>both UU what the fuck happened

>>26762754
Cancer gale wings happened

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Power creep.

>>26762754
Scary fairies and bravest bird happened

>>26762754
Bravest Bird

>mono type
>fighting nerfs
>no metagame niche

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>>26762754
>this is the best fighting type in OU
barafags on suicide watch

>caring about or following smogon

man it must suck not being able to think for yourself

>>26762754
Fairy, flying priority and powercreep.

Also reminder that Salamence, Hydreigon, Metagross and fucking Celebi are in UU.

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>Make any thread at all mentioning Smogon
>Shit like >>26762925 will be posted without a doubt
I miss pre-XY /vp/.

>>26762754
Machamp won't be UU for long, boy. Can't wait for it to spice up RU. Conk's been on the decline for a while, I don't think it ever should have been OU.

>>26762783
Please. Talonflame is nowhere near as centralizing as you think, otherwise there'd be no Grass, Bug, or Fighting mons in OU.

>>26762925
t. Underage fag quoting the furfag Verlis

>>26762925
See >>26763157

B T F O
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I think the important question here is whether they will be buffed for Gen 7 or will they simply make a new contender the same way Conkeldurr did for Machamp in Gen 5

>>26762754
It will change when Machamp gets No Guard Fissure in SM.

>>26763344
Not going to happen

Also OHKO moves live Fissure are banned in smogon, so yeah, Machamp is staying UU/Dropping to RU

>>26762925
>baaaaw y no one battle my jeeniyus landorus/gengar/megamom/volcanrona/bravest burd/dark void teem anymoar ;____;

>>26763357
>Not going to happen
Machamp can learn Fissure in RBY. You can transfer a Machamp from RBY to SM.

It's happening.

>>26762754
Hey, this means they're equal, I can use Machamp now without thinking about how I should really be using Conkeldurr.

>>26763378
I'm guessing all Machamps transfered to Pokemon Bank will get Guts as their ability. I really doubt game freak would be that retarded

>>26763398
No Ability Capsules from now on either?

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>>26763378
OHKO moves can't get accuracy buffs. Try skill swapping no guard on a smeargle with sheer cold. See what happens.

>>26763409
>Thinking GF doesn't remove items
Where are gems again?

Conkeldurr has never been OU worthy, not even in Gen 5. Took it long enough to drop.
Machamp is uncounterable, but slow speed and lack of Mach Punch or Drain Punch makes it very easy to wear down and check.

>>26762794
that card would seriously be shit

>>26763421
They boost Normal type moves.

So with bravest bird taking care of fighting types, will normal types be on the rise again?

>>26763443
Return of Snorlax?

>>26763427
No shit, fusions and rituals are completely outdated and useless since synchros and xy exist, now with pendulum is practically asking to be defeated.

>>26763443
No. See >>26763132.
Pokémon like Mega Lopunny, Breloom, Keldeo, and Venusaur are solidly OU, despite getting curbstomped by birb.

>>26763410
No guard actually works with OHKO moves. It doesn't boost accuracy, instead it makes all moves ignore the accuracy check.

>>26763410
>OHKO moves can't get accuracy buffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWjfjIkpA-I
Get fucked

>Both UU

So?

Smogon doesn't mean anything outside of that battle sim? Both are very good in battle spot singles, they can bait Talonflame, destroy Megakhan and can deal with a bunch of other threats.

Like, you sim guys do know how unviable smogon cookie cutter Pokemon are outside of smogon, right? The item clause and diffrent ban list makes two very different meta games.

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>>26763559
"Smogon cookie cutter Pokémon".
This is what the retards that shitpost about Smogon in EVERY FUCKING THREAD ABOUT IT actually believe.

>>26763559
BSS Player here and you're talking crap. I like BSS more but Talonflame is actually better in BSS since its fast KOs give a huge advantage to you in 3v3 and that BSS is plagued with most of Smogon's OU stuff. Most stuff that is missing is banned for being a Mythical/Box Legendary ie. Kyu-B, MDiancie and Keldeo

>>26762988
>Regular Salamence
Unlike Garchomp who still has EQ to threaten fairies, Salamence has no Flying STAB to use aside from fucking Fly, which is why Aerilate on Megamence helped a lot
>Hydreigon
Unova's favorite types getting cucked, like the entirety of the region and the mons
>Metagross and Celebi
They're psychic, what to expect? Also Steel defensive nerf on the former

>>26763559
>Both are very good in battle spot singles

Smogon has Battle Spot as a tier too and Conk gets a B+ in their viability ranking. That's still pretty good ("Pokemon with notable flaws, who need team support, but their positives outweigh the negatives"), but nothing top tier, you're much better off using other stuff. Machamp isn't even ranked.

