BREEDING SI KILL

Now every Pokemon is the perfect Pokemon!

/killmyself

>>27252263
Trick Room Pokémon on suicide watch.

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>You're storybros wont be worthless anymore

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>>27252574
laughed harder than i should have at this

>>27252263
Egg moves.

>>27252263
I hope a change for nature too, more like an orientation you can change at any moments.
>>27252480
I suppose you can do that individually.

>>27252480
>4chan now distributes 0/0/0/0/0/0 IV Dittos

Good, breeding was a useless timesink anyways. Fun in short doses, but in the long run it was a senseless grind

>still have to breed for the right nature
ALMOST THERE GAMEFREAK
ALMOST THERE

>>27253392
That's nothing to worry about, especially when you have Synchronise Pokémon to influence the Nature of Wild encounters.

>>27253433
well, true

>>27252574
unless they have a shit nature
also you gotta train them to lvl 100 raise there IVs
so itll probably take just as long if not longer

Oh my god
who the hell cares if your pokemon has a stat like 10 points lower than another
jesus christ you fucking autismos

>>27253392
Speaking of which, in the trailer it shows the stat screen.
Natures aren't anywhere on either stat screen.
The only tab left appears to be Ribbons.

Are natures even a thing still?

>>27252830
egg moves is still just a few eggs,still not the """"""fun"""""" we had finding the perfect iv

>>27253559
They move it around each gen. There will still be natures

Oh neat, now i can do something with that shiny Larvesta I found with shit IVs.

>>27253592
how do you even decide what the """"perfect"""" IV is?

>>27253559
They's still there, but probably on another screen . In that same trailer, Pikachu had a Rash Nature, because Sp. Attack text was red, and Sp. Defense was blue.

>>27253392
that's actually perfect
you can see nature ingame and if is what yoo want,and with eggs and synchronize is easy

IV is impossible to know ingame,so you don't even know at first if is high in iv or not in for example attack (or you can see if it's low or high comparing to another poke with same level and different attack) so for me is perfect.

the egg part is still there,egg moves and right nature,but the hours (or days) spent for some ivs was just dumb

Okay this is what I've gathered so far:
>This makes it easier to breed pokemon.
All you'll have to worry about it their nature, their moves, and leveling them up.
>Any pokemon you transfer can get this treatment
So soft reseting legendaries is now easier, as you only have to worry about it's nature. Not to forget any event legendaries you might have sitting around with cruddy IVs.
Also bringing pokemon over with moves only available in previous generations or event only moves can be viable in the meta.

Breeding to 100 will still take a while.

You can breed 5 IV Pokemon pretty quickly with the right set up so hopefully breeding will still be a preferred method.

This will let you take the Pokemon you went through an adventure with not seem so worthless! So that's pretty cool.

I wonder if it will take a lot of battle points to do so? I kinda hope they cap it off at 5 that way, but it wouldn't matter much if they did or not.

>>27253652
Perfect IVs are always 30,31,0 or 1. You only need to breed for 0 Attack if you're a special attacker (to reduce confusion damage) and 0 speed for Trick Room pokemon.

>>27252405
Some of us didn't enjoy biking around in circles for days on end.

>>27252263
The only problem that I have with this is that IVs are supposed to be the "genes" of the individual Pokémon. You're not supposed to be able to modify the whole organism so easily when it has become multi-cellular.

>>27254063
It's just data, bro.

>>27254063
No anon, that's just your headcanon.

>>27254063
Dude, pokemon have been changing their genetic makeup on a whim since gen 1.

>>27254063
That's just your headcannon, anon. IV's are just stats.

>>27253496
The only one I can be bothered to actually care about is the Speed, can be the difference between getting knocked out or knocking them out.

>>27254224
It's also Ohmori's headcanon.

>>27254242
No, only EVs could be changed which is literally the effort they put in to get stronger. IVs can't be changed without cheating.

This is great.

Now they just need to let us change their nature.

>>27252263

Great.

>mfw I now have to get perfect nature/ability pokemon for my main team, when before I already knew I had shit IVs so it meant it didn't really matter

A fresh hell has been unleashed, guess i'll be forced to get some Synchro mons off my bank.

>>27254063

That's fine but if your Magikarp is LEVEL FUCKING 100 it's not too hard to suggest it would then gain the power to become the strongest.

Like your pokemon is now so powerful it can surpass even its own natural limits.

>>27254297
Source on Ohmoris head canon.

>>27254848
I like this idea. If anything, it's fair to only be able to change IVs at level 100. In a way, it means there's "further training" possible for your pokemon that goes beyond level 100. I'm personally glad they're giving players more control either way, and it's generally out of the way of casual players who want to keep the feeling of "all the mons are special/unique."

I also hope for a way to change natures. I don't think it's too far-fetched either considering abilities, (and now IVs) can be changed too.

>>27254297
also looking for source on it being Ohmori's headcanon. I do remember reading that evs and ivs, as well as natures, were meant to differentiate pokemon. I think being able to change IVs doesn't take that away though, considering you're only allowed to do it when they're level 100 anyway.

This is great, Now i wont have to waste hours breeding.

>>27256444
People are saying it'll apparently take longer than breeding. I guess it's because you "have to" raise mons up to level 100. I just hope there's some way to cheaply raise your mons to level 100 like ORAS with the blissey secret base trainers.

nice trips

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>>27252574
>The Swampert I've been transferring since Emerald will finally be good
My lifelong bro will finally be the true MVP

>>27252405
fuck you fucking timewasting pieces of shit who wank yourselves over a flawed game mechanic that attempts to 'differentiate' pokemon but through a vital feature that should have been accessible to all players from day 1

if you want to make each pokemon a unique individual there are plenty of other ways, combat shouldn't be one of them

fucking idiot, yeah go kill yourself

>>27256738
Only if it has a good nature.

>>27253496
it matters in online battling you ignorant twat

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>>27252263
>I can literally make all my main game bros useful as long as they have the right nature

>>27256779
I said good not tournament viable

>>27256811
digging face into ass

>>27252263
Say goodbye to shinies have any worth.

>>27256844
>pokemon
>having worth
>ever

>>27256844
How does this effect the worth of a shiny? You still need to breed/catch one.

>>27252263
please tell me this is bait. it was such a beautiful day untill now

>>27253496
Spotting retards has never been easier

will bottlecaps be hard to find in the game, or will i be injecting them and giving them out to other players

>>27252263
This will be good for shinies, legendaries, event mons with unique moves and those unfortunate pokémon that were just some IVs short of being perfect.

If you want to mass produce pokémon with good IVs, I believe bike simulator is still going to be the more practical option.

>>27256957
If you have to hack them in why not just hack a pokemon with perfect ivs in? Wouldn't that be simpler?

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>>27252263

Post yfw Ash has been Hyper Training since OS

>>27256986
can you inject pentagon mons? Been almost a year since I played and got something hacked from here.

