What went wrong

>>26827002
everything and nothing

Everything. There's nothing redeemable about it.

>>26827002
The ONLY thing that went wrong was that the Shiny wasn't the default color.

>>26827002
Nothing, Chesnaught is cool

>>26827087
Yes

>>26827002
that he isn't real

He looks like he's in a full body cast

That gross beige color

Nothing, it's alright, op. At least it1s better than the prevo.

>>26827014
That's not Samurott.

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Its not what people expected.

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>>26827002
Everything that could have.

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>>26827002

Why do you keep asking?

It has no junctures. The rest is super cool.

>>26827002
not enough spikes

digimon looking

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The most badass and most manly and most awesome grass starter overall design.

>>26827002
It started with you trusting a grass starter to not shit the bed.

Nothing. i Won't lie seeing it for the first time was a shock but it's still my favorite gen 6 starter with the frog.

Shiny colors and it's regular colors should have been reversed desu.

>>26827002
Everything.

It is literally the shittiest starter to ever exist in the history of everything. Even if the countless universes are considered, it would still be a tremendous shit pile in comparison to the worst starters from these other universes. It's that bad.

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>>26832071
>most manly

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>>26832173
>denying chesnaught has most manly design
> doesent show more manly designed pokemon

>>26827002
They spent too much time shilling Greninja to pay attention to Chesnaught and Delphox.

>>26832169
>this
In a universe where Charmeleon's ruiner and Squirtle ruiner exist. Also keep in mind that cockfighter exist. Goddamn what a garbage pokemon.

>>26827002
brave bird

>>26832249
Shit taste detected.

>>26827002
It's bad. Just... pure bad. There's a reason why it's the most hated starter on /vp/.

>>26827002
Delphoxfags chose a scapegoat and forced it daily to draw attention away from their shittier Gen VI final starter evo.

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>>26832310
You dropped your tinfoil hat.

>>26827087
They're both fucking garbage, swapping palettes wouldn't help Chesnaught.

>>26832237
Garchomp
Machamp
Nidoking
Pangoro
Conkeldurr
Aggron
Rhyperior
Slaking
Darmanitan
Electivire
Emboar

There are so many more manly pokemon than this babbyfaced hunchback

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Dont worry peasants. Masuda, king of /vp/ and his glorious pet gonna fix Chesnaught by giving him megaevolution so awesome, he will not feel these 6 weakneses.

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>>26832310
There's no need for butthurt anon.

>>26832554
Me on the right.

Designs like this are the reason why there are so many genwuners.

>>26832601
He is not any uglier than Blastoise.

>>26832601
This. Chesnaught is literally THE one reason why most people who played R/B/Y didn't play X/Y. And that's because Chesnaught is repulsively hideous and shit.

>>26832310
I see that you're buttfrustrated that the entire world consider shitnaught objectively inferior to Delphox.

>>26827002
He's a fucking chestnut.

>>26827002
no boobs when femal

>>26832842
This desu.

>>26832757
This is a picture of Chesnaught, anon. Not Delphox or Quilladin.

I know midstages are SUPPOSED to be awkward teenagers, but why is quilladin so horribly designed? Charmeleon still looked pretty cool but deviated from his entire line (which explains why its the only member I like), Turtwig's evo looks so much better than turtwig, and while I dont like grovyle's design much, I like the ninja-esque slimness of it, it fits the theme very well. Quilladin is just a fat fucker and its not even a rock-type.

>>26832865
As the evolution of Quilladin, Chesnaught shares ALL of Quilladin's flaws. As such, Chesnaught is by default worse than Quilladin.

>>26827002
Nothing. Easily my favorite grass starter.

>>26832880
Awful taste. Even fucking Meganium is better than Shitnaught.

>>26827002
too humanoid. I wish it had been a little more animal-like.
it also sucks in battles. really badly; even in-game X/Y it felt pretty underwhelming.

horrible tube appendages.

If there's one good thing about /vp/, it's that /vp/ recognizes that Chesnaught is one of the worst pokemon to ever exist.

>>26832841
>>26832565
>>26832334
Found the furfags

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>The idea of having another Fighting type in the starter line-up
The second Grass/Fighter

>>26832882
>liking Meganium
I bet you like Delphox too

>>26832912
Daily reminder that Chesnaught is literally just a poor man's Breloom. Breloom can do everything Chesnaught does, and better.

>>26832920
yea even breloom is better at looking like shit.

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>>26832920

he got no elbows!

>>26832907
Funnily enough, furfags are morally and socially superior to chesnaughtfags.

>>26832738
Blastoise is a fuckhuge turtle with a cannon.

Nigga was the coverboy for a reason. He and Charizard were boss.

Honestly, I question the sanity and intelligence of everyone who don't openly despise Chesnaught's very existence.

