>water only has 2 weaknesses

Electric only has 1.

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>>27437351
>it's also the most common type

>>27437351
literally one of the best types in game. doesn't even matter if you resist it scaled burn for the win.

take a fucking bath johnny

>steel has 3 weaknesses
>water has 2
Steelfags BTFO

>Reminder that Normal and Electric only have 1 weakness

Still OP as fuck.

>>27437392

Steel also has 11 resistances vs Water's 4 so that logic doesn't really add up.

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>Electric has 1 weakness

>>27437351
>normal has one weakness
fucking bullshit

>>27437418
Shhhhh, let him have this

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>Poison only has 2 weaknesses

>>27437351
It's not so much that water only has two weaknesses but rather it being weak to types that aren't commonly used offensively.

FREEZE DRY

>>27437825
Electric is pretty common.

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>>27437351
>Fairy has 2 weaknesses

>>27437351
>water only has 1 weakness

>dragon is slightly overpowered
>do reduce their resistances
>just make a type that's even more broken

Fairy type is literal shit.

>>27437937
Just wait until we get omega destroyer ash pikachu triple synchro mega summon with an ability that deals electric damage to the opponent's whole party. Water won't stand a ghost of a chance.

>>27437976
The same happened with psychic during gen II, where instead of buffing ghosts or moving resistances around, they made up the dark type. Now we have two overlapping as fuck types.

>>27437926
GUILLOTINE

>>27437351
>water dont have weakness

>It's only resisted by three types
>One of those types is itself

>normal has one weakness, but it super effective to nothing

>electric has one weakness, and is super effective to two types

>Ghost is now weak to Ghost
I... didn't know

>>27438001
except dark isn't broken

they made dark AND steel to nerf psycho and buff muscle

>>27437351
>Electric only has one weakness
>Eelektross with levitate
>anything with levitate or balloon
>NO WEAKNESSES

>>27438045
And it's still dumb, years down the line.

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>>27437351
>Water isn't weak to ice

Why?

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>>27438224
Guess his favorite type.

>>27438224
>implying ice doesn't melt in water

>>27437991
It won't compare to ash greninja triple synchro mega summon

water is safe for now

>>27437812
>there will never be a canoe Pokemon
>we'll never learn how to catch it

>>27438224

This desu

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>>27438265
>Masuda will retire someday

>>27438265
You'd think it would be fire but nope.

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>>27438265
>no one has assassinated this guy yet
whoever does it, make it soon and painful

>>27438265
This is literally the only reason why.

>>27438028
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>27438224
High specific heat.

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>Fire has 3 weaknesses
>All 3 are weak to grass
>A few Fire types know Solar Beam

>>27438028
normal is also unaffected by one type

electric is also ineffective against one type

>>27438044
ghost has always been weak to ghost

>>27437351
Sabe pa

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Logically, Electricity should be resisted by Flying and super effective against Steel.

>rock has FIVE fucking weaknesses

they should really drop the ground weakness. it honestly makes no sense.

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>grass has 5 weaknesses

>>27438265
His favorite type is Gengar. His favorite game is Gengar. His favorite flavor of ice cream is Gengar. Fuck this fucking fuck and his fucking eternal Gengar buffing.

>>27438699
Erosion via sand and particulates, same reason as its weakness to water.

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>>27437351
>scald wasn't upgraded to be water/fire type in XY

>>27439027
Nigga moves can't be two types

>>27439307
what's Flying Press then?

>>27438044
>Giratina
>weak to both of it's types

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>ghost is weak to ghost

>>27439364
>not getting outspooked by your fellow ghost brethren

>>27438572
I know that at least up through Gen 5, all fully evolved fire-types other than Flareon could learn solarbeam. I know this because this was used as a joke in a youtube video to represent a fucking tedious and annoying conversation.

>>27437364
Electric has only 2 resists (itself and steel) and is weak to the most common attack type.

Grass is not a common or strong attack type and there are almost no physical attackers among electric types.
Thus water needs its poison weakness while electric and grass need offensive buffs.

>>27438641
how? steel conducts electricity
i.e. electricity passes through it harmlessly. without harm

>>27439543
>water

>>27439567
please stop speaking in memes
i don't understand what you're trying to convey to me

i responded to a post talking about the relationship between electric, flying and steel. Nothing about water was mentioned

>>27437351
>Dark given a fairy weakness despite not needing any more weaknesses

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>poison isn't good against everything

>>27437351
John Davis?