>>27257008
I'm actually unsure. If not that's my bad, man.

>>27256766

Spinda system for every Pokemon when?
Gender differences for every Pokemon when?
Random scars for some Pokemon when?

>>27252263
>breeding is kill
>still need a good nature and egg moves
more like breeding is saved

>>27252263
Thank heaven. That tedious, anti-fun mechanic needed to die a horrible death, and I'm glad it's finally gone forever.

>>27252405
*if you spend what could be a lot of time training it after it is lv100

this changes very little about how IVs work in the end, you either put in effort to have perfect IVs from the start, or put in the effort on fully trained pokemon to get perfect IVs at the end.

What this does, that I like, is that it makes it much more viable to use ingame team members in competition. I would also like the ability to use a pokemon psychologist to change the nature of a max friendship pokemon, and some way for pokemon to 'train' each other to learn egg moves without having to breed them.

Breeding is fine and should be one way to build your team, but training should be an equally viable way to develop them into competitive viable monsters.

>>27253658
Maybe that's how you know what nature it has now? The actual nature name could have been removed from the status screen

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>>27256738
>been trading a blaziken since launch day ruby days
>still has no speed boost and has a shit nature

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>No Guard Fissure Machamps will be viable after being transferred from RBY

Ayy lmao

>>27254848
This nigga here

>>27252263
Good, breeding perfect IV mons is autism and you know it

>>27257214
It probably won't end up being that good. It can't hit anything levitating or flying, can't hit anything with Sturdy, and isn't that bulky or fast.

>>27254848


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u5wRT02Vyc

>>27257371
scarf

>>27257392
55 base speed isn't going to let you do much even with a scarf. Unless you pair it with something that has Follow Me.

>all pokemon are created equal
>here have a free nature reroll now
>here have a free ability reroll
>here have free HA
>here have free shiny
>here just have everything you want for little to no effort

how fucking stupid
breeding is a pointless mechanic now since the superior way to do it is to simply catch the highest level pokemon you can find in the wild with the correct nature and then just level it up

what are they thinking...

>>27257436
>55 base speed isn't going to let you do much even with a scarf
Youve never seen Rock Polish Rhyperior, have you

>>27252263
good. fuck the time and autism needed to breed for perfect ivs. especially for shines

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>>27252263
>breeding is kill
You mean biking simulator is kill.
Breeding for hidden powers won't make me want to kill myself anymore either

>>27256738
>mfw I have a Adamant Blaziken, my oldest Pokemon from Ruby still around

FINALLY HE WILL BE UP TO THE CHALLENGE

I'm glad I've been capturing good natures since gen 5 at leats, everything else before that was a fluke, specially legends

>>27257476
Choice Scarf only boosts speed by 1 level and locks you into using that move until you switch out.

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>yfw you need your pokemon to be 100 before they can betransferred from rby and this is how they'll get IVs

>>27257436
of course it needs team support
i never said it would 6-0 teams that is just retarded
>smogonbird
get a heatran
>psychic
get a bisharp or a weavile
>fairies
metagross
>sturdy users
anything with mold breaker

>>27257457
Nerd

>>27257483
no breeding is kill

its never been viable to breed for HP and the only real surefire way to get the perfect blend for HP is to just hack, which is a stupid mechanic to begin with

they should have left IVs as they were
given us a HP changer for like a heart scale or something
and given us universal move tutors that can teach a pokemon any move it has ever been able to learn in any generation

this would make the game good
instead they give in to the whiny baby audience that is sad because their pokemon are lacking literally 10 points of speed at level 100 when the bigger impact is the inability to have soft boiled on their clefable unless they transfer it up from fire red/leaf green

>>27257513
>>sturdy users
>anything with mold breaker
Sturdy makes OHKO moves always fail. And Fissure Machamp would only ever be used in VGC, as OHKO moves are banned in Smogon.

>>27257457
No one liked Bike Simulator, trying to justify it as a "reward for your hard work" is stupid because it's not hard work, it's just a massive time sink.

>>27256798
>not just playing on showdown

>>27257547
then dont target the sturdy user

>>27257581
Then get hit by the sturdy user.

>>27256738
>the several Plasma Deoxys I hoarded from gen 5 can finally be put to use as competitive speed/defense/attack/normal Deoxys

>>27257457
Anon, if you think breeding was "hard" or "complex," it is YOU that is the casual. Breeding has always been easy, just a huge ass waste of time.

>>27257572
lots of people like bike simulator
lots of people liked the reward of making something worth using in the game
lots of people liked to be able to create something of value that could be traded in the community

with this it kills all of it

now all pokemon (except shiny and legendary pokemon) are 100% worthless and there is literally no point to trading them anymore unless you need to evolve them.

things like Wondertrade now no longer matter since there is literally no point to it anymore
any pokemon you want you can now just run out and catch one and it is perfect with 0 effort involved

talk about gay baby mode

whaaa I have to put effort into getting something good
whaaa
gamefreak please trivialize this thing because some people enjoy doing it but I don't
whaaa

thats literally what happened here

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>>27252263
Wait, what the fuck? Game Freak is doing something... intelligent? Does this count as meme magic? Because I know for sure I've seen discussions about a way to increase IV's on pokemon.

Guys, I think GF got into the cocaine. They couldn't do something this right any other way.

>>27257627
If it's so easy, why don't you do it? :^)

>>27252263
Step in the right direction but can't we just remove IVs as a stat modifier entirely? EVs already do the same thing and you can actually pick those

>>27257647
I did, but then I realized I didn't want to spend weeks preparing a single Pokemon.

>>27252263
okay people
help me build a good moveset for spinda, ledian, victreebel and jumpluff
>>27257634
>implying bottle caps won't be super hard to get
You're like one of the very few people who are salty about Hyper Training.

>>27257668
Or just reduce it to 4 IVs total for Hidden Power.

>>27257680
>weeks

try like 30 min
maybe an hour if you are unlucky

thats literally all it takes
but for some reason idiots are incapable of doing this

>>27252263
>Had Blaziken since Sapphire
>Transferred him through every game
>Soloed some elite fours with him
>Will now get to put him into a competitive environment without worry
>His nickname is still in allcaps because gen 3 didn't have lower case letters in the nickname screen
Give me the option to change his name from BLAZE and we got a deal, Nintendo.

>>27257511
Just use the rare candy glitch

Easy

>>27257457
I-it's still postgame content that isn't canon amirte bro?
Bro?

>>27257634
>lots of people like bike simulator
>lots of people liked the reward of making something worth using in the game
they can still do it if they really liked it. It doesn't make them a special snowflake anymore, but who cares, if you like something do it. and if they don't do it then they never really liked it.

>>27257700
Don't forget specific egg move/hidden ability combinations. Or mixed attackers than need 6 in all stats. Or Hidden power.

