>Being this assblasted about the end of tedious breeding

Of course he's butthurt, he's verlis. It's his natural state of being.

>>27292860
we already have a thread

If you have actually wasted hundreds of hours riding the bicycle in the games back and forth nonstop, then that is really sad.

>>27292860
its clickbait you idiot
he doesn't actually beleive this, nobody is this stupid. he is doing this so that people like you will talk about it. a like or a dislike, a view is still a view. he knows that with all his wacky opinions on things his fanbase is dying, so he has to do dumb shit like this every once in a while.

>>27292902
>Implying I'll even click on this thumbnail

>>27292860
tedious breeding for a 5 IVs pokemon is a good thing.
Pokemon are natural creatures, they are not support to all have the same IVs. Everyone now can easily have the same pokemon for each specie.
GF are just spoiling kids.

Stop advertising his fucking channel every day if you hate him so much

>>27292928
>Natural creatures
>Ghosts, objects, clouds of smoke come to life, massive instant cellular mutation as a standard feature,

>>27292953
they are still natural in pokemon world.

>>27292928
No, riding a bike for hours to get a good pokemon is not a good thing. This is not difficult, nor fun, this is just retarded.
They have the occasion to transform this process into something that is not totally shit. Since the capsule needed for the training looks hard to find (The only one we know so far is obtainable an en event only Pokemon) They could be a reward of the next Battle Maison/Frontier for a huge cost of BP or something. Or with a mini-game like super training. But not fucking pressing the left or right arrows for hours

>>27292928
It's a game you idiot, they just made a horrible game mechanic easier to deal with.

You know it's optional right, faggots that are assblasted over it

>>27292928
>Everyone now can easily have the same pokemon for each specie
This was already accomplished in XY/ORAS though, all this does is speed up the process

>>27292973
And now so is training your Pokémon to evolve their genetic strength value
>Checkmate atheists

>>27292928
>hurr muh precious tedious mechanic
>hurr muh pointless lore implications
fuck off

>>27292902
Hi verlis

>>27292928
>what is showdown
>what are tournaments

>>27292902
Yeah, and that's a fast way to lose even more subscribers.

If he's retarded enough to believe pretending to be this dumb is a good solution to a dwindling fan base, he's stupid enough to actually believe the shit he spews.

>>27292860
now begins the age of tedious leveling and grinding bottlecaps :^)
the future is here

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>>27292860
>"fucked over legit players"
>by giving them more options to get perfect mons

pls stop posting that brain damaged dog fucker here

>>27292860
Stop shilling your channel for views and youtube $.
You don't even care about the dislikes, you want views and popularity to pay for you and you do it through pathetic reverse psychology tricks. Get furry aids and spread it among other cancertubers and die you clickbait masters.

>>27292860
This is great. I have a few shinies from friend safari with the right nature/ability. Now I can fix them to have the right IVs.

>>27292860
I'm out of the loop, is this the new hyper training? Is it IV training?

>>27293734
Yes but the details aren't completely clear yet, all we know is that it lets you max IVs at level 100

>>27293734
Yes. You can make all IVs of any level 100 pokemon be all 31. Thank god. Even your in game pokemon can be competitive given it has the right nature.

>>27292928
>Easily

No. They have to level up a Pokemon to level 100 that can take a good few hours, and we don't even know hoe yoy get bottle caps.

Breeding is still going to be better fuck nut. Did not spoil kids. What it did was stop thr need to soft reset legendaries

Legit breeding is all this guy had. Now everyone is gonna be legit, and he can't whine about illegal pokemon anymore when he loses.

>legitimate players
You mean ultra autismos that lurk smogon.

>>27292860

I don't understand how making an easier alternative to IV breeding is bad

It doesn't have to be tedious

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>>27293539
>I prefer riding a bike rather than battling to obtain a perfect pokemon

>>27293753
>>27293755
Well, then I don't see what the fuss is about. If we don't know the details, then it could either be good or bad. If Bottle caps are rare, breeding will still be a fall back. If it requires level 100, then fuck that, breeding is less tedious than grinding rare candies and/or levels.

