Someone will unironically defend this.

>>27429517
cry me a river, OP

>>27429517
Its hot

Probably Littenfags with Stockholm Syndrome will defend it in their delusion.

And I'll be here, laughing.

>>27429517
Mmmm, is not too bad...
6/10

I wonder if Sugimori was told to design it specifically with Pokken Tournament 2 in mind

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>>27429542
and I'll be bringing popcorn for /vp/'s salt if this is real. Your point?

>WAAAAH WHY ISN'T IT JUST A JUST GETS BIGGER BORING JAGUAR WAAAAH
>MUH QUADRUPED FIRE STARTER

It's fine

>>27429517
>unironically
English moherfucker , do you speak it?

>>27429517
Is it confirmed?

>>27429517
This is a blue board, OP. I do not want my son seeing threads like this

But I do like it OP. I dont really think it will be real, but if it was I may consider choosing litten for my fire starter.

I get that people want a four legged starter because lord knows we are due for one, but if litten does end up standing on two legs, I wont let that be the only factor that I judged its design on.

>>27429575
Pretty much this

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I want my Poppmaid Gamefreak

If this is real I guess my decision between Popplio and Litten is made. I might even use Rowlet over Litten in my second playthrough. God damn it GF, why do you have to make every fire starter the exact same

>>27429517
That's like asking Valor and Mystic to play nice

If it's Fire/Dark, there's nothing wrong with it.

If it's Fire/Fighting, I will personally assassinate Game Freak executives until I find out who is responsible for that decision.

>>27429567
Yeah, fuck those people who don't want Litten to evolve into a poorly designed Thundercats OC

I'll defend it since if that's real then Arrowl is real and that's too awesome to pass up on.

>>27429910
>a poorly designed Thundercats OC
What is your point in this? That it's been done by other series? How many generic big cat quadruped beasts have been done by other series?

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>>27429517
I unironically like it and can see myself using it. If it's fake, no skin off my bones.

I like it so long as it's fire/dark and not fighting

>>27429517
very fucking lame design. it better not be another firefighter.

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>>27430052
I don't care about other series. My point is that it has a ridiculous design.
>oversized hands
>shooting fire from its belt
>ANOTHER biped Fire starter designed based on a fighting style

It's possible to design a cool, unique, quadrapedal fire cat without just making Litten bigger (pic related)

Just look at Torterra. They didn't need to turn Turtwig into a ninja turtle to give it a cool evolution.

>>27429567
>Quadruped is unoriginal
>6/6 fire starters are at least semi bipedal
>Already have three fire fightings, all starters
>Already have a fire dark

>>27430069
>>27430069
>>27430069

>>27430143

I seriously hope you're not unironically implying those designs aren't garbage. And those names are below Talonflame tier.

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>>27429517
>people actually think this shit is real

redditors and underages invaded this board

>>27430143
>I don't care about other series. My point is that it has a ridiculous design.
Then why use the "bad Thundercats OC" jab like being related to Thundercats is somehow an inherently bad thing
also the OP design is almost certainly more thoughtful than this one

>>27430164
I'm unironically implying it's not impossible to express creativity in ways other than just making a Pokemon stand up and learn a popular fighting style

>>27430143
>My point is that it has a ridiculous design
okay, let's hear this
>oversized hands
it's almost as if it was designed to be a brawler in mind
>shooting fire from its belt
this is ridiculous how? Typhlosion has a mane of fire, Blaziken has flames from its fist, Infernape has flaming hair, Emboar has a fiery beard. Even other types have their quirks, like Keldeo shooting water from its hooves.
>ANOTHER biped Fire starter
true but on its own merits, the design isn't so bad.

>>27430197
I said "bad Thundercats OC" because that is what it looks like to me. There was no deeper meaning.

>>27429517
Defend it? Jesus Christ no kill it with fire- oh wait it is fire...never mind just kill it with the realization that it's not real so it can forever fade into non-existance

>>27430206
What a ridiculous idea, everyone knows it has to be bipedal to be good.
No variety is allowed.

>>27430225
It doesn't even look like it belongs in thundercats. Thundercats are people with cat features. This is clearly a cartoon tiger standing upright.

>>27430254
It doesn't have to be bipedal to be good, but it doesn't have to be quadrupedal to be good either. If we painted in broad strokes like "stands up right and picks up a fighting style in a game involving fighting creatures" then a good number, maybe even the majority, of Pokemon are redundant. There's probably less difference between all the fish Pokemon than Tiger3 and, say, Emboar.

>>27430288
>There's probably less difference between all the fish Pokemon than Tiger3 and, say, Emboar.
Well said

>>27430147
>Already have a fire dark
Don't lie.

>>27430288
But we're not talking that broad. We're talking about Fire starters. Their designs are becoming redundant, and than cannot be denied.

>>27430303
Houndoom, you genwunner.
It even has a mega.

>>27430331
Is Houndoom a starter you mongrel?

>>27430331
Technically he's right. Houndoom is not fire/dark but dark/fire, but yeah.

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>>27430331
>talking about starters
>better bring up a non-starter!

>>27430324
There's two options as far as how a pokemon can be oriented. Upright or quadrupedal. But there's many, many, many, MANY more things that make the pokemon what is than "it stands upright and can fight". This doesn't look at all like any other fire starter except that it stands upright, and, well, I guess is red.