>>27257128
you should work for gamefreak

>>27252480
Just having a speed reducing nature is usually enough. Only stuff like min speed uturners and gyro ball users or special attackers with min atk ivs will still have to worry about this shit

Breeding should only be for egg moves and getting copies of stuff like starters that aren't in the wild.

>tfw all i have to do is SR my starter Pokemon so it has a beneficial nature
>tfw all i have to do now is catch a Pokemon in the wild that has a beneficial nature

That's it... I mean the only time I would have to breed for anything is to get egg moves. This is the best shit ever, fuck hatching eggs done with that now.

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>>27257634
We don't even know what the mechanics behind this shit are.
We know you trade Bottle Caps to some guy to increase the IV. That's it.

What if it's only +1 IV? If you have a Pokemon with 20/20/20/20/20/20 IVs, that's 66 Bottle Caps you need to collect to help max it out.
What if the time it takes to get 66 Bottle Caps is equivalent to breeding with a 6IV Pokemon over and over and over until it's perfect?

Instead of being autism-bike-simulator (which, I don't think you ACTUALLY enjoy), it's now "go collect these items around the world to be entertained while getting to the ultimate end-goal of creating your perfect Pokemon".

As you said, it's the feeling of creating something that makes it rewarding. Why not do it in a way that's a little more interactive?

>>27257796
I wouldn't bother resetting for a good nature on a starter, it will no doubt have a better hidden ability. They always do.

>>27257634
It still takes effort, it's just less autistic to do.

You still have to breed for Egg moves and Hidden Abilities.

Even more notably, Game Freak is taking the first steps to fight off injectors. Now the people who didn't want to inject, but didn't want to go through the autistic hellscape of breeding have another option.

>Lots of people like Bike simulator
You can still play Bike simulator. They didn't remove anything. I don't think lots of people like it though. Stockholm's syndrome much?

And trading is worthless? Honestly, I don't even know what point you are trying to make, except that I think you were doing it wrong.

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>>27257147
You can change its fate anon.

>i can finally fix all my imperfect shinies
>hidden power breeding may actually be humanly possible now.

what a time to be alive.

Hey everyone in this thread have you heard of http://pokemonshowdown.com ?

If I want a team for VGC or some shit I'd just inject it :^)

While you neckbeards are busy hunched over your 3DS playing biking simulator 2000 and whining about IVs on 4chan, non-autistic people will be actually battling and gitting gud.

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>>27257891
my shinies still have a shit nature

>>27257457
Egg moves faggot

>>27257912
...nature training desu.

>>27257864
>Empoleon

>>27252480
I don't get why this would be a problem for them?

>>27257947
Because they still have to breed for 0 Speed IV's.

>>27257457
Stay mad, Anon

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>>27257930
Honestly if they were gonna make EV/IV training way easier and THEN give us shiny charm and matsua method AND fucking ability swap might as well go the whole way and give us an actually good and reliable nature change

It's fucking stupid

>>27257844
>If you have a Pokemon with 20/20/20/20/20/20 IVs, that's 66 Bottle Caps you need to collect to help max it out.
>What if the time it takes to get 66 Bottle Caps is equivalent to breeding with a 6IV Pokemon over and over and over until it's perfect?
This. I'm staying skeptical until the game is released.

>>27257908
When I was battling on cartridge, back in Gen IV and V, I tried to do both. I would dream up a team on Showdown, and keep whittling it like a piece of wood until it was perfect.

Once I decided on my ultimate team, I would start breeding. But, time makes fools of us all, and I would change my team. Just a little change, like replacing a move. Then I would replace entire Pokemon.

The end result was my entire PC filled with half-bred rejects. You could go through my boxes and see the evolution of my various teams.

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>>27257706
>gen 3 didn't have lowercase letters in the nickname screen.
Anon...

Honestly I rather collect bottle caps than doing bike meme shit
I can't go back to those days

>>27257874
injectors were a problem for a different reason

the mechanics of hidden power, legendaries, and previous generation move tutors not being available in current generations are the biggest issues with current pokemon

IVs are literally a drop in the fucking bucket
people seem to think that the at most like 30 point difference at level 100 is the make or break point when in reality the fact that their conkuldurr doesn't have ice punch or their clefable doesn't have soft boiled or one of the other many examples of this shit is the actual biggest determining factor in if the pokemon is good or not

there was no reason to change the way IVs worked, especially since the vast majority of people whining about it had little to no understanding of what they actually do or how they work. They just see it as "wait you mean the random shitmon I caught in the grass isn't at its 100% power mark? what a ripoff GF please fix"
when in reality the random shitmon they caught in the grass (if it has the right nature and eggmoves, and the move tutors exist in its current game) is at like 99% of its potential power and is missing only that last tiny tiny little bit

I think Hyper training is a great thing for LEGENDARY pokemon, because there was no other way to actually get them to max IVs outside of resetting the game 1000 times over which just encouraged rampant hacking

this though
this does nothing to curb the current state that the game is in and will change nothing
players who play the game only for the campaign and don't bother with onling multiplayer will see literally 0 difference in their pokemon because IVs don't actually matter for the story and online players still get shit on because of lack of dedicated universal move tutors

excellent fix GF
thanks retarded community

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>>27252263
I don't get it
Does this mean that they will go beyond the limit of what their normal EVs and IVs would allow them to?

>>27256844
They haven't had worth since Gen VI made it easy as fuck to get them.

>>27258075
No, it just allows you to change IVs of existing Pokemon.

>>27258075
No, the IVs go straight up to 31.

>>27258075
No.

You can now change IVs after you acquire the Pokemon, in-game, legally, without injecting or whatever.

It's like Super Training but for IVs.

>>27258075
no it just means that pissbabies who couldn't figure out how breeding worked
despite the numerous brain-dead easy to follow flowcharts that exist online
can now have a much easier much more casual way of getting hexaperfect mon

>>27258089
They haven't had worth since ever.

>Tfw Nature capsule

>>27258108
>WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH WHYYYYYY DID YOU MAKE THE GAME LESS TEDIOUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS I DESERVED THOSE POKEMON BECAUSE I SPENT DAYS HOLDING A DIRECTION THE DPAD YOU'RE MAKING THE GAME UNFAIR TO THE AUTISTIC COMMUNITY BECAUSE I DESERVE THE RIGHT TO HAVE BETTER POKEMOOOOOOOOOOON

>Super Traning

>Ability capsule

>Now we have an IV setter

Now we just need to change natures, and Breeding can only exist for egg moves

>>27258129
>nature capsule
>shiny capsule
>ability capsule
>31 IV all stat capsule
>datamine smogon and input EV spread capsule
>instant beat game and level all pokemon to 100 capsule

I really don't see any point for GF to not implement all of these
I mean if IVs were too hard for the community these things HAVE to be fixed
I mean lets be honest
catching pokemon is tedious
and trying to get a shiny is even more tedious
and doing things is tedious
why can't GF just let me make w/e I want whenever I want
no I don't want to pay for a gameshark I'm no cheater. I just want the cheats to be in the actual game :^)

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>>27258108
>Being so salty over the fact that you don't have to breed the same Pokemon and doing the same thing non-stop over and over for days

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>that one shiny you hatched with unsatisfactory IVs will now be worth it

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>>27258213
>mfw it's year 20XX and everyone has positive Nature 31 IV 252 EVs perfect moveset Pokemon and they always make the good play, so everyone tries to outplay the coin flip

>>27258225
He's probably breeding right now. On his 5000th egg to get that shiny Gardevoir for him to fap to.