>>27293840
There can't be anything bad about it, which is why people are making fun of this retard's videos

Even if people find breeding faster, the alternative is still good. Grinding levels is very quick in the new games, and it requires less thought than breeding since you'll just go to whatever facility and mash A. Plus it's the only option for things like legendaries, events and pre-gen 6 native Pokemon.

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>It's a "let's give irrelevant e-celebs attention because lol why not le eks dee" episode

It's a shame he hasn't been driven to suicide yet

>>27293823
Of course they do, because breeding is the only thing they're good at. They have boxes of 6IVs, but they'll never fucking use them, because they're shit at battling.

Does anyone know if you can reduce IV's with this? like for 0 speed ferrothorn?

>>27292895
Yes, but not because gf fixed it, only because you actually spent time in bicycle sim

>>27292870
Maybe he should use more lube.

>>27292928
I agree

>>27293017
>atheists
>believing in scientific enhancement of creatures means you are religious

>>27294197
He needs to find himself a new hobby.

>>27293909

The only reason I know anything about the guy is from /vp/ constantly bitching about him.

I actually like IVs since they add more variety to each Pokemon (and I didn't mind "bike simulator" because I thought it was fun to see if my eggs would come out the way I wanted) but it's kind of a useless feature if the only goal people have is to get perfect ones or 5 perfects stat and 1 with

They could have reworked the system but instead GF chose the easy way out which is a bit disappointing.

>The only meaningful IV numbers are 31 and 0
>You have to wrestle with RNG and a Bicycle to max everything out in the least engaging way possible
>Now you can just address the bullshit directly
>You still have to breed for nature and moves

Literally nothing to complain about.

>>27294211
It's a meme you dip

>>27292860
Honestly, this is the first time I agree with him, He is a retard normally, but Hyper training is pretty shitty, especially because it means the game will be over in 20 hours since pokemon doesnt have postgame anymore.

>>27296341
what?

Breeding isn't post-game, battling is, and this makes battling more convenient for a lot of people.

No more breeding rejects.
this relieves my heart
and my pc boxes

>>27296570
There was no postgame, which is why breeding was necessary padding. While I love that I will no longer have to soft reset for legendaries anymore, I am really saddened that pokemon no longer have 'genes'. Hyper Training really feels like it defeats the purpose of IVs, the whole "every pokemon is different" thing thats existed since gen one is kind of gone now, since one can easily make their pokemon exactly like every other one, since IVs are now part of the training process instead of the initial breeding process.

I would have MUCH preferred if something like Hyper Training existed, but was part of the breeding process, like if you could expose your eggs to various things that would guarantee IV's of parents be passed down or improve your odds at getting a 31 randomly generated or some combination of those, and have all non-breedables be hexaperfect from the start.

IV's have basically change from a pokemon's genes to just another stat to train, and now it feels kind of silly having EVs and IVs be separate when they are the same thing now.

Battling is all but removed anyway now, Masuda basically confirmed that we will never see a facility like the Battle Frontier again. Sun and Moon will very likely have a re-skinned battle tower / maison, probably that artificial island, and give no good incentives or motivation to complete it like the frontier pass in emerald.

>>27296773
Battling means online battling, you really don't need to breed to play against in-game facilities

Werster hates hyper training, as well, so Verlisify sadly has the right opinion.

>>27292902
literally who is verlisify?

good now all they need is a nature and abilities changer and autism simulator will no longer be a thing

>>27292998
It's the age-old issue of "If I have to do it the hard/tedious way then everyone else has to as well!"

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>>27292928
Why the fuck does this cuck fanbase have it so hard for wanting to get fucked in the ass with gameplay that's nothing but lazy ties to Random Number Generators as an excuse to extend game length?

The whole "All Pokemon can be strong" is shot in the ass with the very concept of IVs in the first place. It contradicts its own moral and forces people to rely on luck in order to get the most competitively viable Pokemon when Game Freak themselves are pushing the competitive angle as a replacement for post game

IVs are cancer, especially with the existence of simulators that make in-game battling almost null

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>>27293756
Grinding to level 100 is pretty easy now with traded Pokemon, Lucky Egg and Pokemon Amie as benefits for EXP gain . You just need an area with strong Pokemon to grind on

Plus if there's any benefit to the new EXP Share it's a late game way to keep levels consistent and soon you got yourself the perfect team

This might be the best Generation for competitive yet

>>27292928
>pokemon are natural creatures

damn this is now a cringe thread

I actually defended Verlisify because I do share his sentiment on cheaters being fuckers that destroyed the community.

