Non-canon stuff that fans believe are canon

>>26809940
What exactly leads you to believe the Pokedex is canon in the first place anyway?

>Non-canon stuff that richard believes is canon

some of the stuffs in the games are non-canon and shouldn't be taken seriously.

For example: Mew learning Crabhammer.

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>>26809940
I hate how people think that Gengar is Clefable's shadow. Like it's a theory stop thinking is official. It's just a coincidence they have similarities, it was gen 1 they had limits to what was unique.

>>26809940
It's canon in the game world where game mechanics apply, not in the one the dex describes. Fuck off.

>>26809986

The Pokédex is canon.

Maybe neither is canon?

>>26810009
I hate how people think that the Big Bang happened. Like it's a theory stop thinking is official. It's just a coincidence CMBR exists, it was trillions of years ago they had limits to what was unique.

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>>26809969

The Pokédex is part of Pokémon story/lore.

>>26810020
>game mechanics
>ever true canon

Are you stupid anon? Games are always limited by their mechanics, which is why most people accept them as not canon. Watsonian perspectives are stupid and not canon anyay because Masuda says so.

>>26810050
So is gameplay.

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>>26810042

Impossible.

>>26810050
This really doesn't explain at all how the Pokedex is canon and other in-game sources aren't.

>>26810056

I'm talking about Egg Spawning mechanics being incompatible with the Pokédex entries.

Fuck off Richard. Literally nobody gives a flying fuck other than your autistic ass. Fuck off and kill yourself.

>>26810009
Gengar's name comes from Doppleganger though. His name is literally just a corruption of ganger.
>ドッペルゲンガー
>ゲンガー

>>26810046
Heh, it was fun even if that absolutely isn't related.
Bacause you know... we have evidences for Big Bang. So even if that doesn't prove that it occured, it's believable.

Gengar being Clefable shadow is pure speculation.

>>26810055
>most people accept video games as not canon for the story/world of the game that they are
holy fuck Richard you really are retarded

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>>26810064

>>26810046

I hate how people think that evolution happened. Like it's a theory stop thinking is official. It's just a coincidence animals slowly became extremely suited to ther environments, it was trillions of years ago they had limits to what was unique.

>>26810046
That's a faulty comparison.

>>26810080
So you're saying the Pokedex here is canon because it's supported by evidence in-game which you argue is non-canon. Dude come on.

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>>26810079

Are You insane?

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>>26809986
>>26810070
>>26810079
What's with this "Richard" thing? I mean, I'm familiar with the Mew Crabhammer meme, but why do people always call these Pokedex faggots Richard? I'm pretty sure I have missed something.

>>26810080
Just because many things in the Pokédex are correct doesn't mean all of it is.

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>>26810086
Thats also a faulty comparison. Comparing evolution of a whole planet to a pokemon....yeah that makes since.

>>26810103
Mewtist's name is Richard, his twitter had been found.

Richard, you make me sad, honestly. Your threads end up in nothing but shitposting, nobody ever agrees with you and you get called names.

>>26810097

I said. some of the stuffs in the games are non-canon.


For example: Nidoking being incompatible.

Pretty much everything, whether you have a headcanon or only follow one medium over the others. Pokemon has no consistent portrayal, and to say one is more valid than the others is foolish. The original never takes precedence, not for anything.

>>26810101
>Apparently

>>26810103
Not entirely sure but I think some autist namefagging as Richard always argues about the pokedex being the gospel and everything it says has to be canon

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>>26810106

Everything in the Pokédex is true.

>>26810112
Some of the stuff in the Pokédex is just folklore, like Arceus being literally god.

>>26810110
I was just trying to continue on a copy pasta until it became a meme

>>26810103
>not here long enough to understand Richard
fucking summerfags

>>26810078
>>26810096
>>26810110

the joke
your head

>>26810079
I'm talking about game mechanics you stupid fuck. They are obviously not 1 to 1 true to the Pokemon world.

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>>26810111
Thanks for the quick explanation anon, I wasn't aware of this.

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>>26810121

don't gave me that crap.

>>26810136
Arceus literally IS God you faggot. Play the Gen 4 games and then come back.

>>26810139
>>26810138
Sarcasm is hard to read without hearing it.

>>26810133
>came from the moon
>came on a meteor
>came on a meteor from the moon
I don't think so.

>>26810050
This actually makes a lot of sense.
The pokedex says a lot of exagerated shit and a bunch of bullshit because you, the 10 year old kid who just leaved your mother's house, is using it.
The protagonist is recording the information of any pokemon he caughts.

>>26810138
To be fair, I've been here since the early days and I missed the part where we found his name at first.

>>26810055
When did Masuda outright reject a literal interpretation of game text?

>>26810153
>According to the legends of Sinnoh, this Pokémon emerged from an egg and shaped all there is in this world.
Even the Pokédex admits it's just a legend.

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People think "starter Pokemon" is a canon term. When GF started saying "partner Pokemon", people questioned why they changed the name.

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>>26810136

The Pokédex doesn't call Arceus " God Pokémon.

It says Arceus created Universe with It's thousands arms.

>>26810179
A sort of reverse situation happened with Shiny pokemon too before it was a fan term to describe differently colored pokemon, in gen 5 it became a legitimate term.

>>26809940
What does the pokedex entry add to your statement anon?

Also, the Kanto war.

>>26810162

Because, you don't follow canon information.

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>>26810165

I'm guessing you don't understand Pokédex?

>>26810120
>Pokemon has no consistent portrayal
Nigga, even taking the anime into account, pokemon has a very consistent lore across its products. Thing is, Game Freak isnt retarded enough to not know the difference between gameplay and lore.

>and to say one is more valid than the others is foolish. The original never takes precedence, not for anything.
You're one of the main reasons this fanbase is shit.

I see your problem. You assume people here have standards. I assure you, they don't. There has never been an agreed upon interpretation of the pokemon world. Not by us, not by TPCI, and not even by Gamefreak. It doesn't exist.

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>>26810009

Pure fanon.

>>26810185
Pretty much the same thing in my opinion.
To be precise though, the Pokédex states that he does this in mythology. There's a lot of stuff in the Pokédex that's stated using uncertain language.

>>26810178
Legends are true until proven otherwise in the pokemon world you retard. YOu literally see Arceus creating three mons.

