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Christmas in July edition. Last thread >>27188001

PSMD download: http://pastebin.com/uR5bKJkw (NOTE: The English upload is down for the time being, and I don't have a spare on hand since I didn't upload that.)

Check the guides at >>>/vg/hbg if you don't know how to install the game. You won't lose any online feature or anything doing so, don't worry. You will be able to do everything that you'd normally be able to and much more.

Exploration Pack (Sky, Blue RT, DS emulator, rom editor for custom starters, all WiiWare games region-free): https://mega.nz/#!Pt9GQZgR!KWFSUTYSh3ylhXFpbjozzzuAcC2-GaFhNaOuq67q1RM

/vp/'s Mystery Dungeon guides: http://pastebin.com/Dbq61R5u

Adventure Squad Menus: http://pastebin.com/ELBEWBai

PSMD Wondermail codes: http://www.cpokemon.com/2015/11/24/todas-las-contrasenas-wonder-mail-

Super Mystery Dungeon FAQ: http://pastebin.com/aY45shVA

Super Mystery Dungeon Treasure List + Locations: http://pastebin.com/1xsZmqgJ

REMINDER: If you need a rescue, post your region. Due to a few things that make no sense, rescues are region locked. It's shitty, but be sure to mention if you're European or American. If you use the .cia in this post, your region should be listed as American.
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Is it worth playing Super's post-game if all I care about is the story? Some of the quotes you get for rescuing crack me up but fuck doing 29 floors just for that.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9iMmNEiOw8
Will there ever be anything else that's going to rival Dialga's Fight to the Finish?
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>>27258782
Palika's onslaught, second dark matter phase etc.

Weird how I can name +50 fantastic dungeon themes but really only two good pieces of boss music.
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>>27258742
Nah, you don't have to do it. It's fun sometimes like you said, but it can be a drag or just frustrating to go through some of the dungeons and boss fights. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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>>27258902
There are way more dungeon themes than boss battle themes.
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6th for Deerling is the cutest explorer as of now
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>>27258928
They really really need to stop reusing that Rescue team Boss theme. Rescue team didn't even have a proper composer, Ito's the guy who gave the franchise the music it deserved.
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>>27258982
>proper
Yeah, how?

>Ito
Come on. We don't even know who actually composed what. Why are you picking him in particular? No, him also composing for GtI and Super doesn't really matter.
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>tfw I stole from Kecleon
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>>27259184
You hear it's him, he's the only one competent enough to use polyphony and homophony.

I'll make it easy to understand, most "composers" use a melody and a beat. The boss theme is a melody and a beat, Great Canyon is a melody and a beat and so on. Least required effort, you can hum this shit into existence.

Then we get to Ito, or one of those guys, I don't know if it's Ito specifically. Listen to this for example.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2PW348F_vY

Notice how there's a separate melody playing scales in the background? That's polyphony and offers several times the content of a normal song, at least to a trained ear. However as you can imagine it's difficult to do, both melodies need to intersect and a single misplaced note ruins the whole thing, even the mainline games don't have a composer of this caliber.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VC_6CjQVW6w

Another example - How many different tracks are playing simultaneous? Notice how the initial melody fades out as the rest rise in intensity? Managing to pull this off on a goddamn DS is nothing short of magic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWxU8XBlMq4

He's also a fan of homophony which you can see around the 0:20 mark, basically getting FULL CHORDS to play alongside the main melody. Blew me the fuck away when I first played Gates.
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>>27259464
Thanks for your reply, I actually enjoyed it. I see what you mean now. I think that they're still enjoyable though, and maybe having some tracks being simpler than the other isn't necessarily a bad thing. I guess.

I like how GtI dungeon tracks change towards the middle. I guess that's what you're referring to?


Not really related to anything you said, and also kind of pointless, but I'll say it anyway. I think the general boss theme works well for generic boss battles. I don't know why exactly, but it just seems to fit. I get the same feel from the two boss battle themes from Cave Story. Maybe it's because I just got used to them while playing, I can't really rule that out.

Do you think they could build on simpler tracks and make them like that, making the boss battle theme more complex while keeping the base in a way that doesn't sound forced? Or do you think they should just compose a new one altogether?
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>>27259809
It's not really designed for it. One classic route is to just add another segment to the song, for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoJ7YFUotTA&list=PLDABBD9A9D77283F0

Getting a new segment like this (1 minute mark)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4rGJM17vHs&list=PL7B2C09A05AD004FE&index=3

Or this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2l7ZC8i1Ck

Getting a new segment like this (1:20)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3NSDcpoj4TU

Anything's better than just updating the instruments, it's so boring. Anyway, it's one blemish on what's otherwise a masterpiece and a quick reminder of why I fucking love PMD so much, aside from the story and characters.
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>>27258943
I'm OK with her, Goodra needs someone to date who's not Espurr. Because if it was Espurr then I'd have to fucking kill him.
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>fight beheeyem
>die in one shot
>cutscene shows that you win anyway
what was the purpose
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>>27262031
>Lose 4 reviver seeds
>Go all out and spam my most powerful items to win
>"I-I was merely pretending"

At least I got to show off in front of Espurr.
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>move misses 3 times
>become confused afterwards
>two steps away until you reach the stairs
>warp trap sends you back to the opposite side of the map
>npc dies
>can't use revive all orb and have to waste a seed

