someone explain me why a fish evolves into an octopus

>>27082851
Handgun --> Cannon

>>27082851
pokémon logic xD
so random
I'm enjoying GO btw

>>27082872

that doesn't explain why one is a fish and the other is an octopus
also remoraid looks nothing like a handgun

Because it isn't real

Someone explain to me why an amoeba evolves into a human?

It's funny because I typed this in refence to real life then I remembered Zygarde is a thing now.
Yes I know form changes aren't the same as evolution.

>>27082897
The bottom fin is where you hold your hand.

>>27082897
>also remoraid looks nothing like a handgun
are you shitting me
i mean more specifically it is a revolver but it is literally a blobby revolver. One is a fish because they characterized a water gun as a fish and the other is an octopus because they characterized a cannon as an octopus.

because it's a gun that turns into a cannon, so those animals made the most sense, plus they're water type so not like they gave a shit.

Explain to me why a fish turns into a serpent, or why a clam turns into a long-nosed chimaera? It's Pokemon they don't have to explain shit.

>>27082945
>>27082936
are you seriously defending this?

>>27082966
What's your explanation, then?

>>27082966
Yes? Because it's a clever design.

when I was a kid I used to think that remoraid evolved into mantine

>>27082966
is this common bait? the other guy could be legitimately retarded.

>>27082966
You're right, your argument that consists of talking down to me to in an attempt imply that it is a bad thing inherently without actually having a reason to show its a bad thing really proved to me that it's a bad thing and I am now a #cruzmissile

We will never know however the proposed middle Eco is most pleasing

>>27082851
It's more of a showcase for the evolution from guns to tanks increasing in firepower as well as an improvement on certain tactical advantages of war.

Faggot

>>27082989
>it's a clever design
you are so easy to impress

>>27082962
>why a clam turns into a long-nosed chimaera
>fish turns into a serpent

if you guys are so baffled by remoraid and octillery why not these?

>>27082851
For the same reason a coconut crab evolves into a beetle

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>>27082897
>remoraid looks nothing like a handgun

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>>27082851
Octopi have suction cups on their tentacles

Remora have suction cups on their heads

also >>27082872

>>27083051
triggered

>>27083019
It's a clever and subtle design choice that not many people like you get or appreciate. I mean a Tortoise with blatant shoulder cannons is cool and all but if you stop to analyze a Pokémon that you don't like, I see you'll find that it's actually based on something. In fact, every Pokémon is based on something.

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>>27083019
It's a clever design because it's subtle. It still looks like a fish but the design makes complete sense when you understand that it's supposed to look like a gun.

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>>27082897

ok I get, one is a gun and the other is a cannon
but
WHY IS ONE A FISH
AND THE OTHER IS AN OCTOPUS

this is a retorical question, I don't actually want an answer because theres no justification and it makes no sense.

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>>27082851 (OP)

Remoraid is based on a gun
Octillery is based on a tank (Octank is even its Japanese name)

>Archerfish shoot water
>Octopi shoot ink

>Remora have suction cups that allow them to attach themselves other animals like sharks and manta rays
>Octopi have suction cups

>A gun is a weapon
>A tank is a weapon

>>27083090
But an octopus is a fish.

>>27083090
It was literally explained here >>27082945

>>27083090
Why does this bother you so much? Do you want another big Remoraid evolution that looks the exact same or do you want a motherfucking octopus?

>>27083090
Ok how would you represent a tank with a fish

>>27083128
I want each to have separated evolution lines, thanks

>>27082851
>>27082994
Fuck... I swear I enter /vp/ just to make the same thread and also say that I used to think remoraid evo was Mamtine when I was a kid...
Need to leave this site for a couple of months... I'm slowly becoming more and more like you all.

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>>27083131

Not a fish.
Not a octopus.

It's a monster turning into another monster.

>>27083142
How would that accomplish anything? You would be destroying a thematic link between Remoraid and Octillary.

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>>27083157

>>27083180
a thematic link no one would notice if it wasn't because of the anime.

>>27083157
Clever but a fish turning into a fishtank makes less sense than a fish turning into an octopus.

Pokemon are monsters, not animals.

The title of the series is Pocket Monsters.

