/pmdg/ - Pokémon Mystery Dungeon General

these threads are comfy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0ffscqm2oM
where's the remastered Farther Away or Don't Ever forget? they seem to be missing...

>>27405156
Didn't he stop for a while?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yqjbe2kTNlQ

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>>27405732
The ends of the PMD specials said "To Be Continued"...

>>27406095
Sales declined pretty harshly. Thankfully the games are still getting about 2 million sales which is more than enough for a sequel or twelve.

Pleeeease don't make us wait 8 years for a proper sequel this time.

Why were the plots of Explorers so good? The plot twists were fucking crazy but so good. Dusknoir's betrayal came out of nowhere but it made so much sense.

>>27406383
Because the story in RT had an overwhelmingly positive reception, the devs receiving letters from fans on how inspiring it was. It was something they chose to focus on.

>>27406412
I'm glad they did. The characters were great at influencing the player, so much so I despised Grovyle, just at the wanted poster scene with him. I'm replaying it now after YEARS and am excited to finally get around to those bonus missions.

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>>27406383
Probably because we didn't see it coming. In RT we already knew Gengar was villainous, and we were lead to believe Grovyle was too since it was established early on. Same thing for Hydreigon.

I think what's sad now is that any future villain will most likely be found out early on if they have any characteristic of being overly friendly, spoiling the surprise.

How would this be avoided though?

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>>27406383
>intro to Sky spoils everything
Also call me crazy, but is it weird that after replaying it I was reminded of a less shitty version of FE Awakening?

>>27406484
An overly friendly character you start to mistrust but then it turns out they're good. But you suspecting them of hienous things hurts them so much as they looked up to and worshipped you, when they return from running away they're bad now. They redeem themselves just before main villain kills them.

>>27406484
Don't worry, most characters are like that. So we'll never know exactly which one it is because everyone's so nice.

I mean Nuzleaf struck me as a normal guy since he didn't even want you living with him, and he was being attacked by the ayys and we really didn't know anything about Munna prior to her betrayal. And then you get total curveballs like Espurr.

>>27406484
I agree with >>27406598
It's probably not gonna be a problem. I thought Simipour was gonna be the villain because of how he was acting.
>"Maybe he's telling the truth about being a human, you never know~" was the line that made me really suspicious.

But I'm really tired of this plot point to be honest. I kind of just want a villain who's shown to be evil from the get-go with clear motives that don't make me want to join his side.

>>27406367
uh?

>>27406484
It's still fine for GtI and Super, but I think the next game should be different, shouldn't have this. I hope it's more like RT, or something new like how Explorers was at first.

>>27406656
Yeah. They could use the Manectric and Electrike clan and whoever attacked them in the Amp place, and pull a FE Fates where the Electrike take you in as a child. But in this case, you weren't kidnapped, and Manectric isn't evil. But instead of two three games it's all in one. [Spoiler]And multiple save profiles.

>>27406720
Well Sky was just an update and Gates was a disappointment. Between beating EoD and playing Super I waited 8 years. Thankfully it was worth it.

>>27406720
>It's still fine for GtI and Super, but I think the next game should be different, shouldn't have this. I hope it's more like RT, or something new like how Explorers was at first.

Somehow it doesn't seem old yet, they add enough twists to everything where I'm constantly surprised. Honestly if they switch it up it will only be because they can't top previous entries

>>27406770
Sky is worth it, the bonus episodes alone are worth the money/time pirating. And fuck Gates, I breezed through it in a weekend and sold it around the glacier because I was so sick of the dull, mundane shit that made that game.

>>27406656
>But I'm really tired of this plot point to be honest. I kind of just want a villain who's shown to be evil from the get-go with clear motives that don't make me want to join his side.

Wouldn't that make the story rather obvious though? You'd know what you're up against as the main part of the story. Everything else (side plots in relation and others) would be a waste since you already know who's going around doing all of it.

>>27406927
Why is knowing my enemy a bad thing? Think about JRPGs where the reason the MC goes on his journey is because the villain burned down his village. It still leaves plenty of room for side content and it gives the player an objective throughout the story.

How about a MC without the amnesia
How about a MC forced his/her way into the PMD world same for the villain

I swear I had SMD at some point. I KNOW I played the game. Yet its not in my collection of games anywhere.

Guess I'll buy the digital version. If I ever find my physical copy then I can have two saves.

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>>27407904
Did you check under the tray?

>>27407933
I dont even know why I suddenly want to play it again. I started playing Shiren The Wanderer and immediately started thinking about how much better it would be if there were Pokemon.

>>27407787
I was playing around with latter the idea in fanfiction. I really like it, especially if it's some shit like the villain played PMD in his world and that was his motivation. The villain knows how things go and tries to stop the bad thing from happening (is more like an anti-hero rather than a villain), but his plan is something stupid like resetting the world or putting everyone in a never-ending dream.

>>27407991
Sounds too edgy and crosses into Undertale territory.

>>27408314
I was thinking the same thing as I typed that, even pulled in some Naruto with that dream shit. So what other reasons could there be that lead to the human being an antagonist?

>>27408370
I've been working on a story myself where the villain doesn't want to be in the pokemon world and wants to leave after saving it alongside you, but they don't leave or anything after saving it, so they seek to destroy it thinking they'll be able to go back to being human again.

I really really don't wanna wait too long for a new Mystery Dungeon but I feel like this gen will be fast and we won't get a new MD until Gen VIII.
SM - 2016
??? - 2017 Probably a break, if this was the case, probably the best time to release SM MD
??? - 2018 New gen on the new system
??? - 2019 New MD?

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I need an adult

>>27408814
PSMD came out last year. Any next PMD will probably get announced the next year, at best at the end of the 2016.
That said I hope they avoid a new Gates.

Also it's funny hot Gates got DLC dungeons but PSMD got nothing.

Whos objectively the best MC and Partner for SMD?

>>27409023
I've never heard that anywhere, and anon was asking who he should play as in SMD.

>>27408981
Chespin/Fennekin is ez mode.

>>27407787
>How about a MC without the amnesia
Gates to Infinity

>>27409533
Wasn't that only at the end though? I'm pretty sure the MC went through the standard fare at the beginning. Anon might have been thinking along the lines of the MC having their memories for the whole game.

