Any else hoping for a sneaky stones nerf? These fuckers have

>>26781530
be honest anon, you just want charizard to be more viable again, dont you?

t. OH MY GOD KILL

>>26781558
Charizard is already pretty fucking viable anon. Nah, I want a Talonflame buff.

Just use Magic bounce, Goggles and Rapid Spin

:^)

>>26781530
>gen 7
>Rapid Spin and Defog become tutor moves with much wider distribution
Problem fucking solved.

The problem isn't the hazards, it's how limited these moves are available.

They'll nerf sneagy pebbles by giving every type their own entry hazard

>>26781856
>Needing to devote a slot on your team to a Spinner or Defogger
No, the problem is still the hazard

>>26781870
>they stack

>>26781952
>Needing to devote a slot on your team to a Rocker/Entry Hazzard stacker

>>26781559
Do not associate Volcarona with that cringelord. It was randoms btw

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>>26781558

>>26781594
Yeah. Gale wings is broken.

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>>26781870

I would be okay with this.

>>26781530

Stealth Rock should be absorbed by Rock-types in the same way that Poison types absorb Toxic Spikes.

>>26781998
>Sodomizing Snowmen

>>26781969
Exactly

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>mfw Stealth Rock activates Weakness Policy in Gen VII

they should give us Seismic Rocks that do damage equal to the level of the pokemon hit

>>26781952
You don't need to devote someone, though. Excadrill doesn't NEED to run Rapid Spin to be viable, but has the option to do so. So do Pokemon like Blastoise or Starmie. Not all teams need hazard removal, but it certainly helps, and widening who can fulfill that roll would make so many more Pokemon viable.

The best way to nerf it is to give Defog more pp than Stealth Rock.

I've never had a problem with them.

>>26781870
>SNEAKY ICE

Oh my!

>>26781530
>ruined the past 3 gens' meta.
But gens 4,5, and 6's meta are arguably better than gen 3's and DEFINITELY better than gen 1 and 2.

Just make a special version of Rapid Spin and create an ability that destroys entry hazards upon entry and give them to some shitmons. Problem solved.

>>26783582
They should just make it so if you switch to a rock or a ground type the stealh rock go away like toxic spike and a poison type

>>26783617
Maybe Rock, since they are so shit, but Ground type would just make them useless.

>>26781530
How? These weren't used in VGC how have they ruined the past 3 gens meta if they aren't used there?

>>26781998
>Inconspicuous Ice Cubes

>Spikes on the ground don't hit pokemon in the air
>Rocks in the air hit pokemon on the ground
This meme needs to end

>>26781870
>clandestine coals
>burn on entry
Long live stall

>>26781856

Odor sleuth, foresight, and haze are widely available, yet evasion boosting is banned.

>>26781530

I don't think I would mind a nerd. Just as long as it does enough damage to break Sash, Sturdy, and Multiscale.

>>26783865
Well not everyone wants to have to have those moves!
But you should always have a someone with rapid spin or defog, if not you suck sorry.

>>26781530
i think a 25% cap on damage would fix them. like volcarona can switch in 4 times. maybe make them for off the ground mons only? like the opposite of spikes with the same max damage cap but only needs to be used once unlike spikes 3. would be a big nerf but still not unuseable.

>>26781856

The other problem is that Smogon Singles is unofficial, and VGC is the meta that Nintendo oversees (and even then it's less balanced than Smogon). Hazards are virtually nonexistent in VGC so they wouldn't see the need in buffing moves that really don't have any use in a Doubles format.

>>26783838
The rocks are everywhere

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>>26781998

>Flying Types still get fucked by them

>>26783921
Then why was Defog buffed to remove hazards in Gen VI?

They do care about the non-VGC formats, anon.

>>26783972
>Floating in the air

Here are a few ideas for nerfs without actually reducing the damage:

>Limited durability
Make it so that SR disappears after dealing damage 3 or 4 times. It'd still be a nuisance, but it wouldn't be a problem throughout the whole match.