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>>27258090
>>27258105
>>27258106
>>27258108
So now breeding doesn't have purpose and every pokemon will be perfect as long as they have the right nature and are level 100?
I don't know how to feel about this

>>27258158
>WAAAAAAAAAH I CAN'T BREED POKEYMANS BECAUSE I HAVE THE ATTENTION SPAN OF A FIVE YEAR OLD CHILD PLS GF GIB ME GOOD POKEYMANS I CAN'T DO IT ON MY OWN WAAAAAAH
It's not hard to do anon.

>>27258244
Who cares? Anyone who takes the game seriously is going to have minmaxed Pokemon regardless.

>>27258158
>I put effort into something so I should have nice things

yeah pretty much

>>27258225
>days and days
clearly never actually did it
like I said its maybe a half hour for a hexa perfect if you don't suck ass at it

>>27258244
pretty much
outside of egg moves and move tutors
which the community will cry about next and then GF will probably buckle and put some other new mechanic in that trivializes all that as well

then the community will cry about something else and GF will buckel again
and again
and again
and again
until there is no point to playing the game anymore and the community is the only thing to blame

all because they literally couldn't just invest 30 min of their time to min max for the last ~1% of their pokemon

>>27257981
Oh. Well, yeah, but they were already doing that in the first place and now nothing has changed except they only need to worry about one IV instead of six.

>>27258245
It's not hard, but I like actually playing the game more than biking around in a circle.

>>27258290
>rolling dice
>effort
Oh, breedcucks.

>30 min of their time*
*Unless you want a specific Hidden Power type, or don't already have a 6IV Ditto to breed with, or are unlucky.

>>27258244
>>27258244
I wouldn't say breeding has no purpose. Egg moves, easier to get the right natures, and hatching pentaperfect pokemon didn't get removed. It's just an alternative. Say you breed a pokemon with 3 perfect IVs and the right nature and egg moves, now you don't have to waste time breeding ~30 more until you get a pentapefect one.

>>27258290
Holy fuck, you're really salty about nothing right now. No one's telling you not to breed for IVs, there's just a (presumably) less tedious way to do it. How in all of fuck is the a bad thing? Please, just explain to me, what is bad about adding an alternative method?

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I'm so happy about this because now I won't have to play eugenics simulator to get decent pokemon and the storymons that I raised to level 100 can get a boost.

>>27256844
>tfw have modest shiny goomy from xy

>>27258244
There's still Egg Moves and shiny breeding. It may also not be viable time-wise to get something up to Level 100 for Hyper Training, and collecting Bottle Caps may also be time-consuming.

It's an alternative, mainly for those who want to improve the Pokemon they already have, and especially as far as unbreedable Pokemon are concerned. You won't have to soft-reset to get a perfect Zapdos or whatever outside of the 50% chance of the right Nature via Synchronize and if you're really picky about whether or not it's shiny, for instance.

>>27252263
>All those autismal breeding faggots BTFO
>Now you can get battle-ready mons without injecting or wasting your time like they did
>NOW YOUR BROS ARE USEFUL IN ONLINE

Also note they're the only ones who think IVs are good, despite the fact they all breed for the same goal of perfect 31.

>>27258321
yes if you are unlucky it may take an hour
I can start from scratch right now
go out and catch the pokemon I want
go and catch the pokemon who has its egg moves that I want
put them togeather
and in roughly 30 min to 2 hours (depending on luck) I will have a hexa perfect with the right egg moves and nature

wow
so hard

this "Days and Days" thing that lazy bitches keep bringing up is just false and they have clearly never even tried to do it before or they would know just how easy it is

>>27258334
>no ones telling you not to breed
Gamefreak is
they are saying
hey the other people that play this game with you really really suck at the thing that you do
so we are making the thing you do pointless
sorry

>>27258354
Don't ruin your Goomy by evolving it.

>>27258381
Breedcucks like you don't understand the difference between difficulty and tedium. I have enough eggs hatched in my copy of Y, but have since moved on from it because it's nothing but a time sink.

>>27258290
It's an alternative method for Pokemon you already have, and breeding still serves a purpose through Egg Moves. Have you ever tried to get a perfect Legendary before? If anything, it's really only good for Pokemon you already used in the story and don't want to abandon because sentimental value, Legendaries, and getting a 6 IV Ditto for breeding. Breeding still has a purpose. Hyper Training is for those who don't want to breed or can't breed in the first place.

>>27258381
>Gamefreak is
No. No they are not. They are telling you there's more than one way to do it. This doesn't get rid of breeding in any way, shape, or form. Breeding still exists. If you still want to breed, you can do that. If you want to boost a pokemon you already have, you can do that. I know I'm going to do a combination of both. Breed for 2-4 IVs, then Hyper Training.

>>27258381
Record it from start to finish, and I will believe you.

You mean the function originally created within the game to create diversity in mons can be manipulated without a cheat?

Why are people freaking out? Assuming that bottle caps are relatively difficult to obtain, then breeding won't go away, and I don't just mean because of egg moves and natures. It's just that now you can settle for a hatched pokemon that has 3~5 perfect IVs and raise the rest via Hyper Training. Grinding to level 100 and collecting all of the bottle caps you need will likely take just as long as breeding for perfect IVs.

A combination of IV breeding and Hyper Training will probably end up being the most viable method of getting perfect pokemon.

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>he thinks rolling dice takes skill

>>27252263
all those faggots who dumped and gave away near perfect shinies because of a missing IV have probably killed themselves by now

>Actually spending the time to get the "perfect" Pokemon
>Not using cheats
So nothing's gonna change for me I guess :^)

>>27254297
>It's also Ohmori's headcanon.
[citation needed]

>>27258443
Yeah, it's like they realized that everyone online goes 5IIV every time anyways

>>27258347
this kind of shit is why this is a bad change

people that think they need the extra IV boost for story is beyond me

you know that none of the NPC trainers outside of maybe the elite 4 actually even have IVs right?
you know that IVs play little to no role in the actual power of the pokemon right?
you know that as far as the story goes IVs do not matter right?

