Smogon Usage-Based Tier Update: August 2016

>>27538485
>Tangrowth moved from RU to OU
why though?

>Quagsire moved from OU to UU
lol

Tier shifts happen every 3 months, so there'll be one more at the beginning of November before Sun & Moon release, and that'll be it for the Gen 6 metagame.

| 40 | Charizard-Mega-Y | 5.204% |
| 41 | Charizard-Mega-X | 5.151% |

>Zard-Y has more usage than Zard-X

What happened?

>>27538485
Trev is probably going to be quite good in NU. It's basically physical Exegutor, except with better typing and more options.

>>27538521
Tangrowth is a super fat fuck with Regenerator. That's about it.

Came here to say tiers are for queers - use your favorites with a workable set and you can win with proper prediction and a bit of hax

>>27540097
But it's always had that. What's the idea behind jumping two tiers?

>>27540109
Clearly a larger percentage of people are starting to use it in stall teams.
I can see Alomomola moving up to UU at least for a similar reason.

>>27540105
This is objectively wrong.
It's nice to think that, but it's incorrect.

If my favourites are Whismur and Shellder, I would get raped in OU.

Please use common sense before you type a stupid comment.

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>>27538485

Glad to see mah boy getting some recognition.

>>27538677
Sun.
Zard Y is better than Zard X.

Zard X needs to set up in order to hit hard, whereas Y literally just switches in, brings Sun, and destroys teams with FireBlast/Flamethrower.
The fact that it has access to SolarBeam too means it has excellent coverage.

It is definitely more viable in OU at the moment

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>>27538485

>Megacham is the second most used mega
>Weavile that high
>Megagross that low after people foaming at the mouth for a ban earlier this year
>Fucking tangrowth eeks into OU
>Charizard Y above X

Pointed out all the things I'm scratching my head about....esp tangrowth and megacham

>>27540187
>If my favourites are Whismur and Shellder, I would get raped in OU.

You'd probably get raped in OU no matter what you use.

>>27538542
Surprised to be honest, I see Quagsire a lot still in OU.

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>>27538485
Time to air-slash spam in PEEUOO

>>27538677
Zard Y is a really good special wall breaker, and can do it with no setup time.

>>27540105
Who says you can't use mons from different tiers in a team? If they work, then they work. Tiers just make life a bit easier for less used mons, so they don't run into Landorus T and Rotom Wash Volt Turn every other match.

>>27540105
I want Karenfags to get fucked like the slut they worship.

>>27540209
Megacham can break up Stall Hard in most cases once you're free to spam HJK, even if it is a bit frail.

Weavile has always been strong as a cleaner, and can even become a setup sweeper with some hazard support and softening of bulkier mons.

Mega Metagross can't handle bulky Sand Teams that are all the rage.

AV Tangrowth is fun as fuck to use, since it'll eat up most attacks and allow you to pivot into whatever you want.

And Charizard Y is because >>27540226

>>27538485
>Slurpuff moved from UU to RU

RU is dead.
Unburden Belly Drum will rape that tier.

Predicting Slurpuff to be suspect tested and move straight back up within weeks

>>27540291
Bronzong walls slurpuff almost completely, right?

What the hell is PU

>>27540307
Tier below NU, with a "clever" name. Basically for stuff that's just so bad you really wouldn't use it anywhere else.

>>27540307
The you're-so-bad-you-don't-have-a-tier tier

>>27540277

I guess weavile makes sense but I still don't get how megacham is outperforming Lopunny or even Gallade really....I guess I'll give it a shot and see.

Don't get me wrong about tangrowth, I know it's awesome, I just don't get why people suddenly realized it all at once like this.

>>27540307
I always wondered before tonight. Turns out it literally is just a pun on "pee-eww"

>>27538485
>Smogon

>>27540301
+6 252+ Atk Slurpuff Drain Punch vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Bronzong: 227-268 (67.1 - 79.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
It OHKOs with Gyro Ball so it can revenge kill it, but it can't switch in safely.

>>27538485
>Smeargle moved from NU to PU
wat

>35.370%

GENIES ARE FINE WE SWEAR

>>27540363
>waaah I hate strong mons waaah I want a safe space

You're what's wrong with Smogon ban system

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>>27540343
>I don't follow tiers, I am a lone wolf. I do as I please. I am not bound by tiers, I am.....euphoric.