However he has officially gone full retard with this shit.

>>27292860
Don't forget soft-resetting competitive Legendary Pokemon.

I am disappointed with the recent adjustments to the game mechanics that only seeks to tarnish the once pristine image of the Pokemon Franchise. Individual Values were the sole feature that separated the true dedicated Elite Pokemon Trainers from the soulless casuals who did not even notice Individual Values existed in the first place. It was the constant practice of determining the invisible random set of values which made the game so enticing for many Elite Trainers who sought a challenge of the unseen. The audience could not perceive it, but its presence in the game was truly known in battle.

For Game Freak to appeal to the Faceless Horde of Masses, solely as a marketing strategy directed at consumers to consider purchasing their latest poor attempt of renewing a video game franchise past its prime, is pathetic. Modifying individual values is an atrocity that only benefits those not willing to put into the effort of obtaining legitimate, competitive Pokemon. What is the purpose for this other than to appeal to the lowest common denominator, while humiliating the true fans of this franchise by practically stating to them publicly their hundreds of hours of obtaining IV competitive Pokemon were meaningless?

I cannot believe I spent years perfecting the craft of competitive IV attainment, supporting a video game development studio with fervent devotion, only to have my loyalty ridiculed by the very studio I believed was above listening to the pathetic masses unworthy of their attention.

>>27298552
>gameplay that's nothing but lazy ties to Random Number Generators
you really know how to breed a pokemon with 5 IV, nature, ability, egg move and specie, right?

>>27298759
Paragraphs like this are the exact type of writing I'd believe would come from people who thought IVs were a good idea

>>27298614
It's way too easy. Using restaurant in gen VI I train from lvl 1 to 100 in less than an hour.

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>>27298797
>IVs
Destiny Knot
>Nature
Everstone
>Ability
Hidden Abilities pass down if the parent has it. Otherwise it's 50/50
>Egg Moves
A parent has to know it
>Species
Mother's

Axing IVs just removes several generations of trying to pass down IVs through the necessity of the Destiny Knott. The rest is incredibly simple in comparison

>>27296341
Thinking that a mechanic that finally makes cheaters utterly irrelevant is "fucking over every legitimate player" is the wrongest that you can be, I'm sorry.

>>27297134
3DS has no mobile data connectivity, I can't battle during my commutes.

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>>27298759
This reminds me of that Arcanine guy from Showdown. Anyone has a link?

>>27292973
>Mewtwo
>Porygon

>>27292973
>porygon
>klink
>golett

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>>27298759
>>27298759
>practice of determining the invisible random set of values
>Glamorizing a tedious grinding process that prevented many players entering the competitive based on a concept you even admit is predicated on manipulating the results of invisible random set of values.
How salty can you people be? Trainers no longer have to spend days, sometimes weeks, breeding or soft-resetting certain Pokemon.

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>>27298759

>>27298759
He's just baiting, right?
R-right?

Does anyone know if it will be possible to remove IVs, as in to get 0 IV in Attack or 0 IV in Speed, or will we still need to breed for 0 IVs?

>>27300065
You'll probably need to breed for any specialist stuff, like 0IV's, Egg Moves, and obviously Natures.

Does this work with transfered over pokemon or just new ones?
Do we not have that info yet?
Injectfags btfo btw

>>27300175
Well, it works with Lvl 100 pokemons, so I guess their is no reason that Lvl 100 transfered pokemons wouldn't be able to do it

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>>27292860
>Verlisify
Why are people even subbed to this dog collar wearing, teen-Abraham Lincoln looking motherfucker?
All he does is pick fights with more popular poketubers and then act like he's the victim when he gets backlash for it, and bitch about people playing a video game different than him

"Waaah waaah, people are having fun wrong!"
Shut the hell up you weird looking fuck.

I know you lurk /vp/, Verlisify, you little shit.
Grow the fuck up

>>27292928
sounds like you haven't sold that bike yet

You still breed for egg moves.

You can still breed for 0 ATK.

You can still breed for shiny, and now you don't have to worry about such high odds of an imperfect shiny.

