3D models were a mistake and they should go back to using sprites

BW2 were the last sprite-based games.
A fitting end, I'd say.
The end of an era.

>>27425925

I just wish the moving sprites had more games. They were really cool and dynamic, then they just threw them away. And some mons look ugg in 3d (muh shiny Weavile)

Oh my f*cking god. This is the exact problem with Pokemon fanbase. Every time Gamefreak tries to progress themselves all you ret*rds do is yell NO I DON'T LIKE THIS, GO BACK TO HOW IT WAS BEFORE!!! :'''[

You dumba**es are the exact reason Gamefreak can't let go of older generations and let the new ones be their own thing and you are the exact reason Pokemon has stagnated.

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Look at this shit!!

>>27425978
>image is clearly warped
You're fucking stupid.

>>27425972
>using asterisks to censor your own swear words
>'I-I don't like change'
>on /vp/

>>27425972
I hope it's a bait.

>>27425972
>censoring swear words
>censoring retard

Should probably read over the rules before you post anon

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>>27425972

you're wrong, sprites are better.

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>>27425925
Sprite were a mistake and they should stay with 3D models

3D modeling is more work, but the effort is more convenient in the long run.

The problem with sprites is that making one is simple but creating a set of animations for each one is where shit gets unbearable.

>>27425925
I think I miss the old color palettes the most, honestly.

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>>27425972
>ret*rds
Wew anon, take it easy

We can all have our own opinions so how about you take a breather

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Pokemon looks better with sprites, but I guess we wouldn't be able to do shit like Amie without models, so I can deal with it.

Models in every other turn based RPG is a terrible idea though, FE looks like shit for example. I'm glad Disgaea went from regular pixel sprites to turning every sprite into a tiny illustration.

>>27426648
>Anon on /vp/ spells "palette" correctly
Color me impressed.

>>27427091
Colour*

>>27425972
My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 28, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.

>>27426842
bought a friend that one for his birthday. he plays with all the animations on. its hell to watch him play

>>27425972
Man it's only 10am and I can already tell that this is the most retarded post I'll see all day. Feel accomplished man, I browse /mu/

Models are better

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>>27425925

>>27425968
>They were really cool and dynamic
Uh... they were very, very bad, and it was a very weak way to do animated sprites with the rigging and manipulating the base. I guess it's an opinion thing but I refuse to believe anyone woudl consider them "cool" or "dynamic". In effect it was basically the same thing as what XY did, only because they were sprites the method of animating used looks extremely cheap, and it works much better with 3D models. I guess it'd be fine if they could do real 2D animation like >>27426842 that's asking for a hell of a lot. Models are just better logistically for that.

The only flaw with the models are the colors.
Yes, I know they are made to look like Sugimori art, but fuck, some of them are TOO pale.

>>27425925
Just no

>>27429847
Also flying models, I mean in Amie they look fine, but WHY

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>>27425972
>Censoring swear words
>On 4chan

>>27427185
Faggot

>>27429864
What's wrong with flying models?

>>27430865
Not that anon, but some models in particular (mostly the gliding ones) look really stiff in battle which causes them to look like they are just hovering stupidly.

>>27426497
>not liking Feralgatr's glutes

>>27425978

He looks fucking better in 3D Fag

>>27425972
This is nostalgia in general

for any game series

They will never be satisfied

We had 8 boring rehashes of Mario Party, but have a game do something different and all hell breaks lose

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no

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How did we go from this

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>>27425978

That looks exactly like his gen 5 sprites though

>>27425925
Sprites were better but I understand the change to 3D. I would've wanted well animated sprites like in Persona Arena tho.

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>>27431340
to this

>>27425925
People who like sprites better only do so because static images made it easier to project their own personal expectations and headcanons onto a Pokemon. Prove me wrong.

>>27425925
I agree. Sprites had an spirit to them and some models have errors. Plus I don't like the washed out colors even if they're supposed to be closer to the official artwork.
But on the other hand we wouldn't have things like amie without the models and I have hopes this kinds of things get more exploited in the future, like more dynamic battles with better animations.
I'll still miss sprites tho.

>>27431392
i want to fuck Demi Lovato so much
look at those juicy lips

>>27431340
Please don't remind me how badly 3D went for Blastoise.

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>>27431340

TO THIS!?

HG/SS was the pinnacle

Everything looked poised to kill you

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>>27431413

That's pretty much it, yeah

>People were butthurt over Typhlosion not having its flames out when that's actually how it's always been intended to be, and always has been in the 3D games and anime

Typhlosion does look better with the flames out, but they did always intend for the flames to only come out when it attacks.

On the other hand, we get to see Samurott actually use its swords now.

>>27431453
She's got more forehead than Vegeta

>>27425925
No. The models look fine in the game already; most autists on this site are just used to seeing the tiny showdown models where the stylistic outline gets in the way of the actual details and they just loop the boring idle animation.

Models have actual animations and everything in the real game, the only things wrong with them are the outline (because it gets in the way at a distance), and the dumb floating models (Xatu, Skarmory, Tropius).

Honestly, some models would look a lot better if the colors weren't washed out to mimic the artwork.

I prefer pixel art, but that's just my opinion.

Also, drawn animation > CGI

>>27431623
This. Anybody who disagrees doesn't even believe their own opinion, they just want to fit in.