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>>27430331

But anon if he's a genwunner he would know who houndoom is.

Confirmed for both posters being underage.

>>27430381
It would just be nice to see GameFreak come out of their comfort zone and design a Fire starter that doesn't fit the unfortunately specific criteria of every Fire starter since Blaziken.

>>27430324
It's almost as if GF wants us to be able to relate more to starters by making them anthropomorphic

>>27430431
They're doing a horrible job of it, so much so that I now pick a different starter that you can find in an early route.

>>27430424
It isn't about "comfort zones". I'm 90% certain these designs aren't made because "u-uh... how do we make a cool four legged starter? oh shit oh god I cant think of a way just make it stand up!!!!" like you are making it sound. I'm pretty certain how it works is that they come up an idea they think is interesting and appealing, and design it, and it just happens to work best to them as bipedal.

>>27429517

>Implying it needs defending

I don't really see anything wrong with it desu. Not that I like it but it's kinda meh

>>27430384
B8

>>27430354
>>27430355
>>27430372
The point is that it brings nothing new and isn't inspiring.
Both speculated type combos have already been done
>Wrestler with belt
Machamp
>Anthropomorphic cat
Hah.
>Humanoid fire starter
Three of them

They could pick literally any other concept including "It literally gets bigger" and it would be more unique and creative
>Only full quadruped starter
>Only one with a predominantly black color scheme
>Won't get the same old fighting coverage 3/6 fire starters get

Try harder.

>>27429517
It's fake, so who cares

>>27429517
I like this design. I wish it turns out to be true.

>>27429517
It's okay. And I say this as someone who thinks the leaks are fake.

>>27430496
>and I say this as ___
Why do people think anyone cares? It doesn't make your opinion any more valid.

>>27430470
There has been no heel wrestler type character in Pokemon, much less a starter, and drawing ideas from something is kind of the definition of being "inspired" (in this context, the idea of the Tiger Mask wrestler). Having a fire belt made of fire is a cool idea. Having the stripes accent its body to give the impression and highlet its muscles is creative. The design of its face allows it to be very expressive, and using the stripes to look like eyebrows is also a creative use of them. You are way, way, way oversimplifying things.

>>27430384
To be fair, Gen 2 is usually given a pass by genwunners, since it was like a direct sequel to the original games.

>>27430431
That isn't a bad idea. But anthropomorphizing every Fire starter ever is not worth it.

>>27429517
This would kill the fire starter for me.

>>27430470
>Try harder

Do you think we're competing? Are you that bigoted and small minded?
All I'm saying is that it would be nice to see some diversity compared to the other fire starters in terms of it become quadrapedle. I don't care about its typing unless it goes down the route of fire/fighting.

>>27430522
>No wrestler type Pokemon
>Hawlucha

>>27430470
>Meganium
another quadruped with plants
>Torterra
another quadruped with plants
>Snivy
OMG another Treecko!!1!

>Mudkip
But we just had Wooper last gen! And their evos share typing, too!!
>Oshawott line
Didn't we have Buizel last generation? Same typing, as well

>literally all the birds
OH NO they all have wings!
>the bugs with pupal stages
so much creativity, GF!

We're in Gen 7. Some concepts are bound to recur. To counter, we have had Flareon, Entei and Pyroar as quadruped felinid fire types.

>>27430551
Even if you thought that was I what I said, the quote I posted literally had Machamp in it.

>>27430551
>HEEL wrestler

I am fine with the design, and I am fine if its Fire/Dark.

But so help me god if its another fucking Fire/Fighting type AGAIN...

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>>27429517
I am a poppliofag, but i like this.
If this is real, itll be my favourite fire starter, specially if its fire dark.
The idea of a wrestling tiger pokemon is pretty cool, 2bh.

I genuinely feel bad for firefags, they have gotten the most uninspired starters for years and it doesn't seem to ever end.

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>>27430224
>like Keldeo shooting water from its hooves.
>using this to justify another shitty design

>>27430605
I dunno, disregarding typing Blaziken and Emboar are pretty good designs.

I'd actually like to hear more people defend this design. I don't like it at all, but I'm curious to know why others do

>>27430645
>humanoid that barely resembles a chicken anymore
No thanks. I'll stick with other types.

>>27430567
>We've gotten no common fly pokémon
>Cutiefly
>COMMON fly

How many wrestlers do we need?
And why on earth would you even be open to it being another fire starter?

>>27430567
>implying anyone cares or knows the difference between different wrestling styles

I'll defend it only IF it's not Fire/Fighting

>>27429517
looks like a fucking He-man character

>>27430540
The less popular the fire starters are the better, maybe that will allow the grass and water starters to gain some popularity

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>>27429612

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>>27430620
I hate Keldeo as much as any guy but if you guys want variety, then why would you not want the fire belt?

Would you want all fire types to breathe fire like each other? Would you want all water types to just spit water?

it looks like a chinese knockoff of a pokemon which is probably exactly what it is yo

>>27430688
Don't compare it to any other series. There's an anon here that has issues with that.

>>27430679
Fighting type fans, do

>>27430698
a belt that shoots fire makes zero sense for a naturally occurring creature to ever have, even in pokemon

>>27430693
why would you care
can you only pick what's popular?
do you listen to pop music everyday and get mad because you wouldn't have to if it would be less popular?

