Defend this.

It's a good region.
Sorry it doesn't have forced, slow riding segments.

>>27270031
First is best!

>>27270031
Is that Sinnoh?

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Defend THIS

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>>27270057
Same generation, much better map, even with water route spam

>>27270110
No, because Kalos was garbage
Any other region, I could describe each route to you. But with Kalos I don't recognize half of it.

>>27270110
Wow, it looks like a mess when viewed all at once.

>SUDDENLY SNOW

>>27270110
I can't

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>>27271387
That's one heck of a land bridge.

>>27271207
>SUDDENLY SNOW
You do see that is supposed to be the peak of a high mountain, even in dessert areas mountains can be high enough to have snow

>>27270115
everyone always gives hoenn shit for MUH WATER but they did it in a way that never felt that intrusive. i mean, discoveirng mossdeep's rocket tower and sootopolis cityh by diving was such a "holy shit" moment. the regi islands were also a cool feature.

>>27271387
This doesn't include the fight area which is another 5 routes plus mt stark and some towns

>>27270031
What's to defend?

>literally started everything you currently enjoy
>was a forced railroad until the e4
>nearly all games are forced railroad until e4
>constantly had people restarting to find something under that goddamn truck
>or restarting to unglitch their winning teams if they did the dupe cheat
>currently has a sub-2 hour speedrun of all 151 with e4 best

I mean, if you wanna be a dick....

>>27272504
Wait, my bad. Forgot that it's the rerelease.
>I only saw the outline
Carry on.

>>27272504

I dont know what your definition of railroading is. To me BW/XY definitely railroaded you in the sense that you were constantly told what to do and forced to stick to the plot. Prior to 5th gen, none of the games really forced you to advance in that fashion.

RBY were one of the most open ended Gens that you could do the gyms in almost any order. You only needed the badges required for HMs.

>>27270031
The mapping definitely shows its age. Look how several of the routes have some kind of traditional RPG maze-like layout. The layout of the fences on Route 13 and the boardwalks on Route 12 feels so impractical and forced

>>27270091
how the fuck can you not recognise kanto

>>27273848
>open-ended
>First gym literally has that man spoonfeeding you to beat the first gym
>Second gym has a policewoman cockblocking a robbed house
>Forth gym and Fifth gym is unskippable if you want to proceed to Cinnabar.
>Literally forced Safari Zone grinding to get that HM and that warden's Gold Teeth.
>Eighth Gym is locked until you beat all other seven gyms and actually dealt with Team Rocket plot.

I'd argue that the most open-ended would be Johto.

>>27271387
dat snow part was so comfy

>>27270031
I think everyone's missing the point of this post

Think about Vermilion City. How did the SS Anne just cruise out of there? Isn't Vermilion supposed to surrounded by open ocean?

>>27274044
It's simple.

Bicycle Road is simply a huge drawbridge.

>>27270031
5 out of the 9 main towns have more than one entrance and one exit, meaning they are more intricately connected than virtually any other Gen. In terms of freedom, FRLG easily have the best map.

The only Gyms you have to do in order are the first 3. You can tackle the others, and Team Rocket, in virtually any order you'd like (the only exception being Cinnabar, which requires Surfing ability, but is also one of the towns that only has one entrance and one exit anyway).

>>27274186
>first three
Vermillion City can be skipped. Pewter, Cerulean, Celadon, Fuschia, Cinnabar and Viridian cannot.

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>>27270031

>>27271746
This made me realize there's no named mountain in Kalos.

>>27270031
We doing this thread again?

I don't mind because I liked it last time. Hopefully we get some high quality HGSS maps now

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>>27273948
>mfw we get a remake of diamond and pearl with sun and moon graphics

>>27270115
Put like this Hoenn looks like it would be a great place to live in.

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Defend this.

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>>27275126
k

>>27274122
Or, y'know, just tall enough to let it pass under

>>27273927

-If you wanna argue about accessibility you might have a point but this doesnt have anything to do with railroading.
-Valid.
-If you wanna surf beat Koga. So long as you do that you can even beat Blaine before Erika.
-Maybe when you were 10 it looked like a grind but it shouldnt take you more than 5 minutes.
-I forgot if its triggered by beating the rocket gang or your badge count but Ill let you have it.