>>27540324
Pure Power means Mega Medicham hits 600 or so Attack, even while Jolly. It really is nothing more than a Wall breaker.

>>27540324
I used megacham and it's kind of underwhelming.
Surprised like yourself as to why it's so high in usage.

I think people just look at Pure Power and get an erection.
It's weak as fuck, and very slow in the tier.

>>27540352
True, but you could switch in on the B drum.

>>27538485
>Tangrowth moved from RU to OU
can someone explain this?

>>27540425

It's always been good and people just now realized that because they're dense.

>>27540416

Nothing likes to take a High Jump Kick from Megacham

>>27540105
tiers are guidelines you idiot. You can still use your NU mons in OU.

>>27540381

>just strong
>not over centralizing

Hope you have something for it's 4 viable sets since you never know which one it's using

>>27540425
Always been good, and cancer stall users are finally realising it's a great stall mon with AV and regenerator, plus its natural bulk.

>>27540419
True, but no one in their right mind would drum while Bronzong is alive.

>>27540469
Believe me, some still forget how much Gyro Ball hurts.

>>27540550
I always do, whenever I use Diancie or T-tar I get fucked by that move. It even deals huge damage to relatively slow mons.

>>27540590
Diancie is x4 weak to Steel though, you should really expect that

>>27540590
They're not relatively slow compared to Sassy, 0IV Bronzong/Ferrothorn.

>>27540598
Sure but sometimes I hope to KO with Earth Power or HP Fire, and when it fails, the retribution hits pretty fucking hard.
But I guess I shouldn't ever leave them before them.

>make first RU team a week ago
>not much time to use it, but when I did I loved it
>use tangrowth for the first time and throughly enjoyed it

And just like that my defense is gone.

>>27540277
>Megacham can break up Stall Hard in most cases
But isn't Mega Sableye omnipresent in stall teams?

>>27540786
You can wear it down with other attacks on the switch, especially if you can switch into mons that can ignore WoW. It ends up becoming a more predictive game, but it's one you can win.
Once Sableye is gone though, RIP the other team.

>>27540399
I don't follow fan-made tiers like smogon, vgc is the official format and the only one that actually matters

>>27541055
Play VGC on showdown, nerd.

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What ever happened to the harvest Sitrus Berry Variant of Trevenant that used to be OU?

>>27541088
In practice it was too easy to force out. I like Trevenant a lot and use him myself, but OU is too dangerous for him in many ways.

Knock Off: The Mega alone makes his life hard.

That Tangrowth jump, good lord. People really got stop bandwagonning so hard on meme FOTM stall builds.

Destroying NU bitches with spooky choice band tree is gonna be fun though.

>>27541088
People remembered that knock off existed.

>>27538485
Wasn't Trevenant really high OU for a time?

With how old the format is now could a lot of these shifts be explained by people simply getting bored of playing with what works?
>>27540439
There's nothing ghosts like more than taking a High Jump kick from Megcham.

>>27541433
In like the first month it was out when people had no idea it was terrible yet, yes. It had super tight design and harvest was a neat new novelty so that meant shitters played it.

>>27541055
Whether you like it or not, people play using smogon's rules because its the most thriving format to play 6v6 singles. Y'know the game type that the ENTIRE game prepares you for and challenges you with.

>>27538485
>Pelipper moved from NU to PU
Fitting for a literal toilet seat.

>Quagsire moved from OU to UU
Good to know since I was contemplating whether should I put Roserade on the team or not.

>Slurpuff moved from UU to RU
WHAT ?!

>Trevenant moved from RU to NU
A bit sad, but hey more Grass types to use.

>>27541055
Yeah, play the format where you face the most broken pokemon in the game on every single team and consider yourself lucky if you encounter a Pachirisu on someone's team.

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>smogon

>>27541947
>he doesn't play competitive Pokemon

Why are you even here

>>27541992
To have fun.

Unless you are referring to this thread specifically, in which case my answer is "to shit on smogon filth".

>>27540381

35% is twice as often as anything below top 6, it's ridiculous. It's just fucking tiresome seeing Lando-T on teams.

>>27541992
I play competitive pokemon on the only competitive platform that matters. VGC.