>>27430777
It's a fucking monster

>>27430698
I think the prominent complaint is that all Fire type starters are bipedal. And ever since Gen 3 they've been maintaining this theme of anthropomorphism.

The belt isn't that bad, but it does seem awkward.

>>27430782
>wanting Fire types to be continuously the ideal choice

>>27430814
>giving a shit about poularity
why would it be the ideal choice anyway
and even if it is, why would that be the designs fault

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>>27430777
>a belt that shoots fire makes zero sense
>pokemon

Fire from the tail
Fire from the back
Fire from the wrists
Fire from the head
Fire from the shoulders
Fire from the ears
Fire from the waist

Changes every gen

>>27430541
>Bigoted and small minded
When infernape was announced, I welcomed it openly, because they were doing another take on the Fighting element.
I didn't mind at first, but it ended up playing like blaziken 2.0. same type of moves, same type of build.
When Emboar was announced as Fighting, I was disappointed but I still gave it a shot.
In game, my best to use it differently.
GameFreak was nice enough to give it wild charge and Scald, but it still played like a slower blaziken.
Now we're supposed to get this thing?
There is no way it won't play like every other one, regardless of if it becomes Dark. It will still get a ton of fighting moves and the only that separates it from Machamp and the likes is that this one will knee you in the groin.

>>27430558
Grass type starters have pokémon on two legs, four legs and no legs and all of them have different playstyles and movepools. No two are alike.
Same goes for water types.
All fire types are hyper offensive frail attackers with 3 of them being chicken, pig, and monkey reskins with a couple stats shuffled around.
Typhlosion even has the exact same base stats as Charizard.

The water and grass starters are all uniquely designed for battle and in aesthetics.
To say something like buizel and oshawott are even similar is balls on head retarded.

We already have a humanoid wrestler with a champion's belt. If this doesn't get the same or similar moves Machamp does, you'd be disappointed. It's just another reskin and saying, "this one's different because he's a meanie" is mind numbingly retarded.

>>27430855
did you read the second half of the sentence

>>27430872
>When infernape was announced, I welcomed it openly, because they were doing another take on the Fighting element.
>I didn't mind at first, but it ended up playing like blaziken 2.0. same type of moves, same type of build.
This is how I know you're bullshit. Infernape played nothing like Blaziken on release. In fact really they don't even play anything alike now, though I suppose you could make an Infernape set that's similar.

>>27430777
There are a laundry list of things that make less sense than this in Pokemon.

>>27430915
I think his main point was that it was another speedy, lightweight Fire/Fighter. Take it easy.

>>27430953
Blaziken isnt' speedy. It's a very common misconception and, again, an d easy way to tell when someone doesn't actually know what the fuck they're talking about. Blaziken wasn't fast until it got Speed Boost. 80 wasn't fast even as far back as gen 3, and it definitely wasn't even on the radar during gen IV or comparable to Infernape.

>>27430991
wtf i hate kung fu panda

>>27430982
For god's sake it doesn't matter. Designs and concepts are the main point of this discussion, not specific stats and movesets. Errors when describing stuff like that shouldn't mean that persons opinion should be treated like shit.

>there are people on this board
>who give a single shit about fake leaks
>who even get MAD over fake leaks
>who even get MAD over idiots believing the fake leaks

lmao

>>27431027
The criticism was literally that it played like "Blaziken 2.0".
>didn't mind at first, but it ended up playing like blaziken 2.0. same type of moves, same type of build.
Fuck off

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>>27430915
Oh yeah the fuck they do
They get the same types of moves even gaining both priority and multistrike move by level up.

Infernape gets better versions of them only due to generational power creep.

Even the TMs are the same.
Infernape gets U-turn and that's about it.

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>>27430991

Wrong character, hoss.

>>27431027
>GOSH GUYS SO I GOT THE WHOLE CRUX OF MY ARGUMENT WRONG IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER STOP PUTTING MY OPINION DOWN BECAUSE I GOT THE ONE DETAIL MY ARGUMENT WAS BASED ON WRONG

>>27430982
Blaziken is speedy enough, especially in Gen 3, to be the go to speedy fire type attacker in game, which is the whole point of a Starter's concept.

>>27431076
t. unovabortion

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If it wasn't a starter or if litten wasn't so based it'd be fine. Otherwise it's wasted potential

>>27431002
Why? It's a fun series, especially the second movie.

>>27431109
>Discussing only gen 3 and 4 starters
>He must have started with gen 5

>>27431105
It was not "speedy enough". It was not fast during gen 3, average at best, and it was DEFINITELY not fast in Gen 4 to be compared to Infernape, which is what the fucking post was doing.
>Liked Infernape when it was "first revealed"
>Played them
>Said they were same

>>27429587
Unironically is a word. It might not be proper, but it is a word.

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>>27429612
>people unironically want this to be the design

>>27430673
Look you dumb mother fucked. Heel means bad guy, Hawlucha is meant to be the good guy who fights with honor, a heel would fight with dirty tricks and no honor.

