What are the best starters of each type?

Venasaur
Typhlosion
Swampert

Charizard
Blastoise
Venusaur

/thread
inb4 cant thread yourself, the truth hurts kids, should have been born sooner.

Venusaur
Infernape
Feraligatr

Greninja since it can just turn into all those types with protean and hidden power.

>>26818790
This.

Alternatively:

Charizard
Feraligtr
Venusaur

Blaziken
Greninja
Torterra

>>26818832
My nigga

>>26818832
this
>Leaping mega high with Blaziken!
>Being a ninja with Greninja!
>Crashing planes with Torterra!

>>26818766
Venusaur
Feraligatr
Braixen

Not into the waifu thing, but it was the first good fire starter design in years. Torchic line was shit, sun wukong line was disgusting, and I like emboar, but it's not for everyone. Cyndaquil is alright/cute but bland, charmander line is a joke.

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>>26818790

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>>26818766
This is a pretty tough question, but i guess my choices would be

Torterra
Infernape
Greninja

>>26818887
>charmander line is a joke

Lecontrarianface.jpg

>>26818766
Torterra
Blaziken
Feraligatr

>>26818766
toerterra
infernape
empoleon

Rowlet
Cyndaquil
Oshawott/Piplup

>>26818766
of each type? hard one
fuck it
typhlosion
swampert
torterra

>>26818899
It's just a lizard with fire in the tail and eventually gets fat, even compared with venusaur and wartortle which are from the same gen, it's pretty bland. Blastoise is equally bad too, compared to wartortle.

>>26818956
It's a fucking bad ass winged lizard. You can suck a dick for being under 18 and unable to appreciate old designs because a bunch of kids told you it was dated.

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>>26818832
>>26818895
>>26818910
>>26818950
You guys are alright

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>>26818766
Venusaur
all fire starters are shit
Not Samurrot

>>26818950
Exactly my choices. Fantastic taste anon.

>>26818887
>sun wukong line was disgusting
Terrible taste, friend.

>>26818973
But I appreciate old designs, anon. Ivysaur is my favorite pokémon ever. I'm sorry that your "bad ass winged lizard" for me is just a dumb, fat lizard. But it's just my opinion, it shouldn't matter that much for you.

Serperior
Infernape
Feraligatr

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i could replace delphox for typhlosion but I tried to spread it equally amongst the gens

>>26819054
Fuck equality

>>26818987
agreed.

Venasaur typhlosion empoleon

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Rowlet
Litten
Popplio

Torterra
Infernape
Empoleon

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Venusaur
Blaziken
Greninja

>>26819169
it was already obvious you were trolling, the pic is overkill

>>26818766
Serperior
Blaziken
Greninja

>>26819211
M-Gatr soon.

>>26818783
Fucking spell Venusaur right you cockmongler

Also Venusaur/Blaziken/Greninja or Empoleon

Sceptile or Snek
Blaziken
Greninja

>>26818766
Torterra
Greninja
Charizard

>>26819211
>nigger fanart

Serperior
Typhlosion
Swampert

>All this Torterra love

This board is alright sometimes.

Torterra
Greninja
Infernape

>>26818766
Torterra
Infernape
Feraligatr

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>>26818950
>my exact choices
Brother!

I'll go for my favorites then
Typhlosion
Swampert
All the grass types are shit

>>26819475
>All the grass types are shit
you can't even decide which one is the least shit?

>>26818766
In terms of competitive play:
Grenigga
Blaziken
Venusaur

In terms of ordinary play:
Feraligatr/Swampert
Infernape
Venusaur

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I think this is pretty objective. My personal favorites are Typhlosion, Feraligatr and Meganium, so I don't think it's that biased, either.