>>27540260
At least I lose my v-card

>>27540318
There are a shitton of pokes in PU, what the actual fuck

This meta is so fucking bad, last good meta was Gen 4, all they had was Uber, OU, UU and NU, not a million BL tiers and "le fahnny name xD" tiers. Power creep is goddamn real. How do you guys find enjoyment in this stuff anymore?

>>27541669
>when people had no idea it was terrible yet
Just like Tangrowth :^)
nothing personal but
>smogon

>>27540149
I'm surprised Alomomola isn't in OU already.
There's really no reason Tangrowth belongs in OU but not Alomo.
It's basically a staple of stall.
Way more common than Tangrowth.

>>27542442
Tangrowth can add bulk to somewhat offensive teams and allows you to pivot into whatever you need. It also packs enough offense to be annoying to most mons, especially with Knock Off for some utility.

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>>27542199
VGC is a mode available on Pokemon Showdown.
Smogon is the best competitive platform because it allows you to play singles matches, which is by far the most popular mode.

The tiering system allows for all mons to be viable, even your shit favourite mons.
They all have the possibility of being viable in their own tier, thanks to the tiering system.

In VGC, there is no variation. Only a select group of mons are viable.
Pic related.

Stop being so autistic that you can't see that Smogon makes competitive Pokemon fun.

>>27542304
PU is just for all the other mons. There is nothing wrong with having a tier for that.

Sometimes I think you guys just hate fun

>>27542124
Then use it yourself?
There is nothing stopping you from using it.

>waaah this mon is too powerful waah but I won't use, I'll just complain about it

>>27542527
Yeah apparently Alomo only gets .8% usage vs Tangrowth's 3.6.
Which is pretty shocking cause I swear I see Alomomola all the time and Tangrowth seldom.
But maybe I'm just not high enough on the ladder.

>>27542030
i came to this thread to shit on you

>>27542304
Its nothing to do with power creep you dunce (though there is totally power creep), theres hundreds more pokemon since Gen 4. Of course they need more tiers.

>>27542599
You and me both then, I grew to hate that fish after seeing it on every team.

>>27542592
>If you don't like something you should use it yourself
Solid logic there.

>>27542688
There are plenty of checks to Landorus, but I agree that knowing which set it has is pretty much necessary for you to do well against it.

>>27542571
>>27542304
There's also the super-unofficial FU tier, for pokemon that don't get usage in PU.

>>27542626
I hate stall in general.
It wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't banned all the best stall breakers to Ubers
But now we have to endure 100+ turn battles every match.
It's not even fun anymore.

>>27542730
Serperior does pretty well against the common stall archetype, it just needs some support to break through special walls.

>Muk PU
Kek

>>27542688
Nice strawman.
Jesus the level of conversation here really is low.

He didn't say that he didn't like it, he said it's too powerful, too centralizing.
No one "dislikes" a mon in competitive battling unless it's because it's too powerful, or too weak

Therefore if he thinks it's too powerful, he should probably use it himself, but he'd rather complain about how it's too powerful.

I genuinely think I'm talking to 14 year olds here, I feel like I'm alone in that I'm over the age of 18.

>>27542717
Yeah I saw that.
Luckily I doubt Pokemon Showdown will ever introduce an actual FU game mode.

That would get ridiculous very fast

>>27542780
It would allow Pokemon who can't cut it in PU to have some fun

>>27542761
>he said it's too powerful, too centralizing.
>It's just fucking tiresome seeing Lando-T on teams.
Nice Strawman.
Jesus the level of conversation here really is low.
I genuinely think I'm talking to 14 year olds here, I feel like I'm alone in that I'm over the age of 18.

>>27542838
Tiresome, because Lando is so powerful.
Do you think he would give a fuck if Lando was weak?
Would he become tired if Lando had shit stats?

No, he think it's too powerful for the tier.
But he still decides to not use it.

Guess what, I don't like the mon Krookodile as a Pokemon, but I still use it, because it's the best mon in UU.

>>27542748
Yeah, I can see how Serperior would work well.
But it's just one pogey.
Honestly if they just banned Sablenite to Ubers the meta would work itself out.
He's patient zero for the stall meta we find ourselves in.