>>27431027
But moveset and battle style are part of design concept

>>27431002
Guess I'm a #cruzmissile now

But we're talking about using it in game.
So we clearly mean, RSE which when you use it in game, outspeeds most everything else. Lati@s wasn't in the game as an enemy and most things from previous generations of higher speed, like Rapidash weren't in the dex.
Also, it had a priority move for things that were faster.
If you want to bring up later gens, I'll cite gen 5 giving it speed boost, which tells you what it was mean to do all along.
Infernape is smack dab in the middle of vanilla and speed boost.

>>27431237
Oh right, I see what you're saying.
It's a wrestler... but now with angry eyes and sonic OC smirk on its face.
This thing will get the same wrestling moves every other wrestler gets, and Machamp gets dark and fire coverage already.

Not. Special.

>>27431160 (You)

>>27431158
is not a sentence,faggot.

>>27431371
>It's a wrestler... but now with angry eyes and sonic OC smirk on its face.
>This thing will get the same wrestling moves every other wrestler gets, and Machamp gets dark and fire coverage already.
>Not. Special.
>Machamp gets coverage
>It fills the same role even though the typing and moveset are different

Why do you even play Pokémon if you don't think a fire wrestler cat isn't cool?

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>>27429517
>Not wanting your Tekken main as a pokemon
kek

>>27431382
The clown look is much better you furfag. I wish you people would stop shitting up this board.

>>27431422
The clown was the definition of try hard

>>27431417
Because, obviously, Pokemon designs back in my day were grounded in realism and this shit is going too far, and also if it stands on two legs and fights it's a rip off of all the other pokemon that stands on two legs and fights so there isn't even creativity anymore.

>>27431403
So we also should get a water type wrestler, and a grass type wrestler, and a dragon type wrestler, etc because the typing is different and Machamp gets Fire Blast and Fire Punch instead of Overheat and Flare Blitz and doesn't share one or both of its types, even though the type combo's been done before and falls under generic Fighting type coverage.

>>27431461
Where are the Fire/Dark pokemon

>>27431570
HOUND
DOOM

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Is anyone gonna mention that Litten is shown to be the fastest of the 3 starters and learns fire fang? FIRE FANG??? Why the fuck would it know fire fang and use it as a wrestler??? Prove me wrong but I'm pretty sure Blaziken Emboar and Infernape weren't able to learn fire fang, fire punch was possible tho. Lucha Litten over here does not look like the fastest or the one that would use fire fang over fire punch, in that case why didn't GF show off Litten using fire punch in the trailer? BC IT'S NOT GOING TO EVOLVE INTO YOUR WRATH BEN 10 BULLSHIT

>>27431461
Yeah, sure, why not? Can we literally never get another pokemon with wrestling as a motif because Machamp existed? Can we not have any bird Pokemon? That's being unfairly limiting. This design is different from Hawlucha and Machamp.

>>27430143
that is an awful design and the names are even worse

>>27431589
>Blaziken Emboar and Infernape weren't able to learn fire fang,
Uhhh... they didn't learn fire fang because they weren't fucking tigers.

>>27431581
So houndoom has a design based on heel wrestlers and has a moveset based on the design?

>>27431589
it's a cheating wrestler, hence the dark secondary typing

>>27431595
When we have literally thousands, then it would be okay, but when you have half of your fire starters are based around a fighting theme. The concept isnt not okay. Not Fighting. Not dark. It's bullshit.

I mean, 700 pokémon and no clerical fire type. This is boxing yourself into a corner incarnate.

>>27431589
Wrestling has villains.

>>27431619
By that logic, you don't get your wrestler until I get my fire/dark dolphin because it hasn't been done yet.

>>27431636
Why does it matter if it happens when there's thousands or hundreds. First gen had 3 different purple blob Pokemon, 2 generic bird Pokemon, uncountable numbers of generic monster pokemon. This design is executed totally differently from Machamp and Hawlucha. There is no problem. It isn't uncreative, it isn't uninspired, just because other different kinds of wrestling themed pokemon exist. It CAN still be considered those things but not because others exist, but on its own merits.

>>27431636
>mean, 700 pokémon and no clerical fire type.
Lol wut

>>27431589
>has fucking fangs
>HEEL wrestler
Of course this guy would bite

>>27431657
That wasn't the argument being used but okay

>>27431611
In that case it still makes the most sense for Litten to evolve into a fucking tiger, not a a bipedal fighter. Game freak just doesn't show things off for no reason, everything in trailers can be used to be taken both literally and speculatively(don't know if that's a word but you get my point). Was it a hint towards litten evolving into a tiger? Was it just showing a move it can learn? Who knows, but again if Gamefreak is going to have Litten learn fire fang, what evo makes more sense to use it, a fucking fire tiger, or a wrestler that fights dirty and shoots fire out of its crotch?

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>>27431611
>Uhhh... they didn't learn fire fang because they weren't fucking tigers.
Only tigers can bite people.

>>27431697
Why would turning into a tiger that's bipedal suddenly make it unable to use fire fang. What kind of logic is that.

>>27431706
Nice meme and fallacy but the "they" in context were the other fire starters listed, which are not animals that would necessarily learn fire fang, whereas a tiger/cat fire starter pokemon would learn fire fang.

>>27431697
The dirty wrestler still makes sense, biting is a heel tactic
>>27431706
Why would a chicken use fang moves?