I didn't think RNG would buttfuck me this hard.
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>>27263254
>those times when you and the enemy miss
>sometimes multiple turns in a row
It's like Russian Roulette, it's great.
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Don't open this.
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>>27264904
>When the enemy's Hyper Beam narrowly misses you
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>>27264913
I'm still mad
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>this ending
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How can you tell a move's level?
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>>27267724
The symbol above the progress bar is a Roman numeral.
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>>27264913
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>>27264913
Fucking triggered. Are you telling me a Chimchar couldn't have scampered up, grabbed an apple, and ran like the wind? REEEEEE
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Apparently hacking and editing evolutions in Sky is possible:

https://projectpokemon.org/forums/showthread.php?40199-Pokemon-Mystery-Dungeon-2-Psy_commando-s-Tools-and-research-notes&p=218214&viewfull=1#post218214
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>>27268970
>still nothing for Super
I just want to use my favorite mon combo
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>tfw no starter editor for RT
>tfw only Sky lets you edit starters

I just want to use an armless axolotl
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>there will never be a mod for SMD that immediately starts you out in the postgame
I never want to re-experience the trainwreck that is the second half/postgame story, but goddamn was completing the Connection Orb fun.
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>you don't get experience in the tree of life except for pelipper island
What the fuck? Why?
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>>27271677
>there will never be a mod which kills faggots with awful taste hating on the best part of the game

Hold me.
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>>27264913
There is NOTHING wrong with that.
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>>27272230
I'd love a mod like that too. That way anyone who hates on Serene Village would be dead.
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Hello there adventurer! Come on here and buy some new moves!
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>>27272972
HOL UP NEFARIOUS BASTARDE

Did we ever find out why only the spinoffs are allowed to have memorable characters while Pokémon are purely tools of destruction in the mainline games?
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>>27264913
>completely walks all over you in a cutscene
>gets killed off in a later cutscene
Like pottery.
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>>27273046
Not bad considering Gengar was the main antagonist in the last game. Threw me for a loop because I expected to take down a bully but ended up fighting several gods.
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>there will never be a Mystery Dungeon game where I can use my main series Pokemon
Pokemon spinoffs would be so much more satisfying if they could connect to the other games (eg. Ranger)
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>>27273206
>drifblim will never be a tenth as good as it is in pmd

why live
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>>27273206
>mfw it would devalue mythicals and legendaries
Here, let me hold that Mew I just recruit from Buried Relic.
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>>27273206
I guess you can edit your saves to create your Pokémon manually.
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If I haven't completed the main story, should I use motivated pokemon or just stick to the main characters?
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>>27274246
Do whatever you feel like. Motivated pokes help level faster, but depending on the pokemons you get they're harder to go through dungeons with.
I just did all the missions with my starters, sometimes bringing some of the cool story-related pokes with me, like espurr and mawile.
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Thanks bro, now I can't unhear it whenever there's no polyphony

Fuck my life
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>uncritted Slash deals over 200 damage to Jigglypuff
What's with these guys?
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>mfw you get wand expert for the solo prologue mission
>tfw you have over 30 stayaway wands at the end of the dungeon
First time I ever bumrushed through a mission like that, why was it a smart idea to place fire type starters in a Fire/Rock Dungeon alone?
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>>27271887
In case you didn't notice, you can't view your stats at all. If you looked at your save file, you'd see that you didn't even have a level. It wouldn't make sense to earn experience under such circumstances.
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>>27277017
They cracked down hard on the grinding in this game, which I didn't even notice because I never do it.

I like it, it makes supplies worthwhile since you can't waste more than you gain in case you get stuck on a particularly hard dungeon.
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>>27273016
Main games: focus on the trainers and their tools
Side games: focus on the pokemons themselves
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>>27277290
Can't even do that right. Name 1 (one) appealing trainer since gen 2.
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>>27277305
Steven.
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>RT's unused Possess Orb item
>if the leader falls in battle while holding it, their partner gets defeated instead and the leader takes their spot as if nothing happened
Guessing it's not used because a Reviver Seed's much better, but RT has some pretty weird items, like this and the Itemizer Orb.
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>>27277680
>Itemizer Orb
That's also in Sky (and most likely in AS too). Does it not exist in Super?
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>>27277979
Yeah, it's also in AS too, called ものがえだま. Strangely enough, using it on a tower in AS turns every mon into one item, rather than making multiple items drop.

Guessing the item, along with the Transfer Orb, was removed in Gates and Super because of how turning a Pokemon into an item that can be consumed or destroyed is worse than a lot of the bad things that happen in the games, and how turning someone into a different Pokemon with a common item might make the hero character seem less special.
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>>27278394
Heh, is it really like that though? Also it's not really a common item either.
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>>27275095
They have maxed out stats. It's why I highly recommended Jirachi in my guide, because you can buff to +10 defenses with Cosmic Power. That and they have Screech.
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>go to frozen falls to complete an expedition
>bring in my motivated team
>all enemy pokemon have over 100 HP
>hydro pumps and discharge eat up my stock of reviver seeds
>mfw i had to use an escape orb on floor 12 so i don't lose my gold bars
Holy fuck I could've done this run a lot better instead of looking for loot
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>>27281326
Yeah, found that out after recruiting him. He's got really high HP for a Level 48 mon that wasn't fed Sitrus/Life Seeds, too, which is pretty nice.
Still have yet to get Jirachi's challenge letter to show up, which is why I stuck with Jigglypuff instead. Her IQ skill lets the entire team level up or gain HP through Joy/Golden/Sitrus/Lifes, which is why she got so strong so fast compared to the others on the team.
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Some guy found a bunch of Explorers of Sky remixes hidden in Gates to Infinity's files. Thoughts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsXp7gCYl2k

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVzyqYpukEg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhTKxhGNdiM
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>>27282884
Wow, someone found it.
I actually found out myself a few months ago but I was shying away from posting them. I was reconsidering it just today. I didn't know about the Vast Ice Mountain one though.
Well, I guess I'm glad someone else did, it's better like this.
I'm actually surprised it took so long for people to notice though.

>Gates to Infinity's files
Not exactly, they're actually from the DLCs. I wonder why they haven't recycled them for Super.
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>>27283630
VIMP is in the future, maybe hard to squeeze that in. And Jirachi doesn't get his own dungeon this time around, though considering he played a fairly major part it shouldn't have been impossible.