>>26810231

Think about what you just said.

>>26810229
Ok, I'll bite. What is one thing that is common to ALL official portrayals of pokemon?

>>26810165
>The pokedex says a lot of exagerated shit and a bunch of bullshit because you, the 10 year old kid who just leaved your mother's house, is using it.
OP, add this to the list.

>>26810235

Arceus is not a male. It's gender is unknown.

>>26809940
>nidoran female breeds with nidoran male in the wild
>evolves twice
>nidoqueen defends its babies
There, now stop posting this shit in every fucking thread

>>26810252

No need to. You people don't follow canon information.

>>26810247
I don't know what it is I'm supposed to be seeing.

>>26810248
Evolution chains.

>>26810257
So are Diancie and Magearna, but people still call them "she".

>>26810263

No. I was saying that some things in the games are non-canon.

For example: Nidoking being incompatible.

>>26810267
When has it been stated that the dex info is biased by the MCs?

What if the Pokedex said everything in the Pokedex is false?

>>26810257
I'm sorry, I meant to say "The Pokédx states that xe does this in mythology."

>>26810281
what the fuck are you even trying to say

>>26810275

Some People are silly.

>>26810267
Only you cares about that, Richard. Fuck off.

>>26810287

too uncharacteristic for the Pokédex.

>>26810309

Leave, if you don't care.

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real richard reporting in

>>26810323
Nobody in your threads ever agrees with you. Richard, I really want you to use a tripcode so that I don't even have to hide+report your threads, I'd have you automatically filtered.

>>26810272
Hmmm...that is true, although the evo chains have changed from their original versions. Can you name another?

>>26810296

do everything need to be explain to you?

>>26810332

You are not me. I would never go against the Pokédex entries.

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>>26810338
Typings, only changed for delta species which have an in-universe explanation.

>>26809940
Richard, why do you do this?
Some things in the Pokedex simply don't make much sense. Ignoring some things the Pokedex claims doesn't inhibit their enjoyment of the game. It just helps them fully immerse themselves in the games settings without having to worry about Magcargo destroying everything for miles and Cubones being an impossible species.
Why do you want to take that away from them?

>>26810336

I don't care, if anyone agree with me.

I told you that before.

People don't always follow the truth.

I'm not talking here. The Pokédex is.

>>26810241
We see him create Pokémon eggs, but we don't see him create any universes. Legends are just legends until proven otherwise.
Canon is that it's a legend. We don't know if the legend is true or not. If you want my opinion though, I think Unown are probably the thousand arms of Arceus, that they are actually the ones who create things and Arceus just controls them.

>>26810340
you articulate yourself like a retard so prettier wording wouldn't kill you

>>26810364
Richard, the pokedex isn't real.

>>26810353

See. You are a foe.
You are against the Pokédex entries.

>>26810369
>Legends are just legends until proven otherwise.
It's the other way around. To people who played anything past Gen 2 that is.

>>26810361

This is Pokémon.
It doesn't follow our logic.

It follow Pokélogic.

>>26810364

Richard, stop denying the Holocaust.

>>26810369
But we see that the Pokemon which hatched from these eggs can create (and destroy) universes. How do you explain that?

>>26810378

It is a Hi-tech device.

You are not attacking me. You are attacking the Pokédex.

>>26810398

I don't come here to troll you.
I don't understand why you fail to see that fact. I take the Pokédex entries very very seriously.

>>26810370

I don't care about that. by denying the Pokédex entries. You are following liars.

The Pokédex is what, I care about.

>>26810406
>>26810433
The same pokedex that contradicts itself with each game. Even within the same gen.

>>26810435

You just don't understand the Pokédex.

So what is lore for pokemon?

>>26810443
Everything that isn't the Pokedex.

>>26810443

Lore is the story.

>>26810403
Does each one have the same capability to destroy the universe? Is a newborn Palkia just as powerful as one that's potentially just as old as the universe itself? I'm not denying these Pokémon's power, but that doesn't mean everything in the legend is true word for word, just the fact that there are more than one of each of these Pokémon seems to debunk the legend at least partially.

>>26810447
That would cause innumerable conflicts that make defining lore impossible.

>>26810449
The story is different for every set of games and across all the spinoffs. Again, no real definition.

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>>26810447

Liar.

Richard, do you think you are teaching us anything?

Do you think you will change our thoughts and behaviors?

If anything, you are just making more people turn against what the Pokedex has to say.

People here don't like you.

They don't like the way you post.

They don't like the way you derail threads.

They all think you are an annoying little twat who can't deal with the slightest amount of creative thinking.

They think you're a joke who suffers from low-functioning autism.

Just end this. You are helping no one.

>>26810470

I'm talking about main games only.

>>26810467
> but that doesn't mean everything in the legend is true word for word, just the fact that there are more than one of each of these Pokémon seems to debunk the legend at least partially.
Legends are true till proven otherwise. The plot of every game after Gen 2 hinges on this.

>>26810470
>That would cause innumerable conflicts that make defining lore impossible.
You mean like the Pokedex does on it's own?
Anyway if you ignore it everything makes sense.

>>26810474
I said the lore is everything that ISN'T the Pokedex anon.
That falls under lore because it's not part of the Pokedex.

>>26810475
>They all think you are an annoying little twat who can't deal with the slightest amount of creative thinking.

Imagination is a delusion. You suffer a mental defect if you believe it.

>>26810475

I don't care, if people don't like me.

There will always be who don't like you.

You just have to accept.

As life goes on.

>>26810419

Richard please you're making me very upset, the Holocaust DID happen. You can't just deny facts like this, six million Jews were killed, it's not funny.

>>26810475
this
fuck off richard, fuck you

>>26810482
It still applies.

>>26810419
But we don't, and we don't want to talk about them ! What's so hard to understand about that ? Why would you come to a place where NOBODY wants to talk with you ?

>>26810494

The Pokédex is part of Pokémon lore.

>>26810357
>gardevoir
>magnemite
>Azumarill

>>26810507

If you don't understand Pokémon.

>>26810509
The pokedex contradicts the lore.

>>26810485
You sound like a religious nutcase.The plot of all the games are still completely possible even if the legends aren't true. It's a fact that Palkia is a powerful Pokémon with the power to control space, and it's also a fact that Dialga is a powerful Pokémon with the power to control time. However, this doesn't mean the legends are completely true. It's left ambiguous on purpose.