>>27431715
Didn't say becoming bipedal makes in able to learn fire fang, I'm saying how fire fang doesn't fit it's concept. You can't argue the fact that it makes more sense for a fire Tiger to use fire fang versus a Fire Dark wrestler who seems to be based on dirty combat. Fire punch? Yes. Fire fang? Maybe but it's a bit of a stretch just like everything regarding these leaks

>>27430470
by that logic there's no way that rowlet can be real because we already have several grass/flying pokemon already!

do you even listen to yourself?

>>27431743
I understand Blaziken not learning fang moves cause it's got a beak, but does it seem that far fetched for a monkey to but someone or even a pig?

>>27431768
Fire fang does fit its concept. It's a fucking tiger.

>>27431770
The point he's making isn't rhe types, it's the types and concepts. Gens 3-5 were all bipedal fire fighting type starters that were based on, well, fighting. Even if this leak is fire dark it still doesn't change the fact that it's basically the same thing

>>27430991
Kek'd

>>27431672
>He brought up first gen as a standard for diversity
Machamp and Hawlucha are completely different.
Hawlucha emphasizes aerial combat.
Machamp and this are almost the exact same, even showing some of the same wrestling techniques.

And if you're telling me that designs should not be spaced out for diversity's sake, then no further questions.

>>27431673
There are literally no fire type support pokemon. Fire is a heavily focused on type, but the closest we've gotten is torkoal and delfox whose best support role is to put up screens or yawn something to sleep.

>>27431770
We've gotten tropius, a flying dinosaur, and Jumpluff, a cotton ball.
Adding an owl doesn't go against that diversity.
However, if it ends up having the same role and moveset as Noctowl, it will literally be a Grass-type Noctowl.
Same here.

>>27431815
But it isn't "basically the same thing". Being bipedal and being able to fight doesn't make it "basically the same thing". That makes many Pokemon "basically the same thing".

>>27431768
Fire fang does fit the concept, it's a dirty fighter

>>27431421
please stop

>>27431834
I didn't say they "should" be "spaced out for diversity", what I AM saying is that there "shouldn't" be any arbitrary limits that dictate what ideas they can and can't implement. If they come with an idea they think is creative and cool, they should do it, not go "oh shit we made 5 other bipedal fire starters, I guess we can't use this idea we think is really sweet!", that is extremely stupid. Machamp and this are not almost the same thing in any way except the broad brush strokes of "bipedal and wrestling themed". This one emphasizes dirty tactics like using weapons in the ring, spitting, etc. That's as different from Machamp as Hawlucha is from Machamp.

>>27431837
Being a Fire/Fighting type starter almost inherently means you will get the same moves and a similar stat spread.
All three are mixed attackers with similar movepools, Emboar being the most different but worst executed of the three.
They are all literally fire/fighting mixed attackers for three gens straight.

>>27431791
No, it's based on a tiger it's not actually a tiger you moron. Fire crotch over here isn't on all fours. You see in real life there are these animals called tigers and their main forms of combat are using their mouths and sometimes Claws to attack their prey. Why would a wrestler need to bite when it could more easily use a move with its hands, like fire punch? For the billionth time, it makes more more sense for an actual fire tiger to use fire fang over a tiger like bipedal wrestler. It's common sense

>>27431892
Infernape was more different from Blaziken than Emboar was, and even post Speed Boost Infernape still plays totally differently with a wide variety of available movesets that allow it to play many roles, including ACTUALLY being mixed as well as playing support, whereas Emboar and Blaziken have the capability of being mixed but are almost always purely physical.

>>27431845
ok but does it make more sense for a wrestler to use fire fang over an actual tiger who's main form of combat in the real world is using its fangs? No I didn't think so

>>27431899
>No it's basedo na tiger it's not actually a tiger you moron
If it were quadrupedal it still wouldn't literally be a tiger if you want to be a pedantic asshole. Blaziken can still learn Peck because it learned it as Torchic. This is pretty much the exact same issue.

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>>27431899
>Why would a wrestler need to bite when it could more easily use a move with its hands, like fire punch? For the billionth time, it makes more more sense for an actual fire tiger to use fire fang over a tiger like bipedal wrestler. It's common sense
You dumb mother fucker

>>27431929
But it's still a tiger, how do you even make it through the day

>>27431929
It isn't a wrestler. It's based on a wrestler.

>>27431880
Then like I said, I have no further questions.
If you come up with 20 amazing dragon designs and have space for only 100 new Pokémon, you better be smart enough to wait on most of them.
Because, no matter how different they are, if they are presented in the same environment, they will loose their sense of originality.
That's why people don't like the fact Gen 1 had 25% poison types and only one Ghost and Dragon.

>>27431921
That's a bold-faced lie >>27431076

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>it's a heel wrestler and biting is common in that style of combat

>THEN WHY DOES IT LEARN FIRE FANG AND NOT FIRE PUBCH IF ITS A WRESTLER

>>27431968
No it isn't. How does comparing their movepools prove anything? Do you know what their stats and movesets look like?

>>27431968
This logic makes no sense. They should use a design they think is good for a fire starter because people didn't like that there were too many poison-types in gen 1 and not enough other pokemon types? How the fuck are those two things related?