>>26819716
Greatest taste, aside from samurott

>>26819716
Meganium isn't even bad design wise, in fact it's really good

its issue is that it was conceptualuized as a peaceful Pokémon and as such has low attacking stats

by the way, an opinion list can never be objective, by definition

>>26818790
This

>>26819720
Again, not a matter of taste; when it comes to that, I'm a Johtoddler. It's supposed to be an objective ranking of their designs (or a close as someone without formal artistic training could reasonably get to it).
Glad to hear it rins true for somebody, though.

>>26819723
No, but designs can be objectively good or bad, by how squarley they hit the mark for humanity at large. Someone can be objectively charismatic or popular, for example, even though each permutation of their social interactions is a matter of opinion for the opposite party.
And I think Meganium's cool, but it's antenna are really out of place, it should generally have more details, and the petals don't mesh with or accentuate the body as well as other grass-type pokemon. But like you said, that serene look is why it's my favorite.
Hey, at least it was good in Mystery Dungeon.

>>26819716
If this chart is meant to be design-wise, then Greninja can't be anywhere near the top. It belongs with Samurott.

>>26819766
>(you)
No, really. I'd like to hear your explanation for this, from an objective perspective.

>>26819766
>most popular pokemon of all time
>loved on /vp/ from froakie's reveal
>fantastically competitive to the point it is banned in certain places
>featured anime mon with unique mechanic
>is a frog
>is a ninja
>has a tongue for a scarf
But somehow it is bad because you say so.

It's astounding how far contrarianism goes on this website.

>>26819716
This isn't all that bad, actually. I would personally move Blaziken, Typhlosion, Blastoise and Meganium all up one slot, and Chesnaught down one slot though.

Also, although I mainly agree, calling this objective.. well, anon, you know that aint right. There's bound to be a lot of people who disagree.

>>26818766
Bulbasaur
Cyndaquil
Squirtle

>>26818766
I think I'd go for
Rowlet
Blaziken
Greninja

>>26819802
Again, objective in that it's supposed to represent an analytical consensus that most people worth their salt would arrive at, and not my personal feelings.
I felt that, while it had the classical appeal of Charizard, it had nothing going on that was BETTER than Charizard, as it went from (in a child's eyes), a rat to a bigger kinda rat, as opposed to a lizard to a fucking dragon, which those little shits'll eat up. Also has an awkward design in regards to the flames from some perspectives and while on all fours. They were not thinking of a 3D environment when they designed the thing, only a 2D sprite, and it showes. It's lead to their turning off the flames for idles in the most recent games, which actually led to a lot of its fans disowning it (at least in-game).
Blastoise is just not original or notable-looking enough to be bumped up a spot. Still got high for it's classically-imposing bearing, though.

Blazakin just doesn't look quite right to a lot of people when standing next to other pokemon, which is understandable considering it's proportioned like a seven-foot-tall person, whereas most pokemon are anime-esque. Even Mewtwo or Deoxys feel like manletts next to this thing, and people pick up on that, it seems.

Chesnaut is just so much more original and classically "cool" than other grass types (and therefore more appealing to swathes of people) that it god bumped up despite its flaws.

Perceived problems with Meganium are >>26819760

>>26819919
Shit, the "it" in the second line is Typhlosion.

Charizard
Venusaur
Blastoise

Blaziken
Blastoise
Chesnaught

>>26819970
are you trying to say the worst ones possible?

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>>26818766
The Best Buds Brigade, of course. Can't go wrong with any of the Hoenn boys.

>>26819919
Alright, so I love that we're having this discussion, cause normally discussions about designs on /vp/ are usually just "hurr i h8 it and its stoopit".

>Again, objective in that it's supposed to represent an analytical consensus that most people worth their salt would arrive at, and not my personal feelings.