You can still bike simulator if you want.

>>27292902
>nobody is this stupid
I don't believe you

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>>27302951
i have a feeling this is something verlis would like, don't give him what he wants

>>27298759
Uh, dude, I broke the clock on bike simulator and I have no issue with this change. EV allocation, movesets and teambuilding will continue to separate the wheat from the chaff.

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>>27302951
Is it already that time of day again?

First time on /vp/ in some months, what have I missed now? Don't wanna give that guy clicks. What is this about?

>>27303003
Yeah, but he's mad that people will just gen the bottle cap items and use the genned items to create a legitimate Pokemon through hyper-training

>>27298759
Wasting your life playing competitively =/= loyalty

>>27303082
They've created a way to alter a Pokeemon's IVs in the new games by trading an in-game item for training

Verlisifag is mad that people will just gen the item and use them to get legitimate compeititve Pokemon in-game

That's about it

>>27303140
Ah, okay. I've been trying to kinda avoid Pokemon news until the game's release because I plan to actually buy a Pokemon game for the first time in like 5 years, and want to keep an element of surprise. This sounds like a good thing however.

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>>27303105
Um if I could gen a bottle cap then I would just gen a perfect pokemon.....

>People in ubers were already injecting or hacking perfect shiny raquaza's and nobody gave a fuck

>You can now do it legit

WHO FUCKING CARES

>>27303140
>genning the item
>not just genning the Pokemon
We he born this stupid?

>>27303180
It's a very good thing.
Even though Gamefreak really streamlined breeding in gen 6, it still had it's faults

With Hyper training, being able to manipulate IVs, something that was previously completely unalterable, means we just need to breed for things like Egg moves or natures, then hyper-train the Pokemon for the IVs we want instead of hatching egg after egg hoping we get the specific IVs we want.

Although, the hitch here is that the Pokemon needs to be at level 100 before it can hyper-train.

>>27303238
Verlisifag is obsessed with VGC tournaments and vehemently anti-Smogon, so you gotta remember that he's thinking official tournaments here.

Genned Pokemon can be detected and traced in various ways. genned items can't.

>>27297195
Werster wants to fuck little girls, opinion discarded.

>>27303256
>Although, the hitch here is that the Pokemon needs to be at level 100 before it can hyper-train.
Eh, I bet there will be some kind of power training facility, like those triple lvl 100 Blissey hideouts. Still, for good breeders it might be less of a hastle to just breed the IVs onto the mons. It's really annoying to have to constantly press A for "Dickhole grew to level XY!", Dickhole's stats being displayed, its stat growth being displayed, and every few level an obnoxious disruption of "Dickhole wants to learn Pissfuck." where you can't just mash A. I hope that gets streamlined, or that we atleast get the option to disable those displays.

Can you do hyper training as often as you want?

>>27303294
Really, bottle caps are looking to be a continuously found item anyway, who cares if they just give themselves 999 of it?

Alright let me just make sure I have this right. So with Hyper training, I can have my main-playthrough level 100 adamant nature Slaking have it's attack maxed out with the use of bottle caps?

>>27303375
>Cheaty faces hack pokemon game to give themselves perfect pokemans
>Pokeman team gives regular players an option to counter them while also being something more competitive players can rely on instead of wasting their lives constantly breeding
>Some autistic inbred faglord starts whining about it.

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>>27292928
>Pokemon are natural creatures
So what happens to the discards that don't have the right amount of IVs and natures?

>>27303375
Verlisify, apparently.
Listen, man, don't try to understand Verlisify.
One can drive themselves mad trying to unravel the mysteries that lay at the heart of a moron

>>27303408
Yes. The Pokemon you picked up in your playthrough that you've grown to love, can now be made competitively viable

>>27292928
Verlisify, plz leave

>>27303461
If you consider natural to be a construct made of energies inherent to this world and possessing no organic structure.

>>27303550
i forgot these ""

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>>27292860
It's hilarious watching people throw a fit over this.

>>27303294
How can genned Pokemon be traced, beyond the genner being a moron? Game freak seems to have a hard time telling the difference between a genned Pokemon and a "legitimate" one.

>>27292928
This is why I saw they should just get rid of them altogether.