>>27431968
>>>27431921
>That's a bold-faced lie >>27431076
>Mach Punch vs Double Kick
>Priority move vs multi hut
>Fury Swipes vs Peck
>Flame Wheel vs Blaze Kick
>Speed booster vs Signature Move
>Close Combat vs Sky Upper Cut
>Powerful stat draining move vs Generic strong move
>Flare Blitz vs Nothing

Yeah sure are the same

>>27429567
>wanting Tony the Tiger with a fire cock

I feel uneasy looking at that shit, its furbait like Keldeo id ponybait

>>27431941
That's because Torchic is based on a chicken. Litten is based on a cat and it will most likely evolve into a tiger. But of course with that logic you'll say, "Oh ok so if it doesn't make sense for Lucha Litten to learn fire fang Litten will learn it at level up and Lucha Litten will still be able to use that move!" Ok I'm now aware that Wrestlers bite and it can be considered as dirty. My main point these leaks are fucking fake, and even if they have some credibility, I'm not arguing that Litten learning fire fang is proof against your beloved leaks, I'm just explaining how regardless on fake or real it makes more sense for a fucking fire tiger to use fire fang then a dirty fire dark wrestler. I don't care if I'm ignorant in what wrestling involves, I don't watch wrestling and neither do a lot of people. But when someone thinks of a tiger or a lion, animals which every single person on this planet should be able to recognize, they associate them with using their claws and fangs while hunting prey. It's common sense and this is a conclusion drawn from actual game footage. The only things these fake ass leaks are able to be linked to are all the information on the website and trailer regarding the May 10th starters reveal. Which yes can be used to make fake concepts wow what a shocker, now be a good boy/girl and wait for the official reveals of the starter evolutions

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>>27429517
>he doesnt like the bara cat

>>27430143
just ignore all the fags. probably underaged ledditors and shit.

The leaks are obviously fake and that design you posted is badass.

>>27432122
It doesn't have a fire cock. It has a belt made of fire.

>>27431962
It has hands, it's going to use them more than its mouth now, after all its a "wrestler" enough of that biting shit. How do you make it through the day believing this shit

>>27432133
>I'm just explaining how regardless on fake or real it makes more sense for a fucking fire tiger to use fire fang then a dirty fire dark wrestler
IT'S STILL A FUCKING TIGER YOU DUMB MOTHER FUCKER

>>27432122
All Pokemon based off animals are furbait

>>27432191
>It has hands, it's going to use them more than its mouth now, after all its a "wrestler" enough of that biting shit.
How are you not getting this?
It's a dirty fighter, so it's going to use underhanded tactics, biting is a popular one. It becoming a wrestler does not negate it's tiger status.

>>27432193
You're the mother fucker here, use your god damn brain. If a tiger in the real world suddenly became bipedal with muscles and hands, it would probably use them more over its fangs. And for the last fucking time, it makes more sense for a fire TIGER to use a fang attack, versus a bipedal version of a TIGER WRESTLER who now has hands to traditionally fight like a wrestler does. Doesn't matter if it's a dirty fighter or if wrestlers actually bite in the real world or not. I didn't even know wrestlers used their teeth until today, do you think most 7 years Olds today will know that? And no I'm not 7, I'm a 90's baby. Regardless these leaks are of course still FAKE and stop making threads about these unofficial shit concepts and wait for the real evolutions, or use already existing information on sun and moon to predict their evolutions like some logical people have been doing

>>27432111
They should save it for a time where is appropriate.
Again, imagine if they had several designs for fire starters that were all based on dragons.
>"We already have charizard"
>"But this one has a dark typing"
>"But this one is an Eastern dragon"
>"But this one is a humanoid dragon"
The problem is evident when fans see the pattern.
They'll expect yet another and another, and no matter if the design is so orgasmic that FurAffinity blows up after every game release, it's still a shitty thing to do, especially if the share the same fucking type.

>>27432079
They are all fire fighting mixed attackers.
Look it up for yourself.

>>27432112
Try Mach punch for Quick Attack, Double Kick for Fury Swipes, and Flame Wheel for Blaze Kick.
Try the fact that Infernape get Calm Mind and U-Turn plus a copy paste of Blaziken's TM learnset.
Add the fact that Gen IV had a power climb from III and you have a copy paste.

>>27432347

See >>27432245

Litten is trash so it's not like this is a disappointment or anything.

>>27430777
Yeah you're right, Pokemon with cannons on their shoulders are much more realistic

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>>27432245
no I get it, wrestlers apparently bite and Lucha Litten is a dirty Wrestler so hahaha makes sense these are definitely real! None of you seem to get what I'm saying, but I guess I'm the idiot for arguing with a bunch of fags who believe these leaks. Tired of this thread, I'll see most of you in the "why weren't Poppmaid and friends real" threads

>>27432374
What makes this time not "appropriate"?Gamefreak isn't thinking in totally backwards ways that don't actually matter like whether the pokemon is bipedal or not, they're thinking in how interesting or cool they think the design is. There is no "pattern" of fire starters being bipedal, it just so happens that the ideas they came up with ended up having designs that are bipedal. There is nothing more to it. besides that, the dragon example also does not make sense or work and is appropriate as the type one. There's no other tiger starter, and there's no other wrestler themed starter. There are other starters that using fighting styles but they aren't the same thing or even necessarily derived from each other. Emboar isn't even BASED on a fighting style or anything, it just 'is" fighting-type for some reason. Infernape is based on a character archetype that is associated with fighting, and Blaziken is I guess supposed to be kick boxing or something but even there I don't think it's necessarily explicitly based on a certain kind of fighting.