Did Super even get any DLC? Feels like getting Special Episodes this way is a complete shoe-in, I'd pay for it.
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>>27283760
Well, Super isn't really that consistent in the way it uses music from the previous games.

>Did Super even get any DLC?
No, it never had any and they have never been planned either.
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>>27283801
Y tho? Granted the DLC in Gates was pretty pushy and obnoxious, like I'm going to pay for randomly generated dungeons, but I'm sure someone liked it.
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>>27283760
>VIMP
Uhm?
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>>27284502
oh its vast ice mountain peak im retarded ok
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Did anyone bother with linked moves in RT and Explorers, outside of grinding in the former's case? I never really saw much of a use for it.
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>>27284785
I sometimes used them, but not much.
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>>27284785
I linked Mareep's Charge with Discharge in Explorers, but nothing beyond that.
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>>27284785
Charge+Discharge is always fun, absolutely fucks over monster houses
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>>27285236
huh, why didn't I use that with Pika? does he learn Discharge?
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>>27285259
Pikachu and Shinx both learn it. Mareep learns it before both of them, which is cool.
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>>27285276
what level for Pika?
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>>27285288
Level 37. Looks like Charge is an egg move only for Pikachu.
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Been playing trough super for a while now still in the story mode, is there postgame story?

Btw swirlix a cute
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>>27285316
hmmm..... Riolu Pika combo Super?
or do I simply goes with literally the only combo possible, Riolu Special Doggo
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>>27285381
Oh, you meant Super. It gets Discharge at level 34 in Super.
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>>27285434
well I DID mean Red/Blue, I just went on about Super if I ever end up playing it
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>>27285462
Discharge doesn't exist in Rescue Team.
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>>27285494
fug
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>>27285517
Have fun with Thunderbolt in RT instead. Hits everything next to you, all around you. Not as good, but it's something.
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>>27285545
oh well, back to thinking about Super
Riolu and Discharge Pika, or Fire fox starter
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>>27285590
Pick Fennekin and Chespin
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>>27285623
those are not the choices I picked
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>>27285685
Chespin is cutest starter and isn't auradog
Fennekin isn't, but is cute enough
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>>27285337
There is a post-game story, but it's more like a wrap-up of the main story (an epilogue, if you will) and it's kinda short.
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>saved the world twice, whereas everyone else only did it once
>asspulled his way out of nonexistence
>can see the future meaning he can stop problems before they happen and solve puzzles with ease
>wins all his fights without using crutches like the scarves
>ends up getting the space globe, meaning he can travel through space and time
Is there anyone more powerful than the Explorers protagonist? What even happened to the older games' heroes?
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>>27286614
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>>27286614
The protag is pretty strong, but is there a pokémon that could even possibly EVEN TOUCH Drifblim? Let alone defeat him? And I’m not talking about Aftermath Drifblim. I’m not talking item holding Drifblim either. Hell, I’m not even talking about Ominous Wind Drifblim. I'm not even talking about Drifblim at max stats. I'm talking about PMD Drifblim with the Minimize buffs and Unburden (with no held item and being capable of both Gust and Shadow Ball), at quadruple speed from Unburden Ominous Wind, equipped with his Breeze Scarf, a Draft Ring, control of the IQ Skills and Quick Striker for a quad hitting normal attack, with stat drinks and Life Seeds implanted in him so he has 999 HP and 255 in all stats and can perform Ominous Wind spam while being an expert in shrinking and evading attacks, while also having an immunity to Electric and Ghost attacks from the Sky and Nether Globes, and also being permanently at double speed due to the Sky Gem, and having every beneficial swap item in the Treasure Bag for a grand stat total of 275 Attack, 269 Defense, 295 Special Attack, and 281 Special Defense, after using Ominous Wind enough to hit +10 to Attack, Defense, Special Attack, and Special Defense.
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>>27286614
If the scarves are a crutch then so is the Dimensional Scream.
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>>27286614
The Space Globe just means that they learned the true meaning of disappointment. Besides, chances are they just had a ghost balloon do it.
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>>27287479
The Scream's never used for fights, though, it's just used for stuff like "hey there's a cave behind this waterfall" and figuring out in-story puzzles and stuff, right? Compared to the Scarves which basically just exist to make you become buff for a couple fights/dungeons and then never again.
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>>27288600
You're right, I must have ignored the "fights" part of your post when I posted that. They still do basically the same thing; rather than relying on the play/partner's own strength, some deus ex machina superpower has to save the day for them. At least they have cool names.
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>>27288685
And they look cool overall.