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>grass has 5 weaknesses
>resisted by 7 types
>several of those types are often seen together, resulting in plenty of Pokemon with a x4 Grass resistance
A ground and electric resist isn't enough to justify this shit.

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>Water types get Ice attacks for Grass type coverage
>Fire types mostly get Electric attacks for Water coverage
>Grass gets fucking nothing

>>27439679
>>27439692
I fucking love grass types, too bad they are so shit

>>27439692
Yeah grass unfortunately gets shafted when it comes to movepools. I think they should get access to ground and fairy moves imo.

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>>27439707
GF fucking hates Grass, apparently it's supposed to be the defensive type meant to spread status conditions, but all the powder moves have shit accuracy, Spore is only on about 3 Pokemon, Leech Seed distribution is a joke, and Water is better at giving status since everyone learns Toxic and Scald is the best move in the game bar none.

Just give them some ground moves or something, fuck.

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>>27437418

>putting steel type gym leaders in early game
>when most wild pokemon up to that point have normal/grass/flying type attacks
>LOL ITS YOUR FAULT FOR NOT CHOOSING THE FIRE STARTER!

>>27438572

Also energy ball.

I tried to engage in the dreaded weather wars of gen 5, only for a fucking ninetails to energy ball me

>>27439588
electricity passes through water 'harmlessly' as well you nit

>>27439744

Yeah, most grass types only learn grass and normal moves, their shitty movepools don't help.

Meanwhile practically every water type gets ice attacks, fire types will get grass attacks like solar beam/energy ball, fighting types get whatever they want, ground types get rock and other shit.

>>27438045
>dark isnt broken
not in the higher tiers

drop below UU.
>sucker punch
>knock off

>>27439777
literally which gen are you talking about? the earliest steel gym is the 6th one i believe

>>27438754
Isn't that Sugimori with the Gengar fetish? I don't remember Masuda saying Gengar was his favorite.

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>>27439832
>~120 water Pokemon
>114 of them learn Ice Beam

>>27439826
>wanting water to lose half its weaknesses

ok

>>27439826
no its not, salt water is, but it's not the saltwater type; it's the water type

>>27439857
>implying weavile/bisharp doesn't spam knock off all da everyday in OU

>>27439950
you wouldnt say they're OP in OU though

wait til you get down to PU NU and maybe RU where the amount of reliable defensive dark resisting Pokemon become so miniscule and eviolite is important.

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>grass SE against water
>almost all water types learn ice beam or blizzard

>>27439969
Dark isn't OP in RU, not in a tier dominated by Virizion

>>27440277
There arent even that many dark types that low, not for nothing you have Sneasel everywhere in RU and Pawniard in PU
STAB Knock Off is that good

>>27439336
fighting

>grass has 5
I hate being a grassfag.

>>27437351
>Water isn't weak to Ice
Never really got that.

>>27440397
ice just kinda melts in water

>>27438754

That's Sugimori you idiot, and Gengar is second or third after Lucario.

Masuda's favorite Pokemon is Victini.

>>27438770
>erosion via sand
>don't take damage in sandstorms

>>27440521

Sandstorm is a Rock type weather condition, not Ground.

But the erosion argument is bullshit. A process that takes eons to do any damage is the fucking opposite of "super effective".

>>27439918
Yep, Masuda's favorite pokemon is Sylveon although it used to be Victini and before that Pichu.

>>27440366
Its fighting and flying at the same time

>>27440408
Though that's true, that would make Ice weak to Water, not make Ice not effective on Water.

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>>27438572
At that point you think that Fire and Grass coverage is all you need, until it dawns on you that Fire and Dragon types wall both those types and that there's no Hidden Power that covers both. Feels bad, man.

>>27437351
Water should be weak to poison desu

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>>27439927
>>27440009
This is my main gripe with the water type

>>27439442

And flying

Electric desists flyin

>>27438265
Great post lmao

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>>27437351

>types exist in a vacuum without moves, stats, abilities, item and team synergy and niches

>>27438002
YUH!

>>27439692
What are poison and powder moves?

>>27441971
kek

>>27442105
Piss poor status moves with low accuracy and distribution.