Still, I really disagree with this, at least in a vaccuum here. You can point out certain issues here and there, but some may be of varying degrees of importance (for instance, I agree with a lot about what you said about Meganium, but I dont think those flaws are as bad as Delphox's entire design), or just simply something where we don't see eye to eye on (Blaziken being that example. The only design analysis you said that I entirely disagree with, I think it looks great standing next to others)
See, the problem here is, we're essentially at a stand still, where we can only negate what each other said, but provide little to back it up. I personally like the relative simplicity of Blastoise, and think that it's a perfect back bone for a "classic" pokemon design. I think that Chesnaught has a some design elements that interfere with it too much (such as the weird arm shield thing distracting from the already built in armored top that would make more sense to focus on), but all we can offer is us disagreeing on those differences.

Still, all in all, good effort, and glad you actually gave enough of a shit to try and be non biased.

>>26819987
No. I actually like them.
Blastoise was my first ever pokemon, and I always thought Blaziken and Chesnaught lookedthhe best out of their groups.

Charizard
Empoleon
All grass starters are equally shit

Sceptile
Charizard
Swampert

Chesnaught
Swampert
Charizard

Venusaur>>>Serperior>Torterra>Sceptile>Chesnaught>>>Meganium

Charizard>Blaziken>Typhlosion>Delphox>Infernape>Emboar

Blastoise=Feraligatr=Greninja>Swampert>Samurott>Empoleon

>>26820033
Yes, Meganium isn't as bad as Delphox, but that doesn't say much. I just didn't want to include a shit-tier because that was aside from the point, as bad was just meant to be "completely unappealing to most players, given a wide range of options". And I actually think that, while Blazakin looks unnatural next to other pokemon, it makes sense; he's based off of shamo (or japanese gamecock), which look unnatural next to other IRL animals thanks to having been bred to fight to the death. I think it's a great POKEMON design, just a very odd choice for a starter design. It might've honestly made more sense as a pseudo-legendary. And I think Blastoise's symbpicity is it's appeal, but I also think it's what kills it; it's not iconic enough. If you asked someone who played pokemon as a kid but was impartial to it to draw Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur's heads, chances are only Charizard'd be recognizable, thanks to the notability of the horns, whereas noone will remember Blastoise at all because it's basically a circle with angry eyes and rudimentary ears. To draw a contemporary and similar example, I think Bowser has a better design, thanks to the dog-like snout, hair and horns, which make it stand out despite it's simplicity..
And I get that obviously I'll never be ACTUALLY objective, but I intended for it to be more of my vague and uninformed impression of what most people thought of the designs vomited onto MS paint, so I'm glad it's not completely atrocious. Cheers.

>>26818783
Typhosion is garbage in terms of stats and movepool. It has so much potential as a mega

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>>26820349
I like Insurgence's Mega Typhlosion, both as design and stats.
https://wiki.p-insurgence.com/Typhlosion_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29

>>26818766
Literal starters:
Chikorita
Torchic
Squirtle

Fully evolved:
Torterra
Typhlosion
Both Samurott and Greninja

>>26818766
Snivy
Blaziken
Empoleon

>>26818950
Equisite taste

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>>26820349
>Physical movepool is more diverse than the special
>but Eruption
JUST

>>26818766
Competitivly
Blaziken
Serperior
Greninja

My prefered Starters
Torterra
Blaziken
Samurott (its too early to decide on popplio)

>>26818766
Serperior
Blaziken
Empoleon

>>26818766
Venusaur
Infernape
Swampert

Meganium (sorry)
Blaziken
Blastoise

Correct answers:
Blastoise
Typhlosion
And Torterra.

Objectively:
>Serperior
>Blaziken
>Greninja

>>26818927
Gen 4 has the best trio of starters

>>26818766
>Serperior
>Thyplosion
>Greninja

Torterra
Blaziken
Greninja

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>>26819716
>Actually uses the word Objective somewhat properly

You seem like a nice guy, anon. I think this is one of the few couple of times that i've ever seen someone not put his favorites on the top and instead reserves the top spot for whoever he believes is the most fitting of that spot.