>>27282884
P. nice, hopefully they get used some time soon.
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>>27282884
>Craggy Coast remix
That synth...
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Which dungeon is the best place to train moves?
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>>27290694
Probably one of the ones with Training Switches.
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how I'm supposed to beat Salamence without Sylveon on SMD?
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>>27291190
Brute force
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>>27286614
Rescue MC: Some bum, literally not even important enough to have Gengar's role. Strongest protagonist, beats up several legendaries like halfway through the game
Explorers MC: Basically pointless aside from saving Groovyle, which Celebi could almost certainly have done on her own. Worst foresight ever, falls for every single ruse.
Gates MC: Hard-working fellow just trying to get through another day of life. Probably the chillest mofo you'll ever meet
Super MC: Highly intelligent but extremely weak, needs to abuse items to not get ganked five steps outside the beaten path
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>>27291190
Sleep wand + blast seed
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>>27291581
Rescue MC: Was no particular need to have a human in the game,but as you said, was beating up legends by the half way point. Likely lifts for several hours a day to be able to smash through all problems in life.
Explorers MC: The dumbest MC, and was hard carried by Grovyle every step of the way, yet for some reason, inspires confidence within the partner. Gets tricked all the time in spite of having the dimensional scream.
Gates MC: Thoughtful and caring, yet still tough enough to pull his weight. Honest, hard working upstanding citizen.
Super MC: Weakest MC, and a total beta. Allows himself to get cucked out of not only main character role by the partner, but out of having any relevance in the story whatsoever.
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>>27291581
>>27292090
RT's protag sucks, because they can end up getting kicked out of their house forever by any random recruit.
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>>27292122
nah he has to give them permission first
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Is Shedinja really good if roided enough?
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>>27292148
It doesn't get HP from levelups. That's the only limitation. Have fun shoveling Life Seeds into it's nonexistent mouth. Just don't expect to use it in a level 1 dungeon
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>>27291581
>>27292090
Gates MC was also the only manly enough to fight the final boss alone
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>>27286614
>tfw pick treecko for blue ,sky and super
>tfw my autistic headcanon is that he was a legendary hero reincarnated in Super which explains why he's so skilled despite being a kid
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>"We can do it anon!"
>"The world is counting on us!"
>"Our friends our counting on us!"
>"We're the worlds last hope!"
>"Let's defeat this evil and save the world!"
>Get one shotted
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>>27292570
RT: The world is breaking apart and mystery dungeons full of terrifying Pokémon that try to kill you are everywhere!

>Pathetic resistance, two children oneshotting enemies with tackle

SMD: Hey you wanna go to Lively Town for some ice cream?

>Random assholes dealing out instant fucking death on every floor
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>>27291581
Rescue Partner: Overly friendly weirdo, everyone's doormat. Will give you his/her house and follow the MC to the ends of the earth for basically no reason. Deep psychological issues
Explorers Partner: Complete opposite, a selfish bastard using the MC to fulfill his/her own desires. It's OK though because he/she is cute and the MC is totally banging that. All in all fairly well-adjusted member of society
Gates Partner: Distrustful and calculating, puts on a facade of almost caring about other people but really just wants to rule over them in his/her own kingdom. Absolute megalomaniac, together with Quagmire possibly the real villain of the story
Super Partner: As not-Mew, a spaz dedicated to living life to the fullest. The kind of friend who always comes up with cool shit to do even if he/she puts you into trouble a lot. As Mew, responsible, self-sacrificing and cares a little too much about the well-being of others. Top tier friend tbqh
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>Polywrath River
>Heliolisk used Razor Wind
Why is this shit allowed?
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>>27293570
>Solar Cave
>Chimecho used Psywave
why is THIS allowed
>>27293103
>attract everyone
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Does anyone have this but with Explorers?
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>capped my HP and other stats
>now have to get 132 ginseng to cap every move
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>that doujin from the last thread has a sequel with Weavile getting the A.W.-D.
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I have a question: I recently recruited a koffing in the explorers of sky games to aid me in the trip to
the zero isle east dungeon.He's currently level 14 and I need him to evolve.What's the best place to EXP grind for him?
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>>27294414
Someone please post the translation, at least of the first part. It has too much story to get me going without being able to read moon.
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>>27294682
https://e621 net/pool/show/6552
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>>27294414
>AWD is breaking apart!

How about you don't break my fucking heart while I'm trying to enjoy my porn
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>>27294668
Try World Abyss. Enemies give good exp., Koffing's immune to Earth Power, and you might be able to recruit a Weezing there and finish up instantly.
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>>27295231
>Ywn counter Espurr's Jedi mind trick reading in a friendly game of poker by thinking lewd thoughts
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>>27294891
Website is dead, but thanks anyway senpai.
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>>27295231

Sauce?
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>>27296954
Don't bother, it's porn.
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>>27297285
>implying that doesn't make me want it more
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>>27297285
>it's porn.
I didn't care about the source before, but now I am mildly interested.
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>>27297285

You're talking to me as if I'm not a filthy degenerate.

In all seriousness, though, I'm morbidly curious about why that's happening.
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>>27297460
Getting her excited from what I can read.
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Rescue me

EU
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http://sulfurbunny.deviantart.com/gallery/

this isn't your average everyday OC...
it's actually pretty good OC. ties in main series, ranger, colloseum/XD, and events of EoT/D/S and RT in a surprisingly kid-friendly story aside from gengar saying 'ass' on like pg 17 or something
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>>27296692
oh shit nigger is that the celebi from explorers of sky?

I haven't played MD since then, maybe I will when I get a replacement 3DS
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>>27301538
Super references every game. Even the Wiiware ones
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>>27294414
There are seven doujins with Weavile lewds stories from that same artist (plus a few extra side ones).
Got them all a few years ago.
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What's a good Pikachu moveset for Super?

Currently I have Electro Ball, Fake Out, Nasty Plot, and Sweet Kiss.

My Riolu partner is just a mess of attacking moves.
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>>27301771
>Long time no see

Pretty cheeky for a rapist
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>>27302118
And a hairy rapist at that.
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>>27301771
I want to consensually impregnate the Weavile
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>use a boosting move for a boss I'm a little stuck on
>barrage activates
>use an attack he's weak to right away
>barrage activates
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>>27302989
>use Chespin's Rollout on Kyurem
>Barrage+Better Odds activates
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Why didn't you recruit him, /pmdg/?
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>>27303091
>use a move to inflict a status
>first one misses
>barrage lands

Are emera's literally THE best thing in Pokemon?
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Why does my Tbolt in super always seem to miss?
Does upgrading it end up bringing it much closer to 100%?
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>>27303453
I'd still say Super Mobile from Rescue Team is best thing in PMD.