>>27408814
Gens have been short since gen5, since they started to want to have two gens of at least 3 years for each console. gen7 will last 3 years and it will be fine. Just look at the 3DS, it came out in 2011 (If I remember correctly BW came out in Europe like a day before the 3DS did). XY came out in late 2013. BW came out in 2010 in Japan. Everything went fine.
Now compare it to gen7. It comes to the 3DS later this year, and the new console comes out in March 2017. Nothing to worry about.

>>27409613
This. Also I haven't played Gates yet despite having it installed for over a month in my 3DS.

>>27409613
Nope, it actually was there from the start. It's just that the main character doesn't mention it. Well, they supposedly don't know they were "supposed" to have amnesia, so it's not a problem. The only thing they've used it with is the partner being like "I don't want you to leave your family or your friends". Probably because talking about it would be strange since it's supposed to be you, particularly considering the ending.

>>27409803
How do gather that their memories were there from the start if the MC never mentions it?
>Well, they supposedly don't know they were "supposed" to have amnesia
Where does this come from?

>>27409851
Heh, I only thought about that one after posting, it only works in the case it's someone's first PMD game. I mean, think that you actually get there, why would you assume you're supposed to have amnesia?

>How do gather that their memories were there from the start if the MC never mentions it?
Okay, alright, we don't know, but considering they didn't make a big deal out of it I see no reason not to think that isn't the case. It's something that never gets mentioned or implied or anything during the entire game. It might as well be that there's no reason to talk about it.

>>27409937
Oh I get what you were saying now. Now that you mention it, it is weird that amnesia wasn't a plot point like it was in all the other games. Maybe it was just dropped like how Super's MC returning was dropped. Neither of those really got an explanation.

>>27409851
It was never mentioned in Gates that they lost their memories, they just didn't know why they were turned into a pokemon and fell into that world at the time. MC knows who they are, just not why they're there.

>>27408981
your favorites

So for the ending for the Sceptile episode, did Arceus bring them back? If so why couldn't he of just fixed the Temporal Tower himself?

>>27411727
>sceptile

>>27411748
>Sceptile
Oh jeez. I totally forgot that it was Grovyle even though I just completed it. Sorry, none of the Explorers characters are worth remembering.

>>27411766
None of any Mystery Dungeon characters are worth remembering desu

>>27411807
Really this is a terrible spinoff series.

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>>27411807
>>27411828

>>27411853
the first one is an opinion ive seen before, the second one is also, but less so

>>27411853
No, I honestly hate the story and characters of Pokemon Mystery Dungeon but love the gameplay.

How can I motivate myself to finish Super Mystery Dungeon?

I got past the fake Giratina fight and then I stopped playing, that was months ago and I've forgotten everything. I'll have to start from scratch I think, but the pacing is so slow its hard to stick with it.

If I do, how is Turtwig as a starter? I went with Totodile last time. Pikachu as a partner.

>>27407787
>How about a MC without the amnesia
Gates
>How about a MC forced his/her way into the PMD world
Explorers, kind of.

>>27412428
>Explorers, kind of.
How?

>>27412514
He chose to go back in time, he wasn't summoned to the world against his will

>>27411917
Just keep playing, literally right after that fight is when the game kicks off for real. I took a 5 month break around the same place.

Now (once again) I'm not that anon, but the problem with you people saying Gates fits the "no amnesia" is the same reason you believe it to be true: since the MC doesn't mention they don't have amnesia, we don't know if their knowledge of the human world is being used. Kind of makes the no amnesia thing pointless. I'm assuming the anon wants the human memories to be important.

>>27412915
Amnesia wasn't mentioned, nor would amnesia have served any purpose in the plot, ergo, I assumed it didn't happen in Gates. The story is unchanged regardless, and the amnesia would serve no purpose.

>>27412915
I'm the one who first replied by saying GtI did it, but I realized it wasn't an important part of the plot, I was just pointing out it did actually happen.

>>27412953
but what about muh butterfly effect? maybe like having a conversation about not remembering anything at the beginning of the game could change EVERYTHING

>>27412915
>I'm assuming the anon wants the human memories to be important.
How important can they be for a story that takes place in a pokemon world anyway? Unless their life strictly deals with being there already like Explorer's MC, they're kinda useless. Plus, the MC is meant to be you.

>>27413023
When in doubt, apply Occam's Razor.

Besides, the 4th wall shenanigans in the post game indirectly says the player character is supposed to literally be the player, and I'm pretty sure everyone here knows about their own loves.

>>27412875
Too late, I wiped the save. Oh well. Any suggestions for a new starter?

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>>27413073
Pikacute

Also, what? This isn't the PS1, why would you wipe the save?

>>27413073
>not making a backup
baka

>>27408981
Chespin is in its own tier, completely above any of the other starters

>>27413159
>>27413276
habit I suppose

>>27413159
What game is that?

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But I don't want to be a slave

>>27414604
They'll suddenly turn on you half way up Reverse Mountain

Be sure to drop a boulder on them before they throw you at void shadows so they can escape with you as a distraction

>>27414604
Too late anon, Raiku and Entei will use that boipussy of your as they see fit

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Watching the credits for Super. Are there any spoilers I still need to worry about or can I open them all up and endulge in discussion?

>>27415042
>Raikou and Entei tearing up your butt
>Suicune forcing you to lick their chest and etc.
That god damn Suicune fic posted last thread messed me up

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>>27404984
>You will never travel the pokemon world with your beloved partner
>You will never discover new things that nobody has ever found before you
>You will never form lasting friendships with hundreds of pokemon
>You will never fall asleep each night, next to said partner, with a smile on your face, knowing you helped somebody today
>You will never chart strange new regions
>You will never have a guild of explorers and rescuers
>You will never unravel the mysteries of the universe as you travel to and speak with legendary pokemon
>You will never be a pokemon
>You will never see this world
>You will never be a part of it
Why did this happen?

>>27415128
There's a postgame plot for you to do

>>27415128
Several.

>>27414012
Don't bother, it's porn.

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>>27414604
Honestly this is how I imagine the pecking order in hell works. Everyone already dead so who gives a shit about courtesy?