There's pokemon that are bland, but i like a lot, but there's also pokemon that have great designs, though i'm not overly fond of. When it comes to making these lists i always place those i'm not particularly in love with at the top sheerly because of the strengths of their designs.

Your water list is pretty great, though i would personally move Empoleon up to the RADICAL tier. The rest of the list is spot-on, though i don't really think any starters are completely bad, per-se. Maybe a bit lousy at most.

>>26819203
What he said

Competitively
Venusaur Blaziken Greninja
In my opinion (design wise)
Sceptile Charizard Samurott

Charizard
Sceptile
Greninja

Charizard (Mega Y)
Sceptile
Greninja

>>26819211
AYOO HOL UP

>>26818766
Sceptile
Charizard
Swampert

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Competitively, it's Venusaur, Blaziken, Greninja. Those are OBJECTIVELY the best.

In my opinion though, it's Torterra, Typhlosion and Swampert.

>>26819800
>has a tongue for a scarf

This is why it's bad. I'll never get over that fucking tongue scarf.

>>26818766
Serperior
Delphox
Swampert

>>26818766
Torterra Charizard Greninja

>>26818824
I guess it's pretty easy to like all of them when they all have the same face

>>26819211
I like shorts! They're easy and comfy to wear!

Venusaur
Infernape
Greninja

Torterra Serperior is a close second
Emboar
Samurott

I started with gen 1

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>>26819211
>Feraligatr isn't a head and a half taller than Scep.
Dropped. Even if the taste is immaculate.

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Opinions coming through. Please try not to get to butthurt

>Fire
God Tier:
Charizard

High Tier:
everyone else

Meh Tier:
Blaziken, Infernape

>Grass
>God Tier
Chesnaught, Torterra

High Tier
Everyone else

Low Tier
Sceptile

>Water
Elder God Tier
Feraligatr

God Tier
Swampert

High Tier
Everyone else

Absolute trash tier
Grenigger

Idc if I hurt your feelings with my tastes.

Torterra
Typhlosion
Either Blastoise or Feraligatr

loving all my torterra+typhlosion motherfuckers in this thread

if talking Basic stage:
Chespin or Turtwig
Torchic
Squirtle or Froakie or Totodile

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Charizard
Meganium
Swampert

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>>26823015
>God
>God
>ELDER God
I like you. You can come over to my house and fuck my sister.

>>26818950
My nigga

>>26822844

But you sure as hell are into disgusting fox ear hair , faggot

venusaur
delphox
feraligatr

fight me

Absolute shit tier:

Chesnaught and Emboar

Great to decent tier:
Everyone else

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>>26823034
>Feraligatr shows Charizard Dragonite and Oshawott up in this movie

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>Feraligatr won't get a mega in sun and moon
>instead it will get a shitty boost mode that raises its stats as its mega evolution

I want to die

Shit tier:
Chesnaught
Delphox
Almost ok tier:
Meganium
Empoleon
Emboar


The rest is fine

>>26819800
>most popular pokemon of all time
You mean Pikachu?
>loved on /vp/ from froakie's reveal
/vp/ is not one person.
>fantastically competitive to the point it is banned in certain places
>playing anything that isn't UU
>featured anime mon with unique mechanic
Anime AND syncro garbage? Really?
>is a frog
Okay.
>is a ninja
Okay.
>has a tongue for a scarf
Yeah, this is pretty bad, I agree.
>But somehow it is bad because you say so.
You haven't given any reasons as to why it's good, other than appeal to the masses.
>It's astounding how far contrarianism goes on this website.
If Lucario isn't your favorite Pokémon, you're a contrarian and don't belong here.
See?
I can be a narrow-minded asshole, too.
Never change, Greninjafags.
Not everyone's going to like your ugly ass frog.

>>26818790
>MY NOSTALGIA IS FACT BECAUSE I'M A 90'S KID XDDDD

end yourself

>>26823089
Which one is it?

>>26823149

Why are Chesnaughtfags so bitter all the time?