Some of them are based on animals, but they are monsters with supernatural powers. They don't have to make sense.

>>27083195
Is subtlety somehow a bad thing?

>>27083090
Why does a mouse become a badger? Why does a clam become an eel? Why does Nut become a Tengu? Why does a Tapir become a Jew?

Also real octopi have beaks in between their tentacles, but Octillery has a snout on its face, like a tank gun

>>27083195
You have to be a retard to not be able to tell, at the very least, that Remoraid is supposed to look like a gun. Octillery is very subtle but Remoraid so fucking obviously a gun.

>>27083238
I think we dont share the same concept of subtlety
>>27083266
those are all bad evolution concepts actually. but I guess you guys will call them "subtle" evolutions

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Can we talk about how great this is? They manage to fit another Pokemon into a Pokemon's design while making a manta ray look like a fighter jet.

>>27083292
Pokemon just might not be the franchise for you.

>>27083292
Ok my definition of a subtle link is a connection that is not immediately obvious and may be baffling at first but becomes clear when it's explained to you.

>but I guess you guys will call them "subtle" evolutions
Stop putting words in our mouths you faggot. That's not an argument.

>>27083311
>if you don't like ALL pokemons you don't like pokemon

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Why does a seagull become a pelican?

>>27083349
You seem to be fundamentally opposed to something that has always been common in and at the core of the franchise.

>>27083301
>Mantine will never get an evolution/mega with an Octillery mounted on it's back

>>27083353
taht makes more sense, both are white sea birds
>>27083342
subtle does not equal good.

>>27083349
No it's the fact that you want a mythical creature turns into another mythical creature in a way that makes sense in reality.

Gun > Cannon

>>27083349
But Pokemon that portray evolution realistically are slim to none and you're constantly complaining about realism and comparing it to the real world.

Pokemon aren't real animals and don't behave like them. It's not "Why does a fish become an octopus?" it's just a simple fact of like that a Remoraid becomes an Octillery, that's how it works. Thats how they metamorphise.

We don't bitch about Caterpillars becoming Butterflies, that's just how it works.

>>27083390
>subtle does not equal good.
And subtle doesn't mean it's bad either. We explained why it's a good design countless times in this thread and your only argument is that "it's not realistic" which has been debunked countless times by the fact that they're not real.

>>27083414
So basically, the only good evolution lines are the ones that are just the first stage but bigger.

How inspired.

Because it's a stupid design. Instead of making an actual gun pokemon and an actual tank pokemon they went with these watered down versions that make no sense thematically, probably to keep whiny parents happy.

>>27083379
sometimes they managed to pull it off because a subtle line still joined one concept to another and sometimes it's just too different like in this case

>>27083448
I know this is a bait post but it's so weak. These make perfect sense thematically. There are fish that spit water like a water gun and octopus are often characterized as launching balls of ink.

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>>27083414
But Guncannon trumps all.

Its forehead is a duck's face.

someone explain to me why a slamander evolves into a dragon?
Or a guinea pig into Baragon?
Or a pig into a wooly mammoth?

Because they have a theme. Gamefreak isn't as stupid to make evolutions for no reason. Take Trubbish and Vanillite for example. The two mons fucking no one seems to like. When Trubbish evolves it evolves from a freshly tied bad into an overflowing abomination because trash bags rot and spill contents. Vanilite evolves from a Cup to a Wafflecone, to a double Wafflecone. Anyone who's been to an ice cream store knows that those are the choices you have.

Every Pokémon has a theme and executes it just fine.

Whether you like Octillery's design is another story completely.

>>27083448
I'm not one to bitch about ice cream Pokemon and garbage bag Pokemon but are you seriously trying to make the case that Pokemon that are literally based off inanimate objects are less stupid than Pokemon whose designs incorporate both animal and inanimate aspects?

>>27083432
>We explained why it's a good design countless times
no you didn't. you just said it's subtle.
also, separately they are good designs but not as an evolution line.

>>27083465
>fish evolves into octopus
>makes sense
Pretty sure this is the bait post.

>>27083495
It's not a fish and an octopus. It's a remoraid and an octillery.

>>27083465
hey why not make the octopus evolve into a shark that shoots eggs.and let's make it look like a mortar or something. there you go, another maervelous subtle concept!