>>27303497
Leveling moves increases their accuracy bit by bit.
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>>27303200
>falling for the Electrike/Wooper meme
These fucks are no better than any other recruit
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>>27303200
>picking electrike when mareep exists

>>27303553
I dunno man, Quick Striker, Trap Seer, and Damp are good as fuck.
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>>27303592
Electrike and Mareep seem about equal. On one hand, Electrike has his LightningRod ability along with Static (which both him and Mareep have) and access to Quick Attack, meaning he can attack from behind which is good for protecting a 4th party member in corridors, and when you're attacked in a room. On the other hand Mareep has much earlier access to Discharge and learns Cotton Spore.
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>>27303453
>Get hit by a high damage move by a boss (Kyurem)
>Toughness breaks and survive with one HP
>Use Reversal
>Barrage activates
Probably the quickest boss I've ever fought
Emera's are great
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So how many hours should I get out of smd?
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>>27304014
I think I took about 30 hours to finish the main story. You'll get a lot more if you go for 100%.
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>try some of Light AS's postgame dungeons
>everything either oneshots me or kills me in a few turns
This isn't fun
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>>27304014
>>27304221
100% was about 100 hours for me.
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>>27304221
>>27304292
Thanks familams
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If the AS translator anon's still here, I finally got all of Poochyena's IQ skills. They're all identical to his Explorers of Sky skillset, with the exception of Escapist, which is replaced with the Don't Evolve skill. It'd probably be less grindy to just use a Max IQ code for the Japanese version of EoS and then translate from there.

しんかしない=Don't Evolve
カンがいい=Stair Sensor
ねらいうち=Sharpshooter
ようりょうよし=PP Saver
はんげき=Counter Hitter
ついげき=Extra Striker
てがはやい=Quick Striker
すきまとおし=Gap Prober
しゅうちゅう=Concentrator
かたならし=Practice Swinger
どたんぼ=Clutch Performer
かみひとえ=Critical Dodger
どうぐマスター=Item Master
コースかくにん=Course Checker
うらぎらない=Nontraitor
じょうたいかくにん=Status Checker
わざだけつかう=Exclusive Move-User
いどうゆうせん=Dedicated Traveler
わなふまず=Trap Avoider
かいふくたいしつ=Self-Curer
しりょくじまん=Trap Seer
どうぐキャッチ=Item Catcher
すばやくかいひ=Quick Dodger
マグマきらい=Lava Evader
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>>27305458
>am i still here

I'm the OP half the time. Writing this down.
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Was evolution just an afterthought in Super or something? I feel like they slapped it on to appease the kids who really wanted to be Charizard and Lucario, but forgot that they only let you get one of every species otherwise. It makes Pokemon you evolved lost forever, something the series is usually good at preventing.
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>>27306232
You get a copy of whoever you play as so you're not locked out of those. I think the easy answer is that it probably would have made people angry if evolution was just straight up removed despite it not meshing with the Connection Orb, so yeah it's inclusion does seem like an afterthought.
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I have a problem that I would like some external input on.
In a hypothetical situation in which someone were making a PMD fan-game for the game boy color for fun, because they're a shut in with no friends and excessive amounts of free time, would you feel that having 32x32 floors would be too small for dungeons? A 64x32+ size map is possible, but the problem I have encountered in this completely hypothetical and not remotely real situation is in the map display.
for 32x32 floors the map can have 4x4 tiles and fill up the display almost perfectly, the entire floor is visible at a glance, but I'm worried 32x32 size floors might feel too small and limit the dungeon layout variety. If I decided to switch to 64x32+ size floors the entire map wouldn't be visible due to the gameboy's small screen unless I implemented a scrollable map or changed the maps tilesize. If I switched to 3x3 tiles I could display about 53 tiles of the floor, which is certainly better than being limited to 32 tile wide floors, but I think 3x3 tiles might be too small and it wouldn't be easy to make out the details of the map, like stairs and npcs and shit like that.
Does anyone have any thoughts on this? Do you think 32x32 floors are sufficient in this hypothetical and not real situation, or should I increase the floor size and reduce the maps tiles to 3x3/switch the map to a scrolling map?
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>>27307013
At the scale of a gameboy screen, I could barely make out the 3x3 tiles. But on an emulator, it'd be easy to just scale up the screen, which makes 3x3 look perfectly fine and 4x4 a little too big. I think larger floors is the way to go and I wouldn't mind having a scrollable map to get them.

Post some of your progress when you can, this sounds interesting and /pmdg/ could do with a little more activity.
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>>27307744
>Post some of your progress when you can
It's extremely unlikely I'll ever finish it. I'm a lazy shit, so I'll probably get bored with it eventually and abandon it like I do everything else, but if you're still interested I could upload my current rom to dropbox or something for you and anyone else to have a look at what little I have done.
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Let's say I want to keep Mew as my partner, anyone know how to go about that? The story progresses automatically so I figured I could prevent that by messing things up, but every time I rebuild the RomsFS the game just stops running.
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>go to super apple forest to finish an expedition with a motivated team
>ally reviver on floor 1
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>>27307013
The one on the left doesn't seem bad.
You might want to look at the Shiren games for the GB and some other GB roguelikes, maybe those will help you.
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>>27309462
Don't rebuild the romfs every time if you're just messing around. You're probably testing a lot, so using LayeredFS would be way better.
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>>27301604
Cute Gastrodon couple is cute.
>>27301466
>mfw it's still going on
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How does these two horndogs keep getting past censorship?
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>>27310162
I have looked at the shiren games for GB. I've been using them as a reference for controls and how they deal with the hardware limitations. They seem to use a 32x32 floor map, and the right map design is the exact same as the one shiren gb1 uses.
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>>27311654
I guessed so, though I don't think the one on the right would hurt
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>>27311699
I guess I'll probably just go with a scrolling map. The right is already programmed in, and the left was just a mockup, so it would probably be easier to do a scrolling map anyway. Thanks for the input, anons.
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>>27310921
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What is this connection orb garbage in PSMD?
Did they really think giving us ALL the good stuff a couple hours into the game without any sort of work was a good idea?
Why the fuck can't I buy different zones and recruit pokemon anymore?
Why the fuck is everything just handed to me, not just for free, but also with a bonus?

