Does /vp/ think that Alolan forms of old Pokemon should count

They function just like new Pokemon, so why not?

>>27499642
Personally I'd count them as new Pokemon, but I'm sure most of /vp/'s autists will say they are not new Pokemon because reasons.

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>never appeared in a previous gen before
>have new types, abilities, and new movesets
>have different stat distributions

I don't see why not senpai;

>>27499642
>different typing
>different stats
>different moveset
don't see how it doesn't count

>>27499642
Use whatever you want?

>>27499684
>>27499690
These. Its like not having a weavile in gen IV. Just because its rooted in previous gens doesn't discredit the "newness" of these pokemon, if anything they're even more rooted in this gen than cross-evos could hope to be

It doesn't matter. I do think it's an interesting way of showing how quickly speciation works in Pokémon.

Not new Pokemon, but new forms on Pokemon.

I will count the new species as New Pokemon, and then these guys (Which I deeply love) as Delta Pokemon.

It will be awesome to travel to different regions carrying the Pokemon that I know will be different across the pokeglobe. <3

>>27499642
I'd like to think it meants they're not as beholden to gen 1 mon as we'd thing. If a Kanto remake is ever announced it'll certainly be interesting.

They've rocked my expectations. Had just Eggecutor been announced I'd have said only secondary typings are changing and slight appearences so they don't constitute new mon.

But with the other two it complete turns the traditional line on its head and adds typings

They're variations of Gen 1 mons, so even with the new typing/ability/stat tweaks I don't really count them as new Pokemon. However if it fits onto your team, then go ahead and use them OP. It's your adventure.

I think the reason why those mons were given a complete different typing is that they won't overlap with their post-gen1 counterparts. For example: Fennekin line is the new firefox, that's why Vulpix is now ice type, because instead of create a white fox pokemon, why not use an already existing fox and change the typing due to enviromental adaptability like irl animals. Same with the case of Sandshrew and Drillbur lines.

Maybe we will see an Alola Machamp because of Conkeldurr. And the different typings will be exclusive to Alola. Meaning they will take their place in the national pokedex or figure as alternate forms.

>>27499642
obviously, they're retyped they're functionally totally different

Well, they seem to be subspecies of old Pokémon, so I think that makes them new as they're variations on already known Pokémon. I really like them because it gives off such a nice Darwinian vibe. So I'll plan on using them, and I don't plan on using old mons on my team either.

>>27499642
Which one is more fun for you?

I don't think TPCi willl have them as a separate species from the regular ones, but I would consider them to be new.

>>27499642

I originally only wanted to use new Pokemon, but I'll definitely use Vulpix now

I'm doing an AlolaDex Exclusive run my first playthrough. This excludes Alolan Forms just to keep it as fresh as possible.

Then I'll do a run that's just Alolan Forms.

>>27499642
>Alola Forms
>Forms
>FORMS

You tell me if they are new Pokémon or not, senpai.