Why are these objectively the worst pokemon remakes?

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those aren't hgss
your next line is "this is bait"

FRLG
>an entirely new pseudo-region
>doesn't need to incorporate Yellow elements because Blue is the real third version and Yellow is an anime cashgrab
HGSS
>walking Pokémon
>new routes and Safari Zone
>Pokéathlon
>incorporates Crystal elements as it should
>gym leader rematches
ORAS
>DexNav
>Soaring and flying directly to routes
>random mirage spots
>Delta Episode
It didn't introduce anything huge outside of maybe DexNav which makes catching Pokémon so much more enjoyable.
FRLG had the Sevii Islands and HGSS had an entirely new game mode, new routes and a new take on the Safari Zone.

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>>26880224
Here's your (You)

>>26880251
I didn't play oras but played the original. What did they remove? I know they removed the battle frontier but wasn't it released as DLC or something?

>Nintendo took so fucking long to make the gold and silver remakes that we will never get a gold and silver remake on the 3DS.

Actually i'd just prefer if they made it on a new portable honestly. I was expecting X and Y to look as good as the gamecube games(even if they were shit.) but instead you get this gay ass chibi shit at 420 resolution.

>>26880255
It wasn't, all get got instead was a copy-pasted battle maison. They also removed the gym leader rematches from Emerald, the step limit in the safari zone, and completely ruined volcanic ash gathering.

>>26880224
Yes

>>26880260
Not to mention stadium 1 and 2 had more emotions with the pokemon than X and Y does. They got lazy but I can understand that giving uniqe animations to over 700 monsters wouldprobably take a chunk up of time/

>>26880261
>removing the gym leader rematches|


What the fuck is this shit lately? and it got steadily more retarded throughout the series. Emerald was so easy and then they felt this need to make you do some stupid shit to get to fight the gym leaders like in HG and SS.

I don't think X or Y had rematches at all.

I think HG and SS were objectively the best games. gold and silver were the best in the series for a lot of reasons and HG and SS simply fixed what broken elements GS had and made them better. The only thing that was missing was the casino or whatever it's called.

>>26880255
>remove
Not defending ORAS here, but GF is so assbackwards that they consider them literal RS remakes and instead decided that some callbacks and a shitty post-game story was good enough Emerald content.

>>26880255
>What did they remove? I know they removed the battle frontier
They didn't remove it because the original RS didn't have it in the first place. Or at least that's the smart excuse and also what some retards defend.

The great difference is ORAS didn't have all the elements from Gen 3.

>>26880272
>simply fixed what broken elements GS had and made them better
Even with things like Primo and the Safari Zone, you still can't get Houndour/Houndoom until post-game, and the level curve is still pretty bad.
But yes, I agree that they're stellar games.

>>26880280
But HG/SS had pretty much all the elements of crystal. So that's not an excuse. They could have easily put it in but just didn't for some reason.

>>26880285
maybe because the emerald bf was dogshit and no one cared about it except waifufags who liked the frontier brains

>>26880224
You dropped your picture of Heart Gold and Soul Silver, anon. ORAS fixed most of the complaints with RS while HGSS did nothing to address GS's myriad of flaws. ORAS improved the music while HGSS worsened it. ORAS added more challenging encounters while HGSS made the game easier. ORAS made vast improvements to core series features while HGSS peddled gimmicks.

>>26880293
>>26880295
(You)

>>26880246
This is bait
Wait, how did--!

>>26880281
>can't get Houndour/Houndoom until post-game
>Can get Growlithe almost immediately after the 2 gym.
This is my biggest problem with gamefreak.
Pull from other gens to help fill the pokedex, it doesn't always have to be gen 1.

>>26880295
Oras was easy as piss.

>>26880293
It had varying game modes with different rules.

>>26880224
Those aren't Heart Gold/Soul Silver.

>inb4 bait
Nope,I despise HG/SS

>>26880322
>inb4 bait
>Nope,I despise HG/SS
Did you genuinely think this would make your opinion legitimate somehow?