>>27083523
Well why the fuck not? What's the problem if it looks fine? I know you're attempting for hyperbole here but there's pretty much nothing wrong with that idea.

>>27083523
Hey not a bad idea.

>>27083465
I-It's a fish
>>27083520
>I-It's n-not a fish
>>27083547
I just proved you guys think anything joined by a thin conceptual line is a clever design.

>>27083488
Because in this case, subtlety MAKES the design good. Because it looks plain and ordinary until you realize it's based on something entirely different. Then the evolution to Octillary makes sense.

I will agree with you that subtlety is neither inherently good nor bad. It's what you make of it.

>>27083565
No, it's not a clever design, it's a clever idea. There is no design to materialize the idea.

>>27083060
This is disgusting.

Reminder that Octillery can actually change color at will and transitioned from Remoraid's inert and inconspicuous color scheme to a loud in-your-face red because it's now cocky as shit with it's newfound strength, no longer having to piggyback off of other stronger Pokemon for protection like the weakling it once was.

You'd be surprised at how crazy real life animal biology and behaviors can get. Sea creatures in particular are some of the strangest.
Pokemon like Magikarp and Remoraid are just similar ideas taken to extremes.

>>27083565
>I just proved you guys think anything joined by a thin conceptual line is a clever design.
No you didn't? You showed no sort of a design and so they can't be commenting on a design that doesn't exist. They are commenting on a well executed concept

>>27083565
Well maybe it is. It can work. Fuck off already.

I think you just hate Remoraid and Octillery for the sake of hating Remoraid and Octillery. Seriously, never work in design.

>>27083480
>charizard remains a fire reptile
>nidoking remains whatever the fuck nidorino was
>mamoswine remains a pig
>a gun becomes a tank, a fish becomes an octopus
Spot the odd one out there

>>27083577
this all could still be valid if octillery was a fish or a shark anything but an octopus. the problem is not the gun-canon part.
>>27083627
Like I said, I actually like them as individual concepts.

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>>27083645
Holy SHIT
Thank you for proving my point.

>>27083645
>a weapon remains a weapon, an aquatic creature remains an aquatic creature*
FTFY

>>27083486
In this case they are.

>>27083565
I'm sorry that Remoraid doesn't act like it does in the real world. I'll be sure to keep that in mind next time I see the lightning summoning mice.

>>27083675
>all aquatic animals are the same
Have you finished primary school?

>>27083387
Holy shit, I never realised how awesome this would be.

>>27083686
>pokemons are random! anything goes! xD

>>27083696
>all white birds are the same

>>27083696
Never said that they were. I just said that they're aquatic creatures. Work on your strawman.

>>27083696
You called a Woolly Mammoth a pig, so have you?

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>>27083696
Nigga have YOU? Last I checked, fish and Octopi were both aquatic.

>>27083060
>remoras have suction cups on their heads
>Octillery has suction cups on their heads
HOLY SHIT

>>27083715
they are closer to each other than a fish is to a fucking octopus

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>>27083711
>XDD SO RANDOM

>>27083645
Nidoran M is a rabbit and Midoran F is a hamster. Why does a hamster turn into Nidorina?

>>27083711
Work on your strawman, man.

>>27083696
So a salamander and a dragon are the same.
Right.

>>27083723
>>27083716
You two need to work on your reading comprehension, back to your homework now.

>>27083730
But they aren't the same. Where do yo udraw this arbitrary line where it's okay when some stuff that isn't the same turns into something else but these other things that aren't the same turn into sometihng else? Why should your arbitrary line be the goalpost?

>>27082851
Handgun to cannon
Sea creature that spits water to sea creature that spits ink

>>27083747
in the medium term is virtue. this is something people that defend a fish becoming an octopus don't understand.

>>27083747
In mythology they sometimes are.

the remoraid handgun thing is a flimsy argument since gamefreak has never been shy about making their shit actually look like the object they are based on, like all the object mons they ever made, or latios and latios being jets

i think the better question is why the fuck does clamperl turn into two eels

Are you guys buttblasted because a gun fish evolves into a tank octopus, or because you don't belive it?

>>27083721
MamoSWINE. It's in the fucking name.