>>26823171
Kalos as a whole is garbage, don't try to deflect you pathetic Greninjafag.

>>26823185

Who said i'm a Greninjafag?

And Chesnaught is utter bara shit, and you know that, faggot. Now, go back to sppf

>>26821906
this

>>26818832
This

>>26820370
What the fuck is the point of 101 BST increase?

>>26818766
Turtwig, Litten, Squirtle.

>>26820393
This guy gets it

>>26823159
The mega mewtwo one

Torterra>Venusaur>Sceptile>Serperior>Meganium>Chesnaught

Typhlosion>Blaziken>Infernape>Charizard>Emboar>Delphox

Empoleon>Greninja>Blastoise>Samurott>Feraligatr>Swampert

>>26823327
Swap Swampert with Greninja and you have it

>>26823015
Your taste in water starters is absolutely top-tier, everyone else may as well pack up and go home.

>>26823393

Nah, it's fine where it's at.

I'm going with Torterra, Emboar Blastoise

>>26823393
>>26823409
> samefaggin this hard
> try again

>>26823438
>he can't check for post counts
Get out, newfag.

As far as battling goes:
Blaziken
Greninja
Venusaur

Design:
Infernape
Empoleon
Venusaur

>>26819723
I actually really like Meganium's design, I just hate that it was introduced in a region where it literally doesn't have a single type advantage against any of the gyms. They should have given it a secondary type of some kind, but the only one I can really think would fit it is Fairy, and that wouldn't have worked for obvious reasons. Here's hoping for a good mega soon.

>>26819760
That stuff isn't objective though, it's just vague bullshit

>>26819800
I really like Greninja, but you're deluding yourself if you think Greninja is the most popular of all time. Ask somebody who Pikachu and about 80% of people will know who you're talking about. Ask them about Greninja and only actual Pokemon fans and little kids might know what you're talking about.

>>26819333
THIS! Exactly!

Venusaur > Torterra > Sceptile > Meganium > Serperior > Chesnaught

Infernape > Blaziken > Charizard > Emboar > Delphox > Typhlosion

Feraligatr > Greninja > Swampert > Blastoise > Empoleon > Samurott

>>26820002
Blaziken is a girl

>>26818766
Venusaur
Infernape
Empoleon

In my humble opinion.

>>26824163
here

>>26823460
be my bf

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>>26823840
>Greniggerfags who also like Feraligatr

Its like you can't tell the difference between a good simple design and some overdesigned cancer. Its the same thing as being tasteless.

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>>26824177
I-If you insist anon-kun...

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>>26819203
>>26821922
>>26822095
These desu famalams.

>>26822112
>>26822822
Wrong desu. Serperior = Venusaur-M (source: smogon viability ranking) competitively.

>>26823840
>Infernape over EVERY other fire stater
Rarely do I go out of my way to tell another anon how shit his taste is. Was Sinnoh your first region or what?

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>>26824198
>Greninja
>overdesigned

Dumb frogposter

>>26818790
XD

Typhlosion
Blastoise/Empoleon
Meganium

Emboar
Feraligatr
Venusaur

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>>26823634
He's just saying that because the biggest Fave Pokemon IN JAPAN had him at first place.

We don't live in a pokemania anymore, so even if an outstandingly popular pokemon is introduced, it will never reach Pikachu levels of normie reach because the franchise isn't literally everywhere you look like back in 1999.

>>26824862
It's the least shit in a pile of shit. All Fire starters are bad, but Infernape is the most polished turd.

sceptile/serperior, delphox, and feraligatr

>>26818766
>>26818805
>>26818899
>>26818927
>>26819046
>>26819180
>>26819418
>>26819574
>>26819716
>>26820851
>>26824163
>>26823840
>>26823460
>infernape
kill yourselves

>>26825084
welp im a fag and accidentally said that >>26818899 is a chimcharfag
never mind about that part

Chesnaught, Emboar and I think I'll love Popplio no matter how it ends up

I love big pokemon, they look pretty huggable

Chikorita
Braixen
Blastoise

My favorite game is SS, and I love Feraligatr, but...