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>>26880224
nope, underages started whining when they realized that "their" first pokemon game wasn't exactly the same as the originals so they cried and cried and made hating ORAS a meme. I quite like ORAS more so than the originals mainly because of the added physical/special split and of course the much prettier colors of the 3ds. ORAS does have its flaws but as someone who only plays through the main story its not as noticeable for me.

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>>26880329
dammit wrong image

>>26880329
>it's not noticeable for me
>so these blatant flaws don't exist

>>26880224
Because you didnt count FiRe and LeGe

>>26880300
>i don't have an argument so i'll just assume these people are baiting for (you)'s
Fuck you. HGSS did shit to fix any of GSC's problems.
>neo-team rocket is trash, i don't understand how anyone could possibly like them
>barren as fuck kneecapped kanto that forces you to go through boring sidequests just to progress through the fucking region
>the fucking atrocious level curve, you could put audinos of the same level all over johto and you'd still have to grind
>piss easy gym leaders and elite 4, lick on karen's gengar, are you fucking kidding me?
>handing you a red gyarados that has access to dd and ice fang, essentially a win button for lance. "oh, just don't use it" fuck you, you'd never say the same thing about latios/latias or lucario
>retarded ass phone system to get the rematches everyone creams themselves over
>copypasting platinum's battle frontier even though it doesn't make any fucking sense, oh but it's fine here for some fucking reason
>fucking level curve
>rare johto mons are still rare as all fuck, i don't find running around in grass or a cave for 45 minutes running into the same zubats and rattatas i was already sick of in kanto just to get a fucking dunsparce or yanma
>the retarded ass phone system to make getting rare mons easier
>hoenn and sinnoh sound get you like 6 total pokemon each, two of those are fucking plusle and minun, poochyena was one of the harder ones to find for me
>retarded ass safari zone that makes you use outlandishly complicated customization bullshit to get one certain kind of pokemon after weeks of real time waiting, and this is postgame
>pokeathlon is kind of fun, i'll give it that
>box legendarys are so poorly integrated into the story they may as well have just been optional dungeon bosses
>FUCKING LEVEL CURVE
>forcing you to be able to catch suicune well after it's point of usefulness, and instead of a fuck-you to people who liked crystal, this is apparently a good thing
>LEVEL CURVE

>shit XY models
>uglier graphics
>less content (gimmicks like soaring don't count)

HGSS are better but also shit
>that shit Gen IV engine
>fixes no problems of GSC (level curve, Pokemon distribution)
At least HGSS don't remove anything from GSC and actually added a couple things like Pokeathelon and Cianwood Safari Zone. If it was only made in Gen V instead of IV (and fixed Pokedistribution with dat perfect Gen V EXP system).

>>26880329
>physical/special split and of course the much prettier colors of the 3ds
The split is subjective and the "prettier colors" is literally wrong.

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>>26880255
>I know they removed the battle frontier but wasn't it released as DLC or something?
Stop playing with my heart, anon.

>>26880356
>i don't have an argument so i'll just assume these people are baiting for (you)'s
Damn straight, and there's nothing (You) can do to stop me.

>>26880255
Don't forget they removed the game corner with a note

>>26880324
I should have said something like "To me,HG/SS are worse than ORAS"

Let's be honest tho,HG/SS weren't so great either.Gamefreak didn't fix a lot of problems that were present in G/S/C.The level curve was quite bad.I've seen people spamming revives and max potions in order to defeat Lance,because their pokemon were underleveled.The music was awful(tho that's more of a subjective opinion),a lot of the pokemon (like houndour ,murkrow etc) could not be obtained until you finish the main story.

Not saying that ORAS fixed a lot of stuff.

>>26880295
>More challenging encounters
Where? Seriously, where can I find these "challenging encounters"?
Don't you dare say Deoxys.

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>>26880341
ouch twist my words you hurt dear sir...