I like how they had a valid reason for sacrificing themselves, since without the scarves they're basically useless

>>27415133
>implying Mawile isn't getting the DDD for most of the endgame

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>>27415195
Out of all the timelines, how did we all end up in the worst one?

>>27415234
>Don't bother, it's porn.
Deterred no one ever.

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>>27415284
Well at least we get to experience it through video games. There was no vidya when I was a kid, life just sucked 24/7.

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>It's a Blast Trap!

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>>27415284
>>27415195
Life is simply unfair, don't you think?

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>>27415492
>It's a Big Blast Trap

>>27415133
>Implying Suicune was interested in you
Nah, only Entei and Raiku were into the whole "your are our sex slaves".
Post the fic

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>>27415492
>leading a new recruit in Rescue Team
>It's a Pitfall Trap!

>>27415548
>The way Suicune barely talked to you
>The way Suicune basically ignored you
>You will never have Suicune notice you
it's an abstract kind of hell
https://archiveofourown.org/works/7310140

>>27415524
Sauce?

>>27415492
>Selfdestruct trap!
>walk two tiles away trying to make my braindead teammates not walk over it
>Explosion trap!

I just got a pmd game today before work it was spmd what am i in for?
Also im a mudkip

>>27415807
I'm also a mudkip
who's your partner? I got cyndaquil.
it seems to be pretty fun, but it's really slow to start.

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PSMD SPOILERS
How would the Earth stop spinning cause it to be drawn towards the sun?[/spoilers]

>>27416029
The force of the sun's asspull is too strong. Don't think about it.

>>27416029
>Being this young

>>27415850
The xy fire starter the name escapes me right now.

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>>27416086
Fennekin, AKA the hot fox.

>>27416029
Spinning as in spinning AROUND it. If it's not in orbit then it's being pulled towards it.

Does Heal Bell heal everything in Explorers of Sky? Thinking about giving it to one of my mons, because moves like Perish Song can get pretty annoying.

>>27416128
They should have used the term orbit if that's what they meant.

>>27416159
Maybe they did. I never played the japanese version.

>It's the year 20XX
>New PMD has been announced
>You can now romance/date your partner and/or other team members

>Depending on relationship level for each member depends on how they react when you start "dating" a partner/member ranging from "meh", "good for you" to "i thought he/she (they) liked me"

>How would you react and/or what would you do

> inb4 Who let him out of autism containment

> inb4 Go back to >>/mlp/

>>27416158
It should.

>>27416226
What if
>The relationship mechanic kind of works like Amie in which max affection makes them broken

>>27416116
As that little qt3.14 i picked the Cute. -music note- choice

>>27416336
Fun fact: That does nothing

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Teeter Dance is bullshit.

>>27416363
Everything is bullshit.

>>27416353
I'm pretty sure it only does nothing in the European versions. In the American and Jap ones it sets the gender.

>>27411766
>Not worshipping based Wigglytuff.

>>27416427
No. It really does nothing in the English version. It changes the gender in the Nip and European version but not the English version
At no point in the English version is your partner mentioned by gender regardless of what you pick.

>>27416353
>being in eu
>not im murica or nipland

Sure whatever you say buddy.

>>27416452
It changes Pikachu's tail.

>>27416459
Not the Anon but that's really all it does
If your Partner doesn't have a feature that it's opposite gender doesn't have, like Blaziken's feathers or Pikachu's tail, it does nothing

So...the two choices
Cool & Cute does nothing in the NA version? Whats the point of it then whats the difference between the EU,Japan & NA then?

>>27416509
In the NA version your partner is mentioned by name and never by he or she
In EU and JN characters would use words like boku or elle in speech due to how their languages work
So long story short: If you don't choose anyone that has a detail on their model that tells you that they're boy or girl in the NA vsersion, picking "Cool" or "Cute" does absolutely nothing

>>27416509
It sets the gender. they just don't refer to you or your partner with he/she in the American versions, so unless your pokemon has noticeable sexual dimorphism you won't see a difference.
I thought someone said the gender option did nothing in certain eurpoean versions, like it defaulted to female regardless of what you picked or something.

>>27416576
I remember hearing about that too

>>27416538
What the fuck is the point in having the option to choose between cute and cool in the NA version if they don't fo jack shit?

>>27416576
Isn't Torchic the only starter available with any kind of sex dimorphism? And isn't that dimorphism literally a tiny dot on its ass you wouldn't see anyway?

>>27416617
Pikachu's tail.

>>27416597
Because when it was straight up removed from Gates it made people angry.

>>27416617
Torchic and Pikachu I think are the only two who have little things that tell you their gender
Really little things
Seriously, Blaziken's you won't even notice unless you put them side by side in game

>>27416617
Pickachu does too, but I don't know about any of the other starters, you'd have to look it up.

>>27416226
Quit my job and sever my legs. I wouldn't need them anymore.

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So...does that mean i have to use my imagination?

>>27416597
Because it does do shit, it's just NoA neglected to refer to anyone with gender pronouns for some reason when they did their translations.
I'm not even sure if the school principal is a boy or a girl.

>>27416684
Yep

>>27416633
>Because when it was straight up removed from Gates it made people angry.

Even worse, they somewhat frequently refer to your partner using "he". So you can't even pretend.

The REAL question is which gender is Mew?

>>27416294
Kek

>>27416696
Plenty of characters are referred to by gender. Deerling, Espurr, Goomy, the whole Society, Carracosta. It's just the MC and partner they didn't gender explicitly.

>>27416725
While the partner doesn't have a gender, Mew is referred to as "he." But remember, in the end they're separate Pokémon so don't start hyperventilating.

>>27416725
D-do they do that im psmd?

>>27416760
No, the MC and partner in Super are referred to by name only.

>>27416760
Hell no, I wouldn't even be here if they ruined the game by pairing me up with a guy.

>>27416753
Barely even matters, the amount of fanart I've seen from Explorers where Celebi's a guy is staggering. Whatever suits your taste, I suppose.

Is there any hope that the next game won't be a step back? How could they make it harder than it already is? How can they make the story crazier without bumping up the rating? How can they trump the twists?

>>27416363
You think Teeter Dance is bullshit?

Oh boy.

Play Rescue Team.

It hits everyone on the floor, including the user. Not that it matters, since both Spinda and Smeargle are immune to confusion.