>>27540105
tierlists, as in rankings, may be for idiots, but smogon tiers place restrictions. There is a reason Mega Gengar is uber, and it also allows us not to worry to face such insane thing

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>>27538485
>Trevenant moved from RU to NU

>>27542883
>Tiresome=powerful
Thats called a strawman yu rtard

When are people going to stop using Zapdos so it can drop to UU

>>27543040
Never.
It's too god at shutting down offensive mons with Static and then just healing away any damage with Roost.
I kind of like it.
It's a welcome change.

Pokemon that people need to use more in OU:

Nidoking (UU)
Suicune (UU)

Aerodactyl-M (UU)
Gyarados (UU)
Quagsire (UU)
Reuniclus (UU)
Kingdra (BL2)
Slowking (RU)
Gastrodon (NU)

Celebi (UU)
Crawdaunt (UU)
Hydreigon (UU)
Mamoswine (UU)
Metagross (UU)
Alomomola (RU)

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>torkoal on ban list
fucking why?

I'm really new to smogon stuff but why can't Mega Tyranitar and Garchomp move down a tier if their usage is so low?

>>27543133
>Nidoking (UU)
Why though. There's so many better options in OU, hence it's UU.
>Suicune (UU)
Same.
>Aerodactyl-M (UU)
Too much competition from other megas. Victim of one mega/team.
>Gyarados (UU)
Same as aero for its mega, also suffering from cancerstall.
>Quagsire (UU)
No.
>Reuniclus (UU)
Why even.
>Kingdra (BL2)
Fuck no that thing is shit.
>Slowking (RU)
Literally why.
>Gastrodon (NU)
But why?
>Celebi (UU)
Yes.
>Crawdaunt (UU)
Yes.
>Hydreigon (UU)
Nah, just doesn't hit hard enough and isn't fast enough and not bulky enough. Poor little 600 bst shitmon.
>Mamoswine (UU)
Yes.
>Metagross (UU)
No.
>Alomomola (RU)
Very yes.

>>27543170
Because their normal forms are OU and you can't have a mega without the normal form.

>>27543186
Oh, right, sorry, I'm a fucking idiot

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>>27540399
>letting someone dictate what pokemon you can and can't use

>>27543227
Go to AG then :^)

>>27538485
>Trevenant moved from RU to NU
This took 3 years longer than it should have. This thing has always been worse than Gourgeist-XL but shitters just refused to let this thing drop.

>>27538485
>Tangrowth moved from RU to OU
GODDAMN IT

>>27543133
I wouldn't mind Mamoswine jumping to OU. That thing is a cunt to play against and we don't need its Ice Shard to keep Salamence in check any more.

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>>27541055
>playing a format that has Mega Rayquayquay in it

>>27542304
>googoo gaga i was 12 when dp came out so it was the best xD!
kys, pokemon multiplayer hasn't been good since Emerald at the latest

>>27543390
Gen III meta was pretty fucking awful.
Especially if Wobuffet was involved.

>>27543403
*sets up stealth rocks*

>>27543434
No really, have you ever had to watch a Wobuffet mirror match?

>>27543454
>losing badly
>opponent sends out Wobbuffet
>Send out my own wobbuffet

:^)

>>27538677
The meta isn't kind to DDancers in general at the moment. T-Wave spammers, bulky ground/water types, and sand teams make it hard to set up and sweep consistently. On the other hand, wallbreakers like Zard-Y and Mega Medicham are having a fucking field day with this meta shift.

>>27540324
>>27540416

i dont play OU but it's not surprising that megacham would have high usage, especially in a tier that has high stall usage. megacham's attack stat is about where choice band kyurem-b's attack stat is.

>>27543144
That's just a list of all the PU pokemon that aren't allowed in FU, like how you can't use anything from OU in UU.

>>27538521
Probably me

I've used it in over 1000 battles this past while.

Assault vest plus an amazing movepool and defense stat is nothing to Scoff at. That said, this is kinda disappointing. Don't want smogonites getting used to it

>>27543599
>Probably me
Anon please.

Tangrowth has been putting some good work in Smogon tournaments lately and when something starts doing well in tournaments, ladder players start using it too. The same thing happened with Quagsire a few months ago.

>>27543640
I dunno I've been using it from RU to Ou and everything in-between since it's release with regenerator so it's kind of disheartening I have to adjust all of my teams.

Been killing heatrans (eq) and brelooms (sludge bomb) with it for so long

>>27541055
Play AG then, that's what I do besides OU.