>>26832912
breloom looks like shit, and chesnaught looks like badass manfighter

>>26832944
>chesnaught looks like retarded shiteater
FTFY

>>26832944
They both look like shit

>>26832939
>coverboy
blastoise is the least used coverboy of all the gen1 coverboys.

>>26832939
It's a fat ugly turtle with michelin arms.
He was in the cover because all the starters were in the covers, and venusaur and charizard were there first.

>>26832946
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeZoC-Y0KRc

>>26832920
>these two 'mons that play completely different roles do the exact same thing xD le Flygon is a poor man's garchomp meme

252 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Chesnaught: 284-336 (74.7 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

252 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Chesnaught: 284-336 (74.7 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery

Chesnaught doesnt handle the heat too well either, but it can survive so much more damage than Breloom can even look at; but breloom does more damage in return and inflicts status effects. Chesnaught's damage comes from raw power on his attacks; Breloom's comes from utility and Technician.
Without Mach Punch and Technician Breloom would just be a useless and shitty Spore spammer, not much better than Parasect

>>26832963
Breloom has Poison Heal.
Chesnaught does not.

Breloom is objectively better at defense than Chesnaught because the latter is destroyed by toxic.

>>26832963
>252 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Chesnaught: 284-336 (74.7 - 88.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 SpA Heatran Magma Storm vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Breloom: 494-584 (189.2 - 223.7%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Copypaste error

>>26832963
The difference is that Shitnaught cannot survive shit. Breloom can't survive much, but at least Breloom hits harder. Shitnaught is just a poor man's Breloom.

>>26832965
>poison heal
kek. SubPunch isnt even good when Gale Wings exists. Breloom is absolutely thrashed by priority flying moves

>>26832979
The difference is chesnaught has bulk, and access to actual defensive moves like Spiky Shield and plays a completely different role than Utility grasshopper

>>26832987
>mention Gale Wings
>don't bother mentioning how the existence of flying and other prevalent types makes Shitnaught's bulk completely and utterly worthless

I see. So you're just biased and refuses to believe otherwise.

>>26832963
>Chesnaught's damage comes from raw power on his attacks; Breloom's comes from utility and Technician
Breloom has 130 base attack, comparable to Machamp

>>26832999
In conclusion, Chesnaught is defensively AND offensively inferior to Breloom.

>>26832999
But does breloom learn any attacks with 100+ Power or does he have to rely on Bullet Seed for grass STAB? Sure chesnaught doesnt get Close Combat but it'd be pretty bad anyway

>>26832992
Gale wings doesnt stop Chesnaught from using Spiky Shield.
It DOES stop breloom from using Substitute in order to make Poison Heal work.

0 Atk Talonflame Acrobatics (110 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ Def Chesnaught: 252-300 (66.3 - 78.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Chesnaught can bulk through less offensive talonflames. Again, like the heatran example, he wont come out healthy but he wont come out dead either

>>26833015
>offensively inferior to Breloom.
48 Atk Chesnaught Wood Hammer vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 344-408 (85.7 - 101.7%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
K.

Whats Breloom got?

>>26827002
It's shit.

>>26832310
I actually remember when this started to happen (a few months before ORAS got announced I think?).
But at this point delphofag will deny it and newfags will think you're talking shit.

>>26832963
>>26832987
>>26833021
>>26833040
>failing to realize that nobody gives a shit about your calculations
>failing to realize that we're just making a statement when we say that chesnaught is a poor man's breloom

>>26833040
252 Atk Technician Breloom Bullet Seed (3 hits) vs. 240 HP / 0 Def Azumarill: 438-522 (109.2 - 130.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>the same people who hate Chesnaught think Blastoise is shit
Huh, that explains a lot.

>>26832536
You're blind if you think Chesnaught's design is garbage, or maybe you're not American to appreciate the structure.

Not only does it have knight elements but the Shiny in particular is a US army soldier with the green outfit and helmet, which is a cool incorporation.

>>26833077
I hate Chesnaught and love Blastoise though.

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Design wise Chesnaught's fine problem is it's colour-scheme is bad and it's in-game stance is really awkward which just makes it look worse.

If it had a better pose and colours that matched its prevolutions way fewer people would hate it.

>>26827002
It's completely disgusting. The fuckhead who designed that piece of shit should be fired for bringing shame to Gamefreak.

>>26832875
>Chesnaught is by default worse than Quilladin
Explain please.

>>26833158
Chesnaught is essentially a bigger Quilladin, so it should be demonized for every design flaw Quilladin has.

>>26827002
It's obese.

>grass/fighting
>all regional birds no matter how shit are legitimate threats to it.
>the regional bird it debut with is the literal achilles heel of it.
>the other two starters can outspeed it and can kill it with special moves such as flamethrower and ice beam.

How could gamefreak set up the grass starter like this?