>>27438699
Earthquakes destroy rocks, concrete, mountains, etc

There needs to be a grass move having to do with capsaicin that inflicts burn and confusion simultaneously.

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>Ice has only one resistance
>it's Ice

Make water and ice the same type
Make rock and ground the same type

Add more interesting types

Needs nerfs tier:
>fairy
>water
>maybe electric

Needs buffs tier:
>rock
>grass
>ice
>poison

Everyone can agree with this right?

>>27442288
>poison
>needs buffs
No.

Also, Electric is balanced.

>>27438699
>>27438743
These two seem like madness to me. I'm sure theres a good reason for it but jeez

>>27439950

That's what happens when there isn't a better Dark STAB

You got Night Slash, but why bother just for crit

> Rock Pokemon are really defensive
> 5 weaknesses

Why

>>27437351
Water types are slowly dying.
>>27432328

>>27442740
They do that with grass and ice types as well. Then again grass is screwed since it doesn't have the greatest offensives moves.

>>27437351
And most of them can learn ice beam to fuck up grass types :^)

>>27439589
Gotta make sure all the psychic/fairys can't be stopped.

>>27442740
>Ice Pokemon's stats are mostly defensive
>4 weaknesses and only 1 resistance which is against itself
REEEEEEEEEEE

>>27442946
Not all. Only gardevoir.

>>27441951
Holy fuck this

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>So, Water's a pretty good type. Decent coverage, weak to uncommon types, nice movesets in general, very common type in general, average stats are excellent. But how can we make it better?
>I know just the way

>>27440852
underrated comment

>>27438265
Haha, I don't know!

>>27438641
>Electricity should be resisted by Flying

No. When you're already accepting that there are animals that can control electricity, there's no reason to not assume they can just redirect the electricity from the target back to themselves and complete the circuit.

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>>27438312
>ohmori is in charge after masuda retires
>he ends up being worse than masuda

>>27439870
Gen 3, 3rd gym's magneton is cancer if you started Treeko.

Can't think of any others off the top of my head tho

>>27444751
Yeah but you have access to fighting and ground at that point.

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>>27444649
Masuda was the one who fucked ORAS up with shitty decisions. If it weren't for him, I think Ohmori could have produced better games. Still cautiously optimistic.

>Fairy resists bug

literally unnecessary

>>27442240
Will never not never be not triggered by this bullshit

fuck GF and their "muhm uh muuhh dragons!"

>>27437351
Freeze dry?

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>>27439744
>Best move in the game bar none
Sure...

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>dad starts playing go
>complains how water isn't se on electric because it should short it out
>loses to a vaporeon with his jolteon
>see I told you water counters electricity

>>27437351
>create Sound-type
>make strong against Water since sound travels through water quickly

>>27438743
Grass should lose its Flying weakness. It makes the least sense of all of the weaknesses it has.

>fire burns plants
>bugs eat plants
>cold kills plants
>poison kills plants
>air does that thing where... I mean birds sometimes um... you know?

what is the reasoning for water being weak to grass? Cyкa

>>27443173
>Hot water has more chance to burn than fire

>Water gets hydro pump, waterfall,surf and scald
>Fire gets fire blast, flare blitz, flamethrower and a bunch of minor good moves(blaze kick, overheat, lava plume and pokemon exclusive moves)
>Grass gets powerwhip(shit distribution), energy grass(weak and bad side effect) and giga drain( even weaker, but useful side effect)
Why is this allowed? Even talking about status effects, no one learns spore and the others are subpar, while will-o-wisp and scald are everywhere. The only things that redeem grass types are leech seed and sythesis, that may be useful defensively.

>>27446470
Grass absorbes water and uses it to survive and grow. You ever water a lawn before? Water gets fucked after an hour or two.

>>27442288
>Bug doesn't need buffs

>>27446470
plants absorb water

>>27438641
Lol what a fucking idiot. Those lines don't instantly shock you. There has to be a break in the outer coating/the line itself. The reason they can do that is they only weigh less than a pound and their feet aren't touching any exposed wire.

>>27446420
I guess a lot of birds eat seeds?

>>27444751
You can catch Aron (learns Mud Slap), Geodude and Makuhita in Granite Cave.

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>>27446834
The outer coating is there to protect the wire. It does not insulate the electricity. The reason birds are not shocked is because they are not in contact with the ground. Electricity has to have a path to the ground.