>>27416842
I have faith in Chunsoft, and I'm confident the twists will still at the very least be fresh even if they get mixed reception. I don't think it needs to be "harder" per se but if they just improve on Super's formula (like not making Reviver Seeds so easy to come by, not making traps disappear when triggered) that would be great. You can blow up characters and reduce them to dust in the wind on screen with an E rating apparently so I doubt they need to worry about ratings.

All this being said, in the case of the 3/DS games, the odds are always the ones where they try something new while the evens improve and are the better games for it.

>>27416935
Could we, like, call Chunsoft to see what they're up to? See if they're making any sequels or anything?

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>>27416963
"Hey Chunsoft. This is /vp/ here. We would like a big portion of fresh twist salad, and maybe some good characters water to go along with it. And after that, why not french fries with a pinch of high quality references to older games? Do you have that on the menu?"

image is how i feel right now, typing this. also. EPILEPSY WARNING

>>27416963
Why don't you try and see what happens.

>>27416842
>How can they trump the twists?
The partner backstabs and becomes a villain

Is it just me or does Snivy seem a bit tough to play? Maybe it's grass in general.

>>27417177
Snivy is absolute garbage in SMD. He's basically "Hard Mode"

>>27417195
Oh cool. He's my favorite though so I'll be pushing on. What's wrong with him? Stats? Moveset?

>>27417224
Everything
Not even kidding
He's made of glass, his stats are terrible, his movepool is absolutely terrible
You're going to be carried by your partner super hard so get used to that

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>mfw I emulate Gates to Infinity at 1FPS on Citra
is this the only 3DS emulator or do we have a better thing

>>27415297
I'm serious, it's even focused on weird fetishes.

>>27417301
>it's even focused on weird fetishes.
How weird?

>>27417137
Again? Sure it was only Darkrai's illusion but that's hardly an excuse

>>27417301
>weird fetishes
Like?

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>>27416427
you're telling me that cyndaquil is a girl?

>>27417333
If you picked cute for it then yes.

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>>27417312
Weird.

>>27417363
I... What? PIKACHU vore? Of all the Pokemon who would be great for that role... Pikachu?

>>27417363
>Vore
Damn. I was expecting futa or something
Pass

>>27417363
now i really want to the link

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>>27415682
Put it bluntly, Suicune finds inferior life forms boring and an unworthy of any attention. He would only fuck with himself, for he is the ultimate life form or so he thinks

>>27417424
So, Suicune has a superiority complex

>>27417363
>>27417363
I really like RPGmaker. I never considered the idea of making weird fanfiction porn for it though, which is strange because there's loads of hentai shit made with it already.

Wonder where I can get those sprites...

>>27417433
Yes, he sometimes goes to lakes and faps to his own reflection on the water.
Just don't waste your time with an egocentrit faggot like him, just give yourself your new Masters.

>>27417460
But Entei's mean and Raikou's harsh

>>27417363
I think i found it.
its simply called voremon

>>27417471
Wait, the entire thing is nothing but vore?
But >>27417301 said fetishes! Pural!
We've been had

>>27417466
You are right, Entei is a fucker with anger issues.
Just give yourself to Raikou, he might be a little harsh but is examply what you need Anon. A demanding yet loving Master.

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>accidentally hover over the Secret Slab instead of the Tight Belt
>"But nothing happened."
>Slab disappears from inventory

>>27417471
Wrong. Voremon is just fucking disgusting, they cook people in that one.

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>>27417751
wait, this can happen?

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>>27417751
>Alright, beating the Regis let me make this music box
>Might as well use it and see what happens

>first time going through path of fallen leaves
Holy EXP

>>27416455
please stop you're making me sad

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>>27415492
>>27415524
>mfw Damp

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Did you cry at any point during these games?

It's awkward to admit, feels like I should give a disclaimer that I don't usually cry, hell I barely even feel human emotions. I was even fine for the first few moments of Explorer's ending, but then it just got to a point where my eyes got really wet.

>>27416538
>>27416597
Only true for the Japanese version. In the European version the partner is forced to be female regardless, even if you play in English.

>>27416633
>Because when it was straight up removed from Gates it made people angry.
What did they expect after showing it in the trailers?

>>27417333
>>27417361
Or you're playing the European version.

>>27417251
Try the chinese fork, it's better if what you want to do is playing games.

>>27419234
Is the translation any different? Does it still use gender-neutral pronouns even though her gender is set?

>>27416802
>ruin

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Red and Blue had some good artwork for their games, at least.

So doing my 1st time pmd on psmd and Nuzleaf is a pretty cool dude

>>27419258
I'm pretty sure the English translation is the same, but I feel I haven't checked it enough yet. If I remember correctly they didn't even bothered to change stuff like color to colour.
>3 months

>>27419280
I wasn't expecting >>27405732
The PSMD cover is cool too

>>27419214
Is that even a question?

Aside from the endings I also remember crying when the partner started reading the letters from the adults.

>>27419234
>EU version hard-locks your partner to be a goil regardless of choice
>JP version actually calls your partner a boy or a goil depending on your choice
>NA version doesn't even call your partner by gender at all regardless of choice
Treehouse dropped the ball

>>27419369
I thought Treehouse didn't touch PMD.

>>27419386
I didn't know who to direct my anger too I'm sorry

>>27419283
Best Dad

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>>27419369
>But why does it matter if you call them a girl or a boy? It's just Pokémon, anon!

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>>27419419
It MATTERS

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>>27419406
I don't blame you for jumping to Treehouse, I mean it does sound like their work.

>>27419419
>mfw

>>27419356
I got teary eyed in Super when Mew is about to disappear. Ending was too awesome for me to feel sad, but Mew being taken away seemed really pointless. Thankfully the MC voiced my opinions perfectly

>>27419469
>English Translation

Hisato Yamamori
Sayuri Munday
Jillian Nonaka
Ben Regal

>English Editing

Kellyn Ballard
Blaise Selby
Rachel Payne
Eric Haddock

Lotta women on this team.

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>>27419508
>It was woman that were the cause for removing the ability to waifu/husbando your partner
>It was woman
>It was woman all along

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>>27419533
>Hahahaha! He actually thought he could actually experience joy without buying someone a diamond ring!

>>27419533
We'll never be able to max out our partner's Social Link at this rate.