>>27083767
I pelican is like a fat seagull, an octopus has no relation whatsoever to a fish except they are both aquatic creatures

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>>27083780
You are trying way too hard now. We told you many reasons why they evolve into eachother. Kindly fuck off.

>>27083783
I agree. that's another bad evolution line

>>27083805
A pelican is not "like a fat sea gull", get fucking real. There is no relation except beign white birds.

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>Ctrl F Pulseman
>0 results

Christ /vp/ is uneducated.

Remoraid is a cameo from a game Sugomori worked on called Pulseman, Japanese for the Sega mega drive.

Octillery is a cannon evo. The concept is Fishgun, octopuscannon. Remora, Cephalopod.

Its not meant to be a solid sensical evo, it was for fun.

>>27083783
>i think the better question is why the fuck does clamperl turn into two eels
Yeah I have yet to make sense of this one.

>>27083783
Clamperl is a fish egg in a clam that's meant to look like a pearl, that's why it evolves into eels

>>27083805
Your mistake is thinking that Pokemon are bound by the rules of real animals and reality generally. We have fire breathing birds, psychic tapirs, kung-fu frogs and haunted candles. Just because no real fish metamorphoses into an Octopus it doesn't mean that a Pokemon can't or shouldn't.

Why are people arguing about what one magical monster turns into another?

Pokemon dont have any rules to what they can or cant be. Some pokemon have a natural progression of steadily changing features. Some basically stay the same and get bigger. And some go off the wall and change completely everything.

A gun to a cannon is what they wanted to design, but instead of just making a inanimate gun and cannon pokemon they just designed them after two animals that could easily share the same water typing and are both known for spitting a liquid of some kind. Is that really hard to understand?

If you dont like it, dont like it, but thats the path Gamefreak decided to take. They probably didnt rattle their brains over it that much anyways.

You really shouldn't let this kind of stuff eat away at you. Its unhealthy

>>27083822
but you didn't tell me why a fish evolves into an octopus yet
>>27083831
the only birds that comes to your mind when you think about white sea birds

>>27083831
bird jane goodall over here has clearly never seen a fat sea gull

did you get your ornithology degree off of a box for lucky charms you fucking hack?

go back to UPenn

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>>27083448

>watered down

>>27083860
Albatross, Puffin, Boobie

>>27083855
go to
>>27083780
>>27083711
>>27083460

>>27083860
Ever heard of a fucking albatross?

>>27083845
>>27083823
>>27083805
>>27083780

I bet you're the same type of person that hates all object Pokemon too. How do you feel about the aliens and ghosts? They're not realistic either.

>>27083831
They prefer to be around water. You are a bitch go back to kindergarten

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>>27083860
>people are still responding to this fucknugget

I'm surprised you didn't say anything about Glalie and Snorunt either.

>>27083891
Octopi and fish live in water. That's probably a closer relation than just "being around" water.

>>27083880
ok those would be valid evolutions aswell, but not a sea gull evolving into, for example, a fucking pterodactyl.

and this is why octillary is bs

>>27083910
>A sea gull couldn't evolve int oa pterodactyl in pokemon
Are you serious?

>>27083783
>i think the better question is why the fuck does clamperl turn into two eels
That's one's actually a bit easier, if not immensely unintuitive.

>Clamperl grows while being protected by its rock-hard shell. When its body becomes too large to fit inside the shell, it is sure evidence that this Pokémon is getting close to evolution.

It's not actually a clam as you'd normally think of one. It's a fish egg/embryo with a shell that only hatches when near full maturity.

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ITT: /vp/ has no idea of remoraid's origins

>>27083890
it's not about realism you autist, it's about the aesthetics AND the concept. both are just as important.

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>>27083910
what if the pterodactyl evolved into a bird

I am still wondering why an EGG evolves into a coconut tree XD

>>27083910
>sea gull evolving into, for example, a fucking pterodactyl.
I would see no problems with this if it was executed properly and they had a strong connection between them. Remoraid's and Octillary's connection is fine as is and supported/realized by the weapon thing.

>shitting on my favorite mon

I'm just going to hate you on principle OP

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>>27083935
>pul seman
>pull semen

but what does it mean

>>27083930
hey why not make it evolve into a cloud. they are both in the sky
>>27083940
pterodactyles evolutionary have nothing to do with birds. and it would be a weird design aswell

>>27083936
It's entirely about realism though. Your entire argument is that real fish don't become octopuses and it's a stupid argument.