If the pokedex is real where are the indians elephant ?

>>26810433
I must be so sad to care so much about a fictional device.
Caring so much about a fictional character is one thing, but to religiously follow the teachings of an inanimate object that doesn't exist in the real world to the point of which you get upset when people deny it?
That takes insanity.

>>26810494
I do not have the proper analysis of everything everyone ever says about pokemon and how it relates to gameplay, which you are including if you are JUST excluding the pokedex. Still, there are obvious fundamental contradictions that unravel the entire definition of what makes up the pokeworld. I will not deny these same contradictions exist in real life, but they were invented by humans. They are not naturally true, as you would suggest.

>>26810101
Wild pokemon like that are souls, the ones that born from eggs - aren't.
Obviously many egg pokemon are released into wild. So only like 1/1000 honedges are actualy a real human spirit

>>26810111
All for no reason, really. It's a legitimately valid argument to make. /vp/ goes and gets itself so triggered which results in imitators who want attention and thus more shitposting.

>>26810353
It can. Transform into Kingler with Crabhammer.

>>26810511
Yeah, retcons. That are consistent within all media.
If you're gonna be an autists at least do so well.

>>26810535
>You sound like a religious nutcase.
I'm not denying the last 14 years of the franchise anon(even more if we count the anime where we see plently of legends being true).

>The plot of all the games are still completely possible even if the legends aren't true.
I guess all of Hoenn happened to be on a particularly rainy weather in Sapphire.

> However, this doesn't mean the legends are completely true.
Ok, I'll bite. You see parts of them being true, why assume the rest isn't?

>>26810511
Different anon, but that doesn't refute the point he made

>>26810547
>Still, there are obvious fundamental contradictions that unravel the entire definition of what makes up the pokeworld
Such as the pokedex, aside from that there aren't any contradictions in the game especially since alternate universes were introduced.

>>26810585
>there aren't any contradictions in the game especially since alternate universes were introduced.
That's not how it works anon.

>>26810595
That's exactly how it works.
If you can't prove a contradiction that can't be explained that is.

>>26810580
>Ok, I'll bite. You see parts of them being true, why assume the rest isn't?
Because there's no proof. Game Freak intentionally leaves some things ambiguous. I think it's more interesting that way.
And I'm not assuming they're not true, all I'm doing is saying it's possible they aren't. You're the one assuming here.

>I guess all of Hoenn happened to be on a particularly rainy weather in Sapphire.
Did you miss the part where I said I'm not denying the power of these Pokémon? Kyogre has the power to control the weather, potentially enough to flood the earth. That is a fact.

>>26810605
>That's exactly how it works.
No anon, not at all. A multiverse is not an explanation for contradictions unless stated so(which hasnt), they are two unrelated concepts and in any other fanbase I'd be surprised someone thinks otherwise.

>>26810622
>Because there's no proof. Game Freak intentionally leaves some things ambiguous.
No proof, yeah. Aside from the plot that is.

>I think it's more interesting that way.
What you think does not matter.

>And I'm not assuming they're not true, all I'm doing is saying it's possible they aren't.
With no basis other than "I think it's more interesting".

>Did you miss the part where I said I'm not denying the power of these Pokémon?
And said power is stated on the legends.

>>26810652
>A multiverse is not an explanation for contradictions
Except for, you know, the part where it explains the differences.
That said you can't apply that to the pokedex because those contradictions happened in a single universe.

>>26810652
>and in any other fanbase I'd be surprised someone thinks otherwise.
You'd be surprised how many people aren't as retarded as you are

>>26810652
Just because the legends state the Pokémon's power doesn't mean everything else the legend says is true. It's pretty illogical to assume such a thing.

>The plot proves the Pokémon's power
>The legend also mentions the Pokémon's power
>Therefore the legend must be true!
Are you the type

I don't need a basis to not assume something. Not assuming is the default position.

As for my actual basis though, whenever these legends are mentioned in the game they always use uncertain language. It'd be one thing if the game said "Arceus created the universe!" But instead it never says that, it only speaks of myths and legends. It was clearly Gamefreak's intention to make these Pokémon mysterious, so why do you act like we know everything about them?

>>26810518
What exactly am I not understanding? The story IS different across all sets of main series games. Even a blind person could see that. Well, at least for the villains. As for the rest, it is my understanding that the people in the games actually know doodly squat about pokemon. All is rumors and hearsay. Everything else breaks the fourth wall. The gameplay would contradict it anyway. Without the pokedex, we have unreliable sources and something that has been proven to have no effect on future events. I know what you would say, though, and no, that does not prove the pokedex alone is the most reliable resource, mostly for the reason I include every other official product. The games are not all there is. Pokemon have NEVER exhibited the traits spoken of in the dex. EVER. Even for the games alone, we are speaking of a source that CANNOT BE CONFIRMED. That doesn't make it right, it makes it just as uncertain as everything else the games can say.

>>26810741
>Are you the type
lol sorry forgot to delete that part. I was going to ask if you're the type to believe anything a holy book says just because a few things align with reality, but I changed my mind because it sounded a bit condescending.

>>26810697
>Except for, you know, the part where it explains the differences.
Only the differences between Black and White and RSE and ORAS are explained that way.

Are those the only games with contradictions?

>>26810724
I'm not the one making shit up anon.

>>26810741
> It's pretty illogical to assume such a thing.
>source states X, Y and Z
>X and Y are proven true
>therefore, it's illogical to assume Z is true

>Not assuming is the default position.
But you're assuming against a basis.

>>26810585
Oh, if that's the case, then I'm still right anyway, since if you're going to handwave alternate universes to say anything is possible, then this entire matter is purposeless. There is no definition of pokemon.

Can someone ban this bitch already

>>26810773
Yes, it is illogical to assume Z is true just because X and Y are true. If there's no proof for Z being true, then it's illogical to assume that it is.

>>26810773
>Are those the only games with contradictions?
Can you list any others that haven't been explained already?

>>26810773
>But you're assuming against a basis.
No. Didn't you hear me? I'm not assuming anything.

>>26810792
This. I might sign up to be a janitor one day

Richard never used to make his own threads. He would only spew his shit in existing threads. This is a false flag thread.

