how do we fix grass and ice types?

Ice now resists Flying and Ground types.
Hail now increases Ice types defenses by 50%.


Grass now resists Fairy.
Grass no longer is resisted by poison and weak to poison. Instead, Water gets the weakness to poison instead. Water also gets resisted by Poison.

>>27505512

>Ice now resists Flying and Ground types.
>Hail now increases Ice types defenses by 50%.

This.

Grass is fine as a type though, no changes necessary.

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Why isn't Ice super effective against Water?

>>27505544
Because freeze dry

>Ice
Resists Flying, Grass, Water
Super effective to Steel. (Steel gets Dark resistance back to compensate.)

>Grass
Resists Fairy and Rock (Rock resists Fairy to compensate)
"Energy" based Grass attacks (Energy Ball, Solar Beam, etc) are super effective to Ice type.

>>27505544
Running water is hard to freeze, and room temperature water melts Ice. We're lucky Ice isn't weak to Water.

>>27505543
>it's an anon is retarded episode

Grass is the worst type in the game.

>>27506926
That would be rock

>>27505470
I want to fug sableye

I mean, make it so ice resists ground and dragon, so it can work as a counter to these two very powerfull and universall attackers, making most bulky ice types worth a damn. Or make ice supereffective on water and fairy, to be the true most offensively based type

Remove plant's poison weakness, it never made sense since plants USE poison, and make it hit neutrally against bug, flying and poison.

Is this good enough to fix both?

Make water and ice resist each other

Ice now resists ground and dragon

Grass now resists fighting

>>27507167
Nah. Bug. But Grass deserves a buff, too.

>>27506926
Ice is the worst type. Tons of weaknesses (all common types), one resistance (itself), and most of them are slow and defensive. Several non-Ice types get Ice moves as well.

Rock is second worst. Grass is decent, just needs a small boost. Nothing else is really bad.

>>27507975
Grass is resisted by seven types, half of the total amount, and had 5 weaknesses, all to powerfull offensive types baring bug. The only reason ice is worse is because it doesn't even get resistances and there's some good grassmons, but there's no way in hell rock is worse than grass, not by a long shot, I'd dare say bug is worse than rock

>>Offensive
Dragon, Flying, Grass, Ground
>2x

Ice, Steel
>1/2x

----------------------------------------------------

>>Defensive
Ice, Water, Grass, Fighting
>1/2x

Fire, Rock, Steel
>2x


>Offensively
Ice is now a very powerful typing offensively, being good against 4 types and resisted by only itself and steel. Fire's resistance to ice has been removed because of how strong fire is and the fact that ice fucking melts and becomes water. For the sake of not fucking the meta back 2 generations and making ice punch/beam a near-mandatory move on all sets, especially with it's 2x to Dragon, it won't gain any more positive offensive type-effectiveness. This ensures fairness for an already mostly defensively skewed roster for ice types, and ensuring the multitude of offensively skewed pokemon making use of ice's super-effectiveness doesn't overshadow ice-type pokemon even more than already.


>Defensively
Ice, being the single weakest for not having any resistances other than itself, is buffed by being resistant to itself, water, grass, and fighting. Grass has many status effects and leeching ability which already makes it somewhat viable depending on second typing and defensive ability. Water is a no-brainer, there is no reason it shouldn't have resisted water. Water is a strong offensive type already. Fighting is the new addition defensively. Fighting is super effective to almost every single defensively skewed typing in the game. It's really sad that for 6 generations of pokemon that Fighting has countered every single defensive typing that has been made. There is no reason to have a single offensive typing that is effective against ALL defensive types, especially when most defensive types have a dual typing that is super effective against their own defensive typing. It makes defensive types virtually worthless for their intended purpose - to defend. Fire stays as supereffective while making Ice not suck against it keeps things balanced.

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>>27505470
Simple
STOP
MAKING
BULKY
ICE TYPES

It's seriously ALL they've made since gen 4

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>>27505674
>Steel gets Dark resistance back

>>27505470
just make it resist the types its effective against ffs

ice immune to water

>bulky waters cant run scald/ice beam and call it a day
>can't just hump the scald button until you get a burn
>mamoswine becomes viable pogre switchin

>>27508917
Even then, they made only bulky ones except for ONE cross-evo introduced in gen 2 that kept the same general stat spread.

what game is that qt animation from?

ITT
> Rock is a good type
> When it has many weaknesses
> When the most part of the Rock-type mons are defensive

>>27509194
I want bronzong to actually wall things again

>>27509949
m8, rock isn't fucked up by its type interactions like grass or ice is. It's fucked up by gamefreak not making fast offensive rock pokemon.

Someone said in another balance thread there's like 124 water pokemon and 114 learn ice moves. I think they need to cut down the number.
To just arctic animals. For example the Piplup line are penguins so it makes sense for them to get ice moves.
Now the totodile line are alligators and crocodiles they shouldn't get ice moves.

>>27505470
Ice
>Resist flying and ground
>Hail increase power of ice moves or give Ice types a defense increase
>More abilities that work under hail (like a ice version of sandrush)
>More exclusive ice attacks (there's no physical ice attack that is stronger than Icicle Crash other Freeze Shock)
>Ice types are immune to freeze status
grass
>resistance to fairy
>more grass types learning leech seeds

>>27509859
Pokemon Battle Revolution

>>27505544
GF is an assembly of barely competent retarded chimpanzees churning out accidental hit games hence so many things not making sense.