Defend this

I won't, I've always hated Hoenn.

>>27364783
For the time it was decent enough but basically every region since has one-upped the prior region in some way except from Unova to Kalos in my opinion.

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>>27364783
what were they thinking?

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>>27364800
Hoenn has the best map design of any generation though

>>27364783
It gave you lots of freedom save for Cinnabar and Fuchsia.

Kanto worked best in Gen 2, despite the smaller map. Traveling the region as you liked, or better yet spiraling out from Vermillion, was brilliant, making it seem like that was the full realization of Kanto's design.

>>27364999
7.8/10 too much water

Pokemon world maps are astonishingly shit particularly when you realise that they're still intentionally rolling out the same bullshit again and again.

Unova is my least favourite of all, it's just a big circle. Barely any of the towns are even worth revisiting.

It'd be nice to have some real wilderness in pokemon games, maybe with camping.

>>27364999
TOO
MUCH
H2O

I don't see what's wrong with it at all.

Is it the circle-esque shape? Because it's not like you move in a circle.

Is it the length? Because that's what the GB could handle.

What is wrong with it besides ":( Some people like old games and that's BAD!" Because fuck are you guys just as annoying as the geewun fags.

>>27364999

>literally half the map is water

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>>27364783
Kanto is comfy, peaceful and kind of lonely. It looks and feels like a proper region, the suburban area around your hourse you'd explore as a kid looking for bugs, tadpoles or cool places, go biking or fishing, get into figths with other kids and so on, and not some bussy noisy theme park where even the wild pokemon feel set up.

>>27364783
if you mean the Vermillion Harbor, the bike road is probably a high bridge/overpass

>>27367264
Maybe, but how does it get past the rocks that line Routes 19, 20 and 21?

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>>27367331

>>27367331
Boats in the pokemon world need a strong hull as every region has rocks blocking water movement.

>>27366845
>>27366799
>>27366753

Hmm, I wonder if that's anything to do with the lore...

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>>27364783

>>27367600
Subtle.

>>27367744
I don't get it. Or I do and I don't find it funny.

>>27367600
very nice

>>27367744
>>27367763
It's not loss is it?

>>27369442
>>27367750
it's in defense mode you cumdumps

>>27366753
>>27366799
>>27366845
>Complaining about too much water
>Game about the legendary land/sea Pokemon
>Implying a 50/50 split between land and sea is a bad idea
>Implying Groudon should get 90% of the spotlight

You fuckin Kyogre haters

>>27369442
thought so too for a sec

>>27369592
>complaining about too much water
>game where water routes are shit
whoa

>>27366799
>>27366845

IGN leave

too much water is a legitimate complaint you fucking retards

>>27364999
as much as people may complain about muh water, if you compare this to, for example the OP, it actually looks and feels a lot more natural, like, the shape of the continent actually makes sense

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>>27364999
But

No

>>27369592
I never thought about how the 50/50 land/sea map correlates to the lore of Groudon and Kyogre. I appreciate Hoenn even more now.

>>27370134
>game where water routes are shit

What did he mean by this?

>>27369592
Just because it's split for symbolic reasons doesn't mean it's not a shitty idea.

>>27364999
Hoenn is great.
The water doesn't bother me so much.
I think it added to the sensation of exploring when you were diving.
It was easier to lose your place and feel a little lost.
The only thing that bothers me is the textures.
They're just so different from Gen II, and really every gen afterward

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>>27364999
this

>>27364783
My main gripe of this game are incredibly boring landscapes and that there is nothing almost no places of interest outside of the towns.
.
There are places where there are just mountains, green and yellow background, randomly placed ledges and tall grass. Shoreline of route leading to Power Plant is so square it fucking hurts.

>>27364783
It's not Sinnoh.
>>27364999
I mean, trips confirm it.

Kantos map is actually the one thing I thought it has over the other games, actually.

>>27366845
>>literally half the map is water
Anon, that's just about a quarter. Maybe less.