>>26880381
>tho
Figures I'm talking to a retard.
>The level curve was quite bad.
But not nearly as monumental of an issue as fucktards like you and the others ITT love to believe.
>The music was awful
So you just have shit taste?
Fuck off.

>>26880381
Also, Houndour is the only Johtomon unobtainable until post-game. You don't even know what you're talking about.

>>26880393
Slugma? Murkrow?

>>26880381
>The level curve is bad
Call me a fag but i'd rather take a game with a steep level curve over
>"here's ur new EXP share bro"
Blah blah blah, just turn it off, I know. Why couldn't they just have reintroduced an EXP All and kept the "old" EXP Share in as well? Fuck Pokecommunism.

>>26880408
nah, murkrow's in the safari zone. honchkrow, however, and every other johto evolution that evolves by stone, is not available until the postgame. so the free togepi you're given is stuck as a useless togetic until you beat lance.

>People defending the level curve
Man i love hgss but you cant tell me that wasn't awful.
Adding the vs seeker would have fix everything, but they couldn't be arsed to do that.

>>26880318
This is a problem in every generation. Not exclusive to gen 2.

>>26880429
My 12 year old sister just beat Lance in HGSS with pokemon 10 levels under.
I did the same in GSC years ago when I was around 10 or so.

Postgame Red is the real problem, there's no way to close that lv 55-80 gap without rematching the E4 over and over again, but that's the case for a lot of Pokemon games

>>26880392
>But not nearly as monumental of an issue
Depends.Having a huge level gap is a problem,especially when the opponent can spam Outrage(Lance's strongest pokemon).I had a problem beating him the first 2-3 times I played the games,because my Pokemon were weaker than his.
>shit taste
This is subjective.

>>26880457
The same story with Red,but it was worse there.

>>26880285
>But HG/SS had pretty much all the elements of crystal.
That's because Crystal added fucking nothing of worth.

>>26880442
I never said it wasn't.
>>26880456
Yeah so did i as a kid.
By spamming full restores and abusing shitty ai.
My main problem is with adding to your team late.
Its annoying as hell having on grind on wild pokemon to get to a reasonable level in this game.
Fuck me for wanting to change up my team 7 badges in and try some new mons that i couldn't get till late.

>>26880477
Gee, sounds like every Pokemon game ever.
>all of the good shit comes at the end
BW2 is the only one that i'd say has a fucking amazing pokemon distribution.

>>26880408
>Slugma
Primo egg.

>>26880429
It's a problem, but unless you suck at the game, it isn't a huge one.

>>26880456
>>26880465
Red is the final boss, of course he'll be that high levelled.
They should've added a good way to grind though.

>>26880457
So you just suck at the game.

>>26880477
>Fuck me for wanting to change up my team 7 badges in and try some new mons that i couldn't get till late.
Go play XY, the worst gen in the series, then.

>>26880484
>>26880490
I agree with the both of you.
I'm upset about it still being a problem in the games at this point.

>>26880490
>>26880456
>shitty level curve isn't actually a problem if you git gud
>but muh battle frontier not being there is a travesty

>tfw people shit on Sevii Islands
Possibly my favourite area in any Pokemon game desu. Something intensely comfy about it

>>26880538
me too anon

me too

>>26880224
well they weren't "great" remakes in general, and they are the weakest of the remakes, but i feel that most of the hate comes from /vp/ hating everything related to gen 3

>>26880295
ORAS harder than HGSS?

ORAS music better than Emerald Music?

ORAS took away everything interesting to streamline the process and did it so much that nothing was interesting. HGSS "gimmicks" (outside the Pokewalker) were all fine.

Just, no

>>26880538
Me too anon. I just like how RBY/FRLG had a heavier focus on worldbuilding and not much on plot, like what I really liked about the Sevii Islands is that for the most part they're just kind of there with not much relation to Kanto and every island is an independent adventure compared from each other besides trying to find the ruby and sapphire.