>>26833234
To be fair, fuck Chesnaught.

The bird of bravery.

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Can we finally dispel the notion that Chesnaught's shiny color scheme fits with the rest of the line's normal color scheme? Because it does not, not in the slightest.

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>>26833546
Chesnaught's original colour scheme makes a lot of sense. People just don't like it.

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I like Chesnaught, but at the same time, there's a reason it's not one of my favourite Pokémon. Poor thing is flawed as fuck.

>>26833138
This colour scheme and pose may very well have helped save it.

>>26833629
Well there's your issue. It doesn't matter much if it makes sense- people dislike it. I don't mind it, generally speaking, but I do think something like >>26833138 would have been leagues better.

Hell, even if that beige had been a bit darker, like in >>26830144, it might have been better off

>>26829984
My dude. I thought at first he looked like a goddamn mummy

They really needed to give it kneepads similar to what it has on its arms or something- anything to break those contiguous beige bars

>>26832963
>Breloom's power comes from Technician
>130 base attack

dude come on

>>26830073
This is also a pretty damn good way to sum it up.

Hate that fucking picture though. The beard makes him look like he has a really fat lower jaw and oh god

>>26827002
>full body cast
>those fucking stiff extendo arms
>gets rid of the color scheme and head spikes established by the previous two stages
>doesn't even look like a knight, whereas Delphox and Greninja are clearly a mage and rogue respectively
>the color scheme is also goddamn terrible
From a design standpoint, everything.

At least it's useful in competitive.

>>26834105
Something like this >>26833138 but with head spikes would instantly take Chesnaught from shit-tier to God-tier.

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>>26834130
WHAT IF IT HAD KEPT CHESPIN OR QUILLADIN'S EAR/SPIKE THINGS HOLY FUCK

I'm getting on this stat

Chesnaught is actually really great, but when they make the cancer that is talonflame, it makes him impossible to use...

>>26827002
Ur mum m8

>>26832963
>Without Mach Punch and Technician Breloom would just be a useless and shitty Spore spammer, not much better than Parasect
But Anon, Breloom DOES have mach punch and technician. You can't just say hey, ignore that and consider how bad it would be if it didn't have them. So this complaint is irrelevant. It's like me saying, "if you weren't such an ugly fuck you'd be really cute!"

Fun fact: On a purely objective viewpoint, Chesnaught is the worst starter design and anyone saying otherwise is objectively incorrect.

>>26827002

Nothing.

>>26834370

Designs don't matter.

Pokémon is about collecting.
It's not about Designs.

>>26834370
And you're stupid

>>26827002
nothing, 19xx+ elo with him in OU

>>26834370

Wrong. That's Emboar. Delphox is also lower.

>>26834370
This. Nothing even comes close to its shittiness.

Shitnaught is easily the worst and most irrelevant starter. Not even the barafags could save this thread.

>>26834505
Retard. Chesnaught is worse than these two by infinitely.

>>26834505
Emboar and Delphox has redeeming qualities. Shitnaught does not. Therefore, it's objectively worse.

>>26834505
Lol no. Emboar and Delphox are leagues ahead of Shitnaught.

>>26827002
Nothing. Deodicurus mon is cool.

>>26834646
*Doedicurus

>>26827002
Literally the most universally hated and reviled starter ever. Japan hates it, Tumblr hates it, US hates it, Reddit hates it, Yurop hates it, 4chan hates it. There is no such thing as a place in the entire world that don't hate the living shit out of Chesnaught.

Jesus Christ all these implications.

>>26834655
For me chesnaught is best starter ever created.

>>26832310
Fact: Delphox is blessed with weekly threads, showing that the community likes Delphox.
Fact: Chesnaught is not blessed with weekly threads, showing that the community hates Chesnaught.

As you can tell from these facts, Chesnaught is more hated. Be gone Chesnaughtfag.

>>26833105
I'm actually the opposite

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>>26827002
Ches is bes

>>26834811
Braxien dominates those threads and they're pretty much a containment thread for furries

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>the amount of samefaggotry going on in this thread

>>26834655
Chesnaught is the only good grass starter, trust me as a diehard water starter man, I was repulsed by naurotoad and fell in love with baranaught.

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>>26832842

He's based off this.

All grass starters are based off extinct animals.

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>>26834811
going by this line of thought every pokemon except the fennekin line, eevee line and lopunny is hated by the community

>>26834655
This is a big assumption, friendo.

Also, pretty sure Meganium is the most universally hated starter.

>>26834864
Yeah, Chesnaughtfags has to samefag to make it look like they're not in the tiny minority. They're truly cancerous.

It strayed too far from Chespin's original concept. Chespin is one of my favorite gen 6 mons but Chesnaught is one of my least favorites.