Johto

>Cannot bypass the cave until you defeat Falkner
>Need to beat Bugsy to get cut
>Need to beat Whitney to get squirtbottle
>Need to beat Morty to use Surf
>Need to beat Bryce to pass the Ragecandy bar guy

The only gyms that are really interchangeable are 5 6 and 7. Even then I still dont remember too clear. You may not be held by the hand and told where to go but until the post-game you mostly have no choice.

>>27270110
I can't because the lack of snow around the actual snowy town triggers the fuck out of me.

>>27274257
holy shit, why did i laugh so hard at this...

In terms of just regions

Gen 4 = Gen 2 > Gen 5 > Gen 3 = Gen 1 > Gen 6

>>27271387
Feels a little misleading without Mt Coronet

>>27271076
same, I feel like sprites had more soul

>>27271387
>>27271905
also the couple of islands in the nortwest

>>27273917
I didn't recognize it. Thought it was Hoenn at first.

>>27274367
I just precame a bit

>>27270110
It's beautiful, comfy, has a lot of character, and great pokemon distribution

>>27271387
Disgusting garbage

>>27270031
>>27270110
>>27270115
>>27271387
All look the same to me.

>>27271387
hadn't realized how small most of those routes were. just the snow and swamp that were awkwardly drawn out

>>27275607
it's at the peak of its mountain, the snow only starts when you get high enough to enter the town. the pokemon village route totally needed to be snowy melting only at the innermost sections though.

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>>27270115
why is the landscape so nicely designed? there's so much detail

>>27275642
>Gen 6
switch place with gen 5 and 6

>>27271387
best region

>>27270031
It's better than Johto

>>27274243
Wrong again.

Brock -> Misty -> Everyone Else -> Giovanni

You do need to beat Koga to reach Cinnabar, but besides that it's open-ended.

>>27277171

Because while Gen 2 was coasting on Gen 1's coatails, Gen 3 went above and beyond its precedents.

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>>27270110
Defend it from Germany?

>>27278826
>Everyone between Misty and Giovanni is accessible
>Have to follow sequence to get to Blaine
Are you sure you know what words mean?

Anyone has one of these region maps for B2/W2?

>>27270110
Kalos was so good until you got Mega evolution. Then it was just a bossrush to your box legendary cause most of the routes felt short as fuck.

>>27279012
already posted
>>27275144

>>27271387
Sinnoh was God tier

>>27270031
How has nobody made a simple hack yet that fills in the big empty areas between routes and towns. Explore the top of the mountain rock tunnel is in, the forests southeast of Saffron, etc

>>27271387
>That small Sinnoh in the middle
It's like a Russian doll

>>27270115
Loved every second of it. The overall map is so well-constructed compared to the other games. It feels like you thoroughly traversed the whole region instead of going along a path.

>>27270031
>>27270110
>>27270115
Garbage.

>>27271387
>>27275144
God-tier.

>>27274122
>>27275354
That doesn't explain how it gets out after that. Look at all those buoys in the way.

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this tho

>>27280859

Johto is so fucking tiny.

>>27280859
Jesus fucking christ.
I felt like the regular G/S Johto was bigger.

>>27280591
I am also really bothered by that, anon.

Even more because it took me almost 20 years to notice

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>>27281359
not really

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>>27275126

>>27270031
It was on a gameboy at 1995

>>27271751
I still remember the first time I discovered Sootopolis
I think I actually discovered it while looking for Mossdeep.
Such a cool feeling to surface and realize I was in a city.

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>>27274367
>sinnoh remake in general
They can skip over that mess and we would be more than happy with that

>>27285880
I don't think they should do complete remakes, just revisiting regions like in GSC and HGSS.
And sun and moons graphical design/world design could warrant the rebuilding of older regions.

>>27283537
Care to post GSC Kanto too? I'd load it on vgmaps, but that's slow as shit.

>>27280859
>full game
>no Routes 47, 48 and the Safari Zone

>>27275642
I agree

I'd switch Gen 4 and 5 though

>>27278905
Yeah it could just be the power of the system or anything