Not to mention that the Johto remixes are among my favorite pokemon music to begin with. I even like the Lake of Rage and Azalea Town remixes better than HGSS's.

>>26880356
Red Gyarados was entirely optional though. The Safari Zone added a lot of Johto Mons and the Pokemon distribution was fine. Did you heatbutt trees? Play the Bug Catching Contest? Travel at night? Yes, Johto tried to make encountering Pokemon interesting.


Adding a frontier to give the game more content than it had before is a negative? Lol.

Hoenn and Sinnoh sound are definitely not givinf you so little pokemon. New ones are in most locations. And again, headbutting and the Big contest gives you a lot of new Mons.

All this proves is that you can't reverse ORAS critisims on HGSS and have them make sense. Thanks, honestly.

Because only one year dev time so they didn't have enough time to stuff the game with superficial gimmicks like with HGSS to hide the fact that they're shitty flawed games.

>>26880251
I didn't play ORAS but it sounds like HGSS "improved" the flaws of the originals the most (making Kanto less barren).

FRLG gave us a version of a classic that wasn't held together by glitched duct tape. Even though it's just a sleeker, updated version, it justified its existence by including the new region/a postgame that better builds into HGSS.

ORAS didn't really "fix" its predecessors, except for maybe adding physical/special split, and unlike the original RBY its sprites weren't a clusterfuck, so the 3D overall didn't "save" it for a new audience. Cool that they did a Delta episode, but I dunno, the existence of it doesn't really sell me, hence why I still haven't played it.

>>26880360
People complain about GSC level curve all the time, but it actually adds a layer of difficulty to the games they desperately need.

Also, it seems like the Pokemon distribution is a dealbreaker for you, but it only applies to Misdreavus, Houndour, and Murkrow. The latter two are Team Rocket's signature mons, so it helps preserve their specialness for when you come across with, really not a huge enough issue to complain about.

>>26880356
>neo-team rocket is trash
You clearly missed the entire thematic purpose of GSS. Anyway, HGSS did the best to "update" Team Rocket for a modern era by giving them executives with unique designs/sprites.

>barren as fuck kneecapped kanto
Again you're missing the thematic point, also your point is again null because HGSS goes out of its way to include levels originally left out of GSC and legendaries.

>Piss easy gym leaders and Elite 4
Yeah, it balances out the level curve.

>just to get a fucking dunsparce or yanma
Those things are now justified in their rarity because they're actually usable in game. In GSC they were utter shit, now they both have really useful attributes.

All your other points are valid.

>>26880280
But R/S had the Battle Tower, I don't know why they couldn't have used that instead of the shitty Maison.

>>26881706
>tedium and difficulty are synonyms

>>26880251
>Blue is the real third version
It's literally just a rename and nothing else. If blue is a third version then it's the worst of any of them by fucking miles.

Because unlike FRLG and HGSS they put no thought in it they just redid RS in 3D instead of really thinking how they could improve the experience

>>26881923
In Japan it was the third version, if featured the somewhat better sprites we got, and featured a mix of both games version exclusives

>>26881648
>Red Gyarados was entirely optional though.
Nope, you at least had to fight it to advance the plot. And simply running away or defeating it takes about as much time and effort as declining Korrina's Lucario or boxing the Lati.
>>26881749
>missed the entire thematic purpose of GSS.
Ok, I'll bite. What is it?

>>26882053
GSC was originally designed as the absolute end of Pokemon. It was the creator's goodbye. The Rockets being floundering and pathetic, trying to recapture the glory of the last game, Kanto being a barren shell of itself with not much to do, it all creates this nostalgic, bittersweet, send-off theme, like the game itself acknowledging that its time is past and it's time to move on.

You could of course argue (and be right) that the designers had to leave Kanto barren because of programming issues, but they lucked out because it perfectly matches the aesthetic of the rest of the game.

>>26882053
You still have to actually catch the damn thing.