>x4 resistant Pokemon destroy it on switch-in
In the same way that Poison Pokemon can absorb Toxic Spikes, something should be able to remove SR on entry.

Or as >>26783617 said, probably just rock type alone would work.

>>26781558
Mega X is a thing now you know and it takes most of the edge off of the rocks

>>26783556
>NOT CALLING IT BLACK ICE

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>>26781969
That lasts the whole match

>>26782104
If i see that damn fennek ONE MORE TIME.

>>26781530
>These fuckers have basically ruined the past 3 gens' meta
past 3 smogonmeme metas*

Being absorbed by Rock Types would solve everything, though Rapid Spin and Defog having better distribution would be a boon too.

>>26781969
a fuckton of good mons get stealth rock tho. you can slap it on just about anything.

a relatively easy way to fix the SR problem would be to severely limit its distribution i guess

They now do 20% typeless damage to Flying and Levitiating pokemon upon entry.

That's literally all they ever needed to do but Gamefreak are convinced having this specific entry hazard to type damage so that it trashcans certain typings and breaks others is a good idea.

I guess they're just too obsessed with VGC to realise how absolutely disgusting Stealth Rock is.

>>26788203
>I guess they're just too obsessed with VGC to realise how absolutely disgusting Stealth Rock is.
But it's not a "disgusting" move if it's balanced in the real game now, is it?

>>26781558
Because Charizard is the only pokemon brought down a whole tier by this move alone if there type is weak to rock, two tier for double weakness. Stealth Rocks are so fucking broken, they shouldn't be effective on everything and just murder on rock weak types, they should be negligible on neutral types and then effective, but not a game breaker, on weak types.

>>26788336
Depends on what your favorite format and Pokemon types are. Guys who loved muh Yomi and certain Ice, Bug, Fire and Flying mons are usually the ones crying the most about Stealth Rock.

>>26784453
>not calling it Invisible Icicles

>>26788203
Not a bad idea actually.
GameFreak felt like they could make OP Fire and Flying types with Stealth Rocks in the game; but that only really added to the shit storm.
This way we can keep some sort of cap on Charizard X/Y, Talonflame, Volcarona, etc. while not absolutely shitting on Pokemon like Scyther and Ninjask and whoever I'm not thinking of.

>>26781530
>implying ninja pebbles were the only problem
>implying the meta wasn't fucked since Mega Kahn
>Mega Fug
>and Xerneas being allowed in VGC
seriously, this is just one move and fucks up a few pokemon
all of the above fucks up EVERYTHING

>>26788639
At least VGC16 is just one year, it'll be over in a few months

Kangaskhan will probably be re-balanced a bit in S/M

>>26788639
>GF tries to focus on the VGC meta
>Still fuck it up

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All rocks do is weed out the good pokemon from the bad ones

>>26788718
Actually, that's wrong.

>>26781530
I fucking despise Stealth Rock.
My good ol' Shedinja can't even enter the battle before fainting because of that broken ass move.

>>26788718
So... Pic related?

>>26781558
Not him but I want Volcarona to be OU again.

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>>26790073
Same here, anon.
I'm forced to have a Mega-Sableye on my team because of that.

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>>26781998

What if rapid spin or defog were to blow the rocks back to the opponent for direct damage in addition to getting rid of them from the field? Maybe 80 power or so.

>>26790206

How about increased damage for every hazard removed?
+30BP for every hazard, up to 230 if 3x spikes, SR, 2x Toxic Spikes and Sticky Web.

>>26784029
Yeah it can float from 1cm-∞ from the ground

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>>26781870
>Invasive Ice
>Preposterous Poison
>Bothersome Bugs
>Eccentric Electricity

>>26781530
>past 3 gens' meta
No, it made showdown force you to have a hazards remover.

Oh boohoo you can't play the game the way you want to in an arena that you chose to go to.

Deal with it, or go play in a format that doesn't use them. The world doesn't revolve around you

I had to stop using Greninja.
You can have a Lati@s with Defog