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>>27370185
My theory is the rainbowroad

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>>27364783
It has a simple linear designed path. It would be very difficult to get lost in progress until after the 2nd gym. The gym gives a bump in difficulty by making you gain access to the ss anne before being able to get the third badge.
The second part of the game opens up with an area that has three new towns to explore, the team rocket story line as well as a few others, and a place that lets you train your by now large team. You can easily train a few pokemon to mid levels through this 'middle' game section. Once your strong enough, you go to the last mainland area, which is a kind of bonus area, to test your strength.
The last part is the island, and then back tracking to your home town. The indigo plateau entrance is in virdian the same reason Giovanni is.
Its a simple game design, but achieves its purpose of taking a player across the pokemon world and letting them become the pokemon master.

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>>27364999
Keep in mind, there were barely any gates or loading times in Gen 3. You could go from Fallarbor Town to the Evergrande Pokemon Center without being interrupted by needing to pass through a cave or forest or building.

>>27370185
I think there's a ramp that they jump off of that lets them soar right over the water routes.

>>27371680
This is how I imagined a 3D pokemon would look when i was a kid.
The new 3D engine was such a let down

>>27371767
its time we stopped relying on other people to make the games we want to exist

>>27366916

I miss the less is more approach. That's what makes games like mario and zelda so fun is how minimal they are in population of life and explaining how the world works. The mystery is part of the fun. Have things, but you dont need a story and consant NPCs to talk to. Just go.... out and explore.

>>27370726
You don't need to counter his exaggeration with a larger one.

>>27371808
The problem is that too little can make something feel incredibly barren, which is the case when going back to the Kanto games.

Next to nothing happens within the region and the place just feels soulless.

Someone post the whole textured Sinnoh map

>>27372313
You have played those games right?
Hell you can see on the map that it's only a quarter.

>>27372576
No, I don't see that at all. And yes, I've played both Emerald and OR

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>>27372423
No that map was awful. Snowpoint was so south it hurt to see a flower island more north of it. Have some Johto instead.

>>27372576

The map is about 40% water.

There's nothing wrong with that but it's still true.

>>27371706
Wow that totally justifies everything

>>27372645
I edited the map to have Snowpoint higher but that's on my computer at home. Also of note, I added Frontier Access to that Johto map because the other guy forgot it

>>27372690
Not everything, but I don't like all the gatehouses in Johto as much as it's one of my top favorite regions.

It doesn't feel as seamless

>>27372785
Gatehouses help make it feel more seamless. What really takes me out of the game is walking through a seemingly open area just to have a loading transition anyways. Floaroma Town, Nimbasa City and half of ORAS Hoenn did that and it kills me

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>>27372805
Okay...? There are no loading transitions in RSE Hoenn. That's what we were getting at. It's seamless with almost no gatehouses and no load zones. It's impressive how far across the map you can go without and breaks or transitions.

Apparently that point just went way over your head.

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>>27373087
"downgrade from gen 2" right?
Hoenn just keeps on being the best region.

>>27373162
there's just so much variety

feels like an actual adventure

I won't. It's far too... oblongish.

>>27364800
It's not hoenn tard>>27364783

>>27373200
>>27373162
I found it hilarious how people used to shit talk hoenn for not being 2 regions like G/S, despite hoenn being far superior to both kanto+jhoto

>>27373423

Aparently gen 3 comitted the sin of coming after gen2

>>27373583
>>27373423
It's true that gen 3 has some flaws, but the map surely isn't one of them

>>27371706
never thought about that. pretty efficient to be honest

>>27373423

The only thing that really bugged me about hoenn as a region is that you fight the elite 4 at a different place. I didn't need a 2nd region, but I had figured while playing the game I was coming to the backside of the indigo plateu or something and was curious what members of the elite 4 would be there and who would have left. The game set the standard for all new elite 4 each game. I would preferred members rotating in and out. Like koga becoming an elite 4 was interesting. Now they're all just disposable NPCs you face at the end.