Smogon is extremely hypocrite and over-centralizes their metas without even noticing it themselves.

>Ubers
Literally every team needs a Pdon on team or it isn't viable, meta got so centralized that stall and HO aren't even viable anymore at high-ladder.
>OU
Certain pokemon are used in 80% of competitive teams, thank god for megas and no primals still allowing some variation and different play-styles, for now at least.

The worst thing is that they're trying to over-centralized AG too with their arceus/ray-quay-quay spam, comfortably going with same strategy, idea and play-style for majority of teams with minimal variation, choosing to ignore the vast amount of strategies possible in it. Though that's the good part - they cry and rage when they lose to something that isn't "meta" and complain that it was because of luck (when before baton pass ban in OU, all high-ladder players answer was "fish for crit after a check" and they still considered themselves "skillful" and baton pass "skill-less").

Fuck smogon as a community, but OU is a format that can be enjoyed still and LC can be refreshing from time to time.

Would Ubers be more fun if Groudon-P was banned?

>>27543714
Adding to that, even if Pdon was banned, would another Pokemon just take its place as S+ in the Viability Rankings?

>>27543749
Probably P-Ogre

>>27543749
Primal fishe probably would

>>27543749
POgre and Xernias would run rampant anyways.

If not for them, others would still take their place, but without retarded weather abilities, a few more options would rise up there's plenty of checks for xerneas.

>>27543766
>>27543808

I'm assuming, after Banning Pdon, and Pogre becomes, S+, if we ban Pogre, another Pokemon will become S+, banning that one will cause another one to become S+, until we get to The OU tier we have now? or is it possible to have a Balanced Ubers tier with AG as a banlist?

Why the fuck haven't they made a battle spot singles format albeit with 6 usable pokemon on showdown?

It would be a great alternate to OU for those that complain about tiering. Everything allowed except box legendaries and pixies. Clauses still intact though aside from baton pass and weather.

>>27543874
See
>>27543868

In other words, ban primals to get back weather-possible teams.

Few of the megas or other pokes might become a bit problematic, as it always is with smogon faggots - they just find 4 or so pokes and shove it in every "meta" team, but continue to pretend they're saints and are against "centralizing" meta when they do exactly that.

Just remove ubers at this point, keep AG (as it is) and OU. There's no reason to play ubers, unless you enjoy masturbating to Pdon.

>>27543932
Because it would get tier'ed and rule-fucked too and most Smogon faggots would still play OU, ruin ubers for the rest and try to create a "meta" in AG.

>>27543874
There was no such thing as an S+ mon in Ubers before P-don so it's not like it's going to be endlessly replaced. Eventually Ubers will start to go back to the way things were before ORAS.

>>27543992
The point is that they leave it untouched and let the meta work itself out like antismogon fags want to see.
Which means they can't add tiers or change restrictions.
>>27543963

>>27543749
>S+ in the Viability Rankings
Why the fuck don't they ban primals?
They tried to ban M-Sableye, M-Altaria and M-Metagross, but htese don't overcentralize. Mega Altaria even dropped to UU.

>smeargle is now in PU
Reminder that there was a point in time where smeargle was to overpowered for UU.

>>27544026
So in other words, a 6v6 singles with AG "rules" and no legendaries-clause?

What for? Play AG, you don't need mega-rayquayquay and several god-goats for a team to function there if you build around a strategy (scary thing for smogon).

Or you just want 1v1 with your favorite starters/mons? Because OU allows that for most of "I want to play my fav poke" audience, at least to a certain extent, albeit I can see why certain gen-lovers wouldn't be satisfied at all or how anyone who hates smogon rules for OU wouldn't be satisfied either.

>>27542442
>way more common than tangrowth

you're aware tangrowth moved up based on USAGE right. so no, alomomola is not more common than tangrowth otherwise it would have moved up too.

and before someone says it, no, it's not lower ladder using tangrowth because lower ladder do not catch on to lower tier pokemon that work in higher tiers until they actually move up. see amoonguss who went from just breaking the tier barrier to now being up around #30 in usage

>>27544066
Because they absolutely love Pdon and base entire meta around it, because it has "so many sets and keeps meta in check!".

And anything that threatens their comfort-zone even remotely runs a risk of getting ban-hammered, see: baton-pass ban in OU.