Do some research before you talk about shit you don't understand faggot.

>>26763443
Unless they have OP abilities, Normals still have to worry about Steels and Ghosts

>>26763763
I can see why they are UU in this gen. I was pointing out that ORAS UU is a tier full of very powerful pokemon. All of thoose pokemon were either OU or Uber since their creation and now they are very prominent threats in the UU metagame.

>>26762895
>the other best fighting types in OU are a gym bunny, Dhalsim, and Dhalsim on shrooms
Gen VI OU is where gains go to die.

>>26763922
It's a gen dominated by fat pink blobs.

>>26763866
I dont normally play UU but didn't Sylveon coming down to UU change anything? Or not yet at least

>>26763922
>>26763949
Diabetus kills the Machamp and Conkeldurr

>>26763378
what happens if you transfer Missingno?

>>26763957
No, because Sylveon was never good in OU in the first place. Mach and Conk are outclassed by other fighting types and have a hard time fitting into the meta because their speed is so low.

>>26763463
not really just that this card has a really useless effect

>>26763983
Oh okay, But which other mons?

>>26764011
The musketeers, mainly.

>>26763132
While Talonflame might not be as centralizing as Mega Kangaskhan way back when, you can't ignore the fact that just Talonflame's presence in the meta is a major factor in keeping a lot of those Grass, Bug, and Fighting types out of OU. Just look at how often Talonflame is mentioned in the smogon analysis of UU and BL mons with OU sets.

>>26763620
>Doesn't prove him wrong

>>26764011
Lopunny, Keldeo, Breloom, even Terrakion is better. Pure fighting has not many useful resistances, so you can't switch them in easily either.

>>26763957
Sylveon did drop to UU and it's pretty good there. Specs still breaks everything with Pixilate-boosted Hyper Voice and bulkier sets are really useful to keep Hydreigon and Salamence from destroying your team.

Overall, I think UU is the most fun smogon tier right now.

>>26764139
Kek. Same anon. Having some real fun at UU. and what bulky set on Salamence/Hydreigon? I saw someone use Assault Vest on Hydreigon, but I dont know about that.

>>26763398

They'll likely all have their hidden abilities.

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>>26763996
Fixed

>>26763463
>Fusions and Rituals are completly outdated
What is Chaos Dragon Max?
What is Cyber Angel Vishnu?
What is First of the Dragons?

>>26762754
This isn't a real image though? The upcoming Death Battle is Mewtwo vs Shadow.

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>hadn't played competitively since ORAS first launched
>decide to get back in and do a couple battles about a month ago
>after a few wins, decide to see what tier all of my Pokemon are currently in, worried that my lead may have been bumped to Ubers or something
>all 6 of them are currently UU
>Galvantula
>Tentacruel
>Crobat
>Florges
>Doublade
>Mamoswine
>Fucking Mamoswine is now UU

Team was half OU half UU when I made it. I guess I'm a pure UU trainer now by Smogon's standards.

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What do you want out of a Mega Machamp?

What do you want out of a Mega Conkeldurr, and how do you ensure that it doesn't just completely overshadow Mega Machamp in every way?

>>26765123
Mega Machamp is more offensive.
Mega Conkeldurr is more defensive.

That should do it.

>>26764471
It needs to have 8500 in both stats to be "fixed."

>>26765123
This >>26765164 basically. Anything to separate their niche. They aren't too bad but they definitely need boosts in this meta.

>>26763559
So?

That means you can use them in both UU and OU. It's good for a Pokemon to be low tier.

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>he doesn't battle with his favorite pokemon

>>26764503
Garbage cards

>>26765491
Au contraire i actually do. I just never thought id see the day those two would be outclassed badly

>>26765491
I do, in NU

>>26765491
>Battle someone with my favourite mons
>They DC because one is apparently OU or something
EPIC

>>26765123
+20 relevant BST to differentiate their styles and I'm happy even if no mega

>>26762925

Poor guy. Upset :(

>>26762895
>barafags
nice meme

>>26764512
It's just made with a fan template.

This kind of shit has been around for years.

>>26763501

What you green texted is in fact true.

What he said about no guard is false.

>>26764512
Are you legit underaged?

>>26762754
>Burdspam
>Fairy cancer
>Sableye everywhere
>General power creep

This is what happens to pokemon that don't have a cheap as fuck gimmick nowadays.

>>26769339
Considering that NoGuard+DP used to be one of THE amazing gimmicks is really telling though

>>26765491
>tfw my fav mon is based

>>26764948
What does it matter, why do people act like you can't use UU pokemon in OU?

It helps with a decent amount of pokemon since a lot of people on Smogon don't bother to try out other tiers and don't know matchups