What went wrong?

>>27232820
Jesus... I didn't realise just how shitty it was.

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And the other half.

It's montone and boring..oh and small

RBY were better.

>>27232820
How do boats get out of Vermillion?

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What went wrong?

I really wish that instead of making new games with enhanced graphics they would just extend the old games. There should be end-game content up to 90+ that isn't just battle tower shit

I'd love an expansive pokemon universe in the GBA graphics

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>>27232939
Under the bridge

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>>27233131
Thanks google

Actually, considering, nothing went wrong because it was made for a system in which you couldn't have that much visual flair to start with, so of course it's bland.

Sevii really has no excuse, they could've made a more extensive postgame if they wanted.

Johto has better story elements, but like with Kanto, it was made for a simpler system, so it is also not that stunning.

>>27233131
Fuck the bridge, how does it get past all those rocks connecting Fuchsia City to Seafoam/Cinnabar to Pallet Town?

>>27233181
That picture alone suggests that its too big for the bridge

>>27232820
That's not the R/B/Y version, though
That was way worse

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>>27233194
It's better, actually.

>>27232862
>tfw all of the unused ocean on the path leading to Trainer Tower
and for what fucking purpose

>>27233243
What?

>>27233391
Bottom left island.

Look how there's this giant patch of blue that looks different?

This is part of the ocean that's actually in-game.

>>27232942
Nothing actually.

>>27233098
This would be cool. Hell you could fit like 3 regions in.

>>27232820
If Kanto every comes back how would you go about expanding it?

A small town on the left between Fushsia and Lavender would be good. Every route connected to Saffron city could be expanded upon

Volcano dungeon too

I mean all the regions look small and shitty when you put it out like that.

>>27232820
I will never not be complexed by that fence maze between Fuchsia and the route south of Lavender town. The route feels like one of the longer ones without a town or cave before you add it, and with it there I feel like they meant to have some neat construction site going on but couldn't fit the assets or ran short of time.

People have asked this question before right? Are there any speculations or documentation to look up?

>>27232820
Is there one for Hoenn?

>>27233926
My guess it was originally empty without a route, but they filled it in with a route & trainers at the last second to give more experience to the player and to make the region less empty.

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>>27233935
It's huge.

>>27234022
Not trying to start a genwar but I love how much variation they managed to get in the map.

Within three routes you have a volcano, a desert and a route filled with ash.

>>27234022
Hoenn does a better job of making set pieces, environments that are actually interesting to look at, but the original still suffers from the limitations of the time, and is just...flat. OR/AS illustrates it a bit better, but the unnatural blockiness detracts from it.

>>27234072
And it also is still limited by the grid based design, so it's not as expansive as it should be.

>>27233145
That's not even a drawbridge.
How?

>>27234090
It's a video game, autismo.

>>27234072
>>27234085
That's what I love about it though, they managed to do their best at making an immersive and varied landscape despite the hardware limitations.

>>27234101
"Its a video game" isn't an excuse

>>27232942
>bad level curve
>shitmons everywhere
>end up with two half-regions instead of one fully fleshed out region because "muh Kanto"

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>>27234022
Damn, is this what Hoenn looks like from above? I'm amazed I haven't seen this before. It looks really good. What a nice, diverse, expressive region. I can see why it has fans.

>>27232942
Man johto is pathetic a

>>27234216
Hoennbabbie, please

>>27234238
It's a shame pokemania died out before RS was released. It could have continued if it came out sooner.

>>27234022
>there will never be a region without that black empty places

Hoenn would be at least twice as big

>>27234257
>"E-Everybody who points out Johto's flaws is a Hoennbaby!"
Quit being so paranoid. No region is without fault.

>>27234308
>No region is without fault.
Sinnoh disagrees.

one for sinnoh?

>>27234312
>slow
>HMs everywhere
>those snow and marsh routes slowing you down even further
No. Sinnoh is definitely better, but it's not perfect.

>select all images with mountains

>>27232820
Is there one for Sinnoh, Unova and Kalos?

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>>27234312
Sinnoh is my favorite region and i have to
disagree.
There should have been way more water routes and other areas could have been more connected to each other, like here.

I really dont like these dead-end routes.

>>27234384
I want to see this as well.

>>27234312
Sinnoh had the most confusing layout and the game played horribly. It was the most tedious experience I have ever had in a pokemon game and it gave us such shit as Purugly, Probopass, and LickyLicky.

>>27233145
Is it safe to keep a Safari Zone that close to the region's main harbour?