>>27544140
>baton-pass ban in OU

To be fair though, baton-pass is horribly unfun to play against.

>>27543706
>You can use anything in AG
>people run broken shit
No shit sherlock

>>27544163
>unfun
>reason to ban something from COMPETITIVE environment.
I don't find it fun to battle against 2 same almost identical teams with just different mega/lead thrown in every time, but that's all I'll ever get in an insanely heavily rule-enforced and over-centralized environment. So, if we go by "what's fun", I'd rather have 1 out of 4 teams be annoying and toll-taking to battle against, than seeing same shit over and over and over again and just switching in a different check-order from last battle.

>>27544163
But 2 genies on every fucking team isn't?

>>27544171
Wasn't my point, Einstein.

There's way more broken shit to be ran than over-glorified gecko and horse. However, they don't even try to explore those strategies, they use the most simple, brain-dead options possible and cry that actual broken strategies are "unfun" or "luck-based" if they ever face them.

A.K.A they try to create a comfortable environment-meta in a chaotic environment as they're used to their OU gameplay.

>>27544140
Thank you Dennisss for reinforcing how much Smogon are bitches over "muh comfortable meta".

>>27544250
Double Genies are frail and probably hyper offensive.

>Finally bred and raised a perfect Trevenant in game, IVs and all
>Lowered a tier
Well fuck.

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>Quagsire UU
One more reason to never play that garbage tier.

>Shaymin RU
Should be interesting.

>>27544313
You can still use it in the tier you wanted to use it in.

>>27538485
>AMBIPOM
>IS
>STILL
>IN
>RU
I AM BEYOND FUCKING MAD. CINCCINO IS RIGHT /R I G H T/ FUCKING THERE YOU RETARDED TWATS. HOW CAN PEOPLE BE THIS BAD, HOW IS IT FUCKING POSSIBLE. WHY IS THIS FUCKING MONKEY STILL. S T I L L. USED IN RU. GET THE FUCK OUT OF RU, DROP TO PU WHERE YOU BELONG YOU DUMB NIGGER.

>>27544262
Okay, show me the strategy that doesn't go down the drain as soon as you face ubers spam + mega fug. There just isn't much room with all those monsters roaming the tier.

>>27544138
see >>27542599

The main reason Tangrowth moved up is because of stall, which I think is mainly only a cancer in OU and UU.
Pretty sure the lower tiers tend to go a little more offensive because they lack some of the key stall mons, and now they lack another, so it's probably good for RU.
Now if we could just get rid of Alomomola.

>>27538542

Quagsire the tier jumper

>>27538485

>Shaymin moved from UU to RU

Curious to see how RU handles this thing.

>>27544476
http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/anythinggoes-407712394

Granted, both players didn't knew anything they were doing, one just used pokes he likes, other tried to build a "meta-team" (granted shitty-one).

You can build around:
unaware (stall, trick room sweep, etc if you fear DD-Ray, EKiller and swords pdon so much)
multi-sleep/stat abuse (as you'll only see 6xKlefki regarding this in Smogon and they still hold kefki as an A or higher tier and run at least 1 counter or several checks to it)
evasion (oh no, "LUCK"!, never mention this word in smogon, because pokemon is "skill-based". Protip: At max boost it's no longer luck.)
countless troll-counter teams for Smogon-made "meta" teams (might fold to 6xKlefki on low ladder though)
Baton-pass abuse (requires actual thought/calculation when building)
Almost any "gimmick" can be made viable too.
You can even run weather-based teams that can sweep like there's no tomorrow with just a primal-check/counter thrown in.
I'm sure there's shit I forgot too.

Granted, you might need to fill some slots with your own "ubers", but there's much much more room for shit than HO and balance offense in AG, sadly often requiring making your own EV spreads and sets instead of copy-pasting from Smogon-given ones.

>>27538485
>tornadus
>quagsire
>in UU
Get the cancer out of the tier REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>27544671
It wont. Reckon that lil shit will get banned.

>>27544686
This only worked out the way it did because the ubers player was clinically retarded.

FU would be pretty cool desu

>>27543133
Nidoking is outclassed by Kyurem-B. It's not moving anytime soon.