>>26810496
Here's the thing, Richard.

Nobody here likes you.

You are no different from Barneyfag, Goodrafag, and the like.

Some people here may stick up for you and even compliment you, but they are not being truthful.

They are making fun of you.

They want to make you feel like you are part of something bigger just to get your reaction.

They are laughing at you.

To them you are nothing more than a joke.

This isn't healthy, Richard.

Just let it go.

>>26810796
If this were a scientific debate I may agree, but it isnt. You see proof the legends are true in the games. Deny them all you want though.

>>26810812
Yes you are.

>>26810810
You're the one arguing that contradictions exist, and the multiverse statements only apply there, nothing is said on FRLG, HGSS or DPPT. What you say is that those games are entirely consistent(aside from the dex), is that true?

>>26810838
No it was just b8 for him

>>26810843
>You're the one arguing that contradictions exist,
Are you even following the conversation here?

>>26810874
Yes, you said that there are contradictions that are explained by the fact a multiverse exists.
There's only 4 possible universes stated to exist, which apply for the differences betwen the blacks and whites and ORAS and RSE.
So, again, are those the only games that contradict each other?

>>26810843
You see proof that what the legends say about the Pokémon's power is true. You don't see truth about anything else.
If a Holy Book says the sky is blue, the earth is round, and space is big, that doesn't mean anything else it says is also true.

>Yes you are.
TIL not assuming things without evidence is an assumption.
Like I said, I'm not saying the legends are false. There's no proof of that, so it'd be illogical to say such a thing. I'm not saying they're true either. That means I'm not assuming anything.

>>26810840

I don't care about that.

>>2681084
Goodrawhatever was a internet troll.

It purpose was to annoy to you.

>>26810932
Then why do you do this?

Why must you spread word of the Pokedex to people who hate you?

Surely there must be somewhere where you would be more welcome.

>>26810497
oh come on 6 million didn't die. im not a holocaust denier, it did definitely happen but the bagel munchers love to exaggerate.

>>26811000

That's not important. The Pokédex is what's important here.

We're talking about Pokémon.

>>26811430

The Pokedex is only important to you.

To everyone else it is just an object in the games that gives a small amount of information for each pokemon.

The Pokedex is hardly even important to this thread's topic.

This thread was made for the purpose of mocking you.

You are a clown, Richard.

People here don't respect you.

The only way people enjoy your presence is to laugh at it.

Please, for your sake, find another website to bring your Pokedex worship.

Do you like being a clown?

who the fuck is richard

>>26809940

Gen 5

>>26811525
I don't care, if they don't respect me.

It's the Pokédex what matter.

I didn't come to talk about me.
I came here cause of Pokédex.

>>26811664

What are you talking about?

>>26811684
And people here don't care about the Pokédex. Is that hard to understand?

>>26811684
No, Richard, YOU matter.

It is you who is in charge of your fate, not the Pokedex.

You have free will.

>>26809940
Hold on, it makes sense that they aren't compatible. Nidorino and Nidorina are both natural evolutions of their Nidoran forms. However, the Moon Stone isn't found in nature at least on Earth, they could be literal moon stones. They aren't able to evolve past their second stage without help from a mysterious catalyst, the Moon Stone. However, since those are so rare, evolution (the darwinian kind) caused the two only be able to breed in their Nidorina/rino stages and not beyond that.

>>26811700

Are You sure about that?

>>26811779
The Moon Stone doesn't work until the final state. It doesn't explain Nidorina.

>>26811720

No. Only Pokémon matter, since. It's a Pokémon topic.

>>26809940
This thread literally happened like 3 days ago

>>26811779

Nah. Nidoking and Nidoqueen been incompatible is non-canon.

>>26811798
Richard, do you like it when people mock and humiliate you?

Are you a masochist?

>>26810121
>Apparently

As in, it is apparent.

Stop being a faggot and confusing it with >allegedly

Faggot

Stop responding, you dumb motherfuckers.

I want everyone who reads this post to never, ever respond to this kind of autistic bullshit thread again. Not ever. Just ignore them. It's not that complicated.

All you do by responding and bumping it up in the catalog is give one guy more things to respond to and perpetuate his own pointless ramblings. You are being the problem. Don't respond to him, don't do anything but ignore them. You're helping to clog up the board with shit that doesn't matter.

>>26811815

No. I'm neutral about it.

I can't control how people feel about me.

Their lives. Their business.

I accept that fact.


We're talking about Pokémon.
Remember.

>>26811826

No. I talk about the Pokédex and Pokémon lore.


What are you here, if you don't care about Pokémon?

>>26811841
I think you like it.

I think you are a dirty slut who gets off on people hating him.

>>26811841
But nobody wants to talk about pokémon with you. Everybody wants you gone.

>>26811786
Absolutely 100% sure. Nobody cares about it as much as you do. At best people here will read it once to know a bit about their favorite pokémon, and forget about it later on. Or to shitpost about pokémon being too small or too big.

>>26811858
We play the games.

>>26811858
To speculate about Sun/Moon and shitpost because nobody on /vp/ is ever happy about anything.
Also I like showderp.

>>26811872

I have no interest in that.

>>26811918
>>26811897
>>26811883
>>26811893

None of You are real Pokémon fans?

Sad.

>>26811960
There are different kinds of pokémon fans.
There are those like you who like the dex.
There are the ones who just enjoy doing battles in game and going on an adventure.
There are the competitive battlers. The shiny hunters. The breeders. The roleplayers. The ones who like the anime, the ones who play the TGC.
We're all pokémon fans here, just not the same kind.

>>26811948
Oh yes you do.

You like to get hurt both physically and emotionally.

You were bullied in school and it made you feel funny down there, didn't it?

It's okay, Richard. We can talk about it. We're anonymous here.

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>>26812013
>you will never bully Richard until you see a bump in his pants
>you will never slowly pin him down on his bed and gently pound his virgin boyhole
>he will never yell "THE POKEDEX IS ALWAYS RIGHT" as he comes and you fill him up with your seed
how sad

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>>26811982

Pokémon don't breed in the Day care.

>>26812013
>>26812080

I don't.a and Not sexual arousing.

>>26812200
It's just a made-up term that's convenient to use.