They took all the fun and unique components out of the game. 4 hours in and I'm already bored thinking about how shitty the endgame will be.
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>>27313203
It's not really that different from the randomly generated missions.

>b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but muh salamence!
You can't even use it lol
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>>27313203
But you don't get "ALL" the good stuff immediately.

Friend Zones are exclusive to Rescue Team. No game has had them since (which is a shame but eh).

The Pokémon are your reward, you're not getting them "for free."

>fun and
>unique
The old system was exactly the same as the main games' catching but without the Pokéball.
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Not that guy, but on the topic of Connection Orb missions, when you do recruit them all, does that mean you never get to do missions again? I liked doing missions in Sky even after being a Guildmaster since it was a nice change of pace and sometimes gave out good rewards.
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>>27313484
Nah, that's it for missions. You can obviously still go into dungeons, but it's admittedly not the same.
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>>27313203
>>27313484
>All this shit taste

Are we being raided?
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>>27313465
>Do a piss easy mission
>Get an overleveled event legendary
How is this fun?
I loved having to recruit pokemon, every single member had a purpose, atleast in the early game.
Now I'm doing missions that are 2 minutes short and recieve a strong mon that is 15+ levels above me.

Having to reach stage 60 or so in a difficult dungeon to find the good legendaries, then trying to recruit them, that was challenging, and rewarding.

The entire purpose of SMD is to go out on an adventure and recruit mons.
You know, Gotta CATCH em all.

What the fuck is the endgame of PSMD anyway, now that you can no longer do deep dungeon runs and recruit rare pepemons?
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>>27313532
Second guy. Just wanted to know if missions ever happened after recruiting everyone.
Guess it's just a good idea to backup a save before doing all of them so I can replay it without going through the entire game again.
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>>27313610
>every single member had a purpose, at least in the early game
Which was to accompany you into dungeons, just like it is in this game.

>15+ levels above me
Shit progression, I'll give you that. Levels don't mean much once the story is over, though.

>The entire purpose of SMD is to go out on an adventure and recruit mons.
And that's what you do.
>You know, Gotta CATCH em all.
Did you copy this from a pasta for one of the main games? Nowhere is the term "CATCH" used.

>now that you can no longer do deep dungeon runs and recruit rare pepemons?
But that's exactly what you can do. Are you memeing me?
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How many Pokemon do you guys have that have near-max stats (excluding HP)?
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>>27317033
4 on my Sky cart. Jirachi has nearly 700hp due to eating every single life seed in the game.
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>>27317033
5 in Sky. Maxed my main's HP, but the rest are only in their mid-300s. Found out about the Nature Gifter trick a bit too late, and I'm kind of regretting it.
Not gonna bother capping or getting many Ginseng boosts for most mons, though.
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Where should I bring my motivated team?
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>>27318525
A dungeon.
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>>27318690
Yeah, but what kind of dungeon? Do I bring them to a really high level dungeon so I can make use of their 3x EXP boost?
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>>27318984
Yeah, probably.
I think I've heard the Genesect dungeon is good for exp grinding in super. If you take a pokemon with heat wave or something you can camp out on the last floor and wipe them out as they spawn.
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What should I name myself and my partner in Super?
Using Treecko+Fennekin
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>>27321443
Chose for Treecko
Wrong for Fennekin
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>>27321443
Your name for Treecko
No nickname for Fennekin.
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>>27321504
What you think a good starter combo is, considering I somehow "chose wrong"?
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>>27321585
i'm just giving you shit for taking treecko over chespin is all
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>>27321585
You didn't choose wrong, fuck that guy.
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How does hyper beam work/function in these games?
Is it worth having on someone in Super at any point?

I've played the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th MD games and I don't believe I've ever encountered it.
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>>27321703
Hyper Beam is ranged, hits the enemy, and hits everything around that enemy in an explosion. Still need to recharge, but you're far away from them, so who cares?

Before Super, it's pure shit.
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>>27321748
Viable in super?
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>>27322130
Viable enough, it can at least be used to fill in a slot for a pokemon that doesn't have anything better to have

also i swear the captcha just says i did it wrong half the time just to fuck with me
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>>27322130
The explosion can damage allies, so you have to be careful. Don't let the AI use it, because they'll throw it out carelessly.
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Is it worth the time to level up moves? If so, at what level should I stop training it at?
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>>27322184
>>27322231
Still on story second playthrough currently
Playing Pikachu with Tbolt, round, nasty plot, and sweet kiss