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>>27419586
>Playing Persona Mystery Dungeon: Tree of Savior Chronicles X
>Can't max out Social Links because it was removed in the NA version
>Because
>Of
>Woman

>>27419635
You'd think after 18 FUCKING years fans would have made a Pokémon dating sim by now.

I want a PMD game where you and other pokemon can breed in order to get pokemon with egg moves and better stats.

>>27419719
>About to say that maybe Pokemon fans are too lazy to make a dating sim
>Remember all the fangames
>And artwork
>And doujins
>And animations
>And fanfiction
There's probably one out there
Somewhere
I refuse to believe no one made some sort of Pokemon dating sim/VN

>>27419784
Trust me, I've looked. Yet all I found was a short CYOA starring a faggot Snivy and a hungry Pikachu.

>>27419819
>starring a faggot Snivy and a hungry Pikachu.
That sounds absolutely god awful

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It's time.

>>27420131
Good luck, anon.

>>27419419
It's true, it doesn't matter, regardless of it being Pokémon. What matters is that we can't have any better option.

>>27420131
Were making progress. I only have 6 revives. Hopefully that's enough to work with.

So, where was it stated that male Pokemon proc crits and females have better evasion in Explorers of Sky from? Can't find any info on that in-game. Is it from a guide or something?

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>>27420335
Forgot pic

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>>27420357
>checkpoint on the 4th floor
I have a bad feeling about this... Wish me luck.

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>>27419386
I'm sorry, but I had to mention it.

>>27420510
I gave that one a pass even though it's kinda bad. It would have been worse if he said like "Just go for it!" or something before or after he said that.

At least it sounds like something a person would say and not "Such ruin, such mystery."

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I CAN WIN! I FEEL GREAT! I. CAN. DO. THIS. YEAAAAAAH!!!

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>>27420342
It wasn't stated anywhere in game. It was, however, stated in Time/Darkness's book that came with the preorder. Here's your proof.

>>27420648
Uhh, what are you doing?

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>>27420670
>Male's can hit like a truck
>Females have AFTER IMAGES

>>27417177
Nice taste.
Use Growth, it's a real nice move. Powers you up against regular enemies and lets you boost against the abnormally strong ones to fight them more evenly.
Also get an Energy Ball TM as soon as you can.

>>27420675
Dying. ;_;

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>>27420744
Fuck, forgot pic again.

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>>27420744
>>27420762
Don't surrender, Anon, I believe in you!

I want to play EoS with Eevee as my partner. Will it still have Run Away after it evolves later on?

Might be a stupid question, but it's been a while since I played PMD, or even a Pokemon game.

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>>27420762
>>27420775
It's right. Our stats have been cut in half.

>>27420834
None of the Eeveevolutions have RA

>>27420842
Keep FIghting!
You can take screenshots using the miiverse

>>27420869
>None of the Eeveevolutions have RA
Great, so I won't have to suffer for the whole game. Thanks.

>>27420686
This is why female Drifblim is better than male. Higher chance to negate all damage is, simply put, better than a higher chance to deal more damage.

>>27420904
>EoS
>evolving before the whole game
uh

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>>27420842

>>27420775
>>27420869
Maybe we CAN do it!
I forgot how fucking awesome this song is.

>>27420869
I know, i'm just really really lazy.

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>>27421020
We did it!

>>27421020
http://youtube.com/watch?v=N4RUegWPdis

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>>27421020
>>27421097
Ah, the good old battle against The Partner's Shadow

>>27420551
To be fair, it feels a lot more natural than, say, the "call me maybe" junk they tossed into Swanna's dialogue. That was pretty much the peak of "what the fuck" for me. Like, it barely even made sense.

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HOLY SHIT GUYS IM SLEEPING IN A GIRL'S ROOM

>>27421336
Get that dick wet. Do it for pappa 'Costa.

>>27421336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izGwDsrQ1eQ

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I WAS SUPPOSED TO GET MY DICK WET!

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I've only played Blue Rescue Team. Are there any where I can play as a Braixen?

>>27421943
Not in particular. You can play as Fennekin in Super, but you won't be able to recruit Braixen or evolve yourself into one until after the main- and post-credits story.

>>27421943
You can evolve Fennekin, one of the many starters you can choose from, when you beat the game.

I was on the 11th floor of Mystery Jungle and the game fucking popped out of the 3ds by myself. I'm so fucking angry right now.

What other games are decently done in Mystery Dungeon style? I'm already playing Shiren the Wanderer, but I hear there are other games like this.

Also, which Pokemon Mystery Dungeon has the best longevity or replayability? I can't get enough of this shit.

>like Sceptile, but dislike treecko
should I pick another starter?

>>27423231
definitely.

>Your team steals from kecleon so much that they become wanted criminals

I kinda want this to be a thing

>>27423190
Explorers of Sky's got a pretty long postgame story, and gives you freedom to do quite a bit, like doing the seven treasures quest, challenge missions from some legendaries, recruiting everything, Zero Isle, and Destiny Tower.
Super has all those connection orb missions too, in spite of its short postgame story.

>>27423357
Ill probably pick up Explorers of The Sky then. I hear it's on WiiU Virtual Console now.

>>27423412
Just a heads up

>DON'T pick Phanpy at all. Its moveset is very bad and gets no good STAB
>DON'T pick Eevee as a partner, Run Away is terrible
>Get a Wooper, it's very early on (mission right after you get the ability to recruit) and its Damp will protect you from explosive traps
>if you see a Drifblim watch the fuck out

Apart from those, pick whatever starters you want.

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>>27423412
>Virtual Console
Pretty sure you can get multiple saves out of that by creating extra Wii U accounts, so that's pretty good. You can also use Restore Points to make things easier but that's cheating
Do what this guy said >>27423458 but also remember to save your Gummis until after Spinda's Cafe opens up, since those are guaranteed stat boosts, which is good if you picked a shitty starter or want to cap fast in the postgame. Also, Amp Plains has some pretty decent recruit mons, like Mareep (who can link Charge+Discharge early), and Electrike (has Lightningrod, negating any electric type attack), but it'd be pretty redundant to use both on one team.