I kinda hope that this doesn't actually change their "innate IVs" because the level 100 requirement means fuck all if it actually affects their "genetics" and allows you to breed them with their new Übermensch DNA being passed to your hopefully shiny offspring.

And you do still need to breed for most pokemon, because of egg moves and all that.

And now it's even easier to get perfect IV shinys.

I normally shit on Gamefreak for making things easier but this is an exception. Breeding was never fun.

>>27302887
I feel sorry for him. I press like on all of his videos just to make his haters more angry.
I think that he should make more videos bashing smogonfags and other cringy pokemon youtubers.
I also don't care that he is a furfag because most of normies hate furries.

>>27292860
I really hope Hyper Training lets you get other shit like natures and egg moves so he gets even more buttblasted

>>27303901
You're expecting too much from GF. Having each Pokemon of which they're over 700+ of them in the game already, with the addition of innate IV separated from its modified one is just too much of a hassle and really doesn't serve much of a purpose. We're talking about the same studio that got lazy with the male clothing in X/Y, doesn't even bother changing the really outdated Pokemon cries, and didn't even have character customization for ORAS.

People are commending Nintendo for correcting a problem they created, a problem any other competent studio would have rectified immediately. It took Nintendo literally decades to addressed it.

This will be very good as long as it's not too easy to do. This will allow you to do those tricky breeds like passing down a specific move, nature, etc and then get those perfect IVs after the fact.

>>27292973
so why cant hyper training be natural?

>>27292991
>riding a bike for hours to get a good pokemon is not a good thing.

Crippling your thumbs isn't good either.

I am utterly aghast with these newfangled acclimations to the game mechaniques that only seek to tarnish the once pristine fascimile of The Pokémon Franchise. Individual Values were la seule caractéristique that disembodied the bona fide Elite Pokemon Trainers from the soulless ersatz casuals who did not acknowledge l'existence d'IVs on the fountainhead. It was the like the Rock of Gibraltar to practice cinching the obscured fortuitous domain of values which made the game très enticing for multitudes of Patrician Trainers who sought a challenge of the unseen. L'audience perceived it not; nevertheless, its presence in the game was manifested in its ubiquitous engagements. For Game Freak to appeal to the Faceless Horde of the Unwashéd like a servile hound dog, wholly as marketing manœuvre aimed at consumers to flirt with l'idée of acquiring their penultimate sorry, pitiful and I mean pitiful endeavor of regurgitating a franchise past its prime, is pathétique. Modifying Individual Values is an atrocity that only benefits the Unwilling for the undertaking of legitimate, dog-eat-dog 'Mons. And for what purpose is this other than to appeal to the Lowest Common Denominator, all the while humiliating the grandest of zealots in this muckuppery by essentially elucidating to them publiquement the innumerous myriads of hours obtaining competitive Pokémon were, shall I say, in VAIN?

I am astounded for the years perfecting the craft of competitive IV attainment, supporting a video game development studio with fervent zealous devotion, only to have my loyalty lampooned by the very studio I believed was above hearkening to Les Misérables unworthy of their attention.

/disdain

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>>27304901
Good shit, fellow anonymous
Saved

>>27304901
Nice.

Please let this become pasta

Hyper training does work better for a kids game, not just because its easier but it sends a different message.
As it stands now it basically tells kids that the quality of your life is determined entirely by luck, before you're even born.
Hyper training tells them that you can overcome your circumstances and become the best through hard work and determination. So overall a better message for children.
the first one is true though

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>>27298759
>Was about to respond, but see this post first:
>>27304901
Bravo. Accolade.

>>27292860
Hyper training is garbage. Should've just made breeding and pasiing down IVs a little easier with an item. It won't break competitive, you still need to make a team, strategy, and move sets.

>>27305200
Verlisify, please go

>>27304901

Holy Kek

It helps people who don't really want to devote a lot of time to breeding eggs over and over
I'll still breed because I like it. I can just transfer over my stuff and breed anyway because near perfect IV breeds are easy as shit these days

If you don't like this you're whining over some shit you don't even NEED to do.

The guy literally said he hated Woobat and Swoobat because "He's a boy and he doesn't want pink hearts in his game."