>>27083979
if you like pokemons evolving into random things then go play digimon

>>27083975
Hey, if it was a cool looking fucking cloud and there was a thematic reason for it become a cloud, why the fuck not? You keep trying to pull off this hyperbole, which is already a poor attempt at making a counter argument, but it just doesn't work in context.

>octoupuses or octopussies
It's octopi.

>>27084002
>evolving into random things
It's been proven that it isn't random. You are going on and on about realism

>>27084002
But I already play Pokemon where Pokemon have evolved into "random" things since Generation 1, maybe you fuck off since you clearly don't like the franchise.

>>27084002
But remoraid evolving octillery isn't random.

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>>27083783
>the remoraid handgun thing is a flimsy argument since gamefreak has never been shy about making their shit actually look like the object they are based on
A broken clock is right twice a day.

>>27083841
>>27083935
>Remoraid is a cameo from Pulseman
Where? Like an enemy?

>>27084021
Thank you.

>>27084041
Its a fish enemy gun that fires water lasers in level 3. Exact same design, Sugomori repurposed it for Gen 2 and gave it an evo.

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>>27083301

>In all newer models the Remoraid is removed.
>Mantyke still requires one in order to evolve.

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>>27084064
Sorry, Level 6.

>>27084064
Do you have a pic?

Exeggcute (an EGG) evolves into a freakin coconut tree! Seems random too me!

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Why does an ugly fish evolve into the most beautiful Pokemon in the world?

>>27084099
maybe it's supposed to symbolize the "ugly duckling"

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>>27084086
Justl ooked it up. It looks pretty fucking different tbqh but I could maybe but it was inspired by it.

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>>27084064
>Exact same design
I wouldnt say that
>>27084086

>>27084002
>Salamanders become Chameleons which become Dragons
>Turtles become Tortoises
>Sparrows become Vultures
>Rattlesnakes become Cobras
>Gnats/Mites become Moths
>Seals become Dugongs
>Eggs become Trees
>Karp become Sea Serpents

>>27083163
We have a winner.

>>27083019
It's relatively quite clever when your average line just gets bigger as it evolves.

Not even an octopus! Its a quadropus! XP

>>27084099
It's a parallel to Magikarp:

>weakass fish -> strong and ferocious as fuck dragon snake
>shitugly fish -> majestic and beautiful oarfish mermaid

>>27084164
It actually has like five or six legs. Its got more legs behind it but I forgot exactly how many.

>>27084164
Octillery has five tentacles

so... a quintillety should be it's name

>almsot two decades later and people still bitch about remoraid and octillery

how are people not sick of this and gyarados discussions? I want to know how the fuck Singulor turns into Kingulor. Did they have entirely different artists design them or what?

>>27084164
>>27084199
>>27084203
It has eight tentacles, check its model.

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>>27084203

Eight.

Six in the back and two in the front.

>>27084261
>>27084259
Oh, my octillery figure/mini thing must be a bootleg then

eww that's ratchet

>>27084261
I could've swore it had four legs in the back, I swear to god I've seen it.

In addition to the themes explained in this thread, I've always thought that the Remoraid line was just another one of those intentionally ironic evolutionary concepts like Magikarp/Gyarados, Feebas/Milotic(, and Clamperl/Gorebyss|Huntail?). Nearly every gen has one of these, and I hope Gen 7 has one too. It's a pretty cool idea.

>>27083301
It's like it was meant to evolve from Octillery.

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>>27083157

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>>27084121
At least they kind of had Xatu right in Pulseman

>>27083645
So shelgon and pupitar gets off scott free when compared to there line... But octillary gets butchered?
And don't use the larva-pupa argument, because tyranitar is the odd one out then

STOP THINKING OF IT AS "FISH TO OCTOPUS"
THINK OF IT AS "AQUATIC CREATURE THAT SPITS LIQUID TO AQUATIC CREATURE THAT SPITS LIQUID"

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>>27084199
6 in the back, 2 in the front

>>27082851
there's a ton of cases like this in the kanto and johto dexes, pokemon that don't logically make sense themselves or have equally nonsensical family trees. this trend seems to stop during gen 3, most pokemon having evolution patterns closer to how we would perceive evolution in real life

i wouldn't think about octillery and remoraid too hard, theyre just aquatic animals with a shooting weapon theme and suction cups

>>27084443
Or just Remoraid to Octillery. Pokemon evolve and change, that's just how it works.