>>27419719
See >>27416226

>>27416294
I just realized what this anon was saying, I just touch them everywhere until they like it

>>27423458
Why Wooper specifically? Isn't Psyduck also a Waterfall Cave mon with Damp? They both seem pretty interchangable to me.

>>27423732
Psyduck is in IQ group C, which doesn't get much aside from Pierce Hurler.

Wooper is in IQ group G which gets Trap Seer/Map Surveyor/Quick Striker/Stair Sensor. All are very useful for dungeon crawling. Drifblim's in this group, too.

>>27423190
any roguelike, particularly the ones developed by chunsoft, licensed by chunsoft or that are trying to imitate chunsoft's ones (i know there's a touhou specifically this, I haven't looked into it though)

Where can I find a Blizzard TM?
Even a rainbow one, if that helps.

Regretting replacing Pursuit on Snivy. Didn't know I couldn't relearn it. Anyone know any good sets for a Snivy MC?

Anybody know how much Forewarn/Detect Band/being female increases Evasion? Bulbapedia says nothing about the percentage, and doesn't even mention the gender factoring into evasion in pmd.

Any particularly good starters for Super aside from Chespin? I just don't like Chespin in general.

>>27424942
>not liking the cutest starter

Criticism of taste aside, I hear Fennekin's pretty good. There's a tierlist floating around but I don't have it saved

>>27424942
>>27424993
The cutest choice is Riolu and Piplup (or Piplup and Riolu)

>>27424942
I used the furbait duo of riolu and Fennekin and had no issues.
Fennekin is great.

I'm really under leveled on Pokemon super mystery dungeon and this is my first time playing any mystery dungeon games. I'm right before poliwrath river if that makes any difference. How do I grind? Can I backtrack to an earlier dungeon or no?

>>27425026
You're not underleveled, that's just how the game is. You can't grind levels until after you beat the game. Use wands if you're stuck.

>>27425026
Pelipper island from the main menu.

>>27424993
>>27425000
>>27425002

Whats the verdict on Turtwig?

>>27425026
You can use Pelliper Island, accessible from the main menu, to grind. It gives you 3 random pokemon, but you don't have to use them

>>27425026
Most people are about level 12 for that point.
Make an effort to explore the floor a little more if you aren't doing so already.

>>27425051
>>27425057
Thanks

>>27425049
Your response was fucking useless and didn't help me at all I'VE BEEN USING FUCKING WANDS AS WELL AS ORBS

>>27425052
Fuck if I know, I've never used Turtwig.
There was some sort of tier list for super starters, but I can't find it in my files.

>>27424618
It depends on what game your playing.
Bulbapedo doesn't seem to have locations listed for it, so you'll probably have to use a wonder mail generator if the game you're playing has one, if it doesn't you're probably fucked.

>>27424618
I don't know if it's guaranteed, but the last floor of Super Apple Forest seems to always have a Kecleon Shop with a few TM's. I don't know for sure if Blizzard can appear there or not, but I'd look there first.

>>27425100
>I'VE BEEN USING FUCKING WANDS AS WELL AS ORBS
Then how are you losing?

>>27425100
apparently you haven't been using them well enough. I beat those guys with a Fennekin.
Do either your MC/partner have ranged moves?
If you can manage to hoard enough pounce and sleep wands you can just pounce around the room and snipe them from a distance, and put some asleep so you don't get gangbanged.
You should also start hoarding blast seeds, as those are pretty strong in super, doing about 100 damage I think a pop.
tl;dr: git gud.

>>27425104
>>27425122
Thank you for your responses, anons.
Off to Pelipper Island to farm some TMs.

>>27425143
Blast Seeds do 100 damage a pop, yep.

>>27425104
Rainbow TMs are only a thing in Super.

>>27425158
Stater and partner won't level up either way if I remember correctly

>>27425132
Idk but >>27425143 post kinda helps, thanks >>27425143

>>27425172
Pounce wands are a gift from god, I used the fuck out of those things, and always carried a stack with me. They are really useful for getting out of shitty situations.

>>27425198
They're also useful for stealing from Kecleon.

>>27425202
>wasting precious pounce wands on petty theft
>not just having your teammates wait on the stairs and switch to them after you've gathered your loot so you can leave immediately

>>27425026
The main game forces you into each and every story mission as soon as they pop up no matter what (a step down from previous games, which usually let you put them off and do some other explorations in order to get levels or restock on items), so you have to duck out of the main game and go into the free-play mode in Pelipper Island.

Expect this kind of thing to happen a lot in Super, by the way. The game's EXP curve, level curve and general balancing are pretty royally fucked up, so you're going to have to consistently either grind or buy tons of vitamins from Cofagrigus as a workaround. They tried to make it more like your typical roguelike where you go in with low levels and have to rely mainly on items and stuff, but because the game still progresses like your typical linear Pokemon/PMD game, the system doesn't really work that well until postgame.

>>27425247
You can't switch leaders while stealing.
Also, Kecleons spawn on the stairs as soon as you step out of his room, and I don't really want to waste my reviver seeds on them.

>>27425249
>you have to duck out of the main game and go into the free-play mode in Pelipper Island.
No you don't.

>you're going to have to consistently either grind or buy tons of vitamins from Cofagrigus as a workaround
No you don't.

>>27425286
Oh really? I didn't know that. I've never bothered stealing from them, they never have anything I want.

>>27425310
They sell Rainbow TMs on the last floors, which are items that you could never find in regular Kecleon shops.

This is where wands are a godsend. As long as you have petrify, warp, stayaway, pounce wands and a handful of reviver seeds, you're pretty much set for stealing.

If you're feeling devilish, you can sell your items and steal it back along with other items he's selling so you can get some profit off of it.

It's best to buy his stuff when it's not too expensive, though. Not really worth the risk.

>>27425310
>Not stealing
I thought I was the only one.

>>27425357
>They sell Rainbow TMs
I've seen those, but I mostly just use my starters and tend to be satisfied with the moves I get through level up or move tutors, so they're basically useless to me, since I never use them.
As for selling and stealing back items, I've seen that suggested before, but I've never needed cash badly enough to go through the trouble. Especially in super where I almost never bought anything except sticks and shit for gold exchanging.

>>27425362
They just never have anything that I think is worth stealing.

