Popplio dislike this?

>>27565423
I love Popplio and I'm happy with the design.

>>27565423
not necessairly. I like both for example, and my friend hates both

>>27565442
I love Popplio and I hate this thing

>>27565105

Saving for future reference.

>>27565369

Explain to me why a pokemon looking elegant is a bad thing

>>27565105
Yknow, I wasn't on board with Poppmaid before this, but I've come around as a result of this breakdown of its design. Thanks.

Starters aren't usually so overly feminine

But they're also not usually overly masculine either

Why start now?

>>27565507
Because it's a sea lion. Sea lions aren't elegant, they're big fatass bastards who will fuck shit up. Popplio should have become an elephant seal (as it should have) and not a mermaid.

>b-but selkie!
Not a real animal.

An elegant pokemon would have been fine if it was based on an actually elegant animal. Sea lion? Not cool.

>>27565105
blue's complement is orange

pink's/red's complement is green

>>27565578
How is something not been a real animal stop a completely not real thing getting based off it?

>>27565576

To pander to the gay audience?

It's working by the way, there's one artist out there that draws Poppmaid nonstop who just happens to be so. I assume you've seen the art by now.

>>27565576
>they also weren't overly masculine
>blaiken, sceptile, infernape, empoleon, emboar and chesnaught aren't overly masculine
They've been masketed always as manly and strong pokemon, their design is masculine, their inspirations are mostly masculine, come on.

>>27565578
>muh realism
Shut up. We don't need litteraly my mom's sea lion, something creative and original is great if done right, and this design is very good.

>>27565578

No one's fault but your that you couldn't keeo your expectations in check.

I want to fuck it

>>27565623
I'd rather have my mom's sea lion than my gay cousin's sea lion

>>27565576

The same reason why we got a new type after over 10 years. You need to expect curve balls from Game Freak from now on.

>>27565635
You're the minority on that regard then, sorry to tell you anon.

>>27565578
>Because it's a sea lion

It's a Pokemon, a Popplio to be specific.

>>27563786

Milotic is clean, streamlined and elegant, and evokes mermaids and beauty while still looking like an animal. This thing is a giant oblong condom covered in garbage.

>>27565672
Look up "subjective taste" in google after you're done reading this >>27565105

If you still think this and not just that you don't like the design you're retarded and shouldn't keep posting ITT anymore

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Is this how the mid evolution would look?

>>27563671
It has a genuinely good design and is based off a Siren which is a great inspiration.

>>27565698

Just because it has good proportions and color theory or whatever the fuck doesn't mean it's a good design. You could make a really well drawn turd but it would still be a turd.

>>27565578
>sea lions aren't elegant
This is the dumbest argument ever. Even worse than the "muh digimon" or "overdesigned" strawmans. Pokemon aren't real animals you dumb fuck. Call me when your dog becomes a wizard, or when your rubber chicken catches fire and starts flying around the earth

>>27565717
This. Just because it's a good design doesn't mean it's a good design.

>>27565717
Its a good design both in concept and execution. The fact you can't differentiate your likings from the objective qualities of the design worries me.

>>27565734

>if a design loosely follows a handful of principles it's automatically good

t. plebius maximus

>>27565707
I laughed way too hard at this.

>>27565717
Good thing this isn't a condom or trash and was designed as a mermaid/seal hybrid, right? Just because it isn't a well designed mermaid (subjective), doesn't mean it's not a mermaid. Glad we agree

>>27565754
...but it is you fucking idiot. If a design takes its concept and executes it in a way that its noticeable but not obvious, and without breaking those principles its at the very least good. Do you realize how retarded you're sounding?

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>>27565672
>Miloticfags threatened that they now have competition in the "beautiful undersea creature" department

>>27565784
Actually, it's automatically objectively bad because it discards the clown theme by your logic.

>>27565800
It was never a clown, it was a performing seal, the ones that do little tricks and such. Its your own fault you're too stupid to see that it does maintain that aspect, and that the line follows milotic's "ugly to pretty" theme.

>>27565822
Why the fuck are you guys calling the cute sea lion ugly

This thing is way uglier than the first form

>>27564558
>scald
>Moonblast
>surf
>ice beam
>maybe some psychic moves

>>27565843
You're idiotic by saying that the final form is in any way, other than subjectively, ugly. The base form is inherently cute, but it isn't meant to be pretty.