Okay, let's actually settle this.

http://www.strawpoll.me/10556128

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>>26832310
>butthurt Shitnaughtfag using Delphox as a scapegoat
Every time

>>26835002
>le funny Donald reaction faec
Into the trash it goes.

>>26835034
>Chesnaughtfags are anti-trump
Yet another reason Chesnaughtfags are the scum of the earth.

>>26835053
The fact that I'm laughing at you for being a typical alt-right middle school memelord doesn't mean I'm anti-trump.

>>26835079
That doesn't mean jack. You Chesnaughtfags will be demonized across /vp/ for being anti-trump thanks to your little comment there.

>>26835053
i like chesnaught and also i like trump

>>26834893
Nope, Meganium is the most useless starter, not the most hated one

>>26835233
It's pretty close for being the most hated

>>26832552
Not that guy, but in the first post he said most manly grass starter and you didn't even mentioned a grass starter in your list

>>26834893
>the best starter from gen 2 is universally the most hated starter

fuck off typhlosionfag

>>26835408
Venusaur, Sceptile and Torterra are objectively manlier. Hell, even Meganium and Serperior are manlier, and there's a strong chance that Rowlet's final evo will be manlier.

>>26827002
Whats wrong with it? It looks like it could rip your body in half with just one arm.

>>26835455
It looks like shit.

>>26835034
>getting butthurt over le funny wall man
Chesnaughtfags, everybody.

Maybe Tumblr would be more appropriate for you.

>>26835475
Its a an armored humanoid chipmunk who isnt hat awesome?

>>26835455
No it doesn't. Its arms look like tubes and it looks so stiff, like it can't even move them because it's stuck in a full body cast.

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Design wise I think he is underrated. A bit much going on, it takes awhile to see he ISN'T obese. His face is loveable and I dont mind the armadillo/nut base idea.

Competitively he has solid all around stats. "But m-muh bravebird" Tflame is clearly a hard counter, but he resists ground, water, and ground to only name a few. I've built one:
careful 252 hp, 100 def, 100 spde, 52 att. spiky shield, helping hand, drain punch, leech seed. he fills a nice niche and the over the top rage for him makes me question if people are graspin for xy hate. Delphox on the other hand.....

>>26834879
He's a fucking chestnut.

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>>26835578
ground, water, and rock**
oops

>>26835549
Holy shit shitnaughtfags are so underaged they cant even spell

>>26827002
the retarded pose, especially in-game

>>26834879
>snakes and frogs are extinct

>>26834934
Make sure to show your disapproval for Shitnaught, fellow Anti-Chesnaughtbros.

>>26835611
No it's just a Kalosperm

>>26836519
Im a Unovafag actually.

Friendly reminder that everyone who think that Chesnaught is anything but shit are all contrarian scumbags.

If you like Chesnaught, you're a contrarian. No buts or ifs.

>>26836558
Shet up you stupid dummy Chesnaught is the coolest pokemon ever you faggy stupidhead.

>>26836576
This post is the perfect summation of the Chesnaughtfag's low level intelligence.

>>26832554
hello ratto

>>26836576
Lel. Chesnaughtfags, everybody.

>>26827002
It's a fatty. Fatties has no right to be in Pokemon.

>all the roothoot bandwagoners are the diehard grass starter pickers that got fucked in gen6 by chesnaught

>>26827002
Honest answer.
The arms and legs proportions are fucked; arms should be shorter with the elbows more defined, and legs a bit longer. As it is now it looks retarded outside of fanart.
The color isn't that bad, I understand people like the shiny better, but it isn't that bad. The beige parts should be darker though.
Stat wise, it should have been a fast-tank (specially with that typing), since it makes more sense as the "armor" looks light as fuck.

I really don't understand the blind hate this pokemon gets though. I completely get why some can dislike it and you can be very rational when pointing out what you find wrong with a pokemon, but the behavior of most against this one is comparable to the anti-forces that run amock in the waifu threads of /a/.
I mean, you merely express something positive about the pokemon and you get smothered by retarded posts that look too sarcastic to take seriously. My guess is that most of the guys started to just bandwagon a little for fun, and the hate ended up blinding them.

>>26836675
>>26836576
>>26836590
Samefag

>>26827002

Nothing. It's not exactly the irredeemable piece of shit that is Meganium.

>>26837761
Except that Shitnaught is an irredeemable piece of shit. Meganium still has a chance at redemption.

>>26837784
why are we only whiffing at small retorts?>>26837097
>>26835578
>>26834081

So can anti-chesnaught threads be a daily thing from now on? These are fun because Chesnaughtfags gets BTFO every time they try to do anything about it.

>>26838094
>let's smear shit all over the place for the sake of smearing shit!
>I'm shitposting and nobody can stop me!! XDD
Is summer, alright. Guess that means it's time to go to the beach! There's a very calm one close to my town with no idiot tourists. That's life, man.