Reuniclus will stay in UU for as long as Bisharp is in OU. Knokc Off means slower psychics are really bad right now, you need to outspeed Bishapr if you have a weakness to Dark otherwise you're gonna get Knocked off of Pursuited.

Crawduant is outclassed by Azumarill. Seriously, Azu is better in almost every way. It's staying in UU most likely, but that's okay. It's fine where it is.

Non-mega Metagross is really crappy in OU (not enough speed, doesn't hit hard enough, sometimes they need a turn to set up) and UU needs Steel types. That one REALLY shouldn't move. If Mega Metagross is struggling with sand teams, regular metagross would be dead weight most of the time.

>>27544686
>http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/anythinggoes-407712394

>Arceus used Twister!

Hahahaha what

>>27542442

Tangrowth fits in on Sand teams

>>27544686

Why didnt you bring Audino in on the Shadow force instead of letting Excadrill die?
Shadow Force is ghost, right? So Audino is immune to it.

>>27544827
Nigga that isn't me on either side, I just gave an example of how two absolute idiots play, just one uses ubers, other random shit.

To make it simple: Smogon builds teams around their self-made meta, that is extremely basic and because most new people that come to AG, look up their shit, they follow the same route.

Any team that their basic balance offense isn't prepared for will fold, even a pokemon that has a move that isn't in the 1 or 2 basic sets Smogon provides is "surprising" for them.

"AG" existed for years with Wi-Fi battles and normal "no rules" players don't need to go to Smogons "AG" to play as they can just continue to play normally and laugh at OU player-base trying to approach this from their simplistic perspective.

>>27540307
Pokemon that really stink.

>>27538485
>Tangrowth moved from RU to OU
>When Slowking is a much better AV user and is condemned to obscurity forever
What the fuck

>>27542534
What a creative team!

>>27538485
Any chance Seismitoad moves to OU? I've seen so many.

>>27543227
I don't even play smogon but it doesn't take a genius to tell you that smogon isn't telling you what you can or can't use, it's telling you in what group of Pokemon you should play so that your team match-ups are as fair as possible.

>>27543378
Mega Ray isn't even that great in VGC though; with no solid spread damage it falls just short of overpowered, and is easy enough to play around. Primal Groudon or Geomancy Xerneas (or fucking dark void smeargle) would be a more valid complaint this year for OP-ness. I mean usage alone - Groudon is on 92% of teams.

>>27543599
(you)
here you go you attention craving snowflake

>>27544974
Doesn't Slowking get murdered by Bisharp? Slowbro at least has more defense against knock off.

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>>27538485
>Tangrowth moved from RU to OU
>it took them this long

Fuck, my secret tech is common knowledge now.

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When will Muk be good?

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I simply adore OU fags on this board saying "that's a shitmon" or "that doesn't belong in OU" and then having things like Quagsire, Tangrowth, Mandibuzz and Amoongus end up being OU. It's an amazing game full of fuck you's

>>27543133
Nidoking is too slow
Suicune has its job done better by Rotom W and Slowbro
Mega Aerodactyl is great but confusing to team build for imo
Gyarados is in OU enough, it has a mega. I see it all the time
Quagsire isn't too strong and Clefable is a better unaware user
Reuniclus has no coverage besides Ghost, Fighting and Grass
Kingdra needs rain or needs a set up for its gimmick
Slowking isnt as good as Slowbro nor does it have a mega
Gastrodon should be used more. It was great in OU when weather wars were a thing
Celebi should be in OU, but the weaknesses and the Talonflame
Crawdaunt has no speed or bulk. If you can find a chance where your opponent is doing literally nothing to switch in, have them not do anything because it's so slow and then attack, then good job.
Hydreigon is outsped by most dragons and fairy is everywhere in OU
Mamoswine doesn't need to be in OU because dragon isn't king anymore
Metagross isn't very good without it's mega in OU
Alomomola is pretty niche, but it could be used more

>>27546848
Not as long as Earthquake exists.
And some other factors I guess.

>>27544686
>That Umbreon
>That Arceus

Jesus christ

>>27547146
Psychic types as well

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>>27538485
>M-Heracross and Tangrowth in OU
WAT, Mr. Shaggy ain't that shabby? Hell yeah, it's about time.