Also, good work avoiding the argument.

>>27565843

We've been through this earlier in the thread. Just shut up.

With the proper stat spread, movepool and ability, could Poppmaid wreck Mega Charizard X's shit?

>>27565623
The only masculine one you mentioned was emboar. The others are extremely androgynous, especially blaziken.

>>27565576
I'm committed to Poppmaid but I do think the split evo leak holds water. People have always had particularly strong opinions on starters since they feel obligated to stick with them. Why not give them some more options this time?

>>27565894
Popplio showed us a defensive and specially offensive stat spread, with noticeably low speed. A tanky sweeper would be sweet.

>>27565899
But blaziken and infernape's anatomy is distincitvely masculine. The others are marketed all the time as masculine

>>27565883
You're idiotic saying that your opinions are objective

>>27565774

I didn't say it's not a mermaid, I said it forces the mermaid theme by being too humanoid and too cluttered with ostentacious mermaid features like hair and jewelry. Milotic is much subtler, it places aesthetics over shoving a theme down your throat.

>>27565784

>not obvious

It's very obvious. If they spent less time tacking on mermaid features and more time on its basic shape and physique, it would look a lot better.

The basic teardrop head is ugly as fuck, same problem as Serperior. The eyelashes and hair are just creepy, and not in the "it's a monster trying to fake beauty" kind of way, just looks like it was tacked on rather than a natural extension of its body. The fins are oblong and even less detailed than Popplio's. And what the fuck are those spikes?

Again, it's just a mess of awkward shapes with some knicknacks tacked onto it, and a really unappealing shade of blue on its tail.

>>27565894
Sure. It's got decent potential. It'll likely be an okay check at best, though.

It's typing gives it a huge edge, but it'd need to be both very physically bulky and good special strength to avoid +1 Thunderpunch 2HKOs and attack it on it's weaker side. It'll likely be specially oriented, but I can't see it being crazy bulky.

Theoretically if it was significantly faster it could work as well, but I think it needs to be somewhere around the 130 range to outspeed a +1 MegaZard X, which is unlikely to hope for.

Chances are, it'll be better at warding it off due to ZardX's 4MSS making it not run Thunderpunch often, similar to Azumarill.

>>27565934
You're idiotic for proyecting the argument I've been accusing you up to this point with onto me, when I am looking at the design objectively. A mermaid seal with a sleek figure and the femenine characteristics it has is beautiful at least by the textbook definiton of it.

>>27565929
You're somehow confusing masculine with liking to fight or something. None of them have any masculine features and could easily pass for males orbfemales because of not having any masculine or feminine features like the stupid mermaids and the stupid wrestling cat.

>>27565980
Beautiful
"pleasing the senses or mind aesthetically."

This is neither of those things

>>27565948

>>27565948
>its a mess of knick knacks
We already had this discussion earlier, its subjective.

>>27565975

>it's not going to beat Zard X so it's shit

What are you even talking about

It'll be a slow as shit bulky fairy/water with possible recovery through moonlight, +scald, moonblast, perish song etc. It will likely be the best of the three barring unforeseen abilities.

>>27565995

It's not subjective that it's absolutely covered in shit. Whether you're okay with that is subjective, but there is no getting around the clutter.

>>27566011

>it's not going to beat Zard X so it's shit

????

Anon, take your pills. I didnt even say, or vaguely imply anything close to that.
An anon asked if it had a shot at fucking up Zard X, and I answered that it does indeed have a shot.

>>27565993
Not what I meant, I meant the anatomy as in the shoulder to waist ratio and musculature is definetely masculine.

>>27565994
You don't find it pleasing to your senses, for some odd grudge you have against it, but the design itself goes along those lines. Its meant to represent a femenine figure while keeping with the seal motif and be sleek, slender and magestic. It is beautiful, you don't find it so because of subjective taste, something I mentioned a while ago back in this chain.

>>27565980
Beauty can't be objective you shit. He hasn't been best at stating it, but technical proficiency and hitting all the marks has never been the key to good art. Is it a prerequisite? Yeah, but it doesn't hit the mark itself, because the mark is subjective and subject to time, culture, audience, and a thousand other factors. Acting as if this design is just objectively good is obtuse.

>>27566032

Oh, didn't see the quote.