What if something escapes? It looks like a really short distance for Nidoran, Eggxecute and Kangaskhan to sneak onto a ship

>>27232942
>>27234022
>jpg

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>>27234424
>confusing layout

>>27234424
>confusing layout
lol dummy

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My attempt at Kalos a while back

>>27232862
I always loved the Sevii Islands. I really want to play Fire Red again simply because I haven't explored the Sevii Islands in a long time but I'm bored of Kanto.

>>27232820
Tro-cchan decided it's fine to be a samefag bitch on boards he hates as long as his beloved /mlp/ is kept safe. That's also why sjws shouldn't be furries

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>>27232922
>the same thing, but on inferior technology
>better

>>27234519
better version is like 12mb

>>27232942
Such a better region. It's close-knit. Look at the amount of area encircled by the routes, and how much less there is than in Kanto. It actually makes you feel like you're exploring the majority of the region.

>>27234384
There is a half complete one for sinnoh and a very partial one for unova. The unova one doesn't work very well because the routes don't connect properly.

>>27232820
That all the space between cities are just a straight passage for you to walk.
It's understandable 20 years ago when you were limited with a couple of megabits to design everything, but there's no excuse today.
It waters down the Adventure experience Pokemon is supposed to bring to you.

>>27232820
>>27232862
>>27232942
>these are shit!

>>27234022
>but my precious region is amazing
Of course it's a Hoennshitter thread.

>>27235881
there are 34 people in here, perhaps maybe it's possible they are different people

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>>27232820
What went wrong?

>>27237334
Bad pokemon distribution, tedious routes, bad pokestop distribution, TOO MUCH WATER WITH NOTHING IN IT. Great graphics though, the art direction is a bit boring.

>>27237334
Also I don't get why they 3 giant snowy areas with nothing in them. It just makes the map feel so empty.

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>>27235881
>Johtoddlers getting triggered by invisible Hoennbabbies

>>27238330
What happens if you try to play Go way out it the middle of the ocean, anyway?

>>27238478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3vVI6hPrh8

>>27238546
That's not the middle of the ocean, anon.

>>27234429
This ain't fucking DreamWorks Madagascar

>>27233181
Route 20. Are you fucking blind?

>>27233775
See all that white space? Any of that would be a good place for expansion.

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>>27232820
Gameboy space limitations
>showing the FR/LG map
>not showing the added areas

>>27238860
The added areas suck monkey dick.

>>27234619
Jesus that's awful.

>>27238881
>Implying Seven island isn't one of the best areas in pokemon history

>>27238478
You get nothing because everyone knows that wild Pokemon are attracted to busy population centers, while being next to non-existent in the wild.

>>27238979
Ironically enough

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>>27232942
Here's a higher quality version.

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>>27232820
>>27233219
GSC Kanto for comparison.

>>27232820
No top of mount moon.

>>27232942
Nothing, it's fantastic.

>>27234022
Beautiful diversity. If the water routes had more pokemon than wingull, pelipper, tentacool, and tentacruel, it would be perfect. More diving too.

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>no one's posted Sinnoh yet

>>27232820
considering it had the most freedom of mobility of any region? nothing. it lacks the exoticism of some of the later regions, but it also wasn't meant to be. shoehorning in generic JRPG locales only happened with hoenn when they had no good ideas and the subtle charm of a familiar (sub)urban adventure was lost.

>>27239557
This is a good illustration of how tedious and annoying most sinnoh routes are

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>>27234384
There is a finished Sinnoh one.
http://galifiastudios.deviantart.com/art/The-Sinnoh-region-birds-eye-view-584570068

Full sized one is too big for 4chins.

>>27233219
>>27234022
>>27239071
>>27239095
Thanks anons. I love me some full game maps.

>>27239557
>>27239655
You two as well, thanks

>>27239557
>>27239655
>Snowpoint this south
Why? The guide has a map just like this one and it had the common sense to put it further up. If I recall correctly it has a placeholder brown bar for Mt Coronet that helps it do so.

Nothing hoenn is the best region

>>27239655
>we'll never know what was north of Amity Square

WHO BUILT THE HOUSES?

>>27239765
I put it further north in mine, but it's too big to post and I can't shrink it from here. Imgur froze at about 97%.

>>27239649
Have to disagree, every route in Sinnoh was intricate and memorable, like Hoenns route 119. The pokemon were also diverse and memorable so there was no level curve issues like Jhoto or linerality like Unova

>>27234386
My guess is they toned down the water in Sinnoh since it followed right after Hoenn.