>>27084306
We technically already have the Grubbin line that turns the idea of a powerful insect swarm on it's head by having "power in numbers" stipulated with "because the numbers are literally used to power to their strongest individuals"

>>27084443
oh hey everyone, it's big brother here to tell us how to think

thanks winston

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What sort of fossil did OP make this thread from?

>>27084345
I noticed this too, my first thought was Xatu. I wonder if it was intended. There's honestly a bigger resemblance there than Rotom to Pulseman.

>>27083645
Mammoths are pigs?

>>27082851
remora suction on to things
octopi have suction cups
both are themed after weapons, in this case a handgun goes to a cannon
both are undersea animals

>>27082851
Wow, this has turned into quite an argument.
Well, many people say it's because of the whole "handgun into an artillery". Others think it's because both remora and octopus have suction cups, and both Pokemon have Suction Cups as an ability. But the real question is, why SHOULDN'T Remora evolve into Octillery? The Pokemon world makes no sense, so there's no reason for it to NOT evolve into something different. It's not that big of a glaring issue, really, so we should all just go with it. Feel free to ridicule me for this

>>27082851
cause you have autism.

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>>27082851
There's a German video explaining this.

Why does a hedgehog transform into a dog?

>>27083645
Salamanders are reptiles?

There is no fish, and there is no octopus. they are both just pokemon. :^)

>>27084636
Mamoswine is partially based on pig and a mammoth. It's even in the name. Most if not all Pokemon are based on more than one animal and/or thing.

Why does Octillery incur so much autism.

It's Pokemon half of the shit doesn't make sense anyway. Octillery is cool who cares.

>>27083230
This.

>>27082851
Literally no one would care if it was the same color as remoraid

>>27087040
I would still care but less

>>27083943
>>27084091
>what are seeds

>>27084116
>>27084192
That was sarcasm buddies.

>>27087446
Mine was sarcasm too.

>>27083157
Master kek

>>27082945
>fish evolve into octopus
>m-muh guns
not an argument

>>27083013
>weapons are animals

>>27082989
"""""""""""""""""""clever""""""""""""""""""""
t. ice cream designer


>>27083060
>spiders shoot webs
>caterpillars shoot webs

>snakes have scales
>fish have scales

>birds have beaks
>squids have beaks

>rats have tails
>salmons have tails

WOAH!

>>27083108
>chordata becomes mollusca

>>27083721
Mamoswine is a wild hog, specifically based on some ancient species, doesn't even have a trunk. The mammoth is only a side reference.

>>27084127
>Seals become dugongs

Christ, how clever to name them Seel and Dewgong.

>>27083090
Octopi are literally called "ink fish" in several languages.

>>27084127
>Pokemon evolving into creatures with similar physiological traits makes as much sense as a fish becoming an octopus

>Eggs become Trees
Exeggcute are seeds

Remora's have suction cups

That's why they attack to mantine

That's literally their entire justification

>>27088054
seals are literally sea lions in some languages

>>27087731

Suction cups are very specific though

They aren't as common as scales and tails

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>>27082921
That's pretty cute, anon.

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>It's a "why dont pokemon follow real world logic" episode

>>27083619
What's the real life story for Magikarp?

>>27089583
Your life in reverse.

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>>27082851

>>27084021
>>27084050
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/octopus

that's actually wrong

>The standard plural in English of octopus is octopuses. However, the word octopus comes from Greek and the Greek plural form octopodes is still occasionally used. The plural form octopi, formed according to rules for some Latin plurals, is incorrect.

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>>27087731
lol good points dude!

always wondered how one weird sausage thing evolves into THREE WEIRD SAUSAGE THINGS. Like, what is GF smoking? That doesn't happen in nature!

im glad someone else agrees that the only good pokemon designs are ones that are nearly identical to real world animals and do nothing but get larger through their evolutions!