>>27566021
Its not cluttered, because the line between simplistic, ok, and cluttered is subjective too.

So again, subjective.

>>27565948
I was just refering to your "oblong condom with trash" comment, when you know it's not based on that. You're entitled to your opinions. I find Militic slightly ugly, the eyebrow-twintails hybrid thing ruin the design for me.

>>27565578
>Sea lions aren't elegant, they're big fatass bastards who will fuck shit up.
Do you know the myth behind mermaids and sirens?

>>27566033
You're telling my sense of beauty is subjective

But yours is objective somehow

>>27564102
No one cares about your fucked up fetish.

>>27566083
I'm not saying mine is objective. I don't find the thing beautiful, its just a seal. But the way its made is designed to be beautiful, wether or not its received that way is entirely up to the person who sees the design itself.

>>27564120
It doesn't even have fur. Do you believe that if something is feminine then it us automatically meant to be fucked? That's what rapists thing dude.

>>27566119
do you know where you are

>>27564213
Chesnaught looks like Rosie Odonnels asshole; Popplio3 is actually well designed.

>>27566048
By the same logic the design can't be objectively bad, which is the main point of the discussion so far as I told him his opinion is subjective, the design hits the marks you speak off, so its at the very least a passable, mediocre design (even if I don't agree) objectively. Anything deviating from that, according to your logic, is subjective.

>>27566051

It's objectively much more cluttered than Milotic, since that's the baseline.

Are there more objects on it? Yes.
Are those objects all different shapes? Yes.
Are those objects several different colors? Yes.
Do those objects overlap? Yes.
Do those objects tend to extend naturally from the body, or are they just stapled on?

So it's a bunch of separate, completely different complex shapes and colors placed on top of each vying for attention. That's clutter.

On top of that, the design lends nothing to how it fights or functions. You can immediately tell that Litten3 is a brawler and Rowlet3 is a ranger, but what the fuck does this do except try to look fancy? Design says nothing.

>>27566166
I'm pretty sure all of our opinions on this thing are subjective

I don't like, some others do, some don't

I think we can at least agree that "click until they're all gone" captchas are objectively the worst, right?

>>27564261
This.
>>27564270
Popplio3. You realize that the only people who mention Bara and furry bait on this board are people trying to shit talk the starters? I haven't seen anyone wanting to fuck these starters.

>>27566198
I like poppmaid, but thats bullshit, the thread she has had tons of porn and people wanting to fuck it on it

>>27566198
I'm impressed that you haven't

>>27563724
I get ya buddy, it's just way too human and the hair puts it over the top. The only way I'll forgive it is if there's an entry in the pokedex about them using their human like appearance to lure sailors to their death.

So, basically it's unforgivable.
Well I guess I wouldn't mind if there was a male and female version, just not that clown thing.

>>27566033
As for infernape. It's modeled after a monkey, looks like a monkey, it a man. Monkeys have such little basic physical variation between gender that I'm throwing it out. Blazikens design is so full of intent that if you think that intent implies masculinity you're a fucking idiot.

>>27566176
Why are you comparing it to Milotic again? They're completely different species, with different inspirations.
Why not Giratina-O? You may as well compare it to Ditto.

>>27564399
They're too far gone. All the people hating on them because "muh furry" are probably fapping to them.

>>27566176
It's obviously made for sex.

>>27566224
It doesn't have a human like appearance.

>>27566176
I disagree from the "Do" point onwards, so we can make it subjective then, since they dont seem to clash, the colors fit for me at least.

>>27566197
I don't know, but I guess we could leave it at that.

Yes those captchas are a fucking pain.

>>27566166
My logic is sound as Fuck. Thanks for accepting as much.

>>27564427
You're literally fucking disgusting if you see this and think of it in a sexual way fag.

>>27566208
I'm not that anon, but every single pokemon has porn of it. Is Voltorb furry bait?
This is not an argument, people want to fuck everything

>>27566225
I get infernape, I don't know enough about primates for that so I'll believe you, but what intent with blaziken are you refering to?

And even then , you must agree all of those I mentioned have been marketed as masculine almost all the time

>>27563671
>seal
It's a siren for fuck's sake

>>27566261
I know, but saying that nobody in this board says poppmaid is "fuckable" unless they're shitting on it isn't right, that's what I'm refring to.