>>27366845
fuck off buzzword

>>27373087
What in my post makes it sound like I didnt get your point?

>>27373423
It isnt even superior to Johto, much less Kanto and Johto

Why do they give you the Super Rod before the Good Rod?

>>27367600
It's because Hoenn is pointed that direction compared to the other regions on a map right?

>>27376517
He put it in defense mode a la Yu-Gi-Oh!, I think. Turning it sideways.

>>27364783
Better than Unova.

>>27364999
Second best, Sinnoh exists.

>>27371724
>>27371472
>>27370185
Morons. The north end of cycling road is clearly uphill from the bottom. So the St Anne likely heads northwest from Vermillion to get under it.

Now those rocks down south are the true mystery.

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>>27364783

>>27376681
Why are you lumping me in with them? I was only talking about the water routes. Those rocks. Fuck you, white boy.

>>27364783
>No route between Celdadon and Route 2/Viridian City.

C'mon, game designers, get with it!

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>>27364783
why is she so perfect?

>>27364999
Honestly the best.

>>27378685
>region for ants

>>27378685
Such a beautiful region

>>27375564
That's what I found odd about Johto personally.
I mean it was a new region complete with it's own 8 gyms but why did it share the indigo plateau with Kanto? Not to mention all of the geographical changes that made no sense.

>>27378685
regions can't be female

>>27378931
ants with impeccable taste

>>27379029
>la regiòn
>la regione
>die Region
Are you sure?

>>27378960
I'd have preferred a path to My Silver as the E4

>>27379383
Impeccably shit maybe.
I prefer my campaigns to take more than 7 hours thank you.

>>27376900
That's the vp I know!

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>>27364999
>you will never explore the black spaces

I don't know how I can keep going on

>>27378960
Gen 1 and 2 were more like a traditional RPG where, incidentally, you could catch and battle with the normal mobs.

The main driver of them is the evil team, not collecting badges or legendaries. And legendaries were just bosses. There were no pure ghost Pokemon because the types just describes the normal mob: you wouldn't expect a pure of every element in a Final Fantasy game.

So to expand past gen 1, gen 2 was more of a sequel in the traditional sense, so had to have throwbacks to gen 1.

Only with gen 3 did it really become a franchise, instead of a series, based around the collection of the Pokemon.

>>27381206
>Alola won't have any black spaces
feelsgoodman

>>27364783
Does the Safari Zone not fit in here?

Well for the most part, it basically set the base for literally every other world in the game. Nothing deviates from what Johto started.

>>27379977
I bet you also complain about being low 30's at the E4

>>27381692
A lot of places don't scale right with the maps in general

>>27364999
I'm glad the game was self aware to make the surf speed fast. If it had been any slower, Hoenn would have gone from second best map to fucking last instantly.

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>>27381692
The Safari Zone doesn't even work on its own.

>>27364999
Wtf, I hate water now

>>27382251
already made

>>27378960

They really made johto as a companion to kanto. The 8 new gyms are all based on types kanto didn't do. Though the 8 gyms plus elite 4 in kanto covered 12 types. The franchise just got to big. The anime, the other games, the toys, just everything. I would have much preferred games being more connected. I think they like squash rumors though. Routes being 101, or 201 and so on to not give hope to visiting past areas, no past characters and so on.

I just would have loved to have seen elite four stayed sort of....elite? I get that it's a different part of the world, but still people can shift. why not shift around elite 4? What if in gen 3 Agatha was there? Everyone thought she died, what if she just became an elite 4 somewhere else? What if next game has Will and Karen, but Koga and Bruno have left. Bruno could come back in gen 5, Koga in gen 6? Maybe Karen becomes a gym leader? (loldarkgym) I just found NPCs so utterly disposable. Just ideas. It's too late really.

I get the games are about the pokemon, but man does the fact this series was made by an autistic person really stick out when the people don't matter. People can get emotionally connected to fake people just like they can fake monsters.

Kanto was the best map of any generation though. It had actual nonlinearity.

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>>27371472