IVs only matter for online competitive play

>>27258432
Like I said
I think hyper training is an excellent idea, for legendary pokemon only.
anything that you could breed to change the IVs of should not be included

>>27258436
>you can run this marathon
>or you can take the shortcut that is only 1 block
>whoever crosses the finish line first is still the winner though :^)

gee I wonder what route I will take

>>27258405
maybe you have't been reading what I have been writing. I have been saying that breeding is pathetically easy. It is a time investment and to get nice things you usually have to invest time into something
this idea that everyone should just get whatever they want instantly is a cancer.

also I will reiderate again
for the vast majority of people in this thread IVs DO NOT MATTER. You playing the story IVs have quite literally 0 impact on it
you playing the campaign IVs have 0 impact
you fighting NPCs IVs have 0 impact
this change does nothing for casual story mode players
this changes does next to nothing except trivialize a mechanic that was used by online players and ruin trading communities

this is a net negative
the only positive that comes from this is that legendary pokemon now no longer have to be reset for or hacked to get hexa perfect, which is actually nice.

>>27258553
>this is a net negative
It doesn't affect 99% of the playerbase, and makes the game less tedious for the other 1%.

>ruin trading communities
>implying /wfg/ isn't already irredeemable garbage

>>27258463
Nah, because they gave them away if they were duplicate or outclassed in the breeding pool.

I mean the time is lost either way, but those Pokemon wouldn't be worth hypettraining for the original breeder anyway.

>>27258443
Basically. But now your precious starter is the strongest! Just like everyone else's :^)

>>27258461
No, it takes a little bit of knowledge and a little bit of patience, and yet it still made a difference. Of course some people like it you retard.

>>27258553
That analogy doesn't work, retard. It's more like one person making everyone use homemade shoes for a footrace instead of storebought ones.

>>27258381
"it may take an hour"
[citation needed]

>>27258575
im aware that /wfg/ is garbage (its why I don't visit them)
but there are nice trading communities out there and this is just a steak through their heart. Since pokemon now no longer have any effort required to be put into them they have no value which means that trading in general is pointless outside of the forced trade to evolve mon.

this negatively impacts 1% of the playerbase and has little to no impact on 99% of the playerbase
but ironically it was the 99% that this has no impact on demanding it be changed just to shit on the 1%

>>27258640
Pokemon never had value, autismo.

>this negatively impacts 1% of the playerbase
Literally everybody playing at a competitive level had hacked Pokemon.

>>27252263
Fuck shinies, I can finally buff up my legendaries. Competitive Multiscale Lugia nigga.

>>27258640
How does this negatively affect anyone? What is the drawback to having an alternative method that more likely than not will be used in conjunction with the prior method?

>>27258669
not talking about the "competitive" scene
talking about the online battling scene
sure some of them are hacked but the majority of people you play against are using genuine pokemon

and pokemon do have value or else people wouldn't have cried and cried about IVs in the first place
if pokemon had no value then what does it matter what their IVs are? why do you care so much that your story mon don't have perfect spread? if they have no value then you shouldn't but clearly you do

>>27252263
Literally irrelevant. Doesn't matter for most people who play it casually and it doesn't matter for competitive people since there isn't a single person in the world who spent years on breeding and leveling 6+ perfect pokemon. And if you want to be truly competitive you will need much more perfect pokemon so everyone just hacks. Your lvl 100 legendary could actually not completely suck so it's kinda neat I guess but overall nobody should care.

>"breeders" up in arms about this because they can't jerk off over their mostly random 5IV timesinks

Suck it faggots

>>27258718
>How does this negatively affect anyone?
Because he can't assign an autistic value to his timesink anymore.

>it only takes 30 minutes
What the fuck are these people smoking
>get pokemon
>get friend safari ditto with right nature (already a fucking pain)
>give them the right items and start breeding
>need to swap out FS dittos to make sure IVs transfered are 31
>have to keep checking with the guy to make sure the right 31s are kept
I spent about a day each on my Noivern and Volcarona just to get the fucking IVs decent. This is way better already.

>>27256541
That's my only concern. I'm hoping they keep that feature at least.

So...how will you be able to farm to level 100? That will take a long time

>>27258738
Nah, man, I find breeding fun as fuck and I plan on Hyper Training, it's literally one autist complaining for inexplicable reasons.

>>27258741
no its because groups of people can't assign value to the autistic timesink

see when something takes time it is worth something
and the more time something takes the more it is worth
and so in closer tight knit trading communities some pokemon have more worth than others and those that have put in the time to get them can trade them to others, sort of like currency

now though you are devaluing all that time and effort that people put in and are such breaking apart that community or at least removing the trading aspect from that community. People will still battle, but people will no longer trade.
because there is no real point to it now

>>27258640
>what are egg moves and hidden abilities
Also are we talking about the /wfg/ I think we're talking about? Didn't think Warframe had that kind of infamy attached to it.

>>27258797
Sounds like you're just being autistic for the sake of being autistic. Nobody outside of your "trading communities" even cares.

>>27258797
Wait, you're literally only mad because your timesink is being devalued?

Can everyone stop responding to this guy now? Clearly he's retarded.

>>27258797
People won't trade since everyone will now have multiple lvl 100 pokemon?

>>27257128
>>27256798
How come you're always replying to bait, lowercase-anon? Or should I call you lc-a for short? Where are you even from?

>>27258797
Seriously, go take 30 mins to an hour and record you breeding a 6IV mon from caught. Why won't you do this simple thing for me?

>>27258813
wi-fi general
a bunch of retards on this board that trade stuff
but they will be negatively impacted by this just like any other group of people looking to trade pokemon

also HA doesn't require breeding and egg moves is literally just 1 egg

>>27258839
once you have a level 100 perfect pokemon do you see any reason to ever trade it?
because I don't
so you are right
people wont trade

>>27258817
because this doesn't even have an impact on anyone outside trading communities
as stated earlier
this has 0 impact on the majority of players
but has only a negative impact on a few
its a net negative change and shouldn't have been done

>>27258887
>once you have a level 100 perfect pokemon do you see any reason to ever trade it?

But people won't have lvl 100 pokemon at all since 99% of people aren't autistic and have other obligations in life and so they will trade pokemon. You are the minority here.

>>27257542
Dude chill. Breeding is neat for egg moves, abilities, natures and shit. Besides, breeding won't be kill because now, you can easily use this cap method to just make an entire team of at least 5IVs which someone could easy cap on their own for the full 6. Shinies are now fine on their own and don't require rebreeding, unless you're that poor motherfucker with 3 Shiny Male Combee. In which case, wherever you are, godspeed.

This makes breeding actually interesting, I say.

>>27257634
>>27257746
Again. Way too obvious.

>>27252405
No, now every pokemon can work hard to become the perfect pokemon.
It just takes more work for some pokemon, this features will probably be limited to a few points to each cap.

Basically just like real-life and bodybuilding, everyone can do it but it's harder for some people.