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>>27425300
Yes, I'm afraid you do. The guy was asking "hey, how do I not get forced into the story bottleneck so I can grind levels", and when you're stuck at a story bottleneck, you have to go back to the main menu and into Pelipper Island in order to continue playing normally, unlike previous games which just let you do it in the actual main part of the game.

Also, haha, very funny, tell that to the countless people in these very threads who basically tell every new player "roid yourself or bust". Don't pretend that nobody else encourages it just because I happen to think it's poor game design.

>>27425526
I get they were trying to make Super harder but they went about it in completely the wrong way.

>railroad you into dungeons to the point where you can't even go into the cafe to get an item
>level 5 dungeons are absolutely terrible
>just gives you pokemon like Salamence and Victini right away anyways

>>27424699
Energy Ball is a given.
Aerial Ace is a good replacement for Pursuit with 2 less PP, better accuracy, and a typing that lets you hit more Pokémon for SE.
Nice STAB options are Leaf Blade (more damage), Vine Whip (slightly better range), or Mega Drain. I find Mega is better than Giga since it has 2 more PP but does only ~11 less damage.
Boosting moves are helpful. Growth is generally the best since Snivy has to go mixed to have both Energy Ball and coverage, but go for it if you want to try doing a moveset for the others.

>1st time play pmd
>started with psmd
>like the game
>enjoy how my partner acts
>everyone is a douche to my cute~ fennekin friend
>douchebag pancham calls me a liar
>everyone starts to be a douche
>Deerling is meh
>goomy is a littls bitch
>espurr is meh
>fuck shelmet
>nuzlocke bro is a cool dude

Fuck those guys the only bro i need is my cute~ friend.

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>>27425706
Do not bully the Espurr

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>>27425706
Anon, we need to have a talk.

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>>27425706
special doggo is for hug

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>path of fallen leaves
>bring a motivated unown along with my roided up mains
>go from lvl 73 to lvl 79 in an hour

Holy fuck

We had Rescue, Exploration, Adventure/Adventure Squads and Expedition Society teams. What unique type of team would you add instead of reusing rescue team, exploration team, etc?

>>27426127
Discovery teams?

It finally happened.... I cried at a vidya game thanks to Super.
I had played all but gates of course so I was expecting feels but when the MC and partner read the letters of those who didn't see them off.
I couldn't stop crying because of getting a package of letters wishing me well from my classmates when I changed schools (I thought my best friend was over me because we didn't hang out as much near the end but he was actually busy organizing the whole thing).

Has anyone had personal memories dregged up by this damn emotional roller coaster of a series?

>>27426329
There's probably a few things but it's so late right now that i can't recall any right now

>>27370102
>>27370135
Conquest heresy anon here.

I did this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1X4J25Bp0pULM0JQU4CeQSfcgZI5ABNtvm7QteAh_RV4/edit?usp=sharing

I like how Conquest had its own Abilities.

Good partner for Turtwig in Super? I'm leaning towards Fennekin or Pikachu because of cute, but Charmander also seems appealing.

>>27426329
Three or four people have inexplicably turned on me over the years so being betrayed by someone I like always gets to me. And I'm extremely naive so I never see it coming.

Especially back in school, my only friend joined the bullies and made my life pretty miserable for a while. Everything about Espurr's "betrayal" reeked of this.

>>27425526
Go cry to Chunsoft for an easy mode, don't ruin this for the rest of us.

>>27427299
It's too late, the game already scored 9/9/9/9, missing out on a perfect score because players were like "WTF what do you mean I have to think before I act?!"

>>27426917
Always go for cute, anon.

Fennekin sounds nice since they're both quadrupeds and it can snipe for days.
Charmander is great at dealing damage and Torterra+Charizard sounds like a pretty mean combo if you evolve your starters.
Haven't used Pikachu, but it looks like a real glass cannon.

>>27427336
>Always go for cute, anon.

Good advice. I think I'll go TortFenn, I've used Pikachu with Totodile before anyways.

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FUCK ME SAND DUNE OF SPIRITS IS KICKING MY ASS. WHY DOES EVERYTHING HAVE FLASH FIRE?

This is making me realize how much I use my teammates as a crutch.

How many social link bullshits do I have to go through to get turtwig as a recruit, cuz I just wanna make a separate team consisting of Turtwig, deerling (am i the only one who finds her kinda usless) and espurr (Waifumon)

>>27428480
I think that the starters can be recruited from cafés once you begin the postgame. So keep checking those until you get it.

>>27428841
Well fist fuck me for 48 hours and call me daddy

>Try to restart the game
>Restart again after regretting my team choice
>Can't bring myself to pick anything other than my original picks of Snivy with Fennekin

I just can't envision them as anything else. This sucks.

>>27428480
> espurr (Waifumon)
hell yeah nigga

>>27429043
>Can't bring myself to pick anything other than my original picks of Snivy with Fennekin
you mean mudkip and cyndaquil

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I went back to Lively Town after we evolved and found this.

>>27427299
I'm not asking for an easy mode. Heck, I'd like the game to be more difficult, since I replayed the early parts of Explorers last year and was reminded of how smoothly it played as long as I kept a good stock of items on me. Thing is, most of the difficulty in Explorers, somewhat of Rescue, and what little "difficulty" there was in Gates, was all properly tuned. It might still have been pretty smooth to play through now that we're older (or in Gates' case, tediously easy), but it was still designed in a way that made sense and was intuitive.

Super's difficulty is mostly based on bullshit, and while that'd be great for a traditional roguelike - I like playing typical roguelikes and have even beaten a couple of them - PMD isn't a traditional roguelike until the postgame. Super doesn't get good until after the credits roll, and that leaves at least a solid thirty hours of slogging through shit before you can actually start enjoying yourself.

>>27430047
>Super doesn't get good until after the credits roll, and that leaves at least a solid thirty hours of slogging through shit before you can actually start enjoying yourself.
You realize you're talking to someone who enjoyed Super, right? Don't try to project your opinion on to me. If the game gives you the tools to overcome the "bullshit" then it's not bullshit. The game's not impossible without stat boosting, nor do you need to carry 48 stacks of wands to succeed. You say you like more difficulty but you're also saying the game gets better when you eliminate it.