>>26812219

Egg Spawners is more accurate.

>>26812236
Sure, we'll say in this thread that if it makes you happy. But my point still stands. Not caring as much about the pokédex as you do doesn't make you any less of a pokémon fan.

>>26812245

It does.

A real Pokémon fan would wanna know everything about a Pokémon.

The Pokédex is the greatest source for information on Pokémon species.

>>26812292
A real pokémon fan can also use their imagination to go on the adventure they want to. There are those who like canon, those who like fanon. Those who don't care about either of those and just want to battle with their pokémon and be the very best like no one ever was.
To be a fan, you just need to enjoy the series. That's the ONLY requirement. Liking pokémon.

>>26810165
The pokedex automatically generates the information on the Pokémon after catching it. Nobody "writes" the entries, except for the Pokédex itself. So the only people there are to blame for its stupidity are the professors.

>>26812308
>fanon

How can you like a series for things that are not intrinsic to it?

>>26812350
Nice way disregarding the rest.

Most people don't care either about canon or fanon, we just play the games, we have battles be at the battle spot or with our friends.
The Pokédex is just flavour, the entries are always there, when you catch a Pokémon, the entry is unlocked, Game Freak wrote those to give the world a bit of flavour and background, not to be taken as a Holy Book or the absolute truth.

>>26812350
Because those creations can be interesting in and of themselves, the most fun I've ever had playing pokémon is probably playing Blaze Black 1/2, a fan hack. Artistic creation by fans is a normal thing, and I'm the kind that tends to praise grabbing a pen to start drawing or writing, no matter how shitty it is.

>>26812308

Real Pokémon fans wanna know everything about Pokémon species.

>>26812396
Real pokémon fans enjoy pokémon. That's it.

>>26812385

did game freak said these Pokédex entries are false?


No.

>>26812415
Did they say that those are absolute truth?

No.

>>26812410

No. Real Pokémon fans love everything about Pokémon.

>>26812427

Prove their not.

>>26812433
That's a matter of opinion. You can be a pokémon fan and love the series without caring much for the pokédex.

>>26812448
Prove they are. The pokédex isn't the only thing that matters.

>>26810138
literally retarded

>>26812215
Oh it is very sexual arousing.

We know you like it, Richard.

All this tough act about defending the pokedex is just so nobody notices that you are a filthy little buttslut.

You're fooling nobody, you nasty twink.

You're quivering asshole needs to be filled with man meat.

>>26812476

I don't care about sexuality.

I care about Pokémon.

>>26812448
Game Freak never said anything note worthy about the Pokédex.

The Pokédex is just there.
You're going by this train of thought
>They never said anything to deny [thing], so [thing] must be true!

Yet that who both ways.
>The never said anything to confirm [thing], so [thing] must be false.

See your problem? You just make assumptions, and you never defend or show evidence about your train of thought, but you're always demanding proof and back up to everyone that doesn't share your way of thinking.
Are you a home-schooled isolated only kid for any chance?

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>>26812465


Ok. Here.

>>26812527

Everything in the Pokédex is true.

You are just too silly to realize that.

>>26812540
An example can not be a proof, Richard. That is not how debating works.

>>26812524
What about Pokémon sexuality? Would you mate with a Pokémon?

>>26812549
>examples are not considered proof

>>26812465

No. You can't. Real Pokémon fans love Pokémon species and wanna know everything about Pokémon species.

You are not a real Pokémon fan.

>>26810281
>For example: Nidoking being incompatible.
Incompatible with what?
You need to learn to finish your sentences

>>26812549

Everything in the Pokédex!!!!!

Everything.

>>26812548
Alright, fine, then EVERYONE on this board is too silly to realize it, and nobody wants to change their minds to agree with you. Get the fuck out of this board now.

>>26812557
Again, matter of opinion. The only requirement to be a fan of something is to like said thing.

>>26812556
Just like a mathematical theorem, you can't prove that the pokédex is always right with just examples, because sometimes it can't apply to every single entry. There are entries, like Slugma's, that contradict each other. You'd need a quote from the games or someone from Gamefreak saying "the pokédex is always right about everything" to prove it.

>>26812566

I'm not perfect.

>>26812576
You have a lot in common with the Pokedex then

>>26812572

The Pokédex is always right.

Even Paradoxically.

>>26810133
It says "people believe", not "it does"
Which I guess is correct.

>>26812581

Thank you.

>>26812589

Myths in Pokémon Earth are true.

>>26810009
what about the Venemoth/Butterfree thing

>>26812600
Not always, as with Absol.

>>26812583
Fine. Let's admit it is.
Why do you make threads, then ? If people here are too silly to understand the pokédex and change their minds ? Because we won't. We won't listen to you, we won't change our minds, we don't want to talk to you. Really.

>>26812592
I will take your thanks and lack of protest as an acknowledgement that you accept the Pokedex's imperfections

The pokedex has info that becomes outdated and replaced. Just look at Absol's. At first it was a bringer of doom, and then a warning of it. This is why National dex entries are copied from previous games, because the pokemon aren't canon to the region's story and would never have been caught under normal circumstances.

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>richard
wait... are richard and mewtist the same person?

if so, when did he reveal his name?

>>26812552
Oh we both know Richard would love to be anally ravaged by a large male Pokemon.
Perhaps a Tauros or a Tangrowth or even a Nidoking (which is more compatible with him than Nidoqueen) .

Especially while his master is humiliating him while it all happens.

>>26812631
People found his old twitter.

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...why are people still responding? What are they getting from talking to this regard? It's gone from mockery to full on, engrossed engagement with someone who is clearly either mentally damaged or an incredibly dedicated troll. Kill yourselves.

Sage because fuck this whole thread. Nuke it.

>>26812385
>flavor, background
>not the absolute truth

Your logic is faulty.

>>26812393
If you are not going to create something that follows the established rules it has set, then it can no longer be called that thing. You might as well be making an original fiction or game and stop wasting peoples' time.

Egg Groups, or rather Breeding in general.

>>26812427
What IS the truth, then? A lie that the entire fandom tells itself? The game is not what you believe it is. I believe at least some of you understand that. You will defy the premise of the game? Why did you get the game to begin with if you disagree with it? Answer me that.

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>>26812608

>>26809940
A lot of people think Pokémon have genitalia.
I don't understand why? There's not a single thing suggesting they have genitalia.