I still don't think its furbait, but we can't defend poppmaid with lies

>>27564013
Are we just going to pretend Nidoqueen and Jynx didn't happen? Waifumons have existed since Gen 1.

>>27566246
Glad we can agree then.

>>27566228

>comparing to a legendary

You're shooting yourself in the foot here. Legendaries are some of the most cluttered designs in the series, sort of getting away with it because they're special, but not a good benchmark for Pokemon design. Neither is Ditto, its simplicity is an outlier.

They're both aquatic creatures that evoke beauty and mermaids. It's no different from comparing Serperior to Arbok or Unfezant to Pidgeot.

Again, the point remains that it's absolutely covered in contrasting shapes and colors all separate from each other. That's visual clutter, and it's a mistake in design that anon's precious wall of text doesn't address.

>>27565353
Your loss is my gain, friend.
I was probably rolling Popplio anyway because literally everyone else was going Rowlet, but this evo confirmed Popplio for me.

>>27566176
Design says mermaid. Or opera singer.

>>27565948
>all this nitpicking and subjectivity over themes

>>27566335
whose wall of text? yours? I'm following the chain and all walls of text are those in your favor

>>27566367

Okay, its shape is overly simplistic and ugly and covered in garbage and unappealing colors. Happy now?

>>27565105
>it also totally dodges being overtly humanoid (unlike the litten evo by comp.) the chest is both concealed and without any indication of breasts, the face is more animal than human, the hands are again flippers, and the tail is just that.
I mean... the jab at the Litten evo doesn't make sense considering it nails everything you listed for this one that applies that make it not "overtly humanoid". It's hands are tiger's claws, it has a clearly tiger face... I'm not even sure you could make it more tiger like without it simply not bring a bipedal tiger which I know many people would want but that isn't the point. Maybe make the feet different but it's feet aren't exactly human either so it's not necessarily contributing to appearing humanoid.

I also don't appreciate the implication that there is a "too humanoid", like there is a hard line not to cross, but that's another issue entirely.

Post more Poopmaid art, pls.

>>27566374

I mean the one that you faggots desperately cling to as your argument for its "objective" quality. >>27565105

>>27565105
This is the best post in this thread. Well thought out. Anyone that tries to argue against this is retarded.

>>27566420

>this post mirrors my bias and has lots of words therefore it's bulletproof

>>27565244
Because only humans have hair.

>>27566417
But your argument is the shape is simplistic, which it isn't its a mermaid, its a scomplex as a mermaid can get, its colors clash, which they don't but hat might be subjective, and that it has lad of shit that doesn't fit, which again is most likely subjective because most dont see it like that

>>27566439

What other animal has hair like that? A horse? Are you saying it's part horse now too?

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>>27565353

>>27566456
Its a fucking mermaid, mermaids have hair you imbecil. Just because it is remotely humanoid doesn't make it furbait

>>27565423
I loved Popplio since it was announced and think this is the perfect evolution.

>>27566404
it's not a jab, i'm just using it as an example of where to draw the line between humanoid and not. And I don't mean "overt" as in "too much" i mean it as in "obvious" or "prominently so." Popplio's evo is still vaguely humanoid at a glance, as is the point of the mermaid design, but not so much that it defies the sense in it being a sealion, or unquestioningly sexualizes it, or otherwise warrants complaint as a copout or pandering.

>>27566241
>hips
>head of hair
Those right there are human features we share with almost no other creatures. Plus, look at it's form when it's standing on it's tail there. Those are human proportions.

>>27566483
>humanoid and not
overtly humanoid and not*

Threads like this are what reminds me how horrid /vp/ is during leak season. Everybody is spouting nonsense and insulting each other on both sides. There's about 2 actually well thought out posts getting overwhelmed with shitposters and retards. Stay shitty /vp/, see you in november when everybody has calmed down as they always do.

>>27566387

No. I don't agree with you at all.

>>27565578
>Wanting my moms seal over Sea Siren.
Confirmed fag.

>>27566473
>Its a fucking mermaid
Yeah, but it'll have male versions. Actually, the one you start with will more then likely be a dude. It's just fucking creepy on multiple levels.

If I use one I'll totally name is SeaTranny or something.