>>27425925
>another old fag thread
kys plz

>>27425978

I never liked how stiff and robotic Feraligatr's arms looked

>>27431425
Yeah and no sprite ever had a color, proportion, feature, perspectice, or other error ever in Pokemon.

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The real question here is would you be willing to live with sprites forever if it meant they would keep making pokemon stadium games?

Keep in mind if you say no, you're a faggot.

>>27431660
I want to fuck Rihanna too, ain't nothing wrong with a big forehead bitch

>>27431222
If anything, the sprites don't give them justice

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>>27425972
you must be lost

>>27425972
you must be 18 to post here

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>>27429835

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>>27431623
If we're gonna have 3D, the least they can do is actually do the effects properly. Fuck pic related, and fuck Magmortar's wiggly "flames" and all the stuff like it.

>>27425925
I honestly felt this way all the way through X and Y. But playing ORAS I got used to it and now I can't go back. I missed those sweet sprites for a long time though. Good thing I still haven't played BW2 so one day I'll go back again.

>>27425972
>>27425972
>>27425972
THIS
THIS

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>>27426497

>>27430865
>Swellow flying at 70 mph while stationary

>>27426842
>went from regular pixel sprites to turning every sprite into a tiny illustration.
Pixel based sprites were a side effect of extremely low resolution. They were always "tiny illustrations".

Models are fine, but they need to fix some things.

1. Get more vibrant colours. I know it's supposed to look more like the art but the washed out models look like shit.

2. Fix the flying models. How hard can it be to make standing/flapping models instead of the retarded gliding models? Salamence, Swellow and Xatu looks like utter shit.

3. More of an optional one, but give each pokemon several different animations that they'll do when idle. Gives so much life to the battles.

>>27439219
I could not agree more anon.

Also what I don't get is that, they aren't flying in amie

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>>27439219
I agree with everything you said.

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>take designs that were never MEANT to be 3D modeled
>all the things you get away with in 2D seize to work
>you can't change the designs

You can guess what that means for new pokemon.
There's a reason many people grow weary of newer designs,
it's not just people "stuck in the past".

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>>27439219

They already have flapping idle animations. They chose gliding because it gives some variety.

>>27439219
>2.
Cure for autism when

>>27439219
This

>>27441994
>>27439219
not the same guy, but
>pokemon flying/gliding perpetually, especially birds
that's a load of bullshit and can break immersion

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>>27442107
Immersion was already broken when you started playing the game.

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>>27442134
>that image
well it is still a turnbased RPG, and there are intrinsic limitations to that one can and must reasonably expect. Idle animations lazily replacing still frame sprites is not.

>>27442198
>7 pokemon out of 90+ pokemon gliding in place(supposed to glide in the air during flight) are bad
>but pokemon remaining immobile when a giant whale squishes them is alright

>>27442304
I think you forgot what we were talking about. I said that flying in place all the time without landing is just as bad, which covers many, many flying types.
>>but pokemon remaining immobile when a giant whale squishes them is alright
Also like I said there are intrinsic and extrinsic flaws. That is an intrinsic problem and thus pointless to criticize. Isn't the fundamental difference between those two criticisms obvious at first glance?

>>27425972
he's right
enough fucking remakes

>Anything models can do sprites can do better
>Easier to make than models and less demanding for the system
>Nintendo and GF's push for 3D on a wimpy handheld ruined what couldve been the best looking generation yet
>Modelfags will DEFEND THIS

>>27427185
kek

>>27425925
Cars were a mistake, we should go back to using horse and buggy

>>27431623
...So uhh how does that long shell sword fit in that pocket?

>>27431258
Anything past Mario Party 6 is trash. Don't you deny it.

>>27442816
>Anything models can do sprites can do better
Yeah sure. Not GF's though.

>>27434080
I didn't say that, you fag.
But anyway after so many gens we finally reach a point where only a few exceptions had errors or inaccuracies, only to go back to point zero again.

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I miss it too anon, especially the weird/expressive/funny/more alive ones from early on, (pic related) but models are here to stay.

>people complaining about 3D models when they practically look exactly like they did in the stadium, colosseum and battle revolution games

You've had all this time to complain yet I bet most of you were totally ok with how the Pokémon looked in those games.

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>>27444033
I think there's something goofy that every anon can enjoy

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>>27444068
eat a dick, they looked like shit for the most part.
it's a much bigger deal when a main game (read: a game that actually will matter to the future of pokemon) is involved.

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I miss making these

>>27444180
And what, you thought they were gonna deviate by a ton compared to those older models once the main games went 3D, which was inevitable? It's not like the Pokémon can look much more different in 3D than what they do now without going completely off model.

>>27444199
I still have a few of these lying around on my PC

>>27444284
nope. Making pokemon 3D is a bad idea, period. You can't cheat the way you can in 2D. I don't know if it was inevitable.

>>27431392
i-is that a man

>>27439219
This
They're going in the right direction judging from the screenshots from Sun/Moon

>>27439091
That effect is part of Typhlosion's design though. If you have a problem with it or Magmortar's flames, then you should have realized that both of them had shit designs ages ago.

>>27445412
not the same guy but
>thinking that effects that work in 2D automatically must work the exact same was in 3
you can't be serious. In 2D things like Typhlosion's flames work because they provide the illusion of something dynamic. This falls apart in 3D. Do you have any idea how hard it is to translate something as seemingly trivial as mickey mouse ears to 3D? How many years it took them to get it even remotely right?

Models aren't bad

It's just that most of them have a terrible color palette