>>26812614

Nah. Everything in the Pokédex is true.

don't be silly.

You guys do realize you're arguing with a mental disorder? You literally can't change his mind. He has attached to the pokedex, and the "rules" his mind has built are all to protect the sanctity or his fantasy world. Just let him have it, who the fuck cares? The correct respose to this type of person us to say "oh that's nice" and then go on believing what you want. You can't win him over with logic or proof, and obviously his "logic" and "proof" aren't going to change any minds. I know we are all just posting on a Japanese frog site, but still seems really pointless.

>>26812671
When did Game Freak stated that the Pokédex holds the absolute truth?
And no, asking me when "they said that the Pokédex is false" is not an answer.

Bring me an interview, a blog post, a mention, whatever that could back up that the Pokédex is completely true.
A screenshot from a game doesn't matter, I want evidence from the people at Game Freak.

>>26812713
The game is set up in a fictional world that doesn't even exist. There's no truth at all because it's fictional, is just fantasy. And the premise of the game is collect, trade and battle with monsters with powers, in a glorified Darwin's Cockfighting. That's the premise, the Pokédex is just flavor.


>>26812730
Is still better than rampaging shitposting.

>>26812730
I just really want him to go away.

>>26812730
Because we want to break him even more than he already is.

>>26812748
t. Normie supremacist

>>26812752
I'm not against mentally challenged people going on 4chinks, but Richard's case is just sad. He's autistically stuck in his mind and won't accept any change to it.

>>26812727
The information in the Pokedex is based on scientific research. Science is fallible, and is sometimes wrong and often corrected.

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>>26812723

I see but Pokémon can poop.

>>26812776
What does pooping have to do with genitalia?

>>26812765

Pokémon Science.

Not our science.

Pokémon technology is far more Advance.

>>26812742
So, pokemon are just tools for you? I fail to see the importance of flavor, then.

>>26812783

Nothing. I was just telling you that they can.

>>26812776
That doesn't mean they have anuses.
They could poop from their mouths or their eyes or their feet haha poopy feet.

>>26812802

The Pokédex doesn't say that.
You are making stuff up.

>>26812794
They're less than tools.

They are nothing but useless data.

Richard, do you talk to your family about pokémon and the pokédex ? If so, how do they react ?

>>26812787
The fact that their technology is more advanced does not make their science infallible. Science is never completely infallible, it simply becomes less likely to be wrong as technology and research progresses.
The Pokedex (either directly or from researchers like Oak and co) makes observations about Pokemon and draws inferences from them. There is no reason why mistakes could not be made in this process.

>>26812824
They're hardly useless if you use them for battle, and they're hardly worthless if you value them so much.

>>26812794
I like some designs. I even "care" about my party but at the end of the day they're still just data, less than tools. I can't use them to help me in my shores.
And the flavor helps in worldbuilding, any story that only focus on what some character do is boring and doomed from the start. You need a world were things happens, with it owns beliefs and background. You can make a world look alive via flavour and other things. That doesn't mean that the flavour and background is true. Most JRPG said a legend about a great hero and in the end you discover that that hero was the most evil guy to ever exist.


Now answer the question, when did Game Freak said that the Pokédex holds the absolute truth. And this time, avoid asking other thing, answer the goddamn question.

>>26812812
The Pokedex doesn't say they have anuses either.
It doesn't say ANYTHING about where they poop from.
So we don't know. Making ANY claim about where they poop from is making stuff up.

>>26812812
The Pokedex also doesn't say they have anuses either.

We know they poop, or at least Darumaka can, but we don't know that they don't poop from their feet.

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>>26812843

Their technology is far advance and the Pokédex gets updates.

Face it, the Pokédex is always right about everything.

>ITT: Richard being an autist like always and retards thinking everything related to the gameplay in a RPG is canon
taking gameplay mechanics as undisputed canon in any RPG always leads towards "why do they take turns instead of fighting at the same time?" or something similar

>>26812856
The battles aren't real. They are just pixels on the screen.

They're a fun time waster and that is all.

>>26812860
>>26812859

All, I said is that Pokémon can poop.
Nothing more.

>>26812884
Would you like to smell Pokemon poop, Richard?

You know, as a joke. haha

>>26812873

Not Everything in the games is canon.

>>26812894

No. unless the Pokédex said it was for research.

>>26812858
If it's all the same to you, I do not believe a thing you say. Worldbuilding is irrelevant to something that you care nothing for.

>>26812870
No, the Pokedex is fallible.
Their technology is very advanced but their data is still based on observations which can be misinterpreted or misstated during the process of getting and interpreting the data.

What reason do you have for believing the Pokedex is perfect? What evidence do you have that the information collection process is completely without error?

Nothing to this effect is ever stated in-game or by Game Freak. There is no reason to believe it to be the case, and it intuitively should not be.

Unless you can prove me wrong by providing direct evidence to the contrary, then your belief is baseless and unreasonable and it is no longer worth arguing with you.

>>26812883
Then your battles hold no meaning. I do not believe you like them as much as you say you do.

>>26812906
If the pokedex told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?

>>26810233
Where's that pic originally from?

>>26812932
Someone should infiltrate Game Freak and slip in to one of the dex entries for a flying type "Richard, if you jump off a cliff, this Pokemon will become real and rescue you"

Then we can finally be rid of him.

>>26812918

No. It is not.
The Pokédex is always right.

>>26812907
Answer the question.

A game is a game. I have fun playing it. I have favourites. I was able to even meet more people thanks to it, and now I play with them. But in the end is still a game.

Now. Answer the question.

>>26812932

The Pokédex talks about Pokémon species.

>>26812985
I guess you never unlocked the item entries.

>>26812783
>anal sex is canon

>>26812973
If that is fun for you, then you should get back to work, because that's just as fun and can have the same results.

>>26812971
Since you ignored it the first time, I'll ask you again.

What reason do you have for believing the Pokedex is perfect? What evidence do you have that the information collection process is completely without error?

Nothing to this effect is ever stated in-game or by Game Freak. There is no reason to believe it to be the case, and it intuitively should not be.

Unless you can prove me wrong by providing direct evidence to the contrary, then your belief is baseless and unreasonable and it is no longer worth arguing with you.