>>27566483
But the point was that it passed the criteria you outlined that applied to it. What is the line, eho decided it, why is there one at all for cartoon monster designs, and why does this not cross it, and how does Litten3 do so?

>>27566452
>It isn't simplistic

Basic teardrop head, body is one long shape with no definition, simplistic tail fin and arms with digits drawn on as lines instead of actually separate. It's simplistic.

>its as complex as a mermaid can get
That's not a good thing. It's more complex than it needs to be, or rather all the shit on it is, while its base body is too simple. It's like making a really shitty cake and drenching it in frosting and sprinkles to make up for it.

>>27566456
It's not an animal. It's a pocket monster

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>>27566501

>>27566524
>creepy
>not 'sexy'

>>27566532
>It's simplistic
>It's too complex

>>27563671
i want to be her friend

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>>27566266
Infernape evolves from Combusken, which has a design closer to feminine and then becomes taller with long hair, longer legs, and other changes, which is just to say, I genuinely don't believe they designed it at all to evoke anything near masculinity, just kicks, including at the combusken evo. It's all about the legs from a kicking standpoint.

As for the marketing of the other ones, I really can't say much. I haven't watched the anime in a long time.

Also, forgot about Chesnaught. It's pretty masculine as well because of the beard.

>>27566514

So when I'm being specific I'm "nitpicking," and when I'm being general you can just "disagree" without addressing specific points. Okay.

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>>27566610

That is literally the problem with new Pokemon design. The basic shape is too simple, while all the decals and decorations are too complex. Compare that to old Pokemon who had more complex anatomy and simple, cohesive detail.

>>27566679
That's just like, your opinion man.

>>27566679
Nigga Ponyta was a generic pony, shit us not complex

>>27566714

>I can't read

It's about anatomy and detail, not theme.

>>27563671
This just, isn't something that I'd ever want to use. It looks like it belongs in my little baby cousins toy chest with her barbies and ponies, not battling with me. It's aesthetic has no hint that it's useful for battle, which is something you can't say about any other starter.

>>27566728
It's still not complex

If water/fairy, it has a typing with good potential with only 3 weaknesses and 6 resistances and the typing also gives give a good potential to the possible movepool.
Also this thing was designed to appeal to little girls (not to people fuck in the head), just watch the 2015's Worlds to see how Gardevoir was popular in the team of many girls who played in the junior and senior category.

>>27566303

I don't think either of them were explicitly designed to be attractive to people. That shit started with Kirlia and continued with Pokemon like Lopunny and Braixen.

>>27566846

Its anatomy is much more complex than Keldeo, or the majority of new Pokemon, including Trapmaid. Actual musculature, features defined through shape instead of just color, rough detail that's not overly geometric. You don't seem to understand the argument you're trying to refute.

>>27566637

If it wasn't obvious, I didn't agree with you from the beginning. I don't think having a "simple" shape is bad and I don't think it's ugly either. And say what you want about the "clutter", but I like the things like the headdress and hair. It gives off the vibe of royalty, which I like. The colors are fine too.

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>>27566826
>It's aesthetic has no hint that it's useful for battle,

There's a lot of Pokemon that fall under this category. I don't see the issue.

>>27566968

They're still bad design precepts, since you've all been trying to argue objectivity since >>27565105

>>27566135
I've watched scrubs. Not everyone on 4Chan is a rapist though.

>>27567011
>They're still bad design precepts

To you. Stop trying to force yout opinion.

>>27567051

No, they are in general. Just because you're okay with them doesn't change that.

>>27567004
I don't use those fuckers, and there aren't many that don't even have a hint at battle utility.

>>27566261
This. Literally EVERY Pokémon has porn of it, even Stantler. Just because someone wants to fuck it doesn't mean it's furry bait.

>>27566344
Especially because Ice Beam is a definite move for Popplio3 so Rowlet3=dead.

>>27567118

It's furry bait because it lends itself to furry. This thing is not even out yet, already has far more art than the other leaks, and most of it is furry. That speaks volumes.

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>>27565179
>magical girl
We had one last gen, they're not going to repeat it so soon.

>>27567004
There are no other starter final evolutions that do. Not a single one.

>>27567082

Sorry, didn't know you spoke for everyone.

>>27567184

Like this guy? >>27565105
At least try to follow the thread.