Intending to replace round with hb if it's worth it later
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>>27293596
I havent beaten SMD yet
Im not ready
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>>27322280
The first few levels are pretty easy, but after a while it's not really worth it. The only especially useful thing you get out of move levels is PP, and if you want more of that you can buy some PP-Up Drinks from Cofagrigus, which give +2 PP apiece.
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Grew up with Blue Rescue team, never beat it, I was too shit to beat it, and I only got somewhat better.I cant survive the second trip to Revelation Mountain (trip w nuzleaf). Any advice?
Pic unrelated, I just love the video.
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>>27322447
Wow i should specify that im talking about SMD
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>>27322447
If using wands doesn't work, go to Pelliper Island and grind a level or two. You can get to it via the main menu.
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>>27322488
thanks!
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>>27322504
If you've never used Pelliper Island, it'll give you three random pokemon. You don't actually have to use these, though. You can use whatever you've recruited.
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>>27322402
Alright, thanks.
One more thing. I just got Ice Beam up to level 4, and the last bit on the accuracy bar shows up as pink. Does that mean I can't improve its accuracy anymore?
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So we all agree he's the best character in the entire pokemon series right?
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>>27322726
No.
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>>27322747
no
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>>27322674
If that part of the bar turns pink, you can't increase that attribute any more, even with drinks. The caps differ between moves, but you're unlikely to cap anything but accuracy unless you really invest in the attack.
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>>27322767
no
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>>27322819
no
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>>27322747
>>27322767
>>27322819
>>27322851
>not understanding the power of YOOM TAH
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>>27322726
no
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>>27322810
I see now. Thanks again!
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>>27321703
>2nd, 3rd, and 4th MD
So Explorers, AS and GtI? Fans or "we", since I used to call Sky PMD3 as well made the numerations so confusing after Sky.
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>>27293596
>the poliwraths are hard
Kek, I'm having a harder time on axiews salamance mission. I either need to use sylveon somehow even though they are on break or some other bullshit. All he does is 1 hit kills everything.
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>>27324152
Items, my man. Salamence is the game telling you to use items because you're going to need them.
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>>27324152
Disable him with thunder wave or a wand and go to town with blast seeds
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>>27324152
I got him on the first try. I just kept him asleep with wands or seeds or something and blast seeded his ass into the ground.
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>>27278394
>use itemizer orb
>octillery becomes apple
>activate pokemon trap
>apple becomes kingdra
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Charge beam or Tbolt for Super?
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>>27322851
No
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>>27325114
Nevermind. I just found out the damage differences.

Tbolt has carried me too well to switch to THAT now
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>>27322726
>>27322747
>>27322767
>>27322819
>>27322851
>>27325175
Y'all wrong! This character single handedly decided what would be my favourite pokemon
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A very bizarre glitch happened on zero isle east that didn't reset my team's level to 1.
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>>27325980
Lucky you. Did you do anything strange before that might've caused it?
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>>27325996
No,I didn't.
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>>27325980
>filter

also how do i know you didn't just bring in a bunch of joy seeds?
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>>27325576
Fuck, you got me there.

HOWEVER
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>>27326116
Because I wouldn't waste all 16 item slots im my bag for 16 joy seeds when there's a big chance I might get killed by a qwilfish or a kingdra on the final 10 floors with no revivers seeds left.
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How can I get my hands on a hyper beam TM in Super?
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>>27326759
Go to every Kecleon shop every day and hope it's there.
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>>27325980
I didn't know that option was present in Explorers
By the way, it would be nice if you could tell us what you exactly did (even if you thini it's something that doesn't matter), maybe we can figure out how it works.
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If you play as a Cubone in Rescue Team, where does its skull come from?
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Okay anon,here's what I did:

My team woke up in the sharpedo bluff like always,Then I got to kangaskhan storage to store some things.After that,I checked the spinda cafe to see if there was a worthwile mission to complete.There was a minum asking to rescue a plusle .Don't remember the dungeon though.I then got the the guild and talked to sandslash,zangoose and scyther group because.I then went to chimecho assembly to rearrange my team.Once I was done,I talked to sunflora talking about the surrounded sea and left.I then headed to the dungeon list and chose my destination.I accindetaly clicked no the first time,so I tried the second time.
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>>27325980
I remember another anon posted about this issue a while ago, also with Zero Isle East. Perhaps it's unique to that dungeon?
>>
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Decided to watch the credits for once. Dear god, Chunsoft is so understaffed. Maybe that's the secret? Keeping everyone close together to produce perfect synergy with gameplay, story and music?

>>27331688
I need to know what happened to Armaldo
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At what point will stronger pokemon stop needing breaks? when I reach their level?

Also is it possible to favourite a Pokemon or something?
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>>27332704
He did his time, and now he's an honest explorer
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>>27332846
It never stops.

No.
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>>27332867
that's terrible

I guess I'll just cycle Expedition members then.


Is Thunder worth getting? I've got Tbolt currently but if Thunder is better in the long run I'd rather know sooner than later.
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Dunsparce what are you doing here

You don't exist for another 3 years
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>>27332846
You can favourite them in the Connection Orb map and put them in preset teams.

>>27332911
Thunderbolt all the way. Base power has a negligible effect on damage if you aren't at a really low level, and Thunder's worse in every other aspect.
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>>27332980
I'll stay with thunderbolt then, thanks for the advice.
Should I drop Nasty Plot or Sweet Kiss for Rain Dance so it stops missing as much?
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>>27332928
What is it with the highly ranked teams mentioned in the story being garbage?
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>>27333199
Because no one is allowed to be better than the player.
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>>27333215
>team charm is Master rank
>every member of the team sucks at fights
>team ACT is Gold rank
>gets fucked by an enemy you end up 1shotting
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>>27333256
Are you joking? Lopunny has Agility and Pound, she could solo every monster house in the game.
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>>27333528
>Klutz

enjoy those no x-ray specs, tight belt, miracle chest, or anything really. Also Medicham kills itself with High Jump Miss constantly.
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>>27333580
Force Palm is mad awesome though, carried my scrub Riolu all the way through Super. Weavile was taking like -200 damage from regular jump kicks.

The only one clearly not pulling her weight is Gardevoir, Confuse is just pathetic.
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>>27333657
last time i did Aegis Cave i just killed their entire team with EQ. Pure deadweight.
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>>27333657
Would you recommend Force Palm over Power Up Punch for super?
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Should I run Rock Slide/Iron Tail for coverage or Aqua Tail for STAB on Feraligatr?
I already have Hydro Pump, Ice Beam and Blizzard, but I want a physical move on him just in case.
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>>27334253
That sounds bad to me as it is.
But I don't really know what "good" MD movesets should be.
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>>27334253
Why even have Ice Beam when you can use Blizzard?
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Was there a way to convert x amount of any stackable item into gold bars? I tried Google, but have found no answers. I remember this being a thing a few months ago, I think
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>>27335093
If you have 100 of an item in super an exchange option will be available when withdrawing them from storage.
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>>27335093
>have 100 of an item, like sticks or orans
>go to withdraw
>pick Exchange option
>give 100 items
>receive gold
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>>27297285
Anon, you still never posted source...
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>>27335017
As long as it works on any given situation, it should be alright.