I will keep asking you to justify yourself until you do. Please think hard

>>26813019
I already finished work for today.

Answer. The. Question.

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>>26813036

The Pokédex is always right.

>>26813001

I meant. It force on Pokémon species.

The Pokédex was made to be a guide about every Pokémon.

>>26813042
No, you're not. Work is only done when you are no longer able to do it. Now go back, slave!

>>26813057
That still does not answer my question. Listing times the Pokedex was correct does not prove that it is always correct. Please read more carefully and properly understand what I am asking you to do.

I'll repeat myself once more for your convenience:

What reason do you have for believing the Pokedex is perfect? What evidence do you have that the information collection process is completely without error?

Nothing to this effect is ever stated in-game or by Game Freak. There is no reason to believe it to be the case, and it intuitively should not be.

Unless you can prove me wrong by providing direct evidence of the Pokedex's infallibility, then your belief is baseless and unreasonable and it is no longer worth arguing with you.

>>26813074
>being correct is not being correct

There's nothing more to see here, move along.

>>26813074
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP

THE POKEDEX IS ALWAYS RIGHT

>>26813100
You misstate my point.
I said that listing SPEFICIF times the Pokedex is correct does not mean that it is ALWAYS correct.

Your belief is not just "The Pokedex is sometimes right"
Your belief is "The Pokedex is always right"

You have still not offered any evidence that the Pokedex is always right.
You have only offered evidence that the Pokedex is sometimes right.


Since I'm worried you won't understand, I'll give you an example to illustrate the difference between showing things that are sometimes true and things that are always true.

For example, I could post a hundred screenshots of a Ninetales that knows the move Flamethrower.
This would be good evidence that Ninetales SOMETIMES knows Flamethrower.

But, if I claimed that "All Ninetales know the move Flamethrower," that would be false. No matter how many screenshots I posted of Ninetales using or knowing Flamethrower, it would not prove that all Ninetales know it.


Hopefully you understand the difference now. So, I'll ask again:

What reason do you have for believing the Pokedex is perfect? What evidence do you have that the information collection process is completely without error?

Nothing to this effect is ever stated in-game or by Game Freak. There is no reason to believe it to be the case, and it intuitively should not be.

Unless you can prove me wrong by providing direct evidence of the Pokedex's infallibility, then your belief is baseless and unreasonable and it is no longer worth arguing with you.

>>26813151
You might want to say that in simpler english, Richard's seems pretty limited.

>>26813151
>SPEFICIF
fuck me, I of course meant SPECIFIC

>>26813100
Being correct 1000 times is not proof you are always correct. Its not even proof you'll be correct the 1001 time. Pretty elementary concept.

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>>26813074

The Pokédex gets updates.
It's information is always right about everything.

>>26813151
Then there is no point to trying to define anything, is there? It's all meaningless.

>>26813215
No, defining things is still meaningful because we define them on a practical level.
There is no practical advantage to assuming the Pokedex is always correct, so a definition of the Pokedex as being infallible does not make sense.

>>26813182
So light doesn't have a constant speed, then?

Why is it this fanbase seems incapable of understanding the concept of gameplay and story segregation? Other video game fanbases understand it fine and don't have moronic arguments like we see happening in this topic, but the Pokemon fanbase is retarded it seems.

>>26813229
Practical? If we alone provide definition to something, then it having value must be true for someone.

>>26813213
Please carefully read what I am asking you.
You are simply restating your point and not answering the question.

I will repeat it once more:

What reason do you have for believing the Pokedex is perfect? What evidence do you have that the information collection process is completely without error?

Nothing to this effect is ever stated in-game or by Game Freak. There is no reason to believe it to be the case, and it intuitively should not be.

Unless you can prove me wrong by providing direct evidence of the Pokedex's infallibility, then your belief is baseless and unreasonable.

Furthermore, I would like to clarify that I want evidence of the Pokedex being PERFECT, not evidence that the Pokedex is SOMETIMES right.

>>26813234

Pokémon fanbase is full of People being silly.

That's why

>>26813234
Nobody even seems to know what the story is!

>>26813253
Then why do you talk to "silly" people ?

>>26813259
And if it's just collecting and battling, then there IS no gameplay and story segregation.

>>26813232
Your aren't a fireman! Or a cat! You are deny cats now?

I assume we are now just spewing random nonsense that has nothing to do with the basic logic I was explaning.

>>26813251

Masuda: We actually don’t think of the world of Pokémon as Earth. If we were to do that, we would kind of be limited by what we could do. By thinking about how physical objects work on Earth and how various elements work on Earth, we would kind of be limited to that if we though of it as Earth. We think of it as a place that is really similar to Earth, but is a different planet of its own with people in it who may be similar to people on Earth, but they have different values so they care about different things.

It’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen. There wouldn’t be global warming, water shortages, or anything like that. It’s a world where the people in it really want to work together with each other. Their value system is such where they would prefer to work together and eliminate these problems rather than feud.

>>26813247
Sorry, I don't quite follow where you're going with this.
>If we alone provide definition to something, then it having value must be true for someone.
I'm not sure what you're getting at with the word "value" but yes, if we have a definition of something it must be because it is useful to the users of the definition to refer to it somehow or other.
But I get the feeling this isn't quite what you mean.

>>26813273

I don't know.

>>26813297
Then the dex is true for someone.

>>26813296
That does not explain why the Pokedex would be infallible. It doesn't even mention the Pokedex.

Please explain what it is that makes you think this quote is evidence that the Pokedex is perfect.

all of you are retarded

don't repeat this next time he makes a thread

please hit bump limit right now

>>26813295
You seem to believe that there's no such thing as an absolute. I gave something that is widely believed to be a constant. Do you believe in it or not?

>>26813308
Then you have no reason to be here if you don't even know why you're here. This board is full of people that you don't consider "real" pokémon fans, and who don't want to talk to you. The only reason I post in your threads is so that you get the fuck out of here.

>>26813328

It’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen.

For fucks sake even leveling up your pokemon is canon, as well as the level at which they evolve. Everything that happens in both the anime and the games are canon because GF is retarded and can't think up explanations for things.

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GUYS THE POKEDEX IS ALWAYS RIGHT THIS POKEMON HAS ONE THOUSAND ARMS LEARN TO COUNT FAGGOTS

>>26813353

How about you leave.