Serperior (will be replaced by Rowlet if the evos are good)
Empoleon (still the best)
Braixen (until GF fixes Delphox's in-game model)

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Serperior
Emboar
Greninja

This is the only true answer.

>>26824198
Oh come on man, Feraligatr isn't that bad...

>>26818766
Torterra
Typhlosion
Swampert

>>26818950
Stellar taste

>>26821906
A+

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>>26818887
>>26818887

>Sceptile/ Torterra
>Charizard
>Feraligatr

>Empoleon
>Sceptile
>Blaziken

Not even a Hoennfag, I played G1 when it came out.

>Serperior
>Charizard
>Empoleon

>>26818766
Venesaur
Blaziken
Swampert

Chesnaught
Samurott
Charizard

Purely based on my opinion on design

Serperior
Greninja
Blaziken

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>>26818766
Nailed it champ

>>26822089
I had empoleon down there just because it's hard to picture him fighting, which is, I think, I requirement for everything that isn't grass-type (because retractable vines) as far as starters go. That's what I meant by "slight design flaws; fundamentally a little off, but executed perfectly". And all I meant by "bad" were "not appealing enough to justify it's role as one of only three options for main in-game partner"; as wild pokemon, they'd all be good. Appreciate the props though

>>26825084
It's creative and decently designed, but I can see why features like the muppet-mouth or red unibrows would turn people off.

>>26823629
I mean that there are objectively better STARTER designs, presuming the goal with them is to appeal to as many people as possible between the three; you are right in saying that it's too vague to classify a design as bad insofar as whether or not it should exist in general, though (i.e., as a wild pokemon).

>>26818766
Sceptile
Charizard
Blastoise

>>26818790
I would say charizard, torterra, and blastoise.

I say this as a genwunner

>>26818766
>Grass
anything but Chespin cause Chespin is dumb
>Fire
anything but Tepig cause Tepig is dumb
>Water
Totodile's the best but all of them are pretty dope

>Venusaur
>Empoleon
>Charizard/Infernape

In that order too.

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>>26818766
Torterra and Venusaur
Emboar
Swampert

>>26824241
Doesn't Mega Venusaur cap Serperior?

>>26829060
M-Venusaur fell to B+, Serperior is A- and iirc discussion about making it rise to A is ongoing, not sure about that tho

>>26825103
>welp im a fag
Indeed you are.

>no Greninja for all of them
But seriously, replace Feraligatr and then I agree

>>26829076
>tongue scarf
No thanks.

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>>26818766
I don't like picking BEST, but I can pick the WORST:
Chesnaught
All of them
Samurrot

Sceptile
Typhlosion
Empoleon
Fucking fight me about it.

Gen 4 had the best set of starters overall

Sceptile > Serperior > Torterra > Venasaur > Chesnaught > Meganium

Infernape = Charizard > Typhlosion > Blaziken > Delphox > Emboar

Feraligatr > Greninja > Empoleon > Blastoise > Samurrott > Swampert

Well, for starters I seem to really not like many fire starters. And as for swampert, I really like it's mega but that's it.

charizard
blastoise
venasaur

>>26818766
Infernape
Blastoise
Torterra

leaf starters have always been a problem too me so i picked the best one

Sceptile
Greninja
Typhlosion

>>26818766
Sceptile
Charizard
Greninja

Maybe add Blaziken as a fourth starter. This is Game Freak's dream starter roster.

>>26819211
These were my in-game choices too back then. Nowdays I really think the Johto starters are garbage.

> charmander
> torchic
> fenekin
well, now I have to choose

>>26818766
Blaziken
Serperior
Swampert

>>26819354
Lol

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>>26818790
Lol no

Greninja
Meganium
Emboar