>>27239969
Route 119 is my favorite route so I get where you're coming from, but the difference is that 119 has actual roads and open space. A lot of sinnoh puts a ridicoulus amount of grass between you and your destination, as well as a higher encounter rate. Then you also have a ridicoulus amounts of HM's needed.

>>27239557
>>27239655
Sinnoh is such an uly region. It's like it can't decide if it wants to be historical and rural or modern and industrial, and instead it's just a clusterfuck of everything thogether. Unova and Kalos are even worse at that though.

>>27232820
>>27232862
>>27232942
>>27234022
>>27234619
>>27234386
>>27239071
>>27239095
>>27239655
wtf I hate pokemon now!

>>27240029
Sinnoh almost always gives the option of skipping the grass, bar a few outliers (frontier zone).Usually you are given the choice of chancing a grass route or a trainer battle, but i always fight the trainers anyway so it made no difference. Although I live hoenn too, the lack of forced grass segments meant my team was always stagnant, if you wanted a new pokemon you would have to try find it or know where they reside rather than stumble on them.

>>27240145
>if you wanted a new pokemon you would have to try find it or know where they reside rather than stumble on them.
This any day. If I want to encounter new pokemon I go in the grass. Having short patches of obligatory grass is cool but when you have to run through 20+ tiles or a giant tundra it turns extremely tedious and annoying.

>>27239655
>>27239557

This is missing a lot

Needs Spear Pillar and the lakes

>>27241887
They're not to scale with the rest of the overworld.

>>27232942
>>27234805
This. It also feels the most cohesive

>>27234619
All those conflicting environments

>>27234022
>>27239557

I never realized there was so little unused space for Hoenn, and how fucking massive Sinnoh was.

Also how conflicting the environments of Kalos were

>>27240030
Europe is such and uly region. It's like it can't decide if it wants to be historical and rural or modern and industrial, and instead it's just a clusterfuck of everything thogether.

>>27240030
>hating on postmodernism
>2016

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>>27239765
That image incorrectly places it. Both the in-game map and official art place it in the proper place

>>27234216
>muh level curb

>>27234022
dunno why, but I always generalized Hoenn as a swelteringly humid region. Probably because of no snowy routes. Then again, my first game was Platinum, so...

>>27239655
Can we get a map for HGSS Kanto/Johto?

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>>27244186
I've got this one, but it's not really hi-res.

>>27232942
>>27244291
Does the Ruins of Alph and the exit of union cave not scale well? Because it's not present in both and would take out a lot of the empty space near Goldenrod.

Also, if anyone has a better HGSS map I would love it

>>27244144
It is definitely a problem, no matter which way you look at it. Johto's E4 isn't even that difficult. It's one of the easier ones, and it's not because of the level spike that anybody ever had trouble with it.

>>27244426
It doesn't. The Ruins of Alph is a separate map in the game's coding. I don't have that picture on me that shows it, but the map is just too small for the gate entrances to the north and east to match with those on the overworld.

>>27244593
Ironic since the map art shows that the ruins are the size of a city.

Also noticed that the National Park, Pokeathelon Dome and Frontier dont fit either.

>>27244621
>Ruins the size of a city

Holy SHIT I need to get HGSS.

>>27244664
What are you doing, buy that shit now. NOW!

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>>27244664
I mean as usual the scaling is off but the implication is that they are fairly large, yes. And still the best ruins in the series.

>>27239557
ya know what? I really disliked sinnoh but taking a look at it here for the first time in like 10 years, it actually doesn't look that bad. It's got some cool environments, but like someone else said, some of the routes were very tedious and there was so much HM gating. I think remakes will give them an opportunity to really nail it

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>>27244426
>>27244621
I decided to fuck around and edit areas like the Ruins and Park into the Johto maps to see how it looks. It give a pretty clear view of how they don't scale with the rest of the map.

>>27244664
>>27244711
Anon from >>27244664

Just saw the HGSS Arceus event, and I am stunned. Sinnoh's lore is my absolute favorite in the series, and the fact that there is no way to legitimately get to the Sinjoh Ruins pisses me off to no end. It's only the point from which Arceus created the entire world!

I just wish I could've seen the board's reaction to
it when it was first discovered.

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>>27245167

>>27245168
shit, marked myself twice. wanted to reply to >>27245008

>>27245168
Yeah. Gen 4 in general has amazing lore between Sinnoh and Johto. Almost every location has some historical purpose. And also the best of both worlds with Sinnoh's one big cohesive lore and Johto's different lore for each location.

>>27245180
>>27245167
I see now. Interesting. The park was too big and the ruins were too small. Still, amazing how little empty space that leaves the map with. Love it.