>>26881953

Blue had some bug fixes, updated sprites and made the trade only Pokémon available in the wild.

Our Red and Blue was Red and Green but with blue's sprites and bug fixes.

>>26881800

Battle tower didn't have a model/map in the current engine so they'd have to do actual work to make it. Maison was just a copy and paste.

>>26882053
You had to fight it. You could kill it or run away if you wanted. And even then I'm not sure if it was mandatory. That's definitely different from "Latios wants to join! Send something back to the Pokemon center?" Or your only chance to fight Zinnia being ruined by getting Mega Raquaza.

>>26882094

>>26882053
You can't run away from Red Gyarados in gen 2, you must fight/catch it

>>26881694
The tile pallet and overworld sprites were ugly as sin in R/S/E. I would argue that ORAS did "save" the region in that regard.

>>26880272
>I don't think X or Y had rematches at all.
Chateau,as shifty as it is

>>26883090
If you up them level their sets become level up sets slowly replacing their moves.

I.e. Heal pulse mega Lucario

I got Alpha Sapphire really cheap so I picked it up, is it worth playing or should I resell it for profit?

I wasn't that big a fan of gen3, but it's the last pokemon gen I played so that might be why.

>>26883176
It's not awful, like we meme it out to be, but it still not a good game, and is the poorest remake

Play it once I say, and then maybe flip it

>>26880246
This is bait!

-NANI!?!

>>26882945
They weren't much better in the remake. The second worst mountain tiles in the series. Also too square in every respect

>>26883176
Just play it then resell it.

>>26883187
>>26883272
It's wrapped

For a very, very casual player who will most likely run through the main story and maybe catch a few legendaries then never touch it again, and don't care about IV/EV etc, is it worth unwrapping and reducing the price to play it?

>>26880253
you don't get a (You) if people respond to your OP, dumbass

>>26883287
Oh, definitely no. It doesn't have anything that would make me still recommend it. Its merely "fine"

Especially if you aren't gonna do any of the other features. Contests are in Emerald and Platinum, and Inverse Battles and the Maison are in XY.

You don't sound like you'll care about Soaring or Bases. In that case its definitely not worth it.

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>It's a genwar thread

because hoen is the worst region

>>26883361
I'll keep it wrapped then.

The only people who complain about HGSS' level curve are shitters who don't know how to work around a level disadvantage. You NEVER have to grind in any of the johto games.

>>26883546
Yeah. Plus Sun and Moon look GOAT so wait for those.

>>26883546
This. Or they haven't played it because between Route 47, the increased number of trainers and the higher levels in Kanto, its really not that hard to train. Its still a shame, but not the end of the world.

>>26880224
I thought they were the best o.o

It added nothing big when it comes to the game world unlike FRLG and wasn't built off a game that already had an easy base to flesh out and expand, nor did the game it copypasted some bonus content from have much bonus content, like HGSS. And as we all know they barely took anything from Emerald.

I think it shines in its own way with some really good features like DexNav, Soaring, and online functionality for Secret Bases. Also personally I enjoy the story elements in ORAS the most of the mainline series, ignoring the Delta Episode. Personally though FRLG is the only remake I have no issues with. HGSS is top tier but I have tons of nitpicks with some of the aesthetic or narrative changes made that make me personally prefer going back to the originals.

>>26883624
Victory Road or just fighting the E4 over and over until you finally do win are both much better ways to level up than Route 47's little patch of grass beyond the waterfall. It's only any good if you're somehow too low level to even get past the trainers leading to Victory Road, but if you beat Claire you should have no issue.

>>26880261
>>26880272
It did have gym leader matches, both X and Y, but XY did it differently.

>>26883856
The Dittos potentially give you much higher EXP Yields based on what you're training. Either way I just included that to be complete, I personally use Pokegear to train because once you add everyone you have someone to battle pretty much all the time. Checking Serebii isn't that annoying, I do that for Join Avenue as well.

>>26883377
>trip dubs
Sleep tight in the sky pupper