>>27258929
seriously it will entirely depen on how easy is to grind to level 100, might as well start grinding my own caught legends to level 100 in the rotation cafe thing

>>27258929
people will not trade

there is no point to doing it
>I could trade this pokemon for the one I want
>this will take about 20 min to find a trade partner online
>or I could just run out into the tall grass on route X and catch the pokemon I want
>since there is no difference between the shitmon I just caught and the one the guy online is trading I have no incentive to actually try and find a trade partner

>>27258953
breeding is kill
at minimum and maximum you now need 1 egg if done correctly
breeding is now a pointless mechanic that actually just shouldn't exist in the game
ditto as a pokemon should also probably be removed since he serves no purpose

They make it sound like bottle caps will be a royal pain to get, I hope it isn't the case.

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>>27258990
You should probably be removed from life as you serve no purpose anymore, breedfag.

>>27258887
It is a negative change for you and your "community", but a positive change to anyone who want to use legendaries, anyone who wanted to get into competitive, but didn't want to go down the rabbit-hole of breeding, and anyone who has an imperfect shiny. It has a positive impact on quite a few players, but has a negative impact on only a few.

You are in the minority here.

>>27259020
I hope it is the case.

>>27259020
I hope it is
I hope it takes hundreds if not thousands of hours to obtain a single one

I honestly hope all you fucking retarded mooks get a monkies paw wish and just get absolutely shit on

>>27259055
If it ends up being bad, I'll just gen my Pokemon again. It's not like Sun and Moon are being released on a console that's already blown wide open or something.

>>27258990
Breeding still has a point, it's just less of a fucking tedious process, just grow a pair and move on you retard.

>>27258990
There is something really fucked about how low quality this bait is. And how you're posting so often. You're trying to keep a thread up by replying to yourself and then falling into your own bait to convince others to get double fooled, but it's like a teenager talking.

Tell me, with this change, do you still want to catch them all? I know I do.

You chose the wrong game to be autistic about, breeding is kinda fun but not for getting perfect pokemon, just isn't worth it. Feels good being a casual and just exploring the world and catching cool looking pokes.

>>27258990
>Minmax is now one egg.
Nah min max will probably be 4iv or 5iv.

Remember when we first saw super training and thought counting EV was kill, but it turns out you only use it for small changes and reset bags while hordes+pokerus are orders of magnitude faster?

That's this, especially if it can only go up. If you can't drop from 31 to get the right HP it becomes a little harder.

This is honestly the best news so far this gem. Pokemon fucking fixed.

>>27259109
I don't think its that im really mad at hyper training so much that I am mad at the fact they chose to fix this issue

which is a non issue

rather than fix the multitude of other shitty things that exist in the game right now

>>27259055
I'll just keep breeding anyways, I just hope I don't have to deal with unintended shinies in the process being 99% perfect then not being feasibly able to use this to top them off

>inb4 other than events it's some shit like 200BP a cap

>>27252263
About fucking time, holy shit.

>>27259055
Wow, why the salt? You could fucking benefit from this too.

People like you are the reason the rest of us are convinced the only people upset by this are the ones assblasted about GF making the thousands of hours you spent breeding "perfect" imaginary monsters worthless.

>>27252263
>BREEDING SI KILL
Not yet, you still have to breed for Natures and egg moves.

>>27259136
Such as? Legit curious what shitty things you're referring to.

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>stat screen shows what moves are effective
>WAAAAH MUH HAND HOLDING GAME FREAK IS DEAD

>breeding for IVs now obsolete making even the most casual of people having perfect pokemon
>thx game freak :^)

Oh /vp/, never change.

>>27259211
Only egg moves, natures can be soft reset or Synchronized for.

>>27252574
>>27253465
Your. Their. Holy honk you guys are dumb

>>27259215
old gen move tutors
random move damage spread
stealth rock
ext...

>>27259219
Most casual people never heard of IVs and they surely won't spend hours in leveling pokemon to 100 or care about competitive.

>>27259264
>he still has trouble with stealth rocks

>>27259219
Trust me, the people that complains about the new battle screen and the end of breeding are the same, the others just have a brain

>>27259219
The fact that anyone is upset about this says way more about vp than anything else. Bottlecaps could also be a massive pain in the ass to get.

>>27259219
breeding for ivs was unnecessarily tedious

>>27259294
>he thinks stealth rocks are healthy for the game

I too enjoy being forced to have a rapid spinner on every team I make without exception

its almost as shitty as the concept of Mega evolution were but those aren't going away

>>27258290
>like I said its maybe a half hour for a hexa perfect if you don't suck ass at it

why the fuck are lying? a 6 IV ditto with destiny knot and a female parents with 6 IVs still doesn't guarantee you a 6 IV Pokemon. I bred 3 boxes of larvitars before I found a 6 IV baby.

THIS IS WITH 2 PERFECT IV PARENTS

>>27256738
This. Kept my Dragonite since FRLG and he's always been worked into my team but was never *perfect*, but kept him cause he's my bro.

>>27259304
>inb4 255 BP

>>27252263
post yfw when maxing ivs still takes ages if you do it this way, like horde training compared to super training

>>27259299
opposite

he is actually probably pretty accurate with his assessment

people that cried about the move screen are the same people that are cheering with this Hyper training shit

and the people that could give less than a shit about the move screen (because they already have the type chart memorized) are the ones that actually give a shit about changing a core mechanic and don't like Hyper training

casuals vs. non casuals

and the casuals are winning
unfortunate

>>27259344
3 boxes of larvitar is probably only about an hour

just seems like longer because you aren't doing anything else or don't actually enjoy what you are doing

but it was probably only about an hour for your 6iv on top of your general unluck

in my experience I can start with my Ditto and a parent of any IV spread and get a 6IV mon in about 1.5 boxes
so around 20-30 min

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>>27253785
yfw this is how they'll fix the shitty IV mechanics from VC red and blue

>breeding autists who circlejerk in their generals get BTFO

Best news Ive heard since game announcement

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>there are people in this thread right now who are mad that there will finally be more people battling online

get a hold of that autism please

>>27253813
in the website its stated you use bottle caps as the currency

how you get bottlecaps is another question

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>>27252263
>First shiny was a Numel with 0 in Sp.At and both defenses.
Don't worry bro. We'll get you fixed up real soon. They finally found a cure. You'll be up and Mega Evolving in no time.

>>27259405
they might show up for like 3 battles

get smashed by veterans who made it through their initial sucking phase

and leave again

overall population won't go up at all due to this change

if anything it will go down over veteran players not buying the game out of disgust

>>27254063
It was a great idea until artists started min/maxing the shit out of it and Nintendo and gamefreak couldn't keep the cheaters out.

Just eliminate ivs altogether and get the cheaters the Fuck out of here

>>27259382
>trying to validate your horrible opinions by saying you aren't casual

All these fags complaining about IV when they don't realise the main purpose of breeding was to be able to have new interesting move when it was introduced in gen 2. It was never about breeding 100 mon to reach a perfect mon and essentially abandoning 100 mon. This kind of shit in the first place goes agaisnt what pokemon is suposed to be about.

