>First, a pokemon that bullies Talonflame is introduced >Next,

Smogon btfo in gen 7

>>27016159
Nah, they will ban them for touching their precious mons.

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>>27016048
Anything that will BTFO
>Gengar
>Starmie
>Azumarill
Anything that will further BTFO
>Scizor
>Skarmory
And all those who have been OU for the past 3 gens

>>27016159
>>27016192
I still don't understand this meme. Smogon changes face every gen, multiple times a gen. Late gen five was hyper offence, now it's stall. They don't manipulate the competitive scene to fit what they want, it's what just happens to be good and in practice.

>>27016048
A priority fire move
An ability that prevent pokemon to use move that cost HP except for struggle

>>27016048
>Salandit bullies stall
It bullies balance way more, hitting heatran and venusaur with toxic is godly. Meanwhile actual stall has gliscor and/or heal bell chansey to make "dude i toxic ur skarm lmoa" a non-issue
It would rather just click fire blast in front of skarm or any other steel type anyway

>>27016221

>Muh evasion

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>Weather wars
>hyper offence
>stall
What's next meta?

>First, a pokemon that bullies Talonflame is introduced
>Next, a pokemon that bullies Stall is introduced

Both of those points have no proofs to back them up and do not seem to be anything but bullshit parrotted by karenfags and casuals who have either never touched Smogon in their lives or never went past 1400.

>yfw it gets a signature poison type move that is super effective against steel (like freeze dry)
>a bunch of other mons get it through breeding or even tm

Would Klefki and Mawile drop to NU?

>>27016556
It's still HO

Smogon just won't let it be HO

>>27016570
It already has a move to do SE damage to steels, anon. It's called fire blast______

>>27016565
Wow you sound like a sperg

>implying plying smogon makes you good anymore than having common sense

>>27016565

>no proofs

The fish has a move that cancels priority

>>27016048
Fairy nerf

An ability that makes the OP megas not exist.

>>27016644
Double dubs are not a merithoric argument.

>>27016942
And still has a very good chance of losing to Talonflame unless it has Aqua Jet + decent attack stat or is somehow even faster.
>252 Atk Keldeo Aqua Jet vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Talonflame: 116-140 (39 - 47.1%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
>+2 252 Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame Natural Gift (100 BP Grass) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Keldeo: 348-410 (107.7 - 126.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>27016048
A mon that reverts Pebbles/Toxic Spikes/Spikes/Sticky Web

>>27017347
Forcing Talonflame to lose its item and one of its moveslots in order to run obscure shit like Liechi Berry Natural Gift is already a huge detriment to it.

>>27017347
>+2 252 Atk Liechi Berry Talonflame

>>27017565
>what is sword dance
>what is bulk up x2

How about you use your brain for once? Talonflame has more than one move, and it's not just Brave Bird.

>>27017578
Swords Dance is not what's wrong with that set.

>>27017479
Natural Gift Grass is niche, but far from unviable. Oneshots Scarf Tyranitar and Rotom-Wash after a little prior damage and Water/Grounds outright. So even if Bruxish is by a tiny chance viable enough to function in OU by checking more than just Talonflame's standard sets, brave burd still has a reliable way to muscle past it.

What kind of stall team has trouble against Toxic?
If anything that Salamander is going to help me stall.

>>27016942
And that same fish is weak to U-turn and, depending on its actual stats, might turn out to be a shitmon.

There's a reason Relicanth isn't out there getting free wins.

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>>27016048

Will Dazzling take care of Stance Change?