>>27432441
>What makes this time not appropriate?
4/7 fire starters would be humanoid and either be Fighting-type or have mostly Fighting moves.
Their would be no quadruped fire starter in 7 generations.
Only 2-3 other subtypes would have been explored.
I didn't even read the rest. Doesn't even matter.

>>27432512
Why does it MATTER that they're humanoid? Is it more creative to make a tiger stand on all fours? We don't even know what this one learns yet, and even if it did learn a lot of fighting-type moves, why is that the metric by which the similarity to another pokemon is measured and not how it actually plays? Being quadrupedal isn't inherently better at all, and niether is being bipedal. They shouldn't be concerned AT ALL with whether their designs are one or the other, as they have clearly shown they aren't, because it doesn't matter, what matters is the idea. If the defining trait of every fire-type starter had been "it's just that animal standing upright" then it'd be an argument but it isn't. Don't even know what you mean by "subtypes".

>>27429517
Looks like something taken straight from those late 80s action mascots.

>>27432417
I'm not those guys, but whether or not these leaks are fake, your argument is shit.

You're basically saying that these leaks cannot be true because litten learns fire fang, even though it disproves nothing because it would still fit the concept of a tiger heel wrestler.

If its real I'm naming mine Pyroresu

>>27432599
Mine will be called King

>>27432555
So you're literally saying that a fire starter that shares the same type as three other fire starters, that just so happens to stand on his hind legs when an ordinary tiger doesn't is more creative than a tiger that stands on four legs and share some completely different new trait never seen before in any Pokemon at all.

Cancer.

>>27432624
We don't what type it shared between 3 other fire starters besides Fire-type, which is a given for a fire-type starter, and yes, I 100% cna say with full confidence that this design, given no other information about what a quadrupedal version of it is other than just being quadrupedal, is more creative.
>Cancer
Nice rebuttal, argument refuted, I lost, and going to kill myself

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>>27432441

>>27432624
No he's saying that you have no reason to believe that just because a pokemon is on two or four legs it can't be creative or show traits never seen before on a pokemon. Which is true.

>>27432347
>. If a tiger in the real world suddenly became bipedal with muscles and hands, it would probably use them more over its fangs.
lmao, assuming you're serious here, yes it would still use its fangs since they'd still be the most developed part of its body

>>27432347
>And for the last fucking time, it makes more sense for a fire TIGER to use a fang attack, versus a bipedal version of a TIGER WRESTLER who now has hands to traditionally fight like a wrestler does.
It's still a tiger, and no it wouldn't fight like a traditional wrestler because it'd be using dirty tactics which supports its use of biting moves
>>27432347
>I didn't even know wrestlers used their teeth until today, do you think most 7 years Olds today will know that?
Anon, if Pokemon were made based off your ignorance, there would be no pokemon
>>27432347
>Regardless these leaks are of course still FAKE and stop making threads about these unofficial shit concepts and wait for the real evolutions, or use already existing information on sun and moon to predict their evolutions like some logical people have been doing
If they're fake, then why are you throwing an autistic fit over it, just ignore the thread and move on
>>27432374
>Try Mach punch for Quick Attack, Double Kick for Fury Swipes, and Flame Wheel for Blaze Kick.
>Try the fact that Infernape get Calm Mind and U-Turn plus a copy paste of Blaziken's TM learnset.
>Add the fact that Gen IV had a power climb from III and you have a copy paste.
Except those moves show off the difference in concept and design. Mach Punch shows Infernape's main fighting style is his punches and that he's fast, fury swipes because he's a monkey, flame wheel to illustrate how he moves. Blaziken's show off his leg strength and that his primary fighting style is kick based.

>>27432576
Scroll up that's not what I meant. I specifically said that I'm not saying that these are fake bc litten can learn fire fang. They're fake for many other reasons but I was saying how based on information we already know on Litten including it being fast and learning fire fang makes the most sense for it to evolve into a quadrupedal tiger. Every point I made seems to have escaped everyone else as they conviently took small parts on what I said and centered their arguments around them. My true points were lost in a bunch of shit where team real peeps continued to grasp straws on their beloved fake starter evos. Leaving this thread now, tired of arguing logically with people who don't seem to understand

>>27432744
>They're fake for many other reasons but I was saying how based on information we already know on Litten including it being fast and learning fire fang makes the most sense for it to evolve into a quadrupedal tiger
Based on that logic, Torchic learning peck means it should have become a standard
>tired of arguing logically with people who don't seem to understand
You wouldn't know logic if it fucked you in the ass

>>27432709
Honestly, it's not even about being "never before seen". "Creativity" isn't about doing something never done before really.

>>27429517
Is this the new roothoot?

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>Not wanting litten to evolve into something like pic related.

I feel ill knowing there are people out there with this much shit taste.

>>27432938
Literally my mom's Shere Khan

>>27432938
It's pretty boring looking

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>>27432974
no more so than typhlosion.

>>27432938
I would rather have >>27430143 but I understand what you are saying. ANYTHING but another boring fire/fighting clone please.

It is just too bad that GF will never care.

>>27429517
I don't think that it's poorly designed; I just think that it's really ugly, and not in a "it's meant to be ugly" kind of way either. -1/10

>>27433007
As a Typhlosion fan, I have to agree.