>>27335075
So I can have a ranged move.
Now that I think about it, Hydro Pump actually covers that already, and it'd be pretty redundant to have 2 ice moves as coverage.
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>>27335145
Blizzard is ranged, sorta.
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>>27335131
Not him, but someone shared it with me in another thread.
http://www.doujinshi.org//book/859536/CONNECTED!!!/?agree=force
I don't know if there are any scans or translations anywhere though, that page doesn't link to any, and image searching with the title page doesn't turn up much.
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>>27335169
It's a room-wide move, so it counts. It also hits enemies on a 3 tile radius if you're in a hallway.

Ice Beam has 4 tiles, but it only hits one enemy.
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>>27335145
My general suggestion would be Aqua Tail/Hydro Pump/Blizzard and something like Power-up Punch or Bite/Crunch.
It's great to have STABs. A not-very-effective STAB does only 2% less than a neutrally-effective coverage move, so there's little point packing coverage moves without Pokémon in mind. There's a few Dark and Ice types you can't hit, and a few Psychics and Ghosts.

Power-up Punch has nice utility and is super-effective against more types while Bite/Crunch prevent Jellicent and Shedinja fucking you over and have more PP/base power, respectively.
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>>27335336
>A not-very-effective STAB does only 2% less than a neutrally-effective coverage move
Huh, I thought STAB NVEs would deal much less than non-STAB neutral in this game.
I think I'll be switching Ice Beam for Crunch for those two ghosts that you mentioned and for a little bit of utility. Thanks!
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>>27335775
STAB is 115%, SE is 125%, and NVE is 85%. I guess they brought down the modifiers so a few super-strong 'mons don't make certain dungeons unbearable for a few types.

Though now I think about it, my logic here isn't so sound. I say how NVE STABs aren't a concern, then base my type choices on which Pokémon the STABs are NVE against instead of which types let you hit the most for SE. Fighting and Dark are still top choices for this too, but I'd like to make this clear.
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As long as we're talking about coverage, how does Bite/Feint/Force Palm/Vacuum Wave look for Riolu, and Psybeam/Ember/Round/Attract for Fennekin as far as story is concerned? I'm wondering if I should trade Force Palm for Revenge and/or Feint for Counter, and I'm pretty sure I should trade SOMETHING for Attract, but I don't know what.
>mfw there are no permanent "rainbow emeras"
>mfw there will never be a once-per-dungeon Toughness emera to give Riolu
>mfw Revenge will never reliably reach max power
>mfw I have no face
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Who /tunneling simulator/ here?
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>>27336953
wait, is that actually hyperbeam's range?!
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>>27337545
I don't know for certain in Super
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>>27337545
IIRC that's Hyper Beam's range for giant Pokemon in Super. Its range is 10 tiles that pierce through walls and enemies.
For regular Pokemon, it's only 4 tiles that don't pierce, but when it hits an enemy, it causes a 3x3 explosion around it, damaging other Pokemon and destroying walls.
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>>27335218
Some madman actually buys all of these things and occasionally taunts us with a picture. I assume he's running some trading racket or something because these things DO NOT exist on the internet and are out of stock 100% of the time. Like all Japanese OC they expect you to go to a convention in some abandoned warehouse in Shibuya if you want anything.
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anything i should know about SUPER before i start?

just finished the intro dungeon, got charmander and pikachu is my team member
is this a decent combination?
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>>27338478
personally i wouldn't have picked them

Gameplay wise you're fine.
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You guys didn't pick a Grass type to be your starter, right?
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>>27338558
>picked chespin because it was cute
>all of grass types weaknesses don't matter anymore because of Rollout
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>tfw I had 3D enabled and he literally came out of the screen
I was scared. It really surprised me.
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>>27339040
Who came out of the screen?
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>>27340836
It's a spoiler for Gates.
Hydreigon
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>>27340599
>Join expedition guild
>Never go on any expeditions

Guess it was just too hard to observe the sun from Star Cave. Xatu does that too, what's with the sun? Does it know things?
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>>27342861
Jirachi's just tired from eating too many joy seeds is all
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Guys I can't stop thinking about PMD

What do I do
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>>27344462
Play PMD.
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>>27344462
write fanfiction
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>>27344462
Custom starter Sky
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>>27344494
>>27344506
>>27344548
Been there, done that

I need something else
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>>27344593
Custom starter Sky only you're using Magikarp and Feebas
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>>27344593
Write more fanfiction and play the games again.
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>>27297517
Source
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>>27344632
How do you think I've been keeping myself busy these past two weeks

It's not enough, I need a new PMD or to just forget about the whole thing
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>>27344654
Mod your wii/download Dolphin. Play Adventure Squad. You might be able to handle level 1 dungeons, but can you handle the menus of that game?
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>>27344654
Well you aren't getting a new PMD anytime soon, so I guess you're fucked unless you make your own.
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>>27344654
Help me out in Sky. Try pokemon out in ZIS, those guides gave me things to do.
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>>27344651
The source was already posted.
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>>27344462
>>27344654
Play Shiren.
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>>27346554
how did they even get a tv
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>>27346655
They're from the future, who knows what kind of shit the have.
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>>27346655
Treasure found in a dangerous and ancient dungeon.
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>>27344723
But what will happen to us? Will we really not have anything to discuss until 2018?
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>>27347171
Can you think of anything interesting to discuss?
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hold tight i'm making a new thread
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>>27347738
it's up

>>27347763
>>27347763
>>27347763
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