We're talking about Pokémon.
We're talking about me.

>>26813314
Yes, I would agree.
But only in the same sense that the sun revolving around the earth was true for some people.
Though perhaps "truth" isn't a word we should use.
The discussion in this thread is essentially about whether accepting the Pokedex as completely true is practical or not.

>>26813373

It does.
Have a thousands arms.

>>26813360
And yet, in order for the world to exist as we see it in the games, there are plenty of flaws that exist in the real world present. Or do you not consider equality to be a problem?

The Pokedex says Ponyta's hooves are harder then diamonds. It also says Magcargo is hotter then the sun itself.

>>26813393

Masuda said: it’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen.

>>26813378
>We're talking about me.
That's the problem, you're the problem. The only reason people post in your threads is to try to prove you wrong so that you'll shut the hell up about your canon bullshit nobody cares about.

>>26813403
Masuda: We actually don’t think of the world of Pokémon as Earth. If we were to do that, we would kind of be limited by what we could do. By thinking about how physical objects work on Earth and how various elements work on Earth, we would kind of be limited to that if we though of it as Earth. We think of it as a place that is really similar to Earth, but is a different planet of its own with people in it who may be similar to people on Earth, but they have different values so they care about different things.

It’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen. There wouldn’t be global warming, water shortages, or anything like that. It’s a world where the people in it really want to work together with each other. Their value system is such where they would prefer to work together and eliminate these problems rather than feud.

>>26813360
Yes, problems like global warming and water shortages do not exist in the Pokemon world.

However, Masuda himself states the reason why these problems do not exist: "It’s a world where the people in it really want to work together with each other. Their value system is such where they would prefer to work together and eliminate these problems rather than feud."

In other words, it's not that these issues don't exist, it's that the people in the Pokemon world worked together to deal with them so they will never become a problem.

No amount of simply working together can make perfect technology such as a perfect Pokedex, since humans are not perfect.

So, this is NOT evidence that the Pokedex is perfect. There is no reason to infer that the Pokedex is perfect simply because they solved global warming in the Pokemon world.

>>26813379
Our entire existence centers on our point of view, how is that not practical?

>>26813418

Leave, cause. You are talking about me.

I don't wanna talk about me.

Pokémon is what's most important here.

>>26813421
Masuda is a official source.

Masuda said: it’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen.

>>26813408
Then pokemon should not be kept in balls and not given the same rights as any human. If they are our equals, this should be true, and it is not. Instead, pokemon are treated as possessions and has having a subsidiary role in society.

>>26813425
People develop points of view depending on what is practical to them.
If their way of thinking stops being practical, they will change it.
That's why people do things like convert to different religions.
That's what all scientists are in the business of systematically doing.

We are trying to demonstrate to Richard that the point of view that the Pokedex is always true is in fact not a practical way of viewing the world.

>>26813479
If it is true to him, then it is practical.

>>26813453
Masuda said: Holy shit you're a fucking hymen hermit cunt clogging dick devouring gooky chink.

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There are some people who believe OR/AS and X/Y are in a complete separate universe, and nothing from Gen1/2/4/5 happened.

>>26813467

Masuda said It'll sure would be interesting if Pokéballs existed in real life, and we haven’t imagined that. But, in terms of what’s inside of the Pokéball, it’s a space that’s incredibly comfortable for Pokémon. So comfortable, that they want to enter the Pokéball without any sort of outside encouragement. What’s actually in there is something we would like for people to sort of imagine on their own. In terms of whether humans can enter the Pokéball or not, it’s called a Pokéball, so probably not. I think it’s just for Pokémon.

>>26813453
Yes, problems such as Global Warming would not happen because the politics of the Pokemon world are different.

The only thing Masuda has done is establish that the political system in the Pokemon world is better equipped to deal with threats facing the planet.

This has nothing to do with the Pokedex.

>>26813508

Go away. I have no interest in homosexuality.

I have no interest in Pokémon lore and the Pokémon species.

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>>26813512

>>26813530

Game freak make the rules.
Masuda is one of them.

You cannot go against a official source.

>>26813493
No.
If it is practical to him, then it is true.
People do not magically and arbitrarily develop a sense of the "truth" to them and never deviate.
People develop a "truth" based on what beliefs they judge to be practical to them.

>>26813341
>>26813341
There's an absolute chance you're autistic

Memed asides, you never just have studied statistics or trig very much, or hell alegbra

>>26813518
Then why do pokemon break out of balls? Why would you attempt to escape something that is favorable to you?

>>26813532
Did Masuda say that? He fucked Sugimori.

>>26813557

I don't know. Pokémon are not evil and ask Game freak.

I am not omniscience.

>>26813546
>Game freak make the rules.
>Masuda is one of them.

>You cannot go against a official source.
I agree that I cannot go against an official source.
But, the rules say nothing about the Pokedex.
They say something about how the residents of the Pokemon world deal with global issues. But that has nothing to do with the Pokedex.
So, I am not going against Masuda or Game Freak when I say that the Pokedex is not always right.

If you can provide direct evidence or a clear explanation why something Masuda or someone else at Game Freak said means that the Pokedex is always right, then I will believe you.

>>26813549
Sugimori > Masuda
Sugimori made the fucking lore. And in game, the Pokedexes are written by children.
>Lava slug? MUST BE HOTTER THEN THE SUN!

>>26813564

No. I said.

The Pokedex says:

>"Trainers with Victini always win, regardless of the type of the encounter.”

If it's canon then how come I always lose when I use Victini in my team?
How come when two trainers with Victini fight, only one wins?

>>26813553
It didn't matter which constant I picked, as long as it's a constant.

>>26813549
Confirmed for not understanding people. You are henceforth invalidated. Good day.

>>26813576

Masuda said: it’s the type of place, the Pokémon world, where problems we face on Earth just wouldn’t happen.


By against the Pokédex entries.
You are going against official sources.

>>26813574
What is the Evil type, then?

>>26813596

Unofficial Pokémon battles outside of Pokémon lore are non-canon.

>>26813232
Light does not absolutely definitively move at a constant speed, no.
We have so much evidence that it DOES, however, and so many applications of that knowledge, that we assume it moves at a constant speed because it is convenient to us.
But we do not know it.