Also, man the Frontier. No explanation for the thick jungle right beside Moo Moo Farm either. Though you forgot Frontier Access, a small town that had the BP shops.

>>27244291
bump for bigger map

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what about this region?

>>27246572
Probably gonna be a mix of Hoenn and Johto. Varied environments but very compact region.

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>>27234619
>crop tool

>>27232942
Houndoom, Larvitar, Murkrow and Misdreavus can't be found until post-game.

Most of the trainers use Kanto Pokemon. Hell, Falkner, Bugsy, Morty and Chuck don't have any Johto Pokes at all.

Terrible level curve. Seriously, boss Pokemon of Clair is 30-something and the E4 jump to mid-40's so you have to grind in Victory Road for a few hours.

Also, too small for the routes, but limitations make that forgivable.

>>27234216
>>27247464

This thread is only about the observable overworld though?

>>27247625
Why did you put that question mark there?

>>27247642
To question why you'd go off topic I suppose? Sort of a rhetorical question I didnt ask.

I dont know where I got that from.

>>27247264
I like those rivers coming down from Frost Cavern and stretching around the map.

>>27244144
>I'll put "muh" in front of a glaring flaw to delegitimize it

>>27234429
Isn't that basically the explanation for why so many old pokemon show up in BW2? A bunch of pokemon escaped from the PokéTransporter and started breeding in the wild.

>>27234619

I will never understand how shit Kalos actually is

>Heres's a subtle snow area

>Here's a normal route

>Here's a real fucking heavy snow area

>Here's a normal forest

also the desert is the absolute worst shit in existence

even Sinnoh does it better and i cant even remember if Sinnoh had a desert in the first place

>>27247994
The snow in Snowbelle comes from the gym, it isn't actual a snowy location, if that helps you anon.

>>27245008

I just noticed that extra route next to cianwood

I was confused cause i cant remember

then i noticed the layout and where it leads up to

Reminds me again that Gen 4, as great as it was, has the most absolutely garbage safari zone i have ever seen

>110 days just to get a fucking Bronzong

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>>27244044
If you are going to make analogies to sound smart and ironic, at least make sure they are not dumb as fuck. Just because it happens in real life, doesn't mean it's not ugly in real life too.

And europeans in particular hate that. Just look at Paris, with the eiffel tower first, and years later the Tour Montparnasse, and again later with the Louvre pyramid. Pretty shit analogy overall.

Sinnoh is just ugly. Eternia city has Hinamizawa houses mixed with brooklyn brownstones and a buzz light year building on top. Then there's the city with the church, the giant dome and the pointless pokemon park with giant termite nests. Besides being ugly, it's arranged in the most retarded way possible, with the idyllic flower town famous for it's pure flower aroma being stuck between the shibuya crossing and fucking ironworks. Oh and the egyptian obelisc right next to the hillbilly town.

Unova went even more retarded with this, with the desert in the middle of a metropolis.

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>>27247994
Those Dugtrios...

>>27240121
....but why?

and why the fuck are you still in /vp/?

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>>27233194
Original Kanto best Kanto.

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>>27247994
Kalos' "desert" isn't even a desert though. It's a badlands caused by too much irrigation. The game explains it to you. And if you notice, the gate leading to it follow's Lumiose's river, adding to that explanation. But yeah even I have to call shenanigans on Snowbelle's gym causing snow.

Also Sinnoh's desert area was actually just a bunch of ash from the volcano, like route 119.

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>>27233926
>>27233996
>My guess it was originally empty without a route, but they filled it in with a route & trainers at the last second to give more experience to the player and to make the region less empty.
Yeah, it looks like they just added it near the end because all the old art just has a long bridge over it.
c
>>27233145
>>27248546
>People have asked this question before right? Are there any speculations or documentation to look up?
Not really. People have noticed that there's 9 unused gym badge items in the inventory and there was a town cut under Celadon though.
There's also extra unused trainers, an unused mart, and some other shit that's not connected to anything. The Safari Zone also had some cut content and was originally gonna have you fight Silph employees in the rest areas.

>other ramblings about Kanto
One that's bugged me is the town color/badge naming disparities between the English and Japanese versions (Palette Town, Celadon City, Indigo Plateau) and how the SGB town palettes follow the English names.

Also, I find it really weird how the highest numbered routes are above Cerulean City. I wonder if it was one of the last places to be designed.

>>27248546
Nah Kanto benefits from the god tier Gen 4 art

>>27248030
Safari Zone Gate was a great location though