That was 100% of the reasoning. I don't like Woobat and Swoobat much, either, but... fuck man.

>>27293753
>>27293753
How do we know this?
I don't see anything in the most recent video which indicates anything other than 'super training is back.'

>>27306889
"In Pokémon Sun and Pokémon Moon, you can draw forth a Pokémon’s power to its utmost limit with Hyper Training.

Pokémon grow stronger by raising their levels and increasing their base stats. However, their power is still affected by the individual strengths innate to each Pokémon. Now, with Hyper Training, Pokémon that have grown to Lv. 100 will be able to increase their individual strengths, which has never been possible before.

With Hyper Training, you can increase the strength of the Lv. 100 Pokémon you’ve been adventuring with!"

-the official site

But wouldnt the new system make 1-3iv pokemon useful other than being trash? I mean id still breed for 4-6ivs still then use this to fix anything thats needed to be fix.

>>27306832
>too manly for pink hearts
If he doesn't want to look like a faggot, he should probably lay off the yiffing and dog collars.

But fuck, this made me mad. IVs are the worst thing about Pokemon, which flies in the face of the power of friendship they're always trying to push, and Game Freak has finally done something about it.
Injecting is still faster, but now you're not actively punished for wanting to do it the legitimate way, and you can use your in-game team if you really want, too.

We're still gonna have VGC tournaments full of the same team over and over again, but at least preparing for competitive isn't a fucking drag anymore.

OP is the guy who created the video you idiots. Sage goes in every field.

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>>27292860
I see hyper training as a double edged sword.

On the one hand; makes Pokemon that you catch in game become viable, which fits GF's rule of "being able to grow strong bonds with your Pokemon."

On the other hand, it invalidates what IVs even fucking are to begin with, it's supposed to be Pokemon DNA, so being able to easily tweak these stats whenever makes the uniqueness entirely worthless.

>>27298136
A nigga I cannot take seriously because he wears a fucking dog collar OH GOD THE CRINGE

What cracks me up is that getting to 100 and then hypertraining to perfection, plus possibly breeding for Nature and Egg Moves, will still take long enough for most Injecters to just keep injecting. Yeah, it cuts down the required hours by maybe 70%, but you just cannot beat five minutes tops for whatever configuration you want, ever.

>>27310462
>it invalidates what IVs even fucking are to begin with, it's supposed to be Pokemon DNA
this!
>people want more variation in pokemon appearance (a whole shiny palette, different breeds, below and over average in size,...)
>they don't want variation in stats, nature and abilities

>>27310541
It makes legitimate legendaries a lot easier to obtain which is the best addition

>>27310560
>People want variation in things that don't affect gameplay adversely
>People don't want variation in a way that makes one choice objectively better

I fucking wonder.

>>27303294
Didnt someone use a dream ball aegislash, an impossible Pokémon in a box tournament? Didn't someone else use a shiny machoke? You assume this machoke has near perfect, if not perfect, ivs and it's shiny, what are thwe agronomy call odds of that?

Basically box has allowed cheaters to prosper in drives I fight full shiny teams of people who have only hatched 80 eggs on past all the time. This gives nin cheaters something to actually use since it's obvious to me the Pokémon company cannot stop cheating and basically ignores it in its own tournments

>>27299441
>>>27279115

>>27292870
Who the fuck is verlisify?

And sorry for him, but it's not enough.
Give me the Natures who can be changed at any time. (more like a battle orientation you choose for your pokemon)
Give me common EV who can be distributed and obtained through level ala RPG.
etc etc...

Unless we can't have the possibility on end-game to make ONLY ONE "perfect" Pokemon in ~~30 minutes (with EVERYTHING : nature, moves, ev, lvl, etc...), it'll still be shit!
Farm farm farm farm farm...GODDAMNIT! IT'S FUCKING TEDIOUS!
We are in 2016, we have too much pokemon and possibilities, STOP THIS SHIIIT!

Peoples will always do injection or play only on simulator because of this OLD system.

This guy is crying for this blessed features...but that's not enough...NOT ENOUGH FOR FINALLY KILL THE BREEDING! (and the farm)
It's literally seems just useful for the first 6 iv mon/ditto, legendary and shiny!