There is nothing wrong with the series being pushed toward a more traditional roguelike gameplay style, it should be the natural progression of gameplay. It's just that Gates took a step backwards so Super had to take 2 steps forward, which is where I imagine the problem lies.

Super's difficulty is balanced around itself. Enemy parameters were increased so you get stuff like wands and item buffs to help you deal with problems. Hunger decreases faster so dungeons are shorter. The A button is near-useless so Elixirs are easy to come by. This is balance. It's different, not bad.

>>27430391
>The A button is near-useless so Elixirs are easy to come by
I'd honestly rather Elixirs be rarer if it meant the A attack was halfway usable

>>27430391
>>27430423
The A attack being locked to 5 damage is dumb. There's nothing that can justify it. It simply doesn't make sense. It could have been acceptable if it was like 15 maximum (and maybe could be increased a little) or something, but 5 just doesn't work.

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>>27430473
I don't see what was wrong with how it was in Explorers. Sure, pic related happening from one A press is a bit absurd, but this is the only case of it, and you'll never take advantage of it in the story. In story, and in level 1 dungeons, you can use the A attack to finish off a pokemon.

>>27430391
>There is nothing wrong with the series being pushed toward a more traditional roguelike gameplay style, it should be the natural progression of gameplay
I disagree, mainly because once again, PMD isn't formatted like a traditional roguelike. If anything, it has way more in common with the more modern roguelite, since you can save, level up, hoard items, you have a linear story progression, a more typical RPG difficulty curve, and all that sort of thing. Most roguelites are balanced differently to compensate for the differences in how they're structured. You don't see games like Crypt of the Necrodancer or Rogue Legacy or anything with the kind of spastic difficulty that PSMD has, because that just wouldn't work. It's the same reason it just doesn't work in PSMD.

If anything, Gates' side content was the natural progression of the game, because it gives you a much more visible, actual reason to continue going through dungeons long after the story's over, so you can build up your base to be the best it can be, and get all the various benefits that you can out of it. The problem is that Gates added great incentives, but gutted the actual crawling to the point where those incentives weren't enough for anyone to force themselves through it.

Super is a step backwards in that regard, since not only is the crawling still unbalanced (albeit in the opposite direction), but now there's no reason for a lot of people to keep playing after the story's over. After finishing the postgame story, I played some more missions and did enjoy them somewhat, but I still got bored of the game incredibly quickly, and soon found myself playing Sky again instead. Heck, I was tempted to buy Gates and give it a fair shake so I could get the taste of Super out of my mouth.

The whole game just feels like a knee-jerk reaction compromise to the complaints that people had with Gates, without actually thinking about how to solve them in a solid way.

>>27430938
>I disagree, mainly because once again, PMD isn't formatted like a traditional roguelike. If anything, it has way more in common with the more modern roguelite, since you can save, level up, hoard items, you have a linear story progression, a more typical RPG difficulty curve, and all that sort of thing

I do not really get what you are trying to say. It have a story so it can not be a traditional rougelike?

>You don't see games like Crypt of the Necrodancer or Rogue Legacy or anything with the kind of spastic difficulty that PSMD has
> because that just wouldn't work

why not?

> After finishing the postgame story, I played some more missions and did enjoy them somewhat, but I still got bored of the game incredibly quickly

why was it boring?

Not trying to be an asshole or anything i really dont get what you are trying to say.

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>>27431098
>You don't see games like Crypt of the Necrodancer or Rogue Legacy or anything with the kind of spastic difficulty that PSMD has

>Be bad at a game
>Make up lies to justify losing

You're the worst kind of person. Please never come back here again.

>>27430938
>spastic difficulty
Maybe in the post-game sure, with the difficulty rating thing not being helpful at all, but then you can just go do a different mission and come back later. During the story, it might be "spastic" because of your choice of Pokémon, like how Articuno was hell for Cubone in Rescue Team or the first boss for Riolu in Explorers.

>now there's no reason for a lot of people to keep playing after the story's over
What does Sky's post-story content have over Super's? Doing missions, maxing rank, collecting treasures, legendary boss fights, recruiting everyone, level reset dungeons; Super is identical, so why would you get bored of Super but go back to Sky and suddenly start having fun?

The Connection Orb and the treasures are the progression, in a more direct way than the Paradise was in Gates. The Orb is your reason to keep playing, to get 100%. It's like the Adventure Log, you do things and your work is reflected there. Only it doesn't track all of the things the Log does which is unfortunate.

>>27431098
>I do not really get what you are trying to say. It have a story so it can not be a traditional rougelike?
I'm not him, but I'll tell you. Look at how the story in the Shiren games (except the third one) is structured. You go to a dungeon, you do stuff, you get to go town between floors. You can die and start from the beginning at level 1, but your progress with the story and the npcs doesn't get lost. Just your levels and items you didn't deposit. PMD (and Shiren 3) have a story with many dungeons.

I don't think it's bad how they did it in Super, honestly it's just a slightly harder RT/Explorers. Maybe they should make it so that it's easy as it is in RT/Explorers at the beginning though.
If anything, they should add stuff like the special episodes from Sky that DO work like a traditional roguelike. Think about it, you get the whole PMD structured game with some level 1 dungeons with some special stuff that no other dungeon has and some Shiren-style plot.

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>previous threads lasted 4-5 days, sometimes longer
>this thread
>two days and already at bump limit
I think I can dig this new pace.

>>27431539
There have been a lot of PMD threads on /v/ lately, so I guess they come here once they realize there's no /vg/ thread.

>>27431591
Why? What happened?

>>27431591
I noticed that as well, makes sense they'd find their way here (also helps that this thread was specifically mentioned in one thread). It's pretty cool.

Also can someone else make the new thread when the time comes? I'm going to a family thing for a few hours. Unless you want me to make the thread now, since I'm leaving in a few minutes.

>>27431725
I'll take care of it, in an hour or so. After I eat, anyways

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>>27431737
Here's an OP if you need one.

>>27431750
Might be a bit too spoilery. Don't worry i have plenty of suitable pics

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>>27431737
Cool, thanks

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What did she mean by this?

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>"find the stolen item" mission
>defeat Poliwag, item drops
>Weezing used Explosion!
Maybe I really do need a Dampmon

>>27432061
I told you about woopers man

>>27432032
>evolving
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ok new thread wait a min

>>27432216
new thread

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