>>27546848
Muk works nicely as a physical attacker, which is what I use him for on my team.
Tiers are for queers, use the Pokémon that you love. Don't let the NEET community tell you which Pokémon are viable and which aren't. You are just limiting yourself and your creativity.
DARE TO BE DIFFERENT, ANON! I run Muk and Stantler and idfaf, I like them.

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HAI GAIZ
Y U NO USE ME
AM REEL GUD N STRONGGGG N HAV TUNG

>>27547318
>>27540187

>>27540187
This is objectively wrong.
It's nice to think that, but it's incorrect.

If my team was made of Mew and Zapdos, I would get bored in any group.

Please recognize there is more than the competitive element in Pokémon and use a greater scope when you type an ignorant comment.

>>27542030
but competitive pokemon is fun

>>27547572
>I know you are but what am I

>>27542534
>primal groudon over primal kyogre
Can someone explain this to me?

>>27538485
>Tangrowth moved from RU to OU

What happened here?

>>27542534
>Smogon is the best competitive platform because it allows you to play singles matches, which is by far the most popular mode.

Also the least balanced, but hey.

>>27547787
Primal Groudon is better than Primal Kyogre in almost every aspect.

This is coming from an Ubers player, so it might be different in VGC, however.

Is anyone else triggered by the fact that there is no longer one rotom form in each tier?

>>27538485
>Tangrowth OU
what happened?

>>27547809
>>27547876
Can't you read the thread?

>genies haven't been removed
I stopped playing showdown like 5 months ago and they were a problem then. What gives? I thought they were ban happy.

>>27546979
Those Pokémon have always been good. You're not proving anything, you know.

>>27546848
>sludge monster with a physical focus
>all sludge moves are special now
It's forever ruined.

>>27544974
Slowing doesn't have Knock Off, Sleep Powder, Leech Seed, Giga Drain. It's more than just numbers.

>>27548027
not true, he still has Gunk Miss

>>27540307

The Best of the Worst of the Worst.

It where the true shitmons reside.

>>27538521
Stall is unbeatable.

>>27541055
You mean the meta where literally everyone uses the same exact team bar changing one, maybe 2 mons every 50 teams?

>>27547787

Because Primal Groudon is better

Having an immunity to water when you're naturall 4x weak to it is amazing. also, yes primordial sea overrides desolant land, but P-Ogre isn't going to be too keen on switching into a Preciple Blades off of base 180 attacking stat, unlike P-Don who can easily switch into an Origin Pulse/Water Spout/Thunder/Blizzard and whatnot.

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SRSLY GAIZ
AM REEL GUD
HAVE MUCH HP
SLOW DUN MEEN BAD GAIZ
PLZ LISSEN GAIZ CUZ I SHOOD B N TEER WUN

>>27544163
And using a small list of "viable" Pokémon out of a huge selection isn't boring?
Oh look, the same Pokémon doing the same move, followed by another commonly used Pokémon with another common set.

>>27544974

Being Bisharp bait doesn't make you better friendo.

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COMON GAIZ 4 REEL
TUNG IS REEEEEEEEEELY LONG
AM SOOPR TUFF
Y NO1 YOOZ MEE IZ CUZ I LICK STUF/?

>>27546979
This. Not to mention all the idiots who thought normal Heracross was more viable than the Mega.

>>27549166
look anon I appreciate your effort but it's not really funny

besides Lickilicky is fine in its own tier

>>27549278
All I wanted was some attention...

Which is best program to play with?
Pokemon showdown?

>>27549784
Are there others?

>>27549822
Pokemon Online

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>Been out of the Pokemon loop for a long time
>Thinking of popping back in
>Tangrowth is OU now
#WeMadeIt

>>27542304
>Says 4th gen was a good meta
>Clearly underaged since he doesn't have ptsd from Garchomp before ban or Dragmag
>Doesn't realize gen 6 has one of the most balanced metas to date, with UU pokemon actually having niche roles in OU high levels of play.

Autism.

>>27547830
>Least balanced
>Can still play Doubles in smogon
>Doesn't keep up with VGC and doesn't realize it's literally the same 10 pokemon rearranged

Mods need to stop jerking off to pics of their own moms and start banning obvious shitposts.

>>27551578
I miss DragMag

>>27542304
Spot the nostalgic sinnohfetus.

>>27549822
pokemon online exists, but compared to ps its really not that great. it has its own separate tiering system to smogon though.