(Sorry for the broken english, I'm a frenchfaggot)

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>>27304901

>>27310726
a faggot

>>27310462
>it's supposed to be Pokemon DNA
[Citation Needed]

>>27310726
OP promoting his own material

>>27310408

get your anus ready for 6 mimiku meta.

>>27303022
Nah
He probably lurks on VP and the rest of the forums
figures out the popular view
and goes contrarian for controversy and views
then posts about it anonymously on vp and reddit and any other forum

>>27310705
Thanks mate.

>>27292860
Isn't Verlisify that guy who attacks good competitive VGC players because he sucks himself?

Why does it matter whether you gen a Pokemon or autistically breed a perfect Pokemon again?

Both a perfect "legit" mon and a genned perfect mon will have the same stats, same moves, and will perform the same way in-game and in competition. If you use Pokemon Showdown or some other battle-sim, it's the same thing.

Why is this such a big deal? The only difference between players should be in their preferred Pokemon and their skills, not the methods in which they are obtained.

>>27313729
because it's still hacking.

imagine cheating in a MMO to get top gear without effort. in PvP it'll perform exactly like other top gear, but instead of working for your reward you cheated like the stupid retard you are

doing it in pokemon is even more pathetic than that

>>27304901
One of the best post of the year

>>27313729
>breeding is autistic and cheating isn't
>playing the game as its meant to be played is autistic

>>27313756
Most MMOs do let you do just that, for a price.
Hell, nowadays most MMOs just throw you free level boosts and equipment for free, because they understand how annoying it is to grind.

>>27313826

Breeding takes hundreds of hours to get perfect natures, IVs, moves, etc.
Creating a perfect mon through "cheating" takes minutes.

Most people don't have the time to do things "legitmately" through some tedious horrendous game mechanics. It shouldn't take forever just to play the game on a competitive level.

Pokemon Team could circumvent the problem by just removing IVs and keeping breeding for moves/natures. However, if you even want to be competent in Pokemon, you need perfect IVs. It's complete bullshit.

>>27313899
>hundreds of hours
Mother fucker I hatch 6 IV mons in like an hour or two. This isn't fucking gen V.

>>27315357

Bullshit. Once you get your shit together maybe, but it takes a while to start amassing good IV parents for every egg group, then looking up egg moves on bulbapedia, and then finding another parent with the right nature, and finding a mother with the ability you want. Once you've amassed all that it's easy as shit, but most people don't want to get that far

>>27315403
>Bullshit. Once you get your shit together maybe, but it takes a while to start amassing good IV parents for every egg group
I literally went to WFG and asked for leftovers. I got others on fucking wondertrade.

Besides, ignoring that almost all Pokemon don't need 6 31s. Most only need 5 which takes like fucking twenty minutes to breed.
>WAHHH INJECTING IS EASIER!
Oh grow up. So is cheating on your taxes, doesn't make it anymore right just because it isn't punished. They went out of their way to make breeding so easy that anyone can do it. You're the autistic one here for cheating despite that, it's like you don't want to work for good things at all.

Seriously I imagine every injector to be on autismbux, flipping burgers, and/or living with mommy and daddy. They have no concept of work ethic.

>>27304108
kill yourself

>>27315446
>They have no concept of work ethic.
>work ethic
>a game played in your spare time for fun should be treated like a full-time job
Yes, I'm sure the people who DON'T feel this way are the unemployed ones.

It's a videogame. The multiplayer aspect shouldn't have an entry barrier of dozens upon dozens of hours of unfun slog. Anyone who disagrees has objectively shit taste in videogames, because they are supposed to be THINGS YOU DO FOR FUN.

They are entertainment media. They are not jobs that you grind through for a paycheck, they are pastimes designed to amuse and entertain for short periods.

I don't even do the injecting thing because I personally feel like it takes a lot of the fun out of the game but don't fucking sit there and judge people for wanting to skip an ENORMOUS and entirely unentertaining grind.

>>27294338
30 and 1 for HP

>>27310462
> it's supposed to be Pokemon DNA
Shit you're pulling out of your ass

IVs are going to be completely removed in Gen8, Alleluja!
Only natures shall be kept and that's it.

>>27316923
>>27311274
You wouldn't be able to pass them down via breeding if it weren't intended to represent genetics.