>>27259467
>not buying the game out of disgust
Why would anyone besides autists like you be disgusted by this?

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>>27259382
This is assuming you have a 6 IV parents to fucking begin with. With your injected 6 IV ditto of course it's easier.

Now the legit way you have to go out and find that good 3 IV ditto and start breeding it with a 3 IV whatever mon you want. Then you take those made babies and pray to god one of them has good IVs if not start over with a new batch. Then you take those babies and breed them with other good IV babies to once again hopefully get an okay batch. When you finally get a 5 IV baby (at best) you then breed it with another incest baby that has okay IVs and then hopefully that baby has 5 IVs then... you know what? Fuck this. Just typing this monotonous shit is putting me to sleep.

Thank you Gamefreak. This is the best feature included in Sun & Moon so far. Fuck the autists who enjoy bike simulator.

Don't worry IVfags. Knowing GF, Bottle Caps will cost 100 BP each and you'll need 5 to increase a stat by 1.

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>>27259467
>if anything it will go down over veteran players not buying the game out of disgust

I hope you're right anon we could use a good autism pruning

>>27259467
Nah I'm going to be able to conceivably make a team now - I'm not NEET or into trading but always used Simulators because IV's are retarded.

>>27259505
this. iv breeding isn't "hard" it's just a huge shitty timesink

>>27256844
If anything it increases their worth. Get a shiny that doesn't have perfect IVs and it's worthless. All IVs ever did was increase the grind, nothing else.

>>27258553
Get better reading comprehension. Nobody said they needed better IVs for the story.

I just hope Hyper Training doesn't become a thing until AFTER the league.

Perfect IVs and EVs before you can even get to the first gym? That's literally babby mode.

>>27256844
Shiny had no worth since Gen 6

>>27259505
good thing i never bothered with breeding that sounds terrible

>>27259761
It can be fun if you're breeding one of your favorite pokemon or something. Some kind of emotional investment that makes it less tedious.

>>27258640
>steak
Kek.

>>27259822
I don't want to put my favorite Pokemon through an incestious fuck cycle

Wait how does Hidden Power work now? Can you train up to a specific hidden power? Looks like super training gives you the exact EV now instead of just a graph, hopefully Hyper Training will so you don't overshoot an IV for the wrong hidden power.

>>27258640
What's stopping people from trading their perfect 6 IV Pokemon?

It's still easier to receive a 6 IV mon from a trade then it is to level it to 100, spend bottle caps and then do hyper training.

Those communities aren't going anywhere. If anything they will be more sought after since more people will start getting into the battling scene this way and will want 6 IV Pokemon faster.

>>27259897

Unless GF changes the data structure for Pokemon like they do every generation, of course.

>>27259890
We don't know how HP works yet anon. We don't even know how this training shit works.

>>27252574
But you just know they won't balance the game around this just like they didn't balance XY around the exp share, if they made the game hard as fuck and encouraged the player to get good and train his pokemon then it would have been great, but hey, gamefreak logic.

This thread is literally everyone shitting on everyone by pretending to be everyone else. What the fuck, /vp/. What the fuck.
I'm almost tempted to just copy it down in case /vp/ ever does hit the trash.

>>27252263
This is literally how it works..

The 2 hard cap is being removed.

All Pokemon in every evolution will have the same stats but at level 100 all pokemon including baby to Mega/burst evolutions will have the option to have 255 x 6. That means IVs will be set to 255 maximum for all 6 stats versus just 2.

The stats thenselves don't change and it won't put all pokemon on the same level but it will make Megas almost worthless aside the Ability change. 5th move burst will be deciding factors.

So that's pretty much it.

>>27260247
What the fuck are you saying?

>>27259505
Are you done arguing with yourself?

>>27259897
The idea is to stop people from cheating, or give them incentives to not do it and spend their time in the game, not on some third party unauthorized software

It's also for those people who don't want to get into numbers too deeply but want to maximize their Pokémon's potential.

>>27252263
do people actually enjoy the grind of breeding?

What I'm most glad about this is that its finally easy to get competitive legendaries without being a sperg and soft resetting hundreds of times, or hacking them in.

Seeing how much of a (hacked) legendary spamfest VGC16 has been this is a welcome change

>>27260247
>That means IVs will be set to 255 maximum for all 6 stats versus just 2.
you realize you're talking about EVs, right?

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>>27252263
The only emotion i'm capable of is wrath.

>>27260494
Stockholm Syndrome

>>27260505
>>27260310

Yes..

IV's will remain at 31x6 or whatever all of you set them at.

Base stats from level 1 - 100 will remain as they are now.

Difference is? All Pokemon; base to mega/burst at the level 100 will have the option to go 255 x 6.

Gen 7 Level 100:
31: HP
31: ATK
31: DEF
31: SP.ATK
31: SP. DEF
31: SPEED

GEN 7 BASE STAT AT LEVEL 100 x
HP: 255
Atk: 255
Def: 255
Sp. Atk: 255
Sp. Def: 255
Speed: 255


Literally the ONLY thing that is changing in Gen 7 is the removal of only two stats being set at 252 - 255.

You will be able to set all IV's to 31 x 6 like normal or 31; maximum and will remain that way, while your EV's can be set to 255.

That is it. That's all that's changing.

So take Mega-Charizard's level 100 base level stats then set at 255 x 6

Take Dugtrio's base level 100 stats then set at 255 x 6

Take Diglets base level 100 stats then set at 255 x 6

Ash-Greninja base level 100 stats then set at 255 x 6

--
Follow?

That is literally it. Nothing is changing outside of the EV cap being removed. The IV's will remain 31.

Make's sense now, ja?

I was chatting with friends while typing my earlier post so I fucked up a little. This should make up for that and teach you what to expect in Gen 7.

Yes, this is confirmed. Yes, I am your best source. Yes, you can thank me when it comes out for all the pre-calculations you can do now.

You're welcome, /vp/idiots.

>>27259890
those were raw stats, not ivs

>>27261055
*evs

>>27261012
Are you retarded?

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>>27261012
What the fuck are you smoking

>>27261081
Are you? Can't follow something that simple?

>>27261117
So you can't read or understand the mechanics of Pokemon?..

>>27261126
Where's your source on any of that?

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>>27252263
>Breedfag are going to stop complaying about injections

>>27256957
they'll be very hard to find in game...this isn't supposed to be a method to replace breeding, it's just something you can do a few times to make Pokemon you're attached to (something you've had since RSE, the VC RBY transfers, etc.) actually viable. I think it's perfect...it's not so easy as to replace breeding competitive Pokemon, but now if you get a shitty shiny you don't have to worry about it (other than natures).