>>27567082
How are they had in general? Saying it's bad doesn't make it bad. There is a reason things are bad beyond "it's x bad, it's Y is poor, it's z clashes". Explain what makes them so. That's the problem whether you're arguing specifics or generalities.

>>27567154
>everything has to look tough

>>27567197

I never onced quoted or referred to that post, so I don't why you keep brining it up.

>>27567203
All starter final evolutions don't look tough, but they at least look formidable.
>Delphox
>Meganium
>Serperior
>Venusaur
>Swampert
None of them look super tough, but you're not going to fuck with them.

>>27567142
>most of it is furry

[citation needed]

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>>27566826
Were you bothered by this? It's not new. Also, Popplio3 will likely be the strongest of the starters with its great typing and likely movepool.

>>27567199

It's bad in the same way that a stickman is bad compared to a detailed human drawing. The former is fine if it's a series of stickmen, but it's still objectively worse art, and Pokemon is not stickmen. This Pokemon's base is overly simplistic compared to the benchmark set by Pokemon, and the oversimplicity isn't justified by any particular theme like Ditto. It's supposed to be an organic animal but looks like a toy.

Then the separate details that are slapped onto that body are more complex than the body itself, which again is like drenching frosting on a shitty cake, or like trying to put a monkey in a fancy dress. It only highlights the ugliness in contrast.

>>27566969
Blitzle and Mudbray are the best out of those 4.

>>27567346
I'm not bothered but I'll never use it. Who gives a fuck what's strongest, lol. And Altaria is based, mega-altaria is a piece of shit design-wise.

>>27567398
Stop trying to use objectivity when grading art you faggot. Art isn't graded like fucking pop quizzes. It's critiqued by people who die and then other people who do the same and everyone finds or doesn't find something to say about it. Technique matters but it's never been the deciding factor, and simplicity can often be received better than more detailed works.

>>27567398
>This Pokemon's base is overly simplistic compared to the benchmark set by Pokemon, and the oversimplicity isn't justified by any particular theme like Ditto. It's supposed to be an organic animal but looks like a toy.

And this "benchmark" is what? The art and design style of Pokemon has changed over the years. You can't just imply it doesn't fit in.

>>27567515

I'm using objectivity specifically because this thread is trying to >>27565105. The "muh opinion" argument is pointless for obvious reasons.

>>27567521

The first gen established the benchmark for technique. Change =/= improvement. Anything that strays too far from it is worse.

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>>27563671
Boomburst

>>27567633

This isn't Gen. 1 anymore, though. And whether a change is an improvement, a step back, or something to be indifferent about is up for each individual to decide. If everyone felt the same way, then we wouldn't be having discussions like this.

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>>27567398
See, this analogy doesn't work. We aren't comparing stick figures to, say, the Creation of Adam. We're comparing this to, say, Dewgong. There is a clear difference between the former two. The difference here isn't as clear at all. And I must've gotten a post confused somewhere because i thought you were the one arguing about clashing colors and a continuous shape and such. I wanted explanation for how its colors clash and how having a continuous shape was in and of itself and implicitly bad thing.

I dislike Popplio's design in one respect, for example, BECAUSE each of its shapes are too distinct. For example, its face looks like a circle with the triangle/cone to make its nose, but there is no attempt to "meld" the two features together like, say, this thing's face or, to go along with an example said earlier, Serperior's face. This gives an impression of "oversimplicity" (moreso than this, for certain, because of its being clearly made of simple shapes) and "incompleteness". This is "bad" because it makes it feel like an incomplete or unfinished design, accepted as final despite missing things that make "skeleton" figure drawings composed of basic shapes complete, such as lines that connect the shapes more naturally instead of making them feel like two seperate shapes stuck on to each other. There's even been art to show that they feel "seperate". Have you ever seen that fan art of popplio where its snout is taken off and reveals a monstrous mouth? The teardrop shape this and Serperior have (Serperior's face is simpler be the way, though again not imply that's a bad thing in and of itself-- simple can be good and as I explained it can also be not good in how Popplio's face is shaped) is a more complex and "complete" shape than a cone stuck onto a sphere.

>>27565707
Maximum overkek

>>27565707

The sad thing is, that's all I can see in this final evolution.

>Looks like it just burst out of its own skin and becomes something entirely different while using its former self as a freaking dress/gown/skirt/whatever

It just ain't the Popplio I got to know.