>>27433007
Typhlosion is boring too

>>27430864
>Fire from the ears
That's fur, anon. Delphox doesn't have any flames on their body.

>>27429517
I honestly think that's a bad design, and I like Electrode. Ffs Gamefreak.

>>27433137
What's bad about it?

I love Pro Wrestling, i love Cats. Its not fighting type but dark.
This starter is literally perfect for me.

>>27430872
>We already have a humanoid wrestler with a champion's belt
Who said Luchalitten's belt was for champions?

>>27431371
>>27431461
>>27431636
We have 4 bear lines and maybe arguably 6 counting Spinda and Snorlax and their only difference is that they were based on different species. Somehow having pokemon from different kinds of wrestling isnt okay??

>>27431417
>>27431421
+1

>>27429517
It looks like shit and it ruins litten. Pls be fake

>>27431422
>not denying being a furfag
It's pretty obvious why most people want that shitty waifubait design.

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>>27431422
>I'll call him a furfag for no reason! That'll show him!

>>27434237

And it's pretty obvious you're an idiot.

>>27432417
The discussion of a heel wrestler using its fangs is not reliant on the art at hand being real or otherwise

>>27433007
Typhlosion IS boring and I don't want a starter this bland

>>27431422

Buttdevastated Balliofag detected.

>>27434254
There is a reason. Anyone who supports the shitty girly design is obviously a furfag.

>>27434386
You wait, the ballio design will be proven to be the legit one.

>>27434422
I'm pretty sure Ballio was already proven fake.

>>27434237
Well the only reason anyone would want Ballio is because they're a blubber fucker

>>27434422
>Anyone who supports the shitty girly design is obviously a furfag.

Nice meme. Here (You) go.

>>27429517
3rd generation in a row where I wont be picking a fire type again.

>>27435417
Good for you

>>27429612
Even if she's not real I'm still gonna masturbate to her like crazy.

>best hoaxmon

>>27430143
I don't see why people are hating this design so much. It's really not that bad. The names could be better though

>>27429612
Its not a bad evolution. But it doesn't fit to popplio.
At least that how I see it, I don't even expect the clown thing, I just want to see the final evo and everybody's tears, rich in salt.

>>27436632
I really hate the mane it has. Why does it even have a mane.

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>>27429517
I've actually learned to like him thanks to pic related

>>27431589
Litten is a cat... I don't understand why you are so confused by Litten, a quadrupedal cat, learning fire fang and not fire punch. Like, evolutions usually have slightly differing learned moves.

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>>27431083
Let's not forget his cousin

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Reading this thread as a newcomer to this shit section, I'm really wondering if the majority of /vp/ is actually, genuinely mentally ill?

Feverishly defending humanoid pokemon, shamelessly plugging your furry fetish everywhere you go, and just being a general stain on the human race.

Your parents must feel like killing themselves for raising complete failures.

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>>27429517
>tfw it will never be this

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>Good Idea
Strong Style Pokemon.

>Bad Idea
Those fucking paws. Seriously, what were they thinking. So goofy it brings the entire design down with it.

>>27437906
>wanting MORE fucking girly pokemon so you can get your kicks

Just fucking stop holy shit, next thing you will try and make rowlet girly

>>27437163 (You)

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>>27438012
>>27437163

>>27429517
What us there to defend?it looks cool

>>27431422
>on /vp/
>pokemon
>furries
You're no better than him.

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I already posted this image on another thread but that thread ended up disappearing. I post it here because I think it's relevant.

Now, while this particular Litten wrestler leak may be fake, we should consider the idea that GameFreak will give us another bipedal starter.

Most fakemon designs depict Litten as evolving into a quadrupedal big cat, and while some of these designs are very nice, I feel they may be too predictable or obvious (considering how often GameFreak likes to pull the rug from under us).

This design however, is radically different from what everyone else is drawing. While it may not be real, it's certainly made us think about what direction Litten's evolutions could go in.

Personally, I like the design and I understand that not everyone is a fan of it. That's ok. There are plenty of other designs I personally don't like but it's all good. I just think this one in particular is refreshingly different and clever. It's a fun design, at least to me.

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>>27438927

>>27438970
Like clockwork

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>>27438970

>>27438989
Like garbage

>>27429542
Absolutely not.
I was a fennekinfag and jumped ship when I saw Delphox. As a Littenfag, I'll jump ship if this abomination is real.
I switched to Greninja last time, this time I'd probably switch to the Grass one, despite Rowlet itself being my least liked.

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you guys gonna watch Tiger Mask W?

I will stay with Litten and forever laugh at /vp/'s salt if this is real

>>27429517
New bara husbando

>>27429517
Minus the hands it's not that bad.

Honestly this doesnt bother me anymore. Personally it looks nicer than rowlets, or popplio's evos

>>27429517
rowletfag here

I like it. It looks like a gay baby of Tiny Tiger and Koala Kong.

>>27429517
The paws look dumb, but it's the better design of the three. I'll be glad when they're proven fake, though. I'm so tired of seeing them.

>>27443724

please stay delusional.

no es fake

>>27430384
>houndoom
>gen 1
Most genwunners dropped the game mid gen 2 and don't know what was in it because of the poor distribution.

>>27429517
wait what. is this confirmed?

>>27443941
Totally.

>>27443947
(you)