>>27261201
>injectors will still cheat despite how easy it just became to get perfect mons legitimately

>>27261252
>they'll be very hard to find in game
[citation needed]

>>27261175
I'd like to know too.
Especially since th Pikachu in the video is, what a fucking surprise, a 6IV rash Pikachu with no EV whatsoever involved.
But yeah sure, it's actually all about EV and the Nintendo folks are ruse masters.

>>27256738
Havent realized this until now. my blaziken from my first ruby playthrough has adamant nature, life is good

>>27256844
Shinies are for autists only anyway

i just hope there will be some easy method to level up like restaurants in xy or blissey secret bases in ORAS.
Otherwise, i am gonna have to beat the league 200th times ike i did in red and gold

>>27261287
Even if shiny odds go up to something crazy like 1/25 and every mon has perfect ivs from the start along with being level 100 with the perfect evs, people will still inject. Because that dream ball Aigislash is totally that worth it.

>>27261438
Shouldn't be that difficult if Exp Share hasn't changed.

>>27258990
I already don't trade anymore because I don't want injected shit
will use this on legends, event mons and any wild shiny I catch, still breed the rest

>>27256798
play on showdown you clown
nobody can be arsed to autistically breed pokemon and grind forever holy shit what is wrong with you?

>>27262145
>playing with people who know their shit
>not playing against little Jimmy to crush his hopes to become the very best
It's like you hate fun.

Doesn't this mean EVs are just visible now and that you can gain the Stats at lvl 100?

>>27260075

Hyper Training only happens when the pokemon reaches level 100 so it's not like it would affect the story anywho.

GUYS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGt82G-6kxA
JAMES IS THE MR.HYPER

>>27259467
HAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>27252263
My Dream Ball Shiny HA Rampardos with 4 EMs will finally be perfect

>>27262214
just play low ladder showdown then.
dumpstering wannabe autists who play their shitty smogon: the team: the musical: the movie teams with your team of shitty mememons fresh outta showderp

>>27259501
>he's making sense! Everyone ignore him, quick!

>>27257457

Breeding is not pointless because you still gotta breed for egg moves, and all this means is you spend less time breeding as you won't have to hatch 10 eggs and dump them becuase they only have 4 perfect IVs as opposed to 5 IVs.

>>27258864
everyone who types in all lowercase is the same person

>>27258213
this guy is so right on this.

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>>27261151
>..

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>>27261012

>retards thinking it'll take less time to raise a pokemon to 100 then it will to just breed it with proper stats
>still have to EV train anyways

>>27263059
Several people in this very thread have mentioned that. The main draw is that it's way less tedious. Presumably.

Inb4 in gen 8 there is a way to change natures, because training up pokemon is so difficult.

>>27263120
They have no way of knowing that unless there's a really good spot for leveling in alola, and if they continue to do elite four rematches, if there even is one. Leveling to 100 takes way longer then just breeding, ev training then leveling to 50. If we're discussing the time it takes to breed for IVs vs leveling to 100, then breeding takes less time without a doubt. This thread is dumb and the IV thing hasn't even been confirmed yet.

>>27263574
it's a waste of time, not difficult.

>>27263663
>If we're discussing the time it takes to breed for IVs vs leveling to 100, then breeding takes less time without a doubt
Probably true, still way less tedious. At least you're actually playing the game. If it's not IVs, there's some high level rusing going on here, because what else would it be?

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so in other words I wasted all that time by IV breeding all my penta and hexa perfect pokémon.

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I'm still going to inject anyway.

>>27261454

Until you're banned from Battle Spot and sanctioned tournaments, of course...

>>27257700
It does not take just 30 minutes. An hour if you're lucky.

So basicly make IV's useless by allowing everyone to alternate it at will. Why bother to put IV's in gen7 in the first place?
Sure it's not that hard to penta perfect breed pokémon but still the hard work and time I put in these bits of data. Well aint this a bitch?

>>27253392
I kek'd

Next is natures and hidden power.

>>27264159

>but still the hard work and time

It's a video game. People don't want to do chores in a video game.

Also, grinding like an autist is not "hard work".

That's it, gen 7 is the best gen. Thank you, GF. I hated breeding, there is a difference between challenging and tedious. I have always found IVs fucking shit. Not only this makes IVs more fun, my ingame bros will be viable for competitive. This is the change I have been waiting for, I'm so pleased to hear this. Best Pokemon news I have heard for a while.

>>27252574
>You're

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Allow me to speak.
This is great, and I'm a faggot that used to breed.
Sorry for the other faglords sperging in this thread, but I feel this as a liberation and not as something bad. I'd rather stop that retarded, boring breeding sessions once and for all and be finally able to enjoy my pokémon without worrying about those stupid IV. They RUINED pokèmon for me since I discovered about them, I always had to check that they were good, even in the main adventure. Fuck that shit forever, goodbye, nothing of value was lost.

>>27264275
I dunno sounds to me like another lazy addition to the game for lazy people. Beside it was not that hard to get those perfect IV's. Find a ditto and get lucky. I however guess it might be good for legendary pokémon to get perfect IV's.
Think about it perfect IV mega rayquaza and arceus.

>>27264428
the only reason people like breeding for IV's is because it helps keep competetive a sekret klub

>>27264275
>I always had to check
>even the shitmons from the main adventure that are almost guaranteed to be bad

retard
just play the story without worrying about them since they don't have any impact on the story and once you have beaten the game and want to do online battling breed up a team. It wasn't that hard and it wasn't time consuming

was it boring?
yes
did it need to be removed/changed?
no

only people that cry about breeding are those that don't actually do it
anyone who has ever put a few hours into it realizes just how simple it is and kinda just gets over it even if they do find it tedious

>>27264600
which it should stay a sekret club

endgame for any video game requires some form of time investment

things like breeding helped separate the wheat from the chaff and are perfectly fine mechanics to have in games

all that is gonna change now is the people who whined about IVs will find some new arcane mechanic that they either A. don't understand or B. are to lazy to do and will complain about it until it gets changed in the next gen

>>27264845
Nintendo is obviously trying to make the entry point for online battles lower to elongate the life span of pokemon games

seems like a good thing to me

>>27264750
Games are supposed to be fun, not boring tedious shit. There is absolutely no challenge in breeding, it's just awfully tedious which returns me to my main point, games are supposed to be fun. Honestly bikefags are just pathetic individuals who feel superior for being able to do boring shit for hours. It's like you are proud of being able to watch paint dry.

>>27265061
>grinding was never and should never be a thing in games
>I shouldn't have to ever not be having fun in order to obtain everything I want EVER

millennials in a nutshell

>>27256738
>have a calm event celebi on my heart gold cart

fuck yes

>>27252263

I'm oh ok with that.

>>27265258
Again, it's a game. I expect to be entertained when I play a game, not bored. This is coming from a gamer who likes challenges and puts effort in games. Grindfags are the worst, there is